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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Swager on December 08, 2000, 10:24:00 PM
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Tonite was only the 2nd time since I started flying AH that I logged off in disgust.
I try to keep a good attitude regardless of the circumstances, but I flew for about 10 minutes and logged. Almost impossible flying for Knights tonite! NO fun at all! Maybe tomorrow! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I believe Im at the burn out stage. I thought it would never happen to me. I guess ya never know. I'll have patience, for things should get better!
Keeping my chin up! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I'm almost afraid to ask, what happened?
(You see I have to ask, since this computer won't allow me to fly AH for more than a couple minutes before it goes insane.)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Cheer up Swagger. I've been on a week long hiatus, and I think I'm feelin a bit better about goin back to the MA.
*twitch*
Really.
*twitch*
Mebbe, on second thought I'll try again next week...
Hang
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I'm thinkin next tour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I don't mind coming into the arena but I'm starting to hate flying.
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I miss being able to log in and find a furball within 5-10 minutes flying time, and being able to dive in and fight a bit before dying. Lately it seems like I take off, spend 10-15 minutes finding a fight, and even though due to the field distances I'm at 20k by the time I find any enemies, the fight is a bunch of c-hogs and nik1's on the deck and more c-hogs up at 30k.
Whichever group I go after, and whether I'm alone or in a group of squealing Pigs, if I don't play the time/alt game or gangbang the one poor sucker who isn't flying a late war ubercannon plane, I end up dying from one or two pings from some 400+ kt chog or whatever exceedingly brave soul decided to risk diving 10k for a chance to HO me.
I have completely given up on field capture because I am unable to figure out how to beat the ostwind. I got pinged at d1.8 (my FE range, not his) by a flakpanzer while flying 90 degrees away from it, and my P-47 was instantly shredded. I tried to strafe down one of the small type acks at a field (it was the only one up), and even though I opened fire while still far far outside range (I started firing before the ack did), the ack managed to put it's first and only dozen rounds straight through my forehead.
I ignore the ground war entirely, but can't seem to find many decent furballs to fight in. The most fun I've had in AH since the con was a furball between ummm 14 and 15 if I recall correctly, two of the closest fields in the arena. At it's height, there were 15 of each side mixing it up in pure A/A combat, from the deck up to maybe 15k. Fun fun fun! Killed a little, died a little, and spent 2 hours replaning as quick as I could and wepping back to the furball. Drag and bag tactics suddenly worked again. A D-Hog could beat a spit because the spit had a dozen other planes grabbing it's attention. I haven't done that since I flew WB. Sadly, I logged on tonight and the closest thing I could find was taking a P-47 up to 35k and schwacking bombers then running from the occasional P-51 that had climbed to 40k. something like 3 hours and 8 sorties, 9 kills. That's pathetic.
Anyone else remember the last symmetrical WB terrain? The one that drew around 400 players a night into two arenas? It was the last one before the 3D version, and it had 4 close fields right in the center. I really really miss that terrain. Even a spit couldn't climb much over 15k between two of those fields, and the furballs were epic. I'd spend hours furballing in there, and apparently lots of other people enjoyed it too 'cause I never ran out of people to shoot at even though there were 4 countries.
The good old days are gone, and they probably weren't as good as I remember them. I AM sure however that I couldn't climb to 25k between fields, and the battles were much more continuous and easy to find. I don't know what the solution is, but I'm not quitting either.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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i am having lots of fun in h2h
i only miss flying against some of my nemesi from the MA, but to me the style of fighting in h2h is more my style, down and dirty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i guess im a gamer at heart (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i like extremes: flying to live in scenarios, flying to take scalps in h2h, but the psuedo mix of a MA just isnt my style (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
give h2h a try its fun fun fun
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I like the biggest MA, I hate the low furball gang bang stuff, thus Beta doen't suits me well.
Maybe HTC should create an ACA-fighter town arena for you guys furballers.
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LOL,,,thats realy all i have to say. MA got on my nerves, Like you all but the game got realy agervateing. Im with Zigrat on this one. Hay Zig is there any way i can get with you for some H2H. I havent been flying much. The only thing i have been able to play for free is Team Fortress witch is not half bad for Qauke typ stuff. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I would love to get on with the Falcon 4 but no High baud stuff around here just 56k (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I guess it's the stagnation.I remember when we started to gripe if we didn't get a least one new patch per week. Then a month. Then two. Now three. The proportion of discontent has a positive, linear corelation to the amount of time between versions (and thus length of the AH code)
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- Jig
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Knights seem to be in a decline. Seems like it's almost all newbies. Very little teamwork.
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I wish I had the choice since my joystick is Spike Lee now guess I'll just be play'n with my other joystick. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I go away (semi anyhow) for just a few weeks and what happens to Knightlandia?
I must be very important.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 12-09-2000).]
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My squad just rotated to the knights from the rooks (I've never flown with any other side), and I've got to say I'm surprised at the difference. I always thought the loyalty to each side was silly since all the sides are the same, but I'm starting to think there really is a difference.
Team-work does seem to be lacking (although the other night, I was flying a C47 and had some excellent cover (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). But maybe it's because I'm new to this side and all the people I know are rooks.
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Koba
XO
No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death" (http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/)
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[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 12-09-2000).]
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people are quitting in droves , for the same reasons the hundreds of complaint threads on this bbs are there. htc is makin a game for themselves i guess.
its funny i havent seen a single word on the squad chan for the wrecking crew in the last month. used to be 10 or 12 of us constantly.
my last day is the 14th will be sorry to see it go but it is just no fun anymore.
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Do you think HTC is reading these posts?
if it was my company id change the beta map asap!
I'm not enjoying AH since change to beta map and i often sit in the tower with no options other than defend a base or try to sneak out (long!!!! flight).
HTC please put MED arena map in MA just for a week or even a day to see if it helps pleeeeeeeeeease.Or how about some of the other maps people have made?
hazed
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I subscribed again today.
5min ago I deleted it again.
Not worth of 30$/month IMHO.
Cya again in 1.05.
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AH is becoming less and less fun, I agree... you either spend 20 mins flying 50 miles to an enemy field and get killed by ostwind/chog dweeb/uber ack or spend an hour climbing to 30k only to achieve the same result as above.
Can't wait till I get in WWIIOL closed beta, then I'll have plenty to do. As an interesting note there are about 600 people in the closed beta right now, which is probably the same number that play AH in total.
IMHO HTC should lower the price, $30 a month is alot, especially with the increasing competition.
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Just a suggestion.
Before ver 1.04 came along. I don't remember a lot of "getting bored with it" post,s. The FM was enough to hold your interest by itself. Just keeping the plane in the air had a learning curve.
Maybe an arena with the old FM might respark the interest of some of those growing jaded to quickly.
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no the old flight model was incorrect easymo
the new one is much closer to being accurate from what i can tell
the thing that people dont like is the GAMEPLAY that is the ma, I like the flight model, view system ,etcera
its the insta respawn blah blah. why pay 30$ a month for that when you can have it in h2h??
my only sad part about unsubscribing from aces high is missing scenarios, but 4 hours a month isnt worth 30 dollars.
even scerios leave me kinda feeling funny tho. They are just to hard to organize with human nature unless you have a core group of pilots. example we get real historical squads with accurate numbers of uintelligent people who arent walking on or dont know how to start the engine..
btw sox i sent u an email (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I'm enjoying AH just as much as ever. I like the switch to the beta map, and the added action it brings into play. Ostwinds a problem? They're a problem if you let them get to your field...bring up a tank and they're dead meat. I agree jaboing the bastards can be hard, but it's not impossible.
SOB
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I've been debating closing my account, I haven't logged in for about a month, tho I still maintain an active account.
The main reason being;
A co-worker and friend of mine, that I got to try the 2 week AH preview (which BTW got him hooked on the game) was sent an email by HTC to start an account at........You guessed it, $9.95 a month.
So as you can imagine my friend kinda gloats that I'm paying 3 times as much a month as he does.
This really kinda got under my skin as I've been with AH since beta and paying $29.95 a month, and felt that was fair as long as that was the going rate and everyone was paying it.
But I feel a bit stupid paying three times more than my friend, for exactly the same game.
So I went AWOL from my squad and AH, at least til v1.05 comes out, and I've had a chance to look at it.
I am at present waiting to see WB 3.0 (if/when) it comes out and I may switch back as it is $5.00 cheaper a month, but ALL the paying customers are charged that. (Yeah I know about the comp'd accounts)
I'm at a crossroads with AH right now, and dunno which way to go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Not to dwell on this zig (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). But there are 2 "most realistic FM " sims out now. Soon to be a couple more. I have a strong hunch all of them will have a different FM. All of them will be made up. And it will come back to feel, like it or not.
Frankly, I don't care about realism anymore. This FM is boring
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That sucks...especially when it's a co-worker &/or friend. All I can say is, if it's worth $30 to ya, regardless of what your friend is paying, come back and enjoy yourself...I'll even let ya shoot me down once or twice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Would definitely suck if you left for good!
SOB
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Frankly, I don't care about realism anymore. This FM is boring
I have a copy of CFS2 for sale. The graphics are kinda neat...kinda. If realism isn't yer bag, and thank God you don't care, a $40 one time fee should just blow your mind.
The "Creamo Hope for the Future GeForce Video Card Foundation" will dig your support.
Thanks in advance-
[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 12-10-2000).]
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Hehe, thought I had logged onto AGW for a second. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I think this sort of dishenchantment happens after the honeymoon period of any sim wears off. Eagl, I agree. I think the penultimate time for online flight simmers was WB 1.11r2. While the graphics weren't the best, the gameplay was fantastic, night after night.
What's really happening here is the normal evolution of an online flight sim. Rabid, almost worshipful praise for a new sim, followed by a long honeymoon period, as the developers crank out smaller updates in a short amount of time.
Then comes the ambitious release(1.05), which takes a much longer time that anticipated. As the honeymoon period wears off, and the masses await the next uberrelease(tm), some disenchantment sinks in.
All I know is that if v1.05 is anywhere near as good as HiTech's/Pyro's 1.11 release of Warbirds, it'll be worth the wait.
Keeping the faith,
banana
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In the absence of new stuff it falls on us to either piss & moan {I have done my share of that} about it or use what the sim provides to change what irritates us.
We do not have to wait for HTC or anyone else to hand lead us into scenarios or special events.
We have an historical arena that is opened for use 24/7 and few use it.
We do not need a complicated set of rules either.
This is how I am escaping the boredom of THE PLAYPEN main arena.
1.Log into THE PLAYPEN.
2.Announce "Axis Beware."
3.Log into The Med Sp Events Arena
4.Turn icons off.
5.Grab a B17, wait 5 minutes, take off and go bomb something Axis.
Honor requests.
1.No icons
2.Fly theater specific planes
(no blue, no lancasters and no Japanese)
It is up to us to make AH what we want within the limited terrains and planeset.
We can love the main and fly it or we can hate the main, fly it and squeak or we can fly the MED and hope anyone else of like mind will do the same.
See you in the MED.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Hehe Here let me help ya out folks,
The car gets a new coat of paint(updates)
oooo! shiney glossy, neat after a while of lovingly rubbing wax onto it, ya start ta notice and pay attention ta the dents(The MA), now a new coat of paint will still give ya the ooo! feeling, but it don't last as long, 'cuz while ya ogle it, ya look for the dents.
(And Creamo, when ya speak do ya first have ta drop yer pants? no matter, I know ya just like ta try ta stand out, so what dents you tryin ta hide my man?) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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No need to drop my pants, I post and fly naked.
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I am at present waiting to see WB 3.0 (if/when) it comes out and I may switch back as it is $5.00 cheaper a month, but ALL the paying customers are charged that. (Yeah I know about the comp'd accounts)
I seem to remember iEN went well out of their way to inform the WB community that the $24.95/month applied to WB2 and in no way represents the monthly cost of WB3. Don't get too excited until they actually tell you how much its going to cost.
AKDejaVu
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Just wanted to clarify my post...
Don't get me wrong, I really like the basic AH technology. Sure, some of the flight model characteristics aren't perfect, but they're closer than anything else I've played. My previous message was a reaction to me realizing that for every hour I spend online, less than 15 minutes of that is being spent doing actual fighting. While that would be unacceptable in past WB 'cause that's charged per hour, sometimes it's just flat out snooze boring in AH.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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Radar Eagl... THATS why the MA has it. You can be in a fight just as quick as you like... if yah don't mind having to work real hard fer yer kills. Of course; you CAN do the Alt monkey bit; up from a field not being attacked and arrive at the furball nice and high.... (my preferred routine)
You can fly the sim any way yah like.. and I frankly don't mind flying it either way.. Quake-birds style, upping close to if not IN the fight; or comming at it with the advantage of speed and altitude for the price of a longer flight. Choices are yours.. it's not a AH problem. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Hang,
The problem with using the radar (assuming it hasn't been bombed out of service) is that even taking off from the airfield nearest the battle, it takes forever to get to the fight and even if I do a max climb the whole way and arrive at 20,000+ ft some 15 minutes after takeoff (which is possible between most fields), when I get there I find a dozen c-hawgs at 30k or so. The only way to survive there is to fly away and climb up to 30k along with everyone else, then do high alt jousting until succumbing to the inevitable HO.
Put a few fields closer together, and the endless need to climb to the stratosphere disappears. A straight-line climb in a spit with an arrival of at most 15k alt worked wonderfully well way back in the age of 2D WarBirds. Those who wanted alt and didn't want to roll from a capped field took off from a "rear" field (which was about as far away from the fight as current "next door" fields) or took off from the front line field, and grabbed alt away from the fight before coming back. Those who just wanted to furball of course just took off and flew direct, and within a few minutes found themselves immersed in a swirling furball. The "come-back-again" factor was very high due to the short transit time, and there was always someone to fly with and someone to fly against near these furball fields.
Those wishing to play the strat game just worked around the furball area, either overflying the furball or routing around it.
For a rather weak "proof" that I'm right, just look at the arena numbers. I remember when it was common to have an arena maxed out at well over 200 players, and a second arena with 100 or more players in it. Bumping up against the 32 plane limit, while annoying at times, seems a more desirable side effect than flying 15 minutes or more looking for just a few planes to fight.
I'm not slamming HTC, just commenting on what seemed to be the most fun part about brand W. I think lots of others found furballing fun too. With under 200 in the current big AH arena, I have only seen a 20+ plane furball 2 or 3 times ever, and I have NEVER seen a big 3-way fight. That's kinda sad. Some of my best WB memories involved taking a 4-ship of squealing pigs into a furball that looked like a shook-up bag of skittles. All 4 colors involved in a fight with 40 or more planes makes for a VERY complex situation (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) More fun IMHO than the current long drone times and tiny furballs we get today.
My opinion of course. Ever since that furball-friendly arena, the trend has consistently been away from arenas that foster furballing. As far as I recall, every single arena from then on had fields placed farther and farther away from each other. This is a arena design priority that I do not understand (is it based on host/bandwitdh/technology problems? Forcing gameplay in a certain direction?) and as a player I don't really like the trend.
I don't expect HTC to stop this trend either, and again I'm back to "I sure miss the big WB furballs"
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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Yep.. tends to be a matter of perspective.
Last night the knits gobbled up terrain all the way to a18 before the bish finally rallied for a showdown south of A17 in the triangle of death.. between the Vfield; the HQ and the factories. Intense furball.. about 2-3 min flying time for the rooks from 18 or the bish from 17.
There were alt fights; 10k fights and fights in the dirt fer 4 hours... one long continuous good old fashined WB furball. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It's tuff sometimes; we all go in cycles. The game can sometimes underwhelm you and a few days later you get re-energized and soon enuff; yer overwhelmed again.
When I get in a rut; I usually come in here to the BBS and blow off some steam, take a few days off the MA and come back to the sim after a rest (*twitch*) flying a little better.. or more likely; with a better attitude. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Have a look at Nuttz' PAC terrain... and take a sixpack with yah when yah go on the world tour. That alone ought recharge yer batteries.
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Hang