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Title: Best Air Combat-themed movie ever?
Post by: DiabloTX on June 07, 2003, 12:25:26 PM
My faves, in no particular order;

1. The Blue Max

2. 12 O'Clock High

3. Pearl Harbor (this movie could have been the shiznitz but was a typical 'hollywood' corruption of realism)

4. Battle Of Britain

5. Piece Of Cake, BBS mini-series.
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Post by: hawk220 on June 07, 2003, 12:30:43 PM
I'd say Battle of Britian for sure. using a real JU88 in a film, groovin.

Memphis Belle was good too
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Post by: davidpt40 on June 07, 2003, 12:56:12 PM
Memphis Belle has to be the most realistic.  Even though the mission in the movie was fake, everything that happened on it was real.
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Post by: Sandman on June 07, 2003, 01:09:24 PM
What could be better than Iron Eagle and Top Gun?
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 07, 2003, 01:13:28 PM
Ummmm...Iron Eagle II and III??
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Post by: davidpt40 on June 07, 2003, 01:19:05 PM
I still laugh when I think about that 70+ year old Japanese World War II veteran ramming his plane into that cargo plane.  Louis Gosset JR should be embarrassed for making that movie.
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Post by: NUKE on June 07, 2003, 01:20:59 PM
The best war movie ever was "Final Countdown".   I recomend it highly, buy the DVD.
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Post by: Octavius on June 07, 2003, 01:28:34 PM
Hot Shots
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Post by: aknimitz on June 07, 2003, 02:18:41 PM
Firefox baby!
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Post by: udet on June 07, 2003, 02:36:01 PM
Memphis Belle
Blue Max
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Post by: Mini D on June 07, 2003, 02:42:33 PM
Deep Blue World kicks butt on most listed here.  
Midway was also a good one.  
Empire of the sun had some decent P-51 and zeke shots... with one very incredible scene.
Blue Max was a good movie with some decent scenes too... but it was just good.

MiniD
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Post by: Vulcan on June 07, 2003, 04:32:49 PM
Flight of the Intruder...

"Sandy low lead, Sandy low lead, lay it on me man, I'd do it for you"

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Post by: john9001 on June 07, 2003, 05:27:01 PM
Flight of the Intruder

"fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history"
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 07, 2003, 05:38:02 PM
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Originally posted by Mini D
Deep Blue World kicks butt on most listed here.  
Midway was also a good one.  
Empire of the sun had some decent P-51 and zeke shots... with one very incredible scene.
Blue Max was a good movie with some decent scenes too... but it was just good.

MiniD


I am assuming you mean Dark Blue World?
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Post by: Mini D on June 07, 2003, 05:56:45 PM
yeah.. dark blue world.  I get the title confused with deep blue sea sometimes.

MiniD
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 07, 2003, 06:21:49 PM
I'd never heard of it until you posted about it.  I did a search on the net for it and saw the trailer.  WOW!!!!  There is a DVD copy at a Blockbuster by my house.  I am out the door to go purchase it!!  Thanks for the heads up mini!!  
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Post by: pugg666 on June 07, 2003, 06:36:03 PM
oh man Peice of cake, I've been trying to get a copy of that series for years!
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Post by: medicboy on June 07, 2003, 06:59:32 PM
Have to say midway and final countdown, never heard of dark blue sky, going to go looking...
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Post by: pugg666 on June 07, 2003, 07:27:22 PM
GSholz,

It's a mini series similar to Band of Brothers, but dealing with british pilots during the battle of Britain.
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 07, 2003, 07:33:33 PM
It was a Masterpiece Theatre production that came out in '90 or '91.  I still have copies of it on VHS somewhere around here.  Hornet Squadron was the main group in it.  There was a Yank the the group as well as I remember.  Also, the opening scene where the CO dies is classic.
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Post by: MajorDay on June 07, 2003, 08:13:16 PM
Iron Eagle I
Top Gun
Pearl Harbor
Midway
Memphis Belle
30 second over toyko
12 o'clock high
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Flying Leathernecks
Battle Of Britain
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Post by: Bodhi on June 07, 2003, 11:08:03 PM
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Memphis Belle has to be the most realistic.  Even though the mission in the movie was fake, everything that happened on it was real.


Most realistic?????  That movie, while somewhat enjoyable was a crock of crap, from the unrealsitic looking aircraft positions, to the portrayal of a lot of the combat situations.
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Post by: NUKE on June 07, 2003, 11:21:37 PM
You guys must have never seen Final Countdown.

Buy the DVD, it's probably one of the best war films of all time.
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Post by: Sandman on June 08, 2003, 12:06:15 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
You guys must have never seen Final Countdown.

Buy the DVD, it's probably one of the best war films of all time.


Yeah... Katherine Ross made me feel funny too. :)
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Post by: Sox62 on June 08, 2003, 01:36:19 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
You guys must have never seen Final Countdown.

Buy the DVD, it's probably one of the best war films of all time.



I love that movie but alas,it hasn't been release on DVD yet.
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Post by: cpxxx on June 08, 2003, 03:13:05 PM
Not in any particular order:

Battle of Britain

Blue Max

The Bridges of Toko Ri

and another Korean war film with Mitchum and Robert Wagner starring F86's and F84's disguised as Migs the name of which I can't remember.

The Blue Max in part because I saw some of it being made around my area. Can you imagine anything more exciting as a kid than actually watching a dogfight overhead. Years later I flew from the airfield it was made. There were even some relics of the film around. Two other WW1 films were also made in the vicinity so I was overdosed on dogfighting Sopwiths, Se5's and Fokkers including one glorious moment when I was sole witness to two biplanes in combat at extremely low level. Fantastic!

The Battle of Britain  because of all those Spits and Heinkels.

The bridges of Toko Ri for the Panthers and it's non Hollywood ending and that other film because the F86 is in my opinion one of the most aesthetically pleasing jet fighter's ever made.
Title: How can u guys forget
Post by: doobs on June 08, 2003, 09:10:03 PM
The best fiter movie of all time
1941
John Belushi fiter ace:p
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Post by: Swager on June 08, 2003, 10:32:16 PM
Daiblo

That is "A Piece Of Cake"

I have it on VHS.  Great Spit footage.  I believe it was made in 1988 but Masterpiece showed it in 1991, I think.

The book is great also!
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on June 08, 2003, 10:36:24 PM
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Not in any particular order:

Battle of Britain

Blue Max

The Bridges of Toko Ri

and another Korean war film with Mitchum and Robert Wagner starring F86's and F84's disguised as Migs the name of which I can't remember.

The Blue Max in part because I saw some of it being made around my area. Can you imagine anything more exciting as a kid than actually watching a dogfight overhead. Years later I flew from the airfield it was made. There were even some relics of the film around. Two other WW1 films were also made in the vicinity so I was overdosed on dogfighting Sopwiths, Se5's and Fokkers including one glorious moment when I was sole witness to two biplanes in combat at extremely low level. Fantastic!

The Battle of Britain  because of all those Spits and Heinkels.

The bridges of Toko Ri for the Panthers and it's non Hollywood ending and that other film because the F86 is in my opinion one of the most aesthetically pleasing jet fighter's ever made.


The Korean war film you refer to is called "The Hunters". The Robert Mitchum character is " Major Cleve Seville". Can't remember the name of the Robert Wagner character. It's a pretty good film.
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Post by: gofaster on June 09, 2003, 08:56:48 AM
"Battle of Britain" with Michael Caine was bogged down with a horrible love story sub-plot.  

"Midway" suffered from a horrible sub-plot as well but produced some great quotes ("You better shape up, Tiger, or some hot-shot Jap pilot is going to flame your a**!") and memorable scenes (Heston's flaps flopping in the wind on final approach to the carrier).

The best of the best:

"Twelve O'Clock High"

"Tora! Tora! Tora!"

and my favorite, which I'm hoping will be released on DVD soon,

"Gun Camera Footage of World War Two"
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Post by: Eagler on June 09, 2003, 09:16:28 AM
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Originally posted by pugg666
oh man Peice of cake, I've been trying to get a copy of that series for years!


looks like about $35 and it's yours:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=Piece+of+cake&from=R8&ht=1&st=2&category1=380&Top10=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&catref=C1
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Post by: LePaul on June 09, 2003, 10:33:32 AM
Iron Eagle was good.  I never heard my Dad cough "Bullsh*t" as often as he did....he was a Pentagon Liason for the Air Guard here.    Hell I liked what he did in that 152  :)

The Final Countdown is awesome, buzzing that yacht was great...its not on DVD yet, I check often

FireFox was pretty good, if you nod off thru the first hour and wak up in time for the flying scenes
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Post by: nuchpatrick on June 09, 2003, 10:55:21 AM
The Blue Max was good..My personal one is the Fly Leathernecks.. gotta like John Wayne! :D
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Post by: gofaster on June 09, 2003, 12:34:12 PM
Amazon has both "Dark Blue World" and "A Piece of Cake" as a bundle.
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Post by: JoeDirt on June 09, 2003, 02:12:48 PM
WTF?  TOP GUN  no doubt.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on June 09, 2003, 04:58:25 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
The best war movie ever was "Final Countdown".   I recomend it highly, buy the DVD.




Final Countdown wasn't even a friggin' war movie and the only A2A it showed was a 5 minute scene against a F-14 and a Zero.



Ack-Ack
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Post by: eskimo2 on June 09, 2003, 05:03:37 PM
BOB

1969 UA

eskimo
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Post by: Ack-Ack on June 09, 2003, 05:19:08 PM
Piece of Cake
Tora Tora Tora
Midway
Red Baron
Wings
The Hunters
The Fighting Lady
Battle of Britain
The Dawn Patrol
Von Richtofen and Brown
The Flying Leathernecks
Hellcats of the Navy (just for pure cheesiness)
Blue Max
The Bridges of Toko-Ri
30 Seconds over Tokyo
12 O'Clock High
One of our aircraft is missing
Q planes (also known as Clould over Europe)
Aces High
Dam Busters
688 Squadron




Ack-Ack
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Post by: Vulcan on June 09, 2003, 05:50:49 PM
I read Piece of Cake before I saw it, I found the series a little disappointing.

Who remembers Wings? The classic BBC series about WWI pilots, MAN that has to be the BEST ever. They had some beautiful replica's of WWI aircraft, and it included air-air combat with pistols and rifles.

If anyone knows where to get it sing out, as I know anyone in AH would love this series.

I can't find anything on it except this:
WINGS

BBC1 / 26x50m-e / 1977-78

Creator: Barry Thomas / Music: Alexander Faris / Producer: Peter Cregeen  

Period drama series. Stories of a group of pilots in the Royal Flying Corps during World War One.

Alan Farmer....................... .............. TIM WOODWARD

Charles Gaylion...................... .......... MICHAEL COCHRANE

Richard Bravington................... ......... DAVID TROUGHTON

Captain Triggers..................... .......... NICHOLAS JONES

Michael Starling..................... .......... MICHAEL JAYES

Molly Farmer....................... ............ ANNE KRISTEN

Lorna Collins...................... ............. SARAH PORTER

Harry Farmer....................... ............ JOHN HALLAM

Kate......................... ...................... CELIA BANNERMAN

Tom.......................... ..................... REG LYE
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 10, 2003, 08:02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Swager
Daiblo

That is "A Piece Of Cake"

I have it on VHS.  Great Spit footage.  I believe it was made in 1988 but Masterpiece showed it in 1991, I think.

The book is great also!


No, I meant Piece Of Cake.  

http://www.nathanielparker2.8m.com/pieceofcake/

Only calls it like I see it.

BTW, watched Dark Blue World and really liked it.  A couple of technical flaws but a really, really good flick.  What Pearl Harbor should have been...
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 10, 2003, 08:04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Final Countdown wasn't even a friggin' war movie and the only A2A it showed was a 5 minute scene against a F-14 and a Zero.



Ack-Ack


Have to agree with Ack there.  It's more of a Sci-Fi (time travel) flick than air combat themed movie.  But I did like it, a really cool story idea.  "Ah hell, they're gonna let the Japs do it again!!"  LOL!!
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Post by: Hangtime on June 10, 2003, 10:24:54 PM
(http://datacore.sciflicks.com/dr_strangelove/images/dr_strangelove_large_03.jpg)

Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader's mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we was flying any lower why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing... but we got one little budge on those Rooskies. At this height why they might harpoon us but they dang sure ain't gonna spot us on no radar screen!  slim pickens as 'major kong'

Dr Strangelove!
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Post by: DiabloTX on June 10, 2003, 10:44:51 PM
LOL!!  Not exactly on subject but a 5 star movie none-the-less.  Hang!!!
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Post by: Ack-Ack on June 10, 2003, 11:48:37 PM
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I read Piece of Cake before I saw it, I found the series a little disappointing.

Who remembers Wings? The classic BBC series about WWI pilots, MAN that has to be the BEST ever. They had some beautiful replica's of WWI aircraft, and it included air-air combat with pistols and rifles.

 



I've never heard of that series.  The only Wings movie I've heard of and seen is the old silent movie about a couple of US pilots in WWI.

Ack-Ack
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Post by: rpm on June 11, 2003, 12:59:15 AM
Buffs:
Strategic Air Command with Jimmy Stewart. For it's day it was pretty in depth, despite being an outright recruiting film for the Air Force. Lotsa B-29, B-36 and B-47 flight footage.

By Dawn's Early Light with Powers Boothe, Rebecca De Mornay. Pretty good B-52 stuff...and of course Rebecca gets nekked!

Bombers B-52 with Rock Hudson. Yeah, Rock Hudson...but some cool LOW level actual B-52 footage....and Rock naturally excells at In-Flight Refueling...draw your own conclusions.

Fighters:
Top Gun with Tom Cruise.  C'mon admit it....you were drooling the first time you watched it.

Piece of Cake BBC Mini-Series. Excellent early WW2 reinactment.

JAG CBS Series. Yeah, most of it is CGI, but the F-14 is cool enough to overcome it when they do fly...altho I saw Harm's plane change numbers and insignia while taxiing on carrier...Hmmm
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Post by: Leslie on June 11, 2003, 01:31:19 AM
Can't believe you guys didn't mention Howard Hughs' 1930 production of Hells' Angels .  If you haven't seen this movie, by all means try to find a copy of it, or wait 'til it comes on TV and record it on your VCR, DVD, etc...

Plenty of WWI air combat action, including Zepplins and a German bomber.  The camera pans the bombs all the way to the target, and looks pretty real for a movie made in 1930.

But the best thing about Hell's Angels is the plot, centered around a theme of loyalty and the sacrifice two brothers make during the war effort.

It explores the subject of overcoming cowardice and fear.  One of the brothers was a coward, and started a duel the other brother finished for him.  He took a bullet, but wasn't killed.  Years later, these brothers join the air corps, and the duel comes back to haunt them in the form of a German general...who one of the brothers had the duel with.

The brothers fly a captured German bomber into German territory and bomb an ammo dump, then are jumped by a large squadron of patrolling German fighters on their way out.  They are saved by a British squadron, and a large dogfight ensues with what seems like 50 planes.

The brothers crash land their bomber and are captured.  The ending is very ironic.



Les
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Post by: Sox62 on June 11, 2003, 03:33:07 AM
POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR "A Piece of Cake"



Not to ruin anything for those who enjoyed the mini-series and book,"A piece of Cake"

Book was awesome,the mini-series was ok.The mini-series altered a major character's ending....and I thought it sucked.CH3 would never have made that mistake,based on the book.