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Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: tatertot on June 04, 2003, 09:28:15 PM
seen 999000 and trash do it numurous time anyone else land a 17 or lancs on one .  and how high actualy is the flat tops alt above sea level?
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: DrDea on June 04, 2003, 09:39:02 PM
I landed a lance on a CV.Damaged an all.Its actually not that hard.Taking off again....thats a diffrent story  ;)
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: rod367th on June 04, 2003, 10:50:45 PM
Landed 234 on carrier :)
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: udet on June 04, 2003, 11:13:11 PM
try a F4U1C loaded with fuel, 2 500lb bombs and rockets.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: DrDea on June 04, 2003, 11:54:58 PM
Yea takin off with a Hog fully loaded with anymore than 50% fuel is a waste of time.Even 50% can be a handfull.The F6F now does nice.Fully loaded and 75% fuel is no prob
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: mjolnir on June 05, 2003, 02:00:21 AM
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Originally posted by rod367th
Landed 234 on carrier :)


Not only landed one, but had to make a go-around in one before landing it.  Those things don't do so well once you finally slow them down.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: Sixpence on June 05, 2003, 03:25:54 AM
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Originally posted by DrDea
Yea takin off with a Hog fully loaded with anymore than 50% fuel is a waste of time.Even 50% can be a handfull.The F6F now does nice.Fully loaded and 75% fuel is no prob


You can take off in a hog 100% fuel, 1k bombs and rockets, here's how. Start your enging, slowly increase your throttle til you start rollling backwards. Back up to the end of the deck, then increase the throttle or hit brakes to stop(or you will roll off the back of the deck). The full throttle and wep at 3rd flap setting. About half way down the the deck, hit your 4th and 5th flap setting. As soon as you clear the deck, raise your gear.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: mia389 on June 05, 2003, 03:29:44 AM
Ive landed 17s on carrier. wasnt too hard just rode the stall limit and landed before the tower to avoid losing a wing. Guys having probs with the F4U you can just full throttle and wep then when you pass the tower throw full flaps down you will make it up. If apply flaps to early makes it harder.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: Swoop on June 05, 2003, 03:33:24 AM
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Originally posted by udet
try a F4U1C loaded with fuel, 2 500lb bombs and rockets.


huh?  you're kidding, I can land a hog on a CV from the wrong direction.......

take off is dead easy.


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Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: rod367th on June 05, 2003, 03:48:14 AM
wow i'm surprised on how many don't know about backing up on carrier still. Read newbie tips on BBS. It gives exact rpms for backing up f4u's and f6fs
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: Ghosth on June 05, 2003, 07:30:40 AM
2200 for F4u & 2100 for f6f.

Although F6f will do it from spawn point with full load & full fuel.

Hawgs can do it but its tougher with over 50% fuel, doable, but tougher.

Key on the F4u is that you MUST get gear up the second they roll off the end.

You'll belly out some, small moves, keep it flat & it will come up out of it.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: udet on June 05, 2003, 04:41:08 PM
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Originally posted by Swoop
huh?  you're kidding, I can land a hog on a CV from the wrong direction.......

take off is dead easy.




didn't say I can't do it, however, when landing I usually groundloop, but with no damage to the plane.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: Reschke on June 06, 2003, 02:11:50 PM
The F4U-1 in the game seems to leap off the CV when rolling from spawn point while the -1D wallows and flops when rolling from the spawn point and the -1C is a 50/50 shot at getting airborne from the spawn point. There is not that much difference in the Hellcat and the different variant Corsairs weights for the flight characteristics to be so different on take off. I may be very wrong in my assumption but at least that is what I see. Here are the engines and weights for two variants of Corsair and the basic F6F.

F4U-1A
Powerplant:
Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-8
Type: Radial piston engine
Model: One      Horsepower: 2,000 hp

Dimensions:
Wing Span: 12.5m (41 ft. 0 in.)
Length: 10.16m (33 ft. 4 in.)
Height: 4.9m (16 ft. 1 in.)
Wing Area: 29.17 mē (314 sq ft.)

Weights:
Empty: 4074 kg (8,982 lb)
Maximum Take-Off: 6350 kg (14,000 lb)

F4U-1D specifications
Weight: empty: 4100 kg / 9040 lbs; with full load: 6400 kg / 14100 lbs

Engine: Pratt&Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp, 18 cylinders
Power: 2200 hp

Armament: 6x 12.7 mm (.50cal) machine guns in the wings

Performance: Max speed: 635 km/h / 395 mph / 343 knots
Ceiling: 11280 m / 37000 ft

Weights
Empty Weight: 8,695-lbs
Gross Weight: 12,039-lbs
Maximum T/O Weight: 13,120-lbs
Powerplants
No. Engines: One
Engine Manufacturer: Pratt & Whitney
Engine Designation: R-2800-8W Double Wasp, 18-cylinder radial air-cooled, two-stage two-speed supercharged engine with water injection system for emergency power.
Engine Power: 2,000-hp for take-off
1,975-hp at 16,900 feet
2,230-hp with water injection at sea level
Propeller: Hamilton Standard three-bladed hydromatic variable pitch constant speed propeller
Propeller Diameter: 13 feet 4 inches
Internal Fuel Capacity: 237 US-gal
Auxiliary Fuel Tanks: Two 100-171 US-gal
Oil: 20-20.45 US-gal

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F6F Plane Stats:

Powerplant:
Early Production:
Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10 Double Wasp
Type: 18-cylinder dual-row radial engine
Horsepower: 2,000 hp

From January 1944 (Final F6F-3 batch):
Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10W Double Wasp
Type: 18-cylinder dual-row radial engine
With Water Injection
Horsepower: 2,200 hp

Dimensions:
Wing Span: 13.05m (42 ft. 10 in.)
Length: 10.2m (33 ft. 7 in.)
Height: 3.99m (13 ft. 1 in.)
Wing Area: N/A

Weights:
Empty (F6F-3): 4101 kg (9,042 lb)
Loaded: 5528 kg (12,186 lb)
Clean: 6000 kg (13,228 lb)
Maximum (F6F-5N): 6443 kg (14,250 lb)
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: streetstang on June 06, 2003, 05:30:35 PM
I dont know about the rest of you guys, but its easier for me to land a B17 on the CV than a darn Sea Fire. I dont know what it is with that thing but every time I go to land, I either bust a gear and just get lucky with the hook keeping me on the deck or I just over shoot the ropes and need to make pass after pass before I eventually do touch down and bust the gear or blow up... LOL   Landed everything from La7s to 38s to 17s, but put me in a sea fire and splat!!!
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Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: DrDea on June 06, 2003, 10:40:04 PM
Dont try to land em.Fly it like theres no tomorrow :eek:
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: rod367th on June 07, 2003, 02:33:50 PM
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Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: udet on June 07, 2003, 02:39:25 PM
landed a Boston today. easier than a Corsair, even than a Seafire
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: ccvi on June 07, 2003, 06:47:17 PM
Empty bombers handle very good at low speeds.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: Drunky on June 07, 2003, 06:57:32 PM
landing most bombers on the cvs are easy with full flaps and outside views

arado's are a bit tuff along with 262's but hey, what's life without callenges.
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: udet on June 08, 2003, 09:44:06 PM
hahaha I didn't know there is a separate key to release the tailhook...that's why it would never catch on the wires :)
Title: landing bombers on cv
Post by: Kweassa on June 08, 2003, 11:14:13 PM
Just engage full flaps from the beginning of take off.

 It takes a bit of effort to control that heavy hog after leaving the deck, but as long as that friggin' torque doesn't knock you around in your yaw axis, if it's stable, then you'll be able to do it.

 2K bombs+rockets+100% fuel CV take-off without using 'special methods', is possible with all three Corsairs.

 I think about one out of every ten or twenty take-offs I ditch a single Corsair.. a slip of concentration and the yaw axis goes crazy... *splash!*