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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: brady on June 06, 2003, 10:45:02 PM
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How about it?, Will we ever see...
The Gloster Gladator?
(http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/j8_4.jpg)
The Gloster Gauntlet?
(http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/gauntlet_2.jpg)
MC 200?
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/MC200-004.jpg)
CR 42?
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/CR42-007.jpg)
Ro 42?
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/Ro43-001.jpg)
I-16?
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/VVS1/I-16-1.jpg)
To name just a few:)
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Quick! Delete this thread before cajun turns up! :)
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Ok ...
Now I love Brady.
I'm hunching on your leg, Brady. You got me all excited like.
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What about the Fiery Swordfish?
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'What about the Fiery Swordfish'
Is that a new RIP from EFI or did you mean Fairy Swordfish
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id sure like to see the possibility to open the cockpit for better visibility
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Ya thats a neat feature in WW2 Online, but i dont think the Glass in AH is tinted like it is in WW2 online:), it would still be cool to be able to open it though.
I gues technicaly we already have some open cockpit's, the Gunners in the Kate, Val, SBD, Me 110C-4 for instance are open, it would be nice to see some of the above planes though.:)
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Gloster Gladiator
Probably not. Excelent manouverability but with only 4 .303's it would be at best an ASSIST KING, like the 202. Might give the A6M2 a run for its money. :)
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See gloster Gladiator above, but replace the 303's with 2, 12.7mm Breda. can you say Queen of the ASSISTS, I thought you could. ;)
Sm 79
This just might make it in. Nice warload but piddly defence. Hell the Ju-88 A4 is in so why not.
I-16
Need more info on this one to make a desision, namely guns. Nice manouverability tho.
Fairy Swordfish
[sarcasim]Yes, we need something slower than a Kate with the same defensive armament. [/sarcasim]
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Most of these are not realy MA types, though some would fly them their for the fun of it, they would have a big place in the CT I can think of a number of great set up's that could include the above planes.
It would look somthing like this(pic stolen from the other thread:) ):
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/cr32.jpg)
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The A5M is another good one:
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/46662/0.jpg)
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I'm all for it! I have also requested many times about the possibilities of open cockpits in the past :D !!
Now, Rowan's BoB was heaven in one aspect, and hell in the other(ooh.. key settings... oooh....).. but in the 'heaven' side, they had a lot of interesting details within the game - opening cockpits and leaning out for visibility was one of them :) !
Currently the "O" key is not used in the fighters - I think besides that HTC would feel it 'tedious' :D - there's virtually no reason as to why the feature shouldn't be used... it'd be really great in taxiing, or carrier landings, too!
ps) of course, I don't think they should allow open cockpit flying at 25k...
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Another Favorate of mine the Hs 123:
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/46847/0.jpg)
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Bring em on!
Just model my Float planes/ flying boats first. :)
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Like the F1M:)
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/47044/0.jpg)
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Yep :)
Plus I really think the Japanese plane set could not be complete without a long range bomb/depthcharge hauling Mavis.
Many were built, they were heavily armed, flew huge distances,.
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Originally posted by brady
How about it?, Will we ever see...
The Gloster Gladator?
We need all those planes, for sure for sure.
I reckon if they get the new engine down pat, we might see a dozen or so new aircraft in the next three years. Why not a Bipe?
Sakai
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i hate sound of wind in open cockpit, and never like to fly i16 i153:D
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It would look somthing like this(pic stolen from the other thread ):
Hey Brady! You stolen my pic!!! :D
I support you with all my hearth!
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The Only thing cooler than a Mavis would be an Emily.:)
That I-16 would rock Ramzey, even if it were in your sight's:)
Sry LUPO, it was a good pic:)
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Brady i love u !!!! :D :cool: :)
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yes brady , i16 is nice turnfighter
good firepower and not so fragile as zeke is
I love to hang them on rope in my mc202 or 109e, but when i sit in cockpit and hear this wind in my hairs;)
i become sick;)
ramzey
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Guy's:)
This is another Favorate of mine the Hs 126:
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/47213/0.jpg)
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good firepower and not so fragile as zeke is
Heehee, didja know that the I-16s were armoured with five inches of titanium, and an invisible pilot shield?
It's true! Just try IL-2 or IL2:FB! :D
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yea i know this from other free sim;)
u should see how il2m3 can turn and spray;)
but both games i16 was modeled by russians:D :D :D
ramzey
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I-16 thread of mine from Aircraft and Vehical's:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49969&highlight=New+russian+fighter
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A lesser know type the He 114:
(http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/He114-1.jpg)
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I-153:
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/VVS1/I153-3.jpg)
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If you bring in the Claud, you must bring in the CURTISS HAWK III !!!!!!!!
Just in case you can not read it. The writing says;
"China recceived a total of 102 Hawk IIIs, which saw combat against the Japanese during the early part of the Second World War. They were wuthdrawn from combat and used as trainers after more modern aircraft were received from the U.S."
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/HawkIII.jpg)
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Originally posted by brady
Like the F1M:)
The Catalina would be nice too and it did play a major part in the Pacific in the anti-shipping and ASW role. In the MA you can have the float planes take off from the ports.
Ack-Ack
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Right on Hawk, I dident think of it, nice one would fun in an early war set up:)
Ack-Ack, ya but this is the Open Cockpit and or BiPlane thread:)
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Fiat G.50 :)
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-OlliSarantolaEnglish.html#fiiu
(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/fiat/fiat_g50_355sq_24gruppoautonomo_ct.jpg)
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Great Pic.:)
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P-26 :D
(http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p26p.jpg)
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Cajun posted only once in this thread?
That P-26 looks like a hunk of metal..
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hear is a pic of a Nate aka Ki 27, this plane had a canopy but was often flow without it in place so it's kinda approparate for this thread, and since were talking about China right now it would be a good fit for the time frame and Give the Hawk a run fer it's money:)
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/48371/0.jpg)
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I think the Claud had a max speed of 280mph and the Hawk III had a max speed of 225mph. I need to pull my books back out. Also, the Curtiss Hawk IIs were also used in combat but mostly around 1936. Mixed matched Hawks flew into 1944 but only a very few.
The US Navy stoped using them due to a severe vibration in the metal wings...the Export Hawks had wood wings.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I think the Claud had a max speed of 280mph and the Hawk III had a max speed of 225mph. I need to pull my books back out. Also, the Curtiss Hawk IIs were also used in combat but mostly around 1936. Mixed matched Hawks flew into 1944 but only a very few.
The US Navy stoped using them due to a severe vibration in the metal wings...the Export Hawks had wood wings.
Claude was just under 300 mph in performance, the Curtiss P-36 Hawk monoplane just a tad over same so it would be a decent matchup, but the Ki-27 ate the I-153 up (while generally considered inferior to the I-16 Rata/Mosca).
The Hawk III bipes would likely suffer the fate of the I-153s. Anyone have any writeups Claudes vs Hawk IIIs???
Sakai
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i gotta ask why are we the only ones who get excited by these aircraft?
:D
When you think about these aircraft here pictured and described theres several things that makes them desirable;
1) they have rarely if ever been modelled in any online sim or boxed sim for that matter and this means we would have a whole new era of aircraft to match against one another the (1930's types generally but used throughout WW2). we dont know which is the TnB'er or BnZ'er, which would be slowest or fastest.It would be like AH was for me in the early days, an almost total unknown.
2)their armament is so light that fights between them would last a lot longer than the cannon armed aircraft we have now.With these guns you could be caaught cold in a full burst and STILL be able to react and evade before they hit you enough.Furballs would be a dream in these!
3) They just LOOK so good! :D
I really hope HTC consider adding just a few of these open cockpit monoplanes or biplane types.
ya never know we might get real lucky!
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The Claud should eat up the Hawk III but I still want it...hehehehe Shes a Buet! I would just enjoy flying it off line. On line, more than likely, I will fly the Claud :cool:
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Sakai, I have a few misc write ups. Nothing special but I will dig them out. I wish HTC would model the Curtiss P-6E Hawk but it never saw action...actually it never saw much more than a few airshows. Top speed was only 199mph. For those interested, check out my website at http://www.curtisshawkp6e.com 80% scale P6E HAwk as well as the GosHawk (Navy version) with a 300hp Jacobs engine.
Ernist Udet (German) had two F11C-2 Hawk IIs (Navy Goshawk) that he used (to make a long story short) for dive bombing experiments. He loved it. Several Hawk IIs were sold to Turkey....and called "Turkey Hawks"...hehehehe
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A4N1 219mph at 9,840
Ki-10 246mph at 13,120
Ki-27b 286 at 11,483
Ki-43-Ia 308mph at 13,120
A5M2a 265mph at 10,000 ft
A5M4 273mph at 9,840 ft
A6M2 316mph at 16,570ft
A6M5 346mph at 19,685ft
Curtiss F11C-2 or (Hawk II)
205mph at SL
Curtiss F112C-3 or (Hawk III)
240mph at SL
Curtiss P-36A Hawk
313mph at 10,000ft
Curtiss Hawk 75 (Export Fixed Gear)
280mph at 10,700ft
Curtiss P-40 WarHawk
357mph at 15,000
Grumman G-36 Martlet II
325mph at 15,500
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I get real excited for the same reasion's Hazed, hard to market it to the mases thought, Other than the P40's in the Flying Tiger's anything else from that Area CBI is almost compleatly unknow to the mases (in the US), let alone the War in China in the 30's or the Spanish Cival war, for Me WW2 started in the 30's in China, so including planes from that eara that actualy faught in WW2 is not to much of a streach, and as you say it would be a ton of fun to fight in them, untill of course the Claud hit you with it's 20mm cannon's:)
Adding Just the Gladator, CR 42, I-16, A5M, MC 200 and the BR 20 or Nell would add a ton of stuff to Ct and the event's guy' in terms of set up's for the war.
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The Ultamate Open Cockpit combo,the Zueno-6, a TB-3-4AM-34RN bomber with two I-16 type 5's with two FAB-250's each:
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/48644/0.jpg)
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Originally posted by hazed-
i gotta ask why are we the only ones who get excited by these aircraft?
:D
When you think about these aircraft here pictured and described theres several things that makes them desirable;
1) they have rarely if ever been modelled in any online sim or boxed sim for that matter and this means we would have a whole new era of aircraft to match against one another the (1930's types generally but used throughout WW2). we dont know which is the TnB'er or BnZ'er, which would be slowest or fastest.It would be like AH was for me in the early days, an almost total unknown.
2)their armament is so light that fights between them would last a lot longer than the cannon armed aircraft we have now.With these guns you could be caaught cold in a full burst and STILL be able to react and evade before they hit you enough.Furballs would be a dream in these!
3) They just LOOK so good! :D
I really hope HTC consider adding just a few of these open cockpit monoplanes or biplane types.
ya never know we might get real lucky!
Oh, Hazed! Hehe .. I've been an advocate of it for years! Maybe it's just waiting for it's time. I hope HTC considers it soon. There's ...errr ... a different sim (or sim engine) that's working on it. I think it'll be a hit.
But I'd like to bring up one ... possibly interesting point. With there being a segment of the community that's currently fed up with there being (supposedly) less aggressive furballing going on in AH, this sounds like quite possibly the answer to their prayers. An arena dedicated to pre/early war uber bipes and slower monos. (Perk the monoplane fighters! And the Fast bombers for that matter!)
Spain
The Winter War
Sino-Russian campaign
The airbases in Spain were pretty close to each other. There were literally dozens around Madrid that changed hands alot.
And ... I'm not all that certain that you'd see too light a "punch" from these planes. Some of them had some decent guns and we're talking there being still alot of wood and fabric construction on alot of `em as well. You would see some great maneuvering dogfighters that are also pretty steady gun platforms.
And yes .... it would be something new. Which usually draws a crowd. If it's modeled well and everyone's having fun, there should be no reason for it not to retain most of those who express an interest in it.
I've been tellin' ya'll for years! Spanish Civil War! Viva Espania! ;)
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(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/48881/0.jpg)
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Man the Skin options are prety wide for this plane as are the posable set uses for the CT and SEA:
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/49147/0.jpg)
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(http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/Media/i16top.jpg)
(http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/Media/CR32s.jpg)
(http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/Media/656.jpg)
(http://www.craftair.com/d_craft/e_news/chatos.jpg)
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Nice Skins Arlo, the CR 32 skins are prety cool looking, I have some Like it I dident scan from the Spanish Cival war as well, Whats the I-16 with the red Band from?, I havent seen it before.
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Check these out:
(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/49380/0.jpg)
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Originally posted by brady
Whats the I-16 with the red Band from?, I havent seen it before.
The Spanish Civil War ... what else? ;)
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Doh, learned somthing new today.:)
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hey why not at the beging of the norway campange gladitors fought with distinction against overwhelming odds only to be sunk on the aircraft carrier coming home.
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Having those bipes would be sweet. I don't have any opinion about which ones would be best, but I think that is one of those things that would just be fun for the heck of it!
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Not just for biplanes, but for all, I'd like to see a early war arena. Something similar to MA, but without the unlimited planeset.
Maybe even an early war and a mid war arena. Early going back to say 1936, mid starting about 1941 covering up to late 1942 or early 1943.
It's one of my BIG wishes. I'll likely never see it, but it would be nice.
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Well we often run early War plane set's in the CT, this Friday were doing an early war plane set featuring the P40E and the C.202, come on in and check it out it will be up for 7 day's.
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old airwarrior 3 bi planes sure was fun,,,when ya played modem to modem,,you could have bi plane vs ww2 fighters,,,i thought it would be tuff to shoot down a bi plane because they turn so well and slow,,but in fact it was flying so slow he would be a dead duck every time we went at it,,,,looked like he was just floating there, because he would be doing only like 80 mph,lol and me going 300,,was no contest,,he didnt have a chance,,and when i took the bi plane,,it was the same thing,,,nice easy target that can hardly move and cant run,,lol
but it would be a tons of fun to have a few bi planes in there,,and maybe a ww1 arena:)
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I think we're mostly talking WWII era biplanes. Planes with speeds in excess of 200mph. In fact, most in excess of 250mph.
That is at least twice as fast as a WWI airplane, or close to twice as fast.
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Yes were just (or at least I was) refering to WW2 BiPlanes. If you want to do a good early war set up in the CT or a SEA event you realy nead some of the above mentioned types. During the first two years (and into the third) year of the war Most of the above mentioned types were quiet common and for the most part very competive with other types particulary withen certain theater's and given the right plane adations these could be well represented and provide for some very interesting plane match up's.
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dont forget the Vought Corsair
http://espanol.geocities.com/aviacuba/Corsair.jpg
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Its the early WW2 biplanes and early fighters (some mono or overwing types) that have never been seen in any online simulators.
Theres also the very real fact that some of thes ancient outmoded fighters were actually used for almost the duration of the war.
There were for instance, Henschell 123's flying on the russian front as late as the summer of 1944!
They carried out the first ground attack of WW2 in the poland campaign! they were resigned to use for training and secondary support roles but they still saw action on the battle fronts (although increasingly rarely).
If these unusual early fighters were modelled I think they would actually attract people to try them out. Im sure the furballers would love them.
Slow good turning planes with weak guns = Long protracted and exciting dogfights where you can afford to take a few hits because the guns werent that effective.
Obviously they will be eaten alive in the MA but hey it will be fun trying to use them and when we have the CT or a scenario set in the early war they will rock! :)
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Some of these planes are actualy prety well armend, the A5M has two 20mm MGFF cannon's, the I-16 also has two 20mm cannon's and packs a very usable bomb load or rocket's, if memory serves the HS 123 caried the same bomb load as the early Stuka Models so ya it would do pret good as well, espichaly within the earler time frame's.
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Originally posted by brady
Some of these planes are actualy prety well armend, the A5M has two 20mm MGFF cannon's, the I-16 also has two 20mm cannon's and packs a very usable bomb load or rocket's, if memory serves the HS 123 caried the same bomb load as the early Stuka Models so ya it would do pret good as well, espichaly within the earler time frame's.
If by A5M, you mean the Mitsubishi A5M "Claude" it NEVER carried 20mm cannon. It's main armament was 2x 7.7mm machine guns.
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"it NEVER carried a 20mm gun?
NEVER say NEVER. I have a pic of one with an enclosed cockpit and a 20mm cannon. One of a kind, probably, but ....
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Originally posted by hazed-
i gotta ask why are we the only ones who get excited by these aircraft?
:D
When you think about these aircraft here pictured and described theres several things that makes them desirable;
1) they have rarely if ever been modelled in any online sim or boxed sim for that matter and this means we would have a whole new era of aircraft to match against one another the (1930's types generally but used throughout WW2). we dont know which is the TnB'er or BnZ'er, which would be slowest or fastest.It would be like AH was for me in the early days, an almost total unknown.
2)their armament is so light that fights between them would last a lot longer than the cannon armed aircraft we have now.With these guns you could be caaught cold in a full burst and STILL be able to react and evade before they hit you enough.Furballs would be a dream in these!
3) They just LOOK so good! :D
I really hope HTC consider adding just a few of these open cockpit monoplanes or biplane types.
ya never know we might get real lucky!
Since most of the late war rides will soon be represented going early war or mid 30's (drool) is the way to go!!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
"it NEVER carried a 20mm gun?
NEVER say NEVER. I have a pic of one with an enclosed cockpit and a 20mm cannon. One of a kind, probably, but ....
It NEVER carried one into combat.
;)
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Yes I just looked it up again, I remembered them being fited (the 20mm) but forgot it was just a test bed model:)
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Lavochkin LaGG-3 ;)
(http://r1329776.hostultra.com/Uploads/LAGG3-3s.jpg)
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You know, I noticed somebody said that alot of these planes were used for training later on, and that made me remember how somewhere I heard that in AH2:Tour of Duty there will be training missions that you must pass before entering combat. Maybe we need some of these sweet planes that could be used as a armed model for combat or as an unarmed model for basic training. Of course, I don't know how simple or complex the training will start out. Myself, I wouldn't mind flying a pt-17 into combat against a me-109 and shooting it down with a .45 pistol :-) lol.
Well we will see I guess....
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Hey That reminded me that HTC did a Stearman for that Pizza Pusher and they use it at airshows or somthing to help get kids hooked on their stufedcrust or somthing, anyway their was an Armed vershion of the Sterman which was sold for export and used in WW2 althought I know little more than that about it, maybe we could get it added since the plane is well already done and all:)