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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 04, 2003, 07:03:32 PM
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Anyone had any luck with Carrier brand? Just got my best bid yet, $2998 fully installed (Will condition 2600 sq. feet, the size of my house) Wife is getting her "wish" even though we'll only get to use it 2 months a year max :rolleyes:
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You mean the one snowfall a year we get? No snow this past winter. I live at 500 ft. I need to drive 1 hour to get to the snow:cool:
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I think he just mistated himself there...
What he meant was... what do you need central air for if you only turn it on for 3 days a year.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
I think he just mistated himself there...
What he meant was... what do you need central air for if you only turn it on for 3 days a year.
MiniD
If you think we only get 3 days a year of 80+ weather, keep thinking that, thank you. Stay home....
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Hey Rip , to hell with Carrier and other packaged systems. We don't do residential normally, but considering your OCD and lust for high quality gear, how would you like our firm to set you up with a nice central chilled water plant? With a carpeted mechanical room of course. We can also do a small steam plant (with cogeneration of course) and maybe thermal energy storage. When the russkies drop the big one you will be sitting pretty and selling heating cooling to the whole neighborhood. We can even give you a plant management system that you can access from your PC or wireless handheld. How about it?
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Carrier is fine Rip, but with your use it will prob. rust away before it wears out. We get about 10 to 12 years down here with them running 9 months a year. I mean really running like 10 to 14 hours a day some days. Trane is the best IMO and I build custom homes and have for the last 20 years, and I have tried them all. Carrier is up there, kind of the Ford 150 of AC units.;)
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Originally posted by Scootter
Carrier is fine Rip, but with your use it will prob. rust away before it wears out. We get about 10 to 12 years down here with them running 9 months a year. I mean really running like 10 to 14 hours a day some days. Trane is the best IMO and I build custom homes and have for the last 20 years, and I have tried them all. Carrier is up there, kind of the Ford 150 of AC units.;)
Scooter, can one buy a cover for it for the winter months?(Obviously when its not running) We get alot of rain in the winter...would that extend its life any long from a structural standpoint ?
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Central air a great investment Rip. Not only will you be thanking yourself on those hot days, it will add to the value of your home. Investing in the home never a bad idea, and I don't know about you, but I can't get a good night's sleep if it's too hot. Go for it!
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Rip, Carrier is the best... I have a old 20 year old GE unit that will not die lol!!! Plus, I own a Refrigeration Co.. so umm mine will run way past the normal life span.. @ $2900 is a fair price also..
We get lots of rain here plus the a/c runs almost 24/7 down here. Make sure they include a concreat padd for the unit. If you want raise that above normal rain water level. I would not be too concerned about coverning unless you really want to.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Central air a great investment Rip. Not only will you be thanking yourself on those hot days, it will add to the value of your home. Investing in the home never a bad idea, and I don't know about you, but I can't get a good night's sleep if it's too hot. Go for it!
Tell me about it..it was 81 deg. inside the house when I went to bed last night....I got about 5 hours of sleep last night and I'm kinda cranky today.:)
Nuchpatrick:The concrete pad is part of the price, the neighbor has the exact same set up from the same installer (where do you think the wife got the idea? :/ )
Thks for the input guys.
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no a/c?
do you have running water or electricity yet?
:)
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Originally posted by Eagler
no a/c?
do you have running water or electricity yet?
:)
Yes, the White River is behind my house, and we get occasional thunderstorms.
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My carrier unit is 8 years old now and no problem. They are a medium to high quality unit. Mine get's considerable use.
lazs
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Carrier is a good brand, Rip. That's what we have, and we only get to use it three months out of the year, too.
But man, those three months are hot and humid! I'd never get any sleep without my Carrier in the summer. :)
No need to cover it, either. Just keep the area around it clean.
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Originally posted by banana
Carrier is a good brand, Rip. That's what we have, and we only get to use it three months out of the year, too.
But man, those three months are hot and humid! I'd never get any sleep without my Carrier in the summer. :)
No need to cover it, either. Just keep the area around it clean.
banana, no doubt, Minnesota can justify, we have very little humidity out here, but....if I'm going to get to sleep by 8pm, I have to get it.
Thks for the input again guys, I think I'll go with this contractor.
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Dripsnores house is 2600 square feet, HELLO? Heed it, and you all in responce are punting fools.
Like he hadn't wrangled the bestest win/win deal ever, just for you to marvel at his mastery, like it was a actually a discussion in the first place.
All I ask is you don't carpet the slab for the Carrier unit Droopy. That would be TOO much.
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I live in south Texas where A/C runs 24/7..
Get an Oversized "Trane" bigger is always better..cools house down faster 7- 10 min and will run less all day that way. Dont go adequate...get bigger....more money up front..less monthly. It will pay itself off quickly. Take it from people who live in High Humidity and HEAT....
thats just my opinion...and my neighbors.
JUST AN OPINION PEOPLE!!!!!!
LOL:D
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I always wanted a/c during the summer when I lived in Everett. Had to go to the mall or movie to cold down. I'd say it would be worth it even for the 2-3 months at year. But i got by. but here in Texas, you gotta had a/c. I even had to get the car a/c fixed since I moved here. I never really needed it till now.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Dripsnores house is 2600 square feet, HELLO? Heed it, and you all in responce are punting fools.
Like he hadn't wrangled the bestest win/win deal ever, just for you to marvel at his mastery, like it was a actually a discussion in the first place.
All I ask is you don't carpet the slab for the Carrier unit Droopy. That would be TOO much.
Don't force me to post more pics Creamo, I'd hate to see you fall off that folding chair in your trailer :)
With all the tensions in the world today, we need our community to realize that we are an international community.
With that, an understanding must be reached, that the various people from around the world may not agree with any given position voiced in this forum.
We are sensitive to that and make every attempt to allow discussions to run their course. As with anything regarding politics or religion we expect heated debates, but there are boundaries and lately they have been crossed.
I do not care if you are never a customer of mine again, there are some things that are not debatable. Laughing at the death of any human being is not acceptable behavior. Anything that crosses over the line of basic decency will not be tolerated. If you have to ask what that means, then you should not be posting in this forum, at this time.
We purposely let behavior be much more slack in the O'Club than any other place on this board, but it is time to bring it up a level gentlemen.
Dale Addink
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Dude, you have a nice bimmer and no A/C in your home??
What's up with that? ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you think we only get 3 days a year of 80+ weather, keep thinking that, thank you. Stay home....
LOL! as if its every Oregonian's dream to move to the one area in the U.S. that's actually wetter (and coincidently colder).
MiniD
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Rip,
With skin as apparently as thin as yours, I don't see why you need A/C. ;)
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LOL! You quoted HT's post there, Rip. Christ, I can't even begin to give you sh*t about that...it's just too much. You are my hero, and I thank you for bringing much laughter into my life today...even if it was at your expense. :D
SOB
PS...Yes, you can get a cover for the A/C unit, tho' I don't know if it is necessary (but it would keep debris from falling/blowing inside)
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"Being a Commanding Officer of an online sim squadron is a little like navigating fjords strewn with icebergs, while the ship itself is self-propelled, you must do manual steering! I personally am a self propelled diptoejam."
Dripsnore 2003 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51913)
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Originally posted by Stringer
Rip,
With skin as apparently as thin as yours, I don't see why you need A/C. ;)
Nah, Creamo and I are buds from Beta days, Right creamo? When you moving to SE Asia Creamo?
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The most important thing to learn if you buy a superior brand air conditioning unit such as a Carrier is how to properly detail it.
Use a very mild soap for its wash and use a soft bristle toothbrush to clean in between the air intake vents. Pay special attention to the base of the unit as this is where dirt tends to pile up. For drying use a Chamois cloth- NEVER use a regular towel or you'll get lint from the towel inside the unit.
For waxing I hand apply Mothers' car wax, being careful to work the wax in a circular motion- NEVER straight back and forth. It's OK to use a machine buffer, but for the air intakes you'll have to wrap a cloth around the handle of your toothbrush to properly remove the wax.
For all the hoses and connectors I use STP's "Son Of A Gun" to maintain that like-new appearance. NEVER use Armor-All, as that will cause the hoses to eventually crack.
If you follow these instructions your air conditioning unit will maintain its resale value and be the envy of your neighbors- kinda like having the only working porch light during a power outtage. ;)
I have a matching bra on my air conditioner to guard against rocks, golf balls and bird droppings. Before I reapply the bra I vacuum the inside to prevent any dirt from scratching the finish of my air conditioner.
If any of you need help detailing your air conditioners bring them by my place and I'll put the products on for you, but you have to take them off.
Some day I'd like to start an air conditioning detail business as a side job. I enjoy the work, and the way people look at me and my air conditioner is extremely satisfying.
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LOL Airhead! Thks! :)
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Is this the same if the air conditioning unit has a clear coat?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Anyone had any luck with Carrier brand? Just got my best bid yet, $2998 fully installed (Will condition 2600 sq. feet, the size of my house) Wife is getting her "wish" even though we'll only get to use it 2 months a year max :rolleyes:
Hey Rip...what tonnage is the unit? 400 Sq. Ft. = 1 ton of HVAC...you should be buying a 7 ton unit.
College boys will disagree with this due to enhanced building materials and better more effective insulations now being used...what they for get about is when folks actually live in the house, btu's increase.
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Originally posted by Airhead
The most important thing to learn if you buy a superior brand air conditioning unit such as a Carrier is how to properly detail it.
Use a very mild soap for its wash and use a soft bristle toothbrush to clean in between the air intake vents. Pay special attention to the base of the unit as this is where dirt tends to pile up. For drying use a Chamois cloth- NEVER use a regular towel or you'll get lint from the towel inside the unit.
For waxing I hand apply Mothers' car wax, being careful to work the wax in a circular motion- NEVER straight back and forth. It's OK to use a machine buffer, but for the air intakes you'll have to wrap a cloth around the handle of your toothbrush to properly remove the wax.
For all the hoses and connectors I use STP's "Son Of A Gun" to maintain that like-new appearance. NEVER use Armor-All, as that will cause the hoses to eventually crack.
If you follow these instructions your air conditioning unit will maintain its resale value and be the envy of your neighbors- kinda like having the only working porch light during a power outtage. ;)
I have a matching bra on my air conditioner to guard against rocks, golf balls and bird droppings. Before I reapply the bra I vacuum the inside to prevent any dirt from scratching the finish of my air conditioner.
If any of you need help detailing your air conditioners bring them by my place and I'll put the products on for you, but you have to take them off.
Some day I'd like to start an air conditioning detail business as a side job. I enjoy the work, and the way people look at me and my air conditioner is extremely satisfying.
LOL! :D
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Originally posted by Rude
Hey Rip...what tonnage is the unit?
I have the info at home, Rude. Can't tell ya till I get there..
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That was good Airhead. :D
Rip, that is the cost for Central Air..installed?????!!!!!
I spent that on one unit for my bedroom.
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Read my post again rip...I edited:)
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Originally posted by Rude
Read my post again rip...I edited:)
Yeah, it was at least 7, 9 sticks out in my head for some reason...
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S.E.E.R is prob a 9, 12 is better as this is the energy rating and the larger the SEER the less energy is used. I would think in your location and with a 2600 sq. ft. house you would be fine with a 4 or 5 ton unit (12500 btu's per ton) as you dont want to super cool the air and leave the humidty in it. The air must circulate for the moisture to be removed, to large a unit will sure put out ice cold air, but it will not remove the humidty.
This can bring problems with mold and dampness. Don't listen to someone in another state who subscribes to urban legends about bigger is better, go with a good local company who has been in business for a while and has a good reputation.
I live in a 2800 sq. ft. home in Florida and I have a 4 ton and a 1.5 ton unit and I am always comfortable. I have been building homes for over 20 years and have heard it all about AC sizing.
my $.02
for what its worth Rip
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4 ton unit. Neighbor next door has a 3 ton unit on a 3400 sq. ft house where we spent this afternoon in cool 71 deg temperature since the outside temp at 4pm this afternoon was 93 deg. :eek:
(http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Ripsnort60/temp.jpg)
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MiniPeePee, Carrier does not use clear coat on their residential models.
http://www.hvacforums.com
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Hehe...damn, I see pictures of Rip's new central air unit in our future and a new banner in his garage toting Carrier's logo.
I must say tho', if there's one thing I love almost as much as Dr. Pepper, it's air conditioning. As my neighbors are all around me enduring the sweltering heat (it's in the 90s today), I'm in 12,000 BTUs of air conditioned bliss. That somehow makes it even sweeter. :cool:
SOB
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We had central air unit installed in about a 2000 sq. ft. house Ripsnort. You got a good deal. We paid about what you are paying, however we already had the concrete pad and ducting in place. The man said it would cost about $8000 more to have new ducting installed. Talking about $10k or so for a completely new install with new ductwork.
I have an Amana window unit in my artist pad, and it cools the entire house (900 sq. ft.) in about ten minutes. Two or three window units might do the job for you, and would cost around $1800 for three large Amana window units.
Of course, with central you get heat, and that is nice for the cold season.
Les
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Rip, I forgot to mention the 1.5 ton unit is for my garage/workshop.
No carpet as it is hard to clean up primers and small model parts. I keep my boat in the garage as both vehicles are company lease and we could give a $&!% about them. So I understand your garage thing, don't let them raz you about it.
B.T.W. ask if you can have a duct with a closeable vent added to the garage. Code may not allow it, but it would be nice to be able to cool the garage when you are working on the BMW would it not?
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Originally posted by funkedup
MiniPeePee, Carrier does not use clear coat on their residential models.
http://www.hvacforums.com
That's BS. I was detailing one just last week that had a rock chip and I could definately tell for sure that it had a clear coat. So... they all must have clearcoats. I don't care what anybody else says.
MiniD
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Only Classy Man can settle this clear coat debate!
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Originally posted by Mini D
That's BS. I was detailing one just last week that had a rock chip and I could definately tell for sure that it had a clear coat. So... they all must have clearcoats. I don't care what anybody else says.
MiniD
The only Carriers that have a clear coat are those painted in the factory 032 Red. All other Carriers come without clear coat, but a true Carrier affectianado will oftentimes have a clear coat sprayed on at a local auto paint shop. Obviously MiniD bought a used Carrier. :rolleyes:
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Am resurrecting this post subject because of a problem I'm having with Carrier brand central A/C.
Recently bought central air to insall in my mother's house. It is a system similar to the one Ripsnort is thinking about. We paid around $3,400, and also bought the service package, which is supposed to maintain the unit through regular inspections, and keep it in top condition to prevent problems.
About 3 weeks ago the unit stopped cooling, and when the service man came out he discovered the unit was frozen with ice, indicating a leak. He added more freon refrigerant, and the unit has been cooling so far.
Here is the problem:
It seems the coils must be replaced now, and this is not covered by the warranty. They want to charge $1,000 to replace the coils on a three year old unit.
We have been having regular service inspections, and in fact, had one of these inspections a week prior to the freezing up.
My question of any gentlemen among you who may offer some advice is, do I have any recourse in this matter? Is it possible the leak was there from the time of installation, or do leaks like this just happen, even in a relatively brand new unit?
My thinking was, the company would likely honor the warranty as a matter of good will, both for the sake of maintaining good customer service relations, and also to uphold the Carrier product's good reputation. Now I'm not so sure.
My 85 year old mother is quite upset. The summers here are brutal, and A/C is a necessity 9 months out of the year.
Ripsnort , if you have already purchased your Carrier central air, my advice to you is request a serviceman come out to your place and do a leak inspection on the coils, while the unit is still under warranty. I think my coils had a very slow leak from the day of installation.
I will be writing a letter similar to this one, on behalf of my mother, to the owner of the local company, and also to Carrier. Before I start calling Carrier a piece of junk, I would like some comments about what could have caused this problem, and whether it is normal for this to happen.
Thank you.
Les
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Don't disappoint me Rip, get a BMW AC!
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Check on there warranty via the website or another means. I am under the understading that the warranty is 5 years on the cabinet items and 10 on the compresser. The coil is part of the sealed system and my guess is it ts fine, get another written service order as somthing is wrong here. My guess is a bad fitting or a leak in the line and you are getting raped for another coil. Call the local area Carrier rep (numbers may be on web site) this is not right.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Ripsnort , if you have already purchased your Carrier central air, my advice to you is request a serviceman come out to your place and do a leak inspection on the coils, while the unit is still under warranty. I think my coils had a very slow leak from the day of installation.
Les
I stood there as they did this during installation. I will do so again before the warrranty expires, thks for that info.
The installer told me to never set the thermostat for lower than 70 deg because this *will* cause the coils to freeze up. We keep the thermostat at 74 deg. with the airconditioner on. This keeps the house comfortable when the temp exceeds 80 deg. and the upstairs gets about 76 deg. since we had the hot air purge fan moved from the floor of the upstairs hallway to the ceiling.
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Get a pool..You'll use it a lot more that A/C.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Get a pool..You'll use it a lot more that A/C.
Got one.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Ripsnort60/Deck/Pirates.JPG
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Rip an AC unit that has the proper air flow (no cloged filters ect.) should not ice up. Ice is caused from low airflow or low Freon. If the evaporatior coil (inside unit, air hander) gets too cold ice can form and this will slow the air flow down even more, then more ice will form. The air entering the unit must get very cold for this to happen in a normaly operating unit. If the freon is low then the heat is not removed to the condenser unit properly and this can ice up the coils. Think of a can of compressed air it gets hot when you pump up the can (compresser pumps up the freon) then return to room temp while under pressure (freon is cooled out side in the condenser) then it gets cold when you release the pressure (freon is returned to the house as a high pressure gas and then pressure is released and gas absorbes heat and returns to liquid taking heat with it back to the outside) Think of it as a heat pump moving the heat to the outside. Ice should not form unless the temp is low (40's) and you need a great deal of humidity (hard to get with such cold air) for this to happen. Your unit should NOT freeze up at 70's if everything is working properly.
The freon is a hot high pressure gas from the compressure then it goes to the condenser coils and the heat is removed (still a high pressure gas) then it is sent to the evaporator coils where it's pressure is released and it gets cold and turned back into a liquid as it absorbes the heat and returns to the comp.
rinse and repeat
I am amazed at the myths and voodoo surrounding AC units, it is a very simple process really.
Regards,
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Carrier and Trane are both fine
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Originally posted by Scootter
Your unit should NOT freeze up at 70's if everything is working properly.
Regards,
I didn't say it would freeze up at 70, what I said was below 70, and I might add he said on extremely hot days, keep it at 70 or above. You tell me (shrugs) me know nothing about A/C, and this guy that installed it has done it for 27 years (shrugs)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I stood there as they did this during installation. I will do so again before the warrranty expires, thks for that info.
The installer told me to never set the thermostat for lower than 70 deg because this *will* cause the coils to freeze up.
Sorry I thought he said It *will* freeze up by your statement.
It would need to get in the 40's for it to do so. I only responded as some folks turn the units down for a party and this should be no problem. I have set my unit at 65 with a house full (unit runs nonstop) with nary a problem, course the temp never gets below 74 or so with all the people and the doors opening all the time.