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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Beans101 on June 09, 2003, 12:21:17 AM
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In my humble oppinion, the P-61 Black Widow would b an excellent Perk Fighter/Bomber. Since we dont really have a Perkie Fighter/Bomber we obviously need one that everyone will use (so we can get rid of all those stinkin Bomber Perks we never use).
Second, add the P51-C (someone please correct me if im wrong) with the 4 20mm Hispano Cannons as a perk Fighter!! The P51 is an excellent plane as it stands, but adding the Cannons would REALLY increase the use of the plane, especially by me :)!!
Third, last but not least, an additional Perk Bomber SHOULD b a B29 Superfortress. Fast, sleak, great defensive weapons and a great bomb load!! I dont c why we havent had it in AH yet. No disrespect to all AH Staff.
FOR EVERYONE ELSE = Add a comment or two about your favorite plane you would like to see in the next Version of
ACES HIGH, maybe just maybe, if we wish hard enuf, we will get what we ask for!! ;)
Sincerely
Beans101
'The more u eat, the more u toot'
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Do-335 and the J7W Shinden
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The P-61 is not a bomber, it's a Night fighter, I think for somthing to be considered a bomber it's neads to have a bombsight.
I thought the Hispano armed P51's dident actualy see service?
I want all the planes from WW2 that have yet to be modeled in AH added.:)
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Originally posted by brady
The P-61 is not a bomber, it's a Night fighter, I think for somthing to be considered a bomber it's neads to have a bombsight.
I thought the Hispano armed P51's dident actualy see service?
I want all the planes from WW2 that have yet to be modeled in AH added.:)
Didn't one of the early RAF Mustangs, the Mk IIa, carry twin 20mm cannons?
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Beans101
In my humble oppinion, the P-61 Black Widow would b an excellent Perk Bomber.
Since night time isn't really modeled in AH and there is no modeled airborne radar, the P-61 would be kind of useless.
Ack-Ack
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Do335: Great performance, fast, agile, can carry a decent lod of bombs and looks freaking great.
Me410: Because it's so extremely cool looking and can carry alot of different weapons.
He219: Night fighter with alot of aramament, shot down 5 bombers on its first sortie and was also the firtst plane to shoot down a mosquito at night.
Fw 190 A9 and F9 just because! :)
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Cannon armed Mustang was the Mk.Ia, and the P-61 was a nightfighter!
Need bomber mossies! 4k bombload, 400+ mph
(http://members.aol.com/famjustin/MOSS1.JPG)
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Originally posted by Beans101
FOR EVERYONE ELSE = Add a comment or two about your favorite plane you would like to see in the next Version of
ACES HIGH, maybe just maybe, if we wish hard enuf, we will get what we ask for!! ;)
Gloster Gladiator
Fiat Cr32 and 42
Sm 79
SM 81
Ju52
Do17
Heinkel 111
Ki-27 Nate
Ki-21 Sally
G4M Betty
Bristol Blenheim
Wellington
Maryland/Baltimore
He 115
Lagg-3
MiGG-3
Il-4
Polikarpov I-16
I-153
Bf109 Spanish War variants
Brewster Buffalo
Dewoitine D.520
With the above planeset you could flesh out an early war arena rather nicely. You'd have about all types needed to get started given that we already have SBDs, F4Fs, Stukas, Vals, A6m2s, etc.
Hk8 Emily
Sunderland
P-39
Ki-43
Ki-45
Ki-84
Variations of the P-38, such as the G
B-25
B-24
Pe-2
Do-217
Cant 1007 Alcione
These planes saw far too much use/had too great an impact or role in their air forces not to be modeled. Note that for the Sunderland and Emily, these fill the "flying boat/floatplane" needs for axis and allies. Not that I wouldn't take the Catalinas, Herones, etc., just that these two would go a long way towards filling out flying boat needs/uses if not doing so completely. I'd like to see a great many others, and sure vehicle sets would be nice, but let's have more planes first--great planes, the ones that fought the early war when the issue was being decided, not the models that were simply mass fodder to be thrown into each meat grinder.
I see people are also asking for more ships. The Shipping thing needs to be rethought completely, but for now let's have more airplanes.
Sakai
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He-111 (for the love of god)
109K4
109G14
190A4
Yak3
Some MiG's
Ki-84
B29
B25H
Clipped wing Spit (VB?)
LaGG-3
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Originally posted by brady
The P-61 is not a bomber, it's a Night fighter, I think for somthing to be considered a bomber it's neads to have a bombsight.
I thought the Hispano armed P51's dident actualy see service?
I want all the planes from WW2 that have yet to be modeled in AH added.:)
Ummm Brady,, the A20 is a bomber and it does not have a bombsight.
THe P-61 was capable of performing the function of bomber as it did do it on a regular basis over in Asia I believe. Could carry up to 4000lbs. Original post by...beans should of said perk fighter/bomber would of been more appropriate.
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Bf109 G-14
Bf110 G-4
He177 A-5
Ju87 G-1
Ju88 G-1
Me410 A-1
B-24J
Beaufighter TF.Mk X
Halifax B.Mk III
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
SB2C-3
Yak-9D
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Thank you Gorf for not making me feel like a DUMB ARSE like Ack-Ack or Brady. I have Corrected the Bomber thing to Fighter/Bomber, which is what i meant. And yes u r right again Gorf, the P-61 did play a role in Bomber missions, and yes it could carry 4000lbs in ord. not to mention its 4 20mm FF Cannons, as well as its Top Turret w/4 50cals.
Brady, when u leave a post arguing about something, please know what the hell u r talking about first before u make the comment.:D Not to mention, as Gorf said as well, several designated BOMBERS in the war didnt have bomb sights!! Sorry Brady, U Lose this one man.
<> Gorf
Beans101 OUT!!
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Originally posted by brady
I thought the Hispano armed P51's dident actualy see service?
Sorry Brady if i have confused u, but i asked anyone to correct me if i was wrong. It obviously seems like u dont know what in the hell u r talking about seeing as how u have a ? at the end of your so called statement. Brady, im not trying to get on ur case, just next time, try to b a little nicer when responding to a post, K!!
S! Brady
Beans101 OUT!!
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The P61 was not a Bomber, but as you mentioned a Heavy fighter capable of carying Bomb's.
The A20G was originaly designed as a bomber with a sight and later was adapted to the atack role whear the bombader position was elimanated, so in this guise it is not realy a bomber per say.
Yes, it is still a question on the Hispano armed P51's I know some were made but I remember reading some whear that they werent used operationaly or saw little service, I cant remember exactly that's why I asked a question.
I am sry if my statement's/ question rubed you raw, it certainly was not my intent to do so.
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UNITED STATES
DOUGLAS A-26C
Consolidated B-24D
North American B-25B
Boeing B-29
Northrop P-61C
North American A-36A
NORTH AMERICAN F-82B
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Originally posted by Beans101
Thank you Gorf for not making me feel like a DUMB ARSE like Ack-Ack or Brady. I have Corrected the Bomber thing to Fighter/Bomber, which is what i meant. And yes u r right again Gorf, the P-61 did play a role in Bomber missions, and yes it could carry 4000lbs in ord. not to mention its 4 20mm FF Cannons, as well as its Top Turret w/4 50cals.
The P-61 is no more of a bomber than a P-38, P-51 or P-47 was. Like a lot of U.S. fighters, the P-61 was used on occassion to attack ground targets like trains, convoys, etc.
Also like I pointed out, the lack of any real night time modeling and the absence of plane mounted radar would make the P-61 rather useless. If HiTech was going to add modeling for night time or plane mounted radar than the P-61 might have a place.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by brady
Yes, it is still a question on the Hispano armed P51's I know some were made but I remember reading some whear that they werent used operationaly or saw little service, I cant remember exactly that's why I asked a question.
I'm pretty sure the RAF Mustang that had the 20mm cannons was used mostly as a ground attack plane in North Africa. Don't know how many were made but a few definitely saw some action. I think the US equivelent was known as the P-51A (but minus the 20mm cannons).
Ack-Ack
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see below for wishlist
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
see below for wishlist
Are you trying to tell us you would like to see the P-47N?
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Originally posted by MajorDay
UNITED STATES
DOUGLAS A-26C
Consolidated B-24D
North American B-25B
Boeing B-29
Northrop P-61C
North American A-36A
NORTH AMERICAN F-82B
MajorDay, i cant agree with u more man, all of those choices are on my list too, but since all probably wont make it i only stated my favorite. Excellent decisions man <>
Beans101 OUT!!
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Originally posted by brady
I am sry if my statement's/ question rubed you raw, it certainly was not my intent to do so.
<> Brady, sorry for the bad reply. Just seem'd like everyone was being Mean, i mean all i really asked was for everyone to leave some planes they would like in AHII. But instead everyone decided to correct me. Plus getting laid off at work that day didnt seem to help much. <>
Beans101 OUT!!
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Halifax<<<<<<<B29<<<<<<<<<B24<<<<<<<<<
Great planes i love them i dont really care for fight since im not good ifghter pilot but this game could also use night time radar and the he 111 now that would make this game perfect for air. now a whole different story on the ground. we need to add armies etc. and more gv's and i would also like blimps and u boats and u boat task groups. for gv's we must have the "Duce and a half" now i really want that truck. we could also use the m4 general sherman tank (even though those panzer will rip it apart in seconds). with like a shall we call it a formation. since it did out number the german tanks there should be more when you start. we dont this where you send 1 bomber to 1 point to drop bomb and an other to another point all we need is like more bombers in a formation.
i think the blimp and u baot would very munch improve the game.we dont need ai it ill just give me nightmares trying to figure it out like in my fs2002 i still have not figured it out.we could also use maybe a vectoring system in this game like the ones the germans use (what was it called). this is what it would take for this to be the greatest game of all time. Right now it is the greatest game of the century but it needs to be improved just a bit in my eyes to be perfect.
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i belive i do rshubert :D
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Messerschmitt Me410
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HE 177
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~S~ I would like to see markings of the 332nd FG Redtails on the P-51B and 51D also see the P-39,47 and P-40 that have the Tuskegee markings
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German:
Me-410 B "Hornisse"
Fw-190 A6
Fw-190 D11/12/13
He-219 "Uhu
Bf-109 K4
He-177 "Greif"
Ju-52 "Tante Ju"
StuG III
SdKfz 234/2 "Puma" Image: (http://www.achtungpanzer.de/radpan/sdkfz2342.jpg)
One off my all time faves in ASL (http://www.advancedsquadleader.com)ASL (http://www.advancedsquadleader.com)
Russian:
Pe-2
MiG-3
Yak-3
Japanese:
Ki-84
That "Betty" thing
Italian:
That "2005" thing
Some bomber
Romania/minor axis:
Gotta dug up that thread again ;)
American:
B-24 "Liberator"
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Mustang Mk1a had 4 20mm hispano cannons, BUT it had the Allison engine, not the merlin. So it had rather mediocre top speed and bad acceleration.
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Ki84 oh umm what else...
Yak 3
Lagg3
He111
P47N
more to come as I think um up...
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If I could get this ...
(http://www.luftwaffe3945.hpg.ig.com.br/aero/me410.jpg)
(http://www.luftwaffe3945.hpg.ig.com.br/aero/me410_4.jpg)
... or this ...
(http://www.sweb.cz/havlis/stihaci/219a.jpg)
... I would be a very happy man! :)
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Originally posted by GScholz
If I could get this ...
(http://www.sweb.cz/havlis/stihaci/219a.jpg)
... I would be a very happy man! :)
He219 (OWL), good choice GScholz, that is one of my favorites too. Next time leave the info on what plane that is, so others can know what it is and what kinda fire power it has. One version He219 it has 2 - 20mm ff cannons along with 4 - 30mm ff cannons, as well as 2 - 45 degree upward firing 30mm cannons. It was also the first production aircraft to b equipped with an ejector seat.
Max Cruise speed was 391mph with 2 - 1900hp engines a piece!! Again good choice!!
<> Beans101 OUT!!
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Actually 416 mph with WEP ;)
The Me410 would prolly be more successful in the MA though since it had a lot more armament options, including air-to-mud ord like bombs and rockets.
The He219 was a more specialized nightfighter/daylight recon-bomber. Quite agile for its size though.
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Romainian IAR-80 please :D
(http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/iar80b.jpg)
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P61 would be a useless deathtrap in MA imo and it was such a rare aircraft that even now when you see them in pictures it hardly cinjures up a sense of WW2. I really have no interest in aircraft I hardly recognise when there are still so many famous ones that havent been fleshed out like the early and late mark mosquitoes and even other p38 versions.
Do335 never saw a scrap of action and so imo should also be ignored.
Quite honestly id rather see the romanian aircraft pictured above before id want the P61 or Do335.
All others mentioned in here seem ok to me but to be honest I'll just be happy if HTC managed to remodel all the ones we already have in time let alone adding new ones.
Given the choice of one aircraft to add though and id choose 190a2 or a3
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Halifax<<<<<<<B29<<<<<<<<<B24<<<<<<<<<
Great planes i love them i dont really care for fight since im not good ifghter pilot but this game could also use night time radar and the he 111 now that would make this game perfect for air. now a whole different story on the ground. we need to add armies etc. and more gv's and i would also like blimps and u boats and u boat task groups. for gv's we must have the "Duce and a half" now i really want that truck. we could also use the m4 general sherman tank (even though those panzer will rip it apart in seconds). with like a shall we call it a formation. since it did out number the german tanks there should be more when you start. we dont this where you send 1 bomber to 1 point to drop bomb and an other to another point all we need is like more bombers in a formation.
i think the blimp and u baot would very munch improve the game.we dont need ai it ill just give me nightmares trying to figure it out like in my fs2002 i still have not figured it out.we could also use maybe a vectoring system in this game like the ones the germans use (what was it called). this is what it would take for this to be the greatest game of all time. Right now it is the greatest game of the century but it needs to be improved just a bit in my eyes to be perfect.
bskull i dont mean to be rude but is your language not english??
sheesh gave me a brain ache reading this!
if you are speaking English then im afraid your old English teacher would have your balls on a platter for that punctuation! :D hehe
why a blimp? what use would it be? youve confused me now.
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Originally posted by hazed-
why a blimp? what use would it be? youve confused me now.
A blimp is required so I am not the fattest, slowest, most gas filled, bulbous thing in the game anymore.
Sakai
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Originally posted by hazed-
P61 would be a useless deathtrap in MA imo and it was such a rare aircraft that even now when you see them in pictures it hardly cinjures up a sense of WW2. I really have no interest in aircraft I hardly recognise....
Really Hazed. Hmmm, something tells me that we r using planes in AH right now that were hardly used in the war too. Lemme think OH YES the Me163, DUH, that plane hardly even saw service. Oh and the Me262, if u r comparing it to the P38 or P51 its just a glimmer in the water. Do u want me to keep going... Next time Hazed, when u leave a remark dont b stupid by saying u have no intrest in aircraft u hardly recognise when we all know u love the 163 and 262. The rare planes r the ones that give us excitement when we fly em!! Dont u agree.
BEANS101 OUT!!
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Originally posted by Wadke
Romainian IAR-80 please :D
(http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/iar80b.jpg)
U have got to b joking me Wadke. LOL, i love u like a brother, but i believe it would get KILLED IN AH. it only has 6 ff 30cals as defensive weapons. Thats worse than the Hurri I or Spit I, heck thats even worse than the 202 loadout!! HEHE, would b fun to fly ill bet tho, prolly turns on a dime.
<> Wadke
BEANS101 OUT!!
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Originally posted by Beans101
Originally posted by hazed-
Dont u agree.
BEANS101 OUT!!
Not if we want it to resemble the war in any real way. Some of us would rather the 262 and 193 had never been modeled, or were dead last. I'd much rather have a Do217, He111, Ju52 and a few more 109/190 models.
Sakai
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NP Sakai, those r totally good decisions, but when u get down to it he might as well have put his own foot in his mouth. These planes im comming up with r completely my oppinion just like yours when u say JU52 or HE111. NP man good choices but its still an oppinion based Forum!!
BEANS101 OUT!!
P.S. Dont u mean 163??
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Luftwaffe
Ju-87G
Do17
Me262A2 - that have bombload
He-162 - some more Jets
USAF
B-24 Liberator
B-29 SUPERFORTRESS
P-80 - american operational jet fighter
RAF
Mosquito more types
Gloster Meteor - RAF operational jet
More Seafires
VVS
I-16
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Yak-3
Pe-2
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Originally posted by Beans101
NP Sakai, those r totally good decisions, but when u get down to it he might as well have put his own foot in his mouth. These planes im comming up with r completely my oppinion just like yours when u say JU52 or HE111. NP man good choices but its still an oppinion based Forum!!
Rgr that buddy.
To me though, WWII aerial combat is all about not the bestest technological advancement, but the planes which flew against each other in the thrilling, terrifying days when the issue was still in doubt. After about 1944, it was just a matter of time, but when the IAR came out, it was a top flight AC and competitive. It flew through 1944 and some models had 2 20mm Mausers on it with 4 MGs as kickers. So it was no slouch.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Beans101
[BReally Hazed. Hmmm, something tells me that we r using planes in AH right now that were hardly used in the war too. Lemme think OH YES the Me163, DUH, that plane hardly even saw service. Oh and the Me262, if u r comparing it to the P38 or P51 its just a glimmer in the water. Do u want me to keep going... Next time Hazed, when u leave a remark dont b stupid by saying u have no intrest in aircraft u hardly recognise when we all know u love the 163 and 262. The rare planes r the ones that give us excitement when we fly em!! Dont u agree.
BEANS101 OUT!! [/B]
Not wanting to piss in your pool here Beans, but the 163 and 262 saw far more service than what you seem to think.
The 163s first operational sortie was on the 16th of August 1944 intercepting B-17s. At the time of VE-Day on May 8th 1945 the 163 had seen 10 months of service. The fact that they only scored nine confirmed victories does not mean they saw little action.
The 262 became operational with Erprobungskommando 262 (EKdo262), III./ZG 26 in April of 1944 and scored its first victory of a Mosquito on July 26, 1944. By the time of VE-Day on May 8th 1945 the 262 had seen 13 months of service with the LW.
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Originally posted by devious
German:
Me-410 B "Hornisse"
Fw-190 A6
Fw-190 D11/12/13
He-219 "Uhu
Bf-109 K4
He-177 "Greif"
Ju-52 "Tante Ju"
StuG III
DEVIOUS, Listen to this man!! There is 1 plane in particular on his wishlist that is my main choice to see!! The 190D-11!!!! But.. Since few were made and used mainly my only one squad (JV44 Wurger Staffel) it is almost certain we wont see it :(. But if it somehow manages to find its way into AH2 you can DEFFENETLY expect to see me around for a long time HTC! And ill go recruit some more customers for you. LW FOREVER!
(http://www.phillyjunglemassive.com/board/images/smiles/slayer)
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*LOL!* (http://www.phillyjunglemassive.com/board/images/smiles/slayer)
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Some Specs for ya beans and i never said what type hehehe
and to tell you the truth i was mostly kidding
IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81a 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/W-29 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built
also.........
The I.A.R. 80's flying characteristics were reported to be excellent, highly maneuverable with heavy firepower. A pressurized cockpit was provided and there were several variants, the I.A.R. 81 was a dive-bomber and long-range fighter.
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I never asked for the 163 or me262 or arado or ta152 but i was glad i got those before some others like meteor or do335 or any of the weird and wonderfull types that didnt see action or id never heard of.The p61 happens to be one aircraft id never seen until seeingit on these boards. It didnt grab me so ive never wanted it.
Sure we like the rocket planes etc but they are hardly very usefull to us in day to day play.I just think id rather see normal fighters these days. I thought the komet was fun but given the choice id have taken a 190 varient ive never seen instead. Thats not to say i dont want other types too. I fly mainly LW but i also want to see allied stuff like a sherman tanks or P47N.Mossie versions and early p38s.
Before we got the Komet i thought they sounded great but now I use them so little i think they were a bit of a waste, lovely though some of them are!.
I look forward to more weird aircraft once we get a few more of the famous types which have big gaps at the moment.
early 190 and p38s
late war ju88 or other heavy he177 ju188 do 217
b24 early war
B25 many varients
halifax or wellington
Late P47 (N)
Late ju87 anti gv
Me410
some real early stuff like some of the biplanes above
Of course if the night time in AH was changed so that night fighters had a role that you couldnt perform with day fighters then id be all for the p61 and id also cry out for a ju88 or he219 but as they dont serve any role i find them all a bit pointless.
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Originally posted by artik
USAF
P-80 - american operational jet fighter
[[/B]
The P-80 was not operational in WWII. There wer 2 or three in Italy during 1945 for evaluation purposes but they were not assigned to operational units and they didn't see combat.
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Since AH2:ToD is going debut in a Western European setting I'd like to see these aircraft and ground vehicles:
United States
B-17F
B-26A
P-38F
P-38G
M4A3 (75mm)
M4A3 (76mm)
United Kingdom
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Mosquito NF.Mk XIX
Spitfire Mk VIII
Firefly (17pdr)
Germany
Bf109G-14
Bf110G-4
Bf109K-4
Fw190A-2
Ju52
Ju88G-7
SdKfz 251 Halftrack
I have tried to keep the list somewhat short and to maximize the reuse of both existing and newly added geometry. Keeping the list to the Western European Theatre would allow HTC to provide a more immersive and richer initial AH2:ToD release.
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Pray we don't get the Yak-3. It will own the MA.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Pray we don't get the Yak-3. It will own the MA.
I think russian planes wont even be in the initial AH2 release.
I gusess they might encompass the russian front in their western front AH2 setup but if I got the right idea about what was announced they are going to concentrate on the US/UK vs axis side of the western battles.
This might mean they will keep italian aircraft and who knows maybe even add a few more?.
Heres some i think have to be added if we really want AH to resemble the real thing:
A B24 liberator has to be added when you think it flew the most bomber sorties of any of the heavies. We need some of the earlier 190s and very early P51s/P47s and P38s and we need to add some of the strange ideas the LW used like their sturm 190s and me410s with BK5 50mm etc.
We'd also need an allied Tank to match the panzer or to be matched against the panzer :)
so sherman or matilda or churchill or similar is needed.
You'd also need an axis paratroop aircraft and halftrack so Sdkf and ju52
Then you need to add maybe an axis armoured car(puma?), an axis heavy bomber (italian maybe?) and a few later versions of the ju88.
The thing with AH is we have a mass of different aircraft but no one theatre of operations has been covered fully. We have lots of western types but many crucial types arent there.The pacific planeset is much much better now but even that needs quite a few to fill it out. I mean whats the pacific without a douglas dauntless?? or a betty bomber?
Im hoping HTC will add a few but i suspect it might be a huge task just to redo the aircraft we have now.
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Hazed,
We already have the Douglas Dauntles. Its a nice 1943 version that is well matched against our 1937 D3A1 "Val".:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by artik
USAF
P-80 - american operational jet fighter
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It never saw any combat service and by the time the US jet was ready, most prop planes in the ETO were just as fast, if not faster. If we do get it, it would probably be the only non-perked jet fighter in the game.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by GScholz
The 163s first operational sortie was on the 16th of August 1944 intercepting B-17s. At the time of VE-Day on May 8th 1945 the 163 had seen 10 months of service. The fact that they only scored nine confirmed victories does not mean they saw little action.
The 262 became operational with Erprobungskommando 262 (EKdo262), III./ZG 26 in April of 1944 and scored its first victory of a Mosquito on July 26, 1944. By the time of VE-Day on May 8th 1945 the 262 had seen 13 months of service with the LW.
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Actually GScholz, the 163 saw little service when comparing them to the P38 or P51, LIKE I SAID IF U WOULD HAVE READ IT RIGHT!! But its ok, and the 163 may have seen many months of action, but pilots who flew them rarely even made it to the bomber groups due to bad plastics and rubbers made in that era. The plastics would deteriorate from the corrosive fuel it was carrying. Therefore it would kill the pilot even b4 the pilot reached the planes!! Which is another reason that the 163 scored so few kills. As a whole only a FEW NUMBERED pilots even dared to fly it. :)
Second, the 262 (AGAIN) saw little service when comparing them to the P38 or P51. Yes they were made and flew early, but they didnt have enuf raw materials or metal to make the jet engines, so the planes just sat on runways (only the frames) rotting in the sun. So u were right if u were saying there were many made or if u were saying they saw many months of fighting. BUT u were wrong if u were saying many flew, because many were made but only a fraction of them even got off the ground. UNLIKE THE P38 and P51!!!!!!!!!!!!
BEANS101 OUT!!!
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
Originally posted by devious
German:
DEVIOUS, Listen to this man!! There is 1 plane in particular on his wishlist that is my main choice to see!! The 190D-11!!!! But.. Since few were made and used mainly my only one squad (JV44 Wurger Staffel) it is almost certain we wont see it :(. But if it somehow manages to find its way into AH2 you can DEFFENETLY expect to see me around for a long time HTC! And ill go recruit some more customers for you. LW FOREVER!
XtrmeJ, i dont wanna burst ur bubble but LW SUCKS!!! LOL jk man, no u just say LW Forever, because u havent flown the american planes much, like the P51 or P38 :). Once u start flying those, u will b a believer just like i am now!!
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Originally posted by hazed-
We'd also need an allied Tank to match the panzer or to be matched against the panzer :)
NOW Hazed, i think we can finally agree on something. I think the M36 tank killer w/a 90mm gun would b a KILLER hehe. Or another spectacular choice would b the M60. Both are a spectacular choice when picking a tank to combat the strength of the Tiger or Panzer.
Then you need to add maybe an axis armoured car(puma?)
But im sorry to say it. THIS IS DUMB, what purpose would an armored car do in this game. It is lightly armored, an M16 could probably kill it, and it has poor defensive weapons. The only good i can see in this case is being something like the M3 for a troop carrier. Anyhow, an armored car sounds dumb to me.
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Come on Beans, what the hell are you talking about? No 163 ever had an operational accident involving engine explosion in the air. Some had accidents on the ground though. The reason they shot so few bombers down was because they were just too fast to use their guns effectivly, much like the 262. Thats why the Germans started using the 50mm mortars instead at the very end of the war. 364 Me163's flew operationally, and many of them were actually shot down as they glided for home.
A total of 1433 Me262 were delivered to the Luftwaffe complete with engines. The fact that the LW also deployed the Ar234 which used the same engines as the 262 sugests that there were engines available. Several 262 were actually servicable on VE-Day, and were flown to England by allied pilots.
3923 P-38L's were made in WWII.
On you blatant but jokingly slight at LW iron: I've seen your stats and they are rather impressive, but they more reflect your flying style and/or skill. Interestingly your most succesfully flown plane is the Nikki, a plane I find very easy to fight in LW planes. The P-51 and P-38 were both good planes, but there were compromises made that really make them rather average performers. The F6F is the US plane I have the most respect for in AH, I can't even remember the last time a P-51D got me, I think a B got me this tour though. I do remember the last time a P-38 got me though, it was Hooligan, and AKAK before that. What I'm trying to say is once a pilot learns the pros and cons of LW iron it takes a good stick to beat em in a P-51 or a P-38. I see your newfound love is the F4U-1C, a plane I find quite enjoyable to fight. These days it's the Russian and sometimes British hardware that proves the greatest challenges in the MA.
If you're interested I'll be happy to hand you your donut in a duel. I'll fly a LW prop-fighter, and you'll fly whatever US iron you want.
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Interestingly, of the 440 kills you have so far in this tour only 12 were Fw's and only 4 D9's. Also you got only 4 109G10's. Hmmmmm.
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Me262 flew more combat sorties and shot more aircraft down and were produced in greater numbers than the F4UC.
For that matter the 163 probably comes close to matching the F4Uc. I dont see Allied types saying anything about us having that in AH. :D
Beans? the armoured car is pointless? we have an allied M8 armoured car so why not have the axis counterpart? thepuma was faster and fielded a 50mm gun which makes it a far better choice than the M8 we have.
True Id rather have a light tank but then things become unballanced again meaning the allies would need a similar light tank.The puma was purely so both sides have a fast armoured scout.
As for your choice of M60 you must be crazy, It had a terrible open turret configeration that would mean your m60 is totally exposed to aircraft mg's of even the smallest caliber.
A matchup or match for the panzer 4 not a totally different m60 please!
M36 with the 90mm was incedibly rare and would have to be perked i think to stop it being used constantly to kill tigers.No one will use a tiger if it costs 50 perks and anyone can kill it for free with a quick m36 spawn.
We need the sherman M4 which although far less effective as a tank it was the most common type on the battlefields of Europe.
We need a tank with 75mm or 76mm or similar FIRST.Then we can think about tanks like the m60. M60 would be useless in all scenarios apart from very late war ones which again makes it a poor choice. One thing I think AH should always reflect is the fact that generally the Germans fielded the most advanced tanks of their day but the fielded them in very small numbers.Tanks like the tiger were far in advance of the allied tanks it generally faced but it was outnumbered.AH arenas need to reflect this and it seems HTC have given it a perk cost to reflect this.
If we do get the sherman i would say it should be free to use whereas the panzerIV should have a small cost(in scenarios etc) to reflect availability.What we need to have is large numbers of allied sherman tank platoons facing smaller numbers of panzers.That would be more similar to the real battles at least.I liked one persons idea of having a sherman formation so you get 3 tanks to use like the bombers whereas the panzer would not get this.when you fire the other 2 drones take a pot shot at your target with you :)
If HTC skips the common allied tanks and adds a very late war allied tank with a better than 88mm gun I think id stop using the GV's altogether. Ive no interest in simulating a totally unreal battlefield. I want to see similar stuff to games like panzer commander and the best game ever made 'sherman m4' hehe. it was such a basic game but it was the first time i played a computer game that simulated the tank we all built as models when we were kids.Later we can add the firefly or similar but please at first lets have the most produced tank of them all.
Does anyone else see HTC adding russian planes before some of those on karnaks list?
I would be suprised if they did.Theres so few russian aircraft at the moment that in order to fully simulate the russian front they would need to add loads of aircraft we currently dont have.
The western front has the most aiircraft covered. I'd guess this is where they will concentrate their efforts and that might even mean the russian and japanese aircraft are the last models to be updated in AH2.
I justhad a horrible thought. Are HTC going to have AH2 Tod a proper axis vs allies setup? God i hope they are! If it is setup like a 3 country war with any side using any aircraft I think that will be the final straw for me. I couldnt stand a career mode set up with 109s shooting down ju88s!
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I want same planes but some of the artwork re-done on them.
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Woo GScholz thats right! Keepin the LW alive man! Ill say it again... LW Forever!(http://www.phillyjunglemassive.com/board/images/smiles/slayer)
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just read my sig :D
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I'm amazed at the one plane thats missing...I dont think it ever saw active service since it wasnt really needed...but it would of changed the very nature of the war had it been deployed (IMO).
Obviously the jets would of taken over alot of the fight (on both sides)...but the Tigercat was the WW2 equivalent of the F-15...capable of fighting any plane in either theater air to air but with an air to ground capacity beyond anything else available.
Actually guess it would be F-14 since originally it was designed for carrier ops.
Engines: Two 2,100hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-34W Double Wasp 18-cylinder radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 16,270 lbs., Max Takeoff 25,720 lbs.
Wing Span: 51ft. 6in.
Length: 45ft. 4.5in.
Height: 16ft. 7in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 22,200 ft: 435 mph
Cruising Speed at 5,000 ft: 222 mph
Initial Climb Rate: 4,500 feet per minute
Ceiling: 40,700 ft.
Range: 1,200 miles
Armament:
Four 20mm (0.79-inch) cannon in wing roots
Four 12.7mm (0.5-inch) machine guns in nose
One torpedo under fuselage
2,000 lbs. of bombs (1,000 lbs. under each wing)
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190A3, A4, A6 and A9.
Early P38s and Yaks.
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Originally posted by GScholz
On you blatant but jokingly slight at LW iron: I've seen your stats and they are rather impressive, but they more reflect your flying style and/or skill. Interestingly your most succesfully flown plane is the Nikki, a plane I find very easy to fight in LW planes. The P-51 and P-38 were both good planes, but there were compromises made that really make them rather average performers. The F6F is the US plane I have the most respect for in AH, I can't even remember the last time a P-51D got me, I think a B got me this tour though. I do remember the last time a P-38 got me though, it was Hooligan, and AKAK before that. What I'm trying to say is once a pilot learns the pros and cons of LW iron it takes a good stick to beat em in a P-51 or a P-38. I see your newfound love is the F4U-1C, a plane I find quite enjoyable to fight. These days it's the Russian and sometimes British hardware that proves the greatest challenges in the MA.
If you're interested I'll be happy to hand you your donut in a duel. I'll fly a LW prop-fighter, and you'll fly whatever US iron you want.
OH MAN, u have done it now.
OK first of all, i fly a new plane every month, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT JUST HAPPENED TO B THE NIKI. Look at the month b4 that, not one kill in the NIKI, NOT ONE!!! It was probably the P51 or P38, or maybe the F6F the one u mostly enjoy. But for u to just judge me on one month, or one plane i fly is just plain IDIOTIC and LOW. Although i will let u hand me my AZZ. In fact ill tape record it so everyone can watch the action, ill leave a website u can watch it at:D !! I love a challenge.
Second, the reason i dont shoot down alot of LW planes is because NOBODY FLIES THEM. I shoot anything in front of me PERIOD. I dont care if it is a Spit NIK La7 190 109 110 or a U-2 or SR-71, i dont give a damn!! So b4 u go running your mouth about my tactics, shooting capabilities or ability to fly IT WILL B MY PLEASURE TO HAND U YOUR AZZ.... sort of speak!!
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Originally posted by hazed-
Me262 flew more combat sorties and shot more aircraft down and were produced in greater numbers than the F4UC.
Beans? the armoured car is pointless? we have an allied M8 armoured car so why not have the axis counterpart? thepuma was faster and fielded a 50mm gun which makes it a far better choice than the M8 we have.
True Id rather have a light tank but then things become unballanced again meaning the allies would need a similar light tank.The puma was purely so both sides have a fast armoured scout.
hazed, u r talking dumb. When u compare a plane u compare it to all models. The F4U1C was one of the F4Us that they made the fewest of DUH. Therefore u cant compare them to the 163.
Second i agree it would b nice to have a LW armored car to counter the M8, but if u think of who is dominating the ground it is the LW. We dont need anymore LW GVs for a long time. That is all we have. We need something to counter it. Like the M60 or M36, do u c what i mean. So when u say "when things become unballanced again" u r being stupid. LW RULES THE GROUND. WE DONT EVEN HAVE A HEAVY ALLIED TANK, ITS ALREADY UNBALLANCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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God I love your logic Beans! Yes YES! Let's have the 190D11 then ... it's a 190 right? and the 190 was made in huge numbers right? and the 109K4 and the K6 and the K14!!! YES BY GOD LET IT BE SO!!!!! :D :D :D
I love a good challenge! When and where?
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Originally posted by hazed-
I liked one persons idea of having a sherman formation so you get 3 tanks to use like the bombers whereas the panzer would not get this.when you fire the other 2 drones take a pot shot at your target with you
You know hazed u come up with some good ideas, ill have to give u that. The three tanks to one thing like the bomber formations sounds like a really good idea!!
Are HTC going to have AH2 Tod a proper axis vs allies setup? God i hope they are! If it is setup like a 3 country war with any side using any aircraft I think that will be the final straw for me. I couldnt stand a career mode set up with 109s shooting down ju88s!
Second an Axis vs Allies setup sounds GREAT too!!! Like the CT!! It would be all those who love LW against all those who love american and british planes (mostly)!! But to balance it all out i would volunteer to join the LW to balance out the Axis from the Allies, because everyone likes to fly Allied planes, and i hardly ever see anyone fly LW planes. But it does sound like a good idea. And yes i hope its like that too.
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Well Beans?
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Didnt u get my email gscholz, i told u whenever. I will b on tonight or tomorrow all day, just email me or come get me in the MA!!
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Got the email. Have replied now. :)
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the cannon pony did see action under the designation A36A Invader. It was a version of the P51A modified as a dive bomber.
Planes i like to see include:
B24D
B24J
B29
He-219
ME-410
Bf109K-14
Fiat G55
Re-2005
Gloster Meteor Mk. III(jet)
HE 177
B25H,J
Spitfire XII
just to name a few
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THANK U m109, greatly appreciated man, u can leave ur choice in a plane if u would like to also bro!! <
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Hey Beans
.....your gonna get roasted bud.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Hey Beans
.....your gonna get roasted bud. (here and the DA lol)
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Originally posted by Tumor
they shouldn't put the "edit" button so close to the "quote" button :p
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Originally posted by Beans101
Originally posted by hazed-
I liked one persons idea of having a sherman formation so you get 3 tanks to use like the bombers whereas the panzer would not get this.when you fire the other 2 drones take a pot shot at your target with you
If they fixed the Panzer glitch which allows it to get hit squarely in the rear end by 6-18 shells before exploding then you wouldn't need 3 Shermans.
There is a small defect wherein if you are too close to a panzer and hit it dead square in the buttocks you stop the motor but that's about it. Most tanks did not take well to direct hits at 20 feet in the bellybutton end.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Tumor
Hey Beans
.....your gonna get roasted bud.
Naw, Beans did most of the roasting in the DA. Too bad we didn't get to do more dissimilar ACM between LW and US planes (as was the original plan) so I could show him LW planes are atleast equal to the US ones.
Beans is an excellent pilot, and only in the LW planes (and the hurri) could I achieve some sort of parity with his skills.
(you're on my target list now Beans!)
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Thanks GScholz, i appreciate it man, but yes, i told u i was gunna leave a website for u all to watch the movie, but i forgot to record it!! :( Sorry Anyway, they were very close matches, GS scored one kill on me out of the six, but i just got REALLY lucky the other 5 times. He is a really good pilot. My hats off to him!! <
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I want a Yak 3 in Normandie-Niemen color ...
And I don't care of GScholz opinion :)
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some early british mustangs had cannon but they were unreliable and not used much
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It never saw any combat service and by the time the US jet was ready, most prop planes in the ETO were just as fast, if not faster. If we do get it, it would probably be the only non-perked jet fighter in the game.
Ack-Ack
Really? We had prop planes that could go 550+ mph? WOW!! I didn't know that!! ;)
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I'd like to see:
1) the F6F model that had 20mm cannons (easy for HTC to accomplish)
2) the Bearcat (yea, it may have not seen combat in WWII, but it would've had we not nuked Japan.)
3) the A-26 Invader (not as a perk; I was disappointed when I found that HTC left the Vader out of the original plane set)
F4i
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spitfire VC with 4x20mm too then? :)
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Originally posted by F4i
2) the Bearcat (yea, it may have not seen combat in WWII, but it would've had we not nuked Japan.)
I want a vulcan bomber and eurofighter typhoon, if wwii was still going on they would have seen combat!
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Well, hell...it looks like we all want more firepower; so, let's just scrub Aces High 2 & make Aces High - Vietnam. :D I want a Phantom or Mig.
F4i
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lol f4i! we need 'Aces High - Operation KnitRook Freedom'!
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Originally posted by Beans101
Originally posted by hazed-
Then you need to add maybe an axis armoured car(puma?)
But im sorry to say it. THIS IS DUMB, what purpose would an armored car do in this game. It is lightly armored, an M16 could probably kill it, and it has poor defensive weapons. The only good i can see in this case is being something like the M3 for a troop carrier. Anyhow, an armored car sounds dumb to me.
BEANS101 OUT!!
Oh, I don't know abou that, beans. I have been killed by well-driven m8s a lot. They sneak up behind you and take out the turret. IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY. But then I get over it and reup...
And yes, bring the Tank Destroyer to AH!! the M36, please!!
shubie
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Originally posted by GScholz
Pray we don't get the Yak-3. It will own the MA.
They have the Yak-3 in Fighter Ace. It doesn't rule there.
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Originally posted by F4i
I'd like to see:
1) the F6F model that had 20mm cannons (easy for HTC to accomplish)
2) the Bearcat (yea, it may have not seen combat in WWII, but it would've had we not nuked Japan.)
3) the A-26 Invader (not as a perk; I was disappointed when I found that HTC left the Vader out of the original plane set)
F4i
Which model of the F6F Hellcat had 20mm cannon??
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
Which model of the F6F Hellcat had 20mm cannon??
Later models could substitute two 20 mm guns for the two inboard .50 calibers.
:D I want it! :)
It'd be sooooooo easy for HTC to make.
F4i
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It never saw any combat service and by the time the US jet was ready, most prop planes in the ETO were just as fast, if not faster. If we do get it, it would probably be the only non-perked jet fighter in the game.
Ack-Ack
You are absolutely right about the service issues, but don't underestimate the performance of the P80A (first production version) Follow this link to information:
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p80_4.html
Quoting from that link:
"Specification of the P-80A:
Engine: One General Electric J33-GE-11 or Allison J33-A-9 turbojet, rated at 3850 lb.s.t. Later production blocks powered by 4000 lb.s.t. Allison J33-A-17. Dimensions: wingspan 38 feet 10 1/2 inches (without wingtip tanks), length 34 feet 6 inches, height 11 feet 4 inches, and wing area 237.6 square feet Weights were 7920 pounds empty, 11,700 pounds gross, and 14,000 pounds maximum takeoff. Fuel load: 425 US gallons normal, 885 US gallons maximum. Performance: Maximum speed was 558 mph at sea level and 492 mph at 40,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 4580 feet/minute, and an altitude of 20,000 feet could be attained in 5.5 minutes. Service ceiling was 45,000 feet. Normal range was 780 miles, and maximum range was 1440 miles. Armament: Six 0.50-inch machine guns"
Comparing that to the Me262:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap11.htm
Quoting from that link:
SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 41 ft.
Length: 34 ft. 9 in.
Height: 11 ft. 4 in.
Weight: 15,600 lbs.
Armament: Four 30mm MK-108 cannons, plus 1,000 lbs. of bombs.
Engines: Two Junkers Jumo 004s of 1,980 lbs. thrust ea.
Crew: One
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 540 mph.
Cruising speed: 460 mph.
Range: 650 miles
Service Ceiling: 38,000 ft. "
Do I think a P80A could take on the Me262? Probably, unless it was an unmanueverable sled. It was lighter, faster, had almost exactly the same thrust, and had a higher service ceiling. The performance numbers aren't that different, though.
Should we have it in AH? No.
PS. You may have been thinking of the Meteor, whose figures go like this:
Nicknames: Meatbox; Meaty potato; Phantom Diver (T7 version); Reaper (Meteor GAF version)
Specifications (F.Mk I):
Engines: Two 1,700-pound thrust Rolls-Royce W.2B/23C Welland turbojets
Weight: Empty 8,140 lbs., Max Takeoff 13,795 lbs.
Wing Span: 43ft. 0in.
Length: 41ft. 3in.
Height: 13ft. 0in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 10,000 ft: 415 mph
Ceiling: 40,000 ft.
Range: 550 miles
Armament: Four 20-mm cannon
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Sorry, P-61 was a night fighter but could also carry a 6,400lb load(Not too shabby). It would be a welcomed addition.
It would be nice to see some more choices for heavy bombers. ...B-29,B-24,Ju188,He111.
P-39 or P-63 would be great to see also.
Do 335 would make a great perk plane:-)
Nakajima Ki-84
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden
La-9,La-11
Fiat G.55
Reggiane Re 2005
Just a few lol.
I have specs and data on all of the listed above plus some.
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
They have the Yak-3 in Fighter Ace. It doesn't rule there.
Get a guy called Ajax to show you how to fly it.
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I would like to see(Only bomber):
Consolidated B-24 Liberator(USA)
North American B-25 Mitchell(USA)
Avro Manchester(Great Britain)
Short Stirling(Great Britain)
Dornier Do 17, Do 215 and Do 217(Germany)
Savoia marchetti SM 81(Italy)
Douglas A-26/B-26 Invader(USA)
Heinkel He 177(Germany)
Blackburn Skua(Great Britain)
Fairey Barracuda(Great Britain)
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Originally posted by MajorDay
Avro Manchester(Great Britain)
Blackburn Skua(Great Britain)
Fairey Barracuda(Great Britain)
Just out of interest, why these 3?
I understand the Stirling, but the Manchester was a failure (until they modified it to make the Lancaster. Only 190 or so Skua's were made and these were quickly taken out of service. The Barracuda was ok but i think the Fairey Firefly would be much more useful in AH
And rshubert, those meteor specifications are from the Mk.I, only 20 of them were built before switching production to the Mk.III (210 built during the war)
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Originally posted by Furball
Just out of interest, why these 3?
I understand the Stirling, but the Manchester was a failure (until they modified it to make the Lancaster. Only 190 or so Skua's were made and these were quickly taken out of service. The Barracuda was ok but i think the Fairey Firefly would be much more useful in AH
Oh. I didn't know Manchester was a failure and thanks for telling me that. :)
I found more bomber i like to add:
Heinkel He 111(Germany)
Martin Maryland(Great Britain)
Cant Z.1007 Alcione(Italy)
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
They have the Yak-3 in Fighter Ace. It doesn't rule there.
Don't know what model Yak-3 they have. The 1942-1943 model didn't rule, but the 1944 one did. The LW issued orders in 1944 that no LW pilot should engage a Yak with no oil cooler under the nose (Yak-3) under 15k feet, under no circumstanses.
Fighter Ace prolly models the 1943 Yak-3 with the VK-105 engine (same as Yak-9T). It's performance wasn't stellar, but good. The 1944 (January)VK-107 engined (same as Yak-9U) Yak-3 had 1,650 hp in a 4,960 lbs shortened airframe. In comparison the Yak-9U weighs in at 6,988 lbs. It has more horsepower than the P-51D but only 2/3rds of the weight.
The Yak-3 (VK-107) has very impressive performance figures:
Maximum speed at sea level: 447 mph
Initial climb rate: 5,250 ft/min
Service ceiling: 35,450 ft
It's only shortcomming is it's dismal range, only 506 miles.
It was a very small point defence fighter (like the Mig-15 and 21 later on) with the most powerful liquid-cooled engine the Russians had, and had the same basic armament as the Yak-9U (1x20mm, 2x12,7mm).
(http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/Yak3-3.jpg)
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According to Encyclopedia of the World's Combat Aircraft, by Bill Gunston, the VK-107 engined version was too late to see combat in WWII.
They Luftwaffe did indeed receive a directive to avoid combat below 5000 meters with Yakovlev fighters lacking an oil cooler under the nose.
So far as I can tell from all the pictures I've seen of Yak-3 fighters, NONE of them had an oil cooler under the nose.
In Fighter Ace, the Yak-3 is described as being "...probably the most agile monoplane fighter of WWII."
In any event, it still doesn't rule. Maybe it would, if someone formed a squadron and fought properly with it. But since there are machines faster than it is, that is about the only way I see it happening.
Although, I had good luck with it against some guys flying P-51D Mustangs.
I do love that picture you posted though. :)
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I'm reading the "Allied Fighters of World War II" also by Bill Gunston. It states that the service delivery of the VK-107 engined Yak-3's as "no later than January 1944".
Yes all the Yak-3 had the oil-cooler moved to the wing roots, that's how the LW identified it as Yak-3, however the order went out in 1944.
"On 14 July 1944 a force of 18 met 30 Luftwaffe fighters and destroyed 15 for the loss of one Yak-3. Small wonder that, offered all available Soviet, British or American fighters, the Normandie-Niemen Group changed from the Yak-9 to the Yak-3 and scored the last 99 of their 273 victories on these machines. It was natural that the more powerful VK-107 engine should have been fitted to the Yak-3, though the designation was not changed. After prolonged trials in early 1944 the Soviet test centre judged the 107-engined aircraft to be 60-70 mph faster than either a Bf 109G or an Fw190."
In my book it says nothing about it being too late, quite the contrary.
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In the History section, my book says the following:
first flight (-3) Spring 1943; service delivery (-3) about July 1943; (-3 with VK-107) not later than January 1944
Problem is, that leaves us assuming they meant service delivery without really saying directly, "service delivery. In the main text I read the following:
It was natural that the more powerful VK-107 engine should have been fitted to the Yak-3, though the designation was not changed. After prolonged trials in early 1944 the Soviet test centre judged the 107-engined aircraft to be 60-70 mph faster than either a Bf-109G or an Fw 190, but the re-engined aircraft was just too late to see action in World War II.
What can I say, that's what it says!
In either event, it appears that even the first version of the Yak-3 was considered a worthy opponent for the Luftwaffe.
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The Yak-3 with the Vk-107 engine did not enter service in time to see action in WWII. It's first action was in Korea IIRC.
They tested it a began building it during WWII, but it just missed out on seeing service in WWII.
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Originally posted by m109
the cannon pony did see action under the designation A36A Invader. It was a version of the P51A modified as a dive bomber.
The A36A had dive brakes, 6x.50s (4 in wings, 2 lower fuselage), 2x500lb bombs and to my knowledge it never had 20mm cannons. There was one on loan from the US to Duxford museum a year or two ago - very pretty plane.
The US did keep 57 P51A's and redesignated them F-6A's, fitted with cameras in rear fuselage.
The RAF originally placed an order for 150 of the Mustang Mk1A (20mm cannons). These were mostly fitted with cameras too and operated within Army-Cooperation (AC) squadrons.
(http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/P51.jpg)
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Replicant,
I LOVE U :D !!!
Excellent Feed back man and i love the picture:p
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We have night, but no night-fighters...
And a Ju52, pls
He111?
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They have the Ju-52 and the HE-111 in Fighter Ace. But no Italian planes. Also the Pe-8.
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
They have the Ju-52 and the HE-111 in Fighter Ace. But no Italian planes. Also the Pe-8.
They also have
Do 217e
Do217j night fighter
Me109K
Tojo 4 x 20mm and 2 x 37mm versions
Ki84a
Ki84c
Oscar
Betty
B25
P39
Yak1
Yak3
Lend lease Hurri 20mm and 12.7
Lend lease P39
Tu2
Pe8
Lag3
additions would be nice for CT and events - mostly people will just fly the usual Spit9, La7, P51 in the main arena.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
additions would be nice for CT and events - mostly people will just fly the usual Spit9, La7, P51 in the main arena.
Except for me. ;)
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
Except for me. ;)
ok maybe the Ki84c with 2 x 30mm and 2 x 20mm and a flight model like the Spit 9 would be a leetle popular.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
ok maybe the Ki84c with 2 x 30mm and 2 x 20mm and a flight model like the Spit 9 would be a leetle popular.
Actually, I like the P-39 and the I-16 :)
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If the uber Yak-3 never saw action in WWII, I have nothing to be worried about. :)
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The NN was using Yak3 with M-105 PF-2 1222 HP engine.
And this engine was not very reliable ...
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
Actually, I like the P-39 and the I-16 :)
Only if they're modelled like they are in IL2 FB - with an extra 500hp, tachyon cannon and the invisible force field....
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Only if they're modelled like they are in IL2 FB - with an extra 500hp, tachyon cannon and the invisible force field....
Geez, I hope you're kidding!
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
Geez, I hope you're kidding!
hehe - yep - just having a dig at FB - was horrified after trying their online "war" to see the Rata taking off and doing a loop before it had reached the end of the runway.
AH might have it's faults but I don't see the endless posts about
incorrect flight characteristics that I've seen from other sims.
FB is my opinion is a piece rubbish (insert more emotive word) that come's in a pretty packaging and it's designer is running his own agenda when it comes to depicting the a/c - Soviet's are world beaters and the P47's, 190's etc etc just can't compete with Russian technology cause it's the best in the world - course they couldn't make a tractor that works but....
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Yeah, I've run into that garbage before. I forget the URL, but there's a website put up by a Russian who tries to make it look like most, if not all US victory claims in the Korean war were imaginary, where as, of course, the Russians who fought secretly in that war were the best thing since sliced bread.
Oh, and apparently Erich Hartmann's 352 victories were mostly imaginary too.
The only question he hasn't answered is, if they were, why did the Russians put him in prison for 10 years AFTER WWII?
I've not seen IL-2/FB, and likely won't. I have the first one, and gave up on it after about 2 weeks of trying to play it.
I've not tried to loop an I-16 right after take off in FA, but I don't think it can be done. ;)
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I suppose you are speaking to the immediat moment just after rotation ?
Because if you wait a bit to build a bit of speed you can loop just after take off in any plane it's not impossible .
There is a huge risk to end "splat" on the runway I agree :).
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That of course is the idea, not to go splat. ;)
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B29 with a nuke :D
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4jd comma|\|do pilotz with siX0r or seven weaponz just liuek other first pirson shoatrs. LOLOOLOLOLOL KNuX0rls, pistol, assault r1fle, snipaR rifl;E,, flame thrOwing rifle,b azooKa and suircase nuke bobm,, LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11~~~ u suX0R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1~ wait that's 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I WILL HAx0R Y0U BECAUSE YOU R LAmE
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UMMMMMM, Arlo, we didnt understand a word u were trying to say. Maybe u could b a little more specific than LLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! k;gfahgl;a LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! but if u wanna leave a discussion about a plane or leave a plane u would like to c in AHII then go ahead man.
Second, im starting to see alot of people wanting the He111. This plane is probably the plane most people have said they wanted. But keep sending in your oppinions please.
<> Beans101 Out!!
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
Oh, and apparently Erich Hartmann's 352 victories were mostly imaginary too.
The only question he hasn't answered is, if they were, why did the Russians put him in prison for 10 years AFTER WWII?
Because they put all German soldiers in prison, and officers got it worse. Anyone with a reputation under the Soviet System--truth or propaganda--likely was singled out. Soviet incarceration has zero bearing on Hartmann's claims.
You do understand how few Germans emerged form the former SU after the war relative to the number they captured? This has nothing to do with Hartmann's claims, it is all due to the hatred between these belligerents.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Beans101
UMMMMMM, Arlo, we didnt understand a word u were trying to say. Maybe u could b a little more specific than LLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! k;gfahgl;a LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! but if u wanna leave a discussion about a plane or leave a plane u would like to c in AHII then go ahead man.
Second, im starting to see alot of people wanting the He111. This plane is probably the plane most people have said they wanted. But keep sending in your oppinions please.
<> Beans101 Out!!
Welcome to Ace's High. ;)
Have you ever seen this website?
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I occasionally have to use it if I want my sarcasm understood by specific sub-cultures. Unfortunately ... it's not foolproof. :)
"opinions"
The He-111 would be an asset to the scenario/event crowd.
So would several other planes from the SCW era.
And a Spanish terrain. :D
"Beans101" (you don't know beans!) Hehe ... I like it. ;)
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This may have been asked one million times already; so, here's the 1,000,001st time:
Where in the hell is the A-26 Invader?!?
:D
F4i
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Originally posted by Sakai
Because they put all German soldiers in prison, and officers got it worse. Anyone with a reputation under the Soviet System--truth or propaganda--likely was singled out. Soviet incarceration has zero bearing on Hartmann's claims.
You do understand how few Germans emerged form the former SU after the war relative to the number they captured? This has nothing to do with Hartmann's claims, it is all due to the hatred between these belligerents.
Sakai
I understand what you're saying. But I was under the impression that the German Luftwaffe did not verify claims on the pilot's word alone. Yet, according to this Russian website, many of Hartmann's 352 claims were listed only in letters home to his wife!!
I find that hard to believe.
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I would realy like to see the P-82 twin mustang put into the game cause after all two mustangs are better than one :)
http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/p82.php
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Originally posted by acewind
I would realy like to see the P-82 twin mustang put into the game cause after all two mustangs are better than one :)
http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/p82.php
I'm sure that'd be a great way to kill two Knits at the same time. :D
F4i
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What I would like to see myself, among some other planes (as many planes as possible, vehicles and ships as well) would be the Romanian IAR80/81, and the American B17 Flying Fortress.
IAR 80/81 and B-17 Flying Fortress in my opinion are very interesting planes, and I would really like to see them in the game.
THANK YOU!!!
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Originally posted by Diablomax
What I would like to see myself, among some other planes (as many planes as possible, vehicles and ships as well) would be the Romanian IAR80/81, and the American B17 Flying Fortress.
IAR 80/81 and B-17 Flying Fortress in my opinion are very interesting planes, and I would really like to see them in the game.
THANK YOU!!!
Um, we already have the B-17G in the game...
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Originally posted by Karnak
The Yak-3 with the Vk-107 engine did not enter service in time to see action in WWII. It's first action was in Korea IIRC.
They tested it a began building it during WWII, but it just missed out on seeing service in WWII.
does it still have 1x 20mm ShVAKs when it entered in Korea?
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
does it still have 1x 20mm ShVAKs when it entered in Korea?
So far as I know, from the different reference books, the armament did not change when the engine did.
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P-47M
Just becuase it would compete with everything in the arena. A 500 MPH jug here.It was specifically built to be a fighter.
355Th fighter group flew them with great pride and effect.
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Originally posted by Stegahorse
P-47M
Just becuase it would compete with everything in the arena. A 500 MPH jug here.It was specifically built to be a fighter.
355Th fighter group flew them with great pride and effect.
Yes, for about what three weeks?
They were based in England?
The N model actually did escort duty in the Pacific, I'd much rather see that. If we had the M, it would be perked just under the 262.
Sakai
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We need a B29 with a nuke!!!!
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We already have too many late war rides. We need more aircraft to fill the early/mid war planeset.
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Originally posted by Furball
We already have too many late war rides. We need more aircraft to fill the early/mid war planeset.
Well that is quite accurate.
And we need some Biplanes right off.
Gloster Glad
Cr42
He-1i1 would be nice, and could we please get the Sally in the Pac so Brady stops putting the Ki-67 into 1941 scenarios . . .
Sakai
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2 US planes that deserve a place in AH2 are the B24 and the B25. These are both early and mid war planes that were used extensively in WWII.
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Originally posted by Inferno
2 US planes that deserve a place in AH2 are the B24 and the B25. These are both early and mid war planes that were used extensively in WWII.
Medium bombers, need several:
B-25
Sm79 or Cant 1007
Il-4
Wellington
Sally/Helen
He-111
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I'd like to see the Droop Snoot/Pathfinder variant P-38, although I can see how that could get a little unbalancing. Maybe as a perk plane, since so few people would want to spend perk points on a bomber.
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Originally posted by Sakai
Well that is quite accurate.
And we need some Biplanes right off.
Gloster Glad
Cr42
He-1i1 would be nice, and could we please get the Sally in the Pac so Brady stops putting the Ki-67 into 1941 scenarios . . .
Sakai
Dont forget the Swordfish Mk 1 :)
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I think one cool thing that could be added would be the ability to airlift light ground vehicles into areas where you would not expect gv's to be i.e. the M-8 M-16 probably not the panzers though, This could be done by adding the Messerschmitt Me 323 which could carry light vehicles here is a link so you can see what it looks like:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/me323.html
just an idea hope you like it :)
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German
He-111
Do-17
Ju-52
Russian
Pe-2
Mig-3
Yak-1
SB-2 (light bomber)
Italian
Cant 1007 torpedo bomber
Re-2000
Mc-200
CR-42 (biplane fighter)
Japanese
Ki-43 (THE MAJOR ARMY PLANE OF THE WAR)
B4M Betty (medium bomber)
Sally (light bomber)
Ki-44 Shoki (Tojo)
Kawasaki Ki-100 Goshikisen
Ki-84 Hayate (Frank)
American
B-25 Mitchell (many variants)
British
Fairey Type 100 Barracuda (FAA divebomber)
Beaufighter
Gloster Gladiator (biplane fighter)
French
Dewoitine 520
Potez (light bomber)
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Originally posted by acewind
I think one cool thing that could be added would be the ability to airlift light ground vehicles into areas where you would not expect gv's to be i.e. the M-8 M-16 probably not the panzers though, This could be done by adding the Messerschmitt Me 323 which could carry light vehicles here is a link so you can see what it looks like:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/me323.html
just an idea hope you like it :)
The Me-321, which was the exact same plane but was a glider, could carry a panzer.
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You are correct it could carry up to the panzer IV (assuming it would fit through the cargo doors) at least as far as weight is concerned, it couldn't however carry the Panther or tigers
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WE got enough damn planes already, fast ones , slow ones , little ones , big ones , pretty ones, ugly ones....what this game needs is strat or someway to connect the player to the overall picture on a regular basis. Everyone complains about the planes aready, what is needed ? planes with bigger guns? faster ? prettier? uglier? c'mon cant ya see whats really important? do ya remember when you didnt know that if you bailed out after getting kills that you would increase your ranking by increasing your airkill time? and wasnt it a bummer when you found out people used that alot? This game needs a way to make it personal whether you live , die, succeed, or fail on a single level and in the big picture or guess what? everyone will get bored after time no matter what plane or how many your can choose from. If they can find a way to "connect" the player from noob to ace to the game personally they will bank. Every play a role playing game?
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bfreek u got a point there man, and the Me323 and 321 would b kewl too. Ive never even thought of a huge transport like the 323, but i have thought of things like the Gliders America used behind the C47s. Keep the Oppinions and suggestions comming. I love reading em!!
<> Beans101 OUT!!!
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Originally posted by bfreek
WE got enough damn planes already, fast ones , slow ones , little ones , big ones , pretty ones, ugly ones....what this game needs is strat or someway to connect the player to the overall picture on a regular basis. Everyone complains about the planes aready, what is needed ? planes with bigger guns? faster ? prettier? uglier? c'mon cant ya see whats really important? do ya remember when you didnt know that if you bailed out after getting kills that you would increase your ranking by increasing your airkill time? and wasnt it a bummer when you found out people used that alot? This game needs a way to make it personal whether you live , die, succeed, or fail on a single level and in the big picture or guess what? everyone will get bored after time no matter what plane or how many your can choose from. If they can find a way to "connect" the player from noob to ace to the game personally they will bank. Every play a role playing game?
Have you read what Aces High 2: Tour of Duty is? No, didn't think so.
Well, given that your big concern is being addressed, why don't you let people get make to their aircraft addition fanstasies. It can't hurt anybody.
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I want the Do. 335 Pfiel
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335top.htm
FAST, Big Guns, used lots on Russian Front, with individual throttles you slow the front fan and it turns like a Hyabusa
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Riff and Bun Bun want this one
Gunns
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Do335 never saw combat.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Do335 never saw combat.
Yeah, neither did I but I still fly baby.
;-)
Sakai
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It's a kind of a crap plane in Il-2, but I like the look of her. Bring the MiG-3 to AH rev.2.
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Originally posted by Karnak
why don't you let people get make to their aircraft addition fanstasies. It can't hurt anybody.
Karnak i like your thinking, and thanks for clearing that up!!! Leave all u would like to on your fantasy aricraft. AHII looks interesting and i cant wait to test fly it. But i also need to choose wheather i wanna fly a CH or new Logitech Freedom 2.4. If anyone wants to help me make this decision please tell me IMMEDIATELY!!! Thanks
<> Beans101 Out!!
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Originally posted by Stegahorse
P-47M
Just becuase it would compete with everything in the
355Th fighter group flew them with great pride and effect.
I don't think so.:o
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Originally posted by Linz
We have night, but no night-fighters...
And a Ju52, pls
He111?
We really don't have night, it's more of a faux night in AH and a night fighter would be just as useless as a normal fighter if night will be modeled the same in AH2 as it is in AH. Another potential stumbling block would be the airborne radar that would have to be created for the night fighters.
ack-ack
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then get ride of radar on the map at nighty it never helps anyway a green dot on the map just blends in with the tile and same with a red but what you can do is you put airborn radar on a 110 make the green and red dots brighter so you can see them and that is how night radar would work
skull12
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Originally posted by MrWimpy
According to Encyclopedia of the World's Combat Aircraft, by Bill Gunston, the VK-107 engined version was too late to see combat in WWII.
They Luftwaffe did indeed receive a directive to avoid combat below 5000 meters with Yakovlev fighters lacking an oil cooler under the nose.
So far as I can tell from all the pictures I've seen of Yak-3 fighters, NONE of them had an oil cooler under the nose.
In Fighter Ace, the Yak-3 is described as being "...probably the most agile monoplane fighter of WWII."
In any event, it still doesn't rule. Maybe it would, if someone formed a squadron and fought properly with it. But since there are machines faster than it is, that is about the only way I see it happening.
Although, I had good luck with it against some guys flying P-51D Mustangs.
I do love that picture you posted though. :)
The Yak-3 had one purpose in mind when it was built and that was to beat the FW190D-9 and something it did quite well since below 16,000ft it was faster and more maneuverable than the Dora.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by F4i
Later models could substitute two 20 mm guns for the two inboard .50 calibers.
:D I want it! :)
It'd be sooooooo easy for HTC to make.
F4i
Only the F6F-5N carried a mix of .50 cals and 20mm cannons. It was also capable of carrying 1,000 pounds worth of bombs and 6 5 inch rockets.
F6F Hellcat (http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/plane_profiles/hellcat/hellcat_history.asp)
Ack-Ack
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417 squadron SpitVIII, desert camo, clipped wings, merlin 66 .
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someone might have already mentioned them:
B6N Tenzan "Jill"
D4Y Suisei "Judy"
It's Frustrating trying to fly the D3A1 and B5N2 from 1943-1945.
-Sik
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I think another cool game element which could be added would be the ability to pick up downed piolts with the Sikorsky R-4, R-5, or R-6
(http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/helo/r4/sik.jpg)
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i think the bell p-39 aracobra should see action in ah2. i could care less what version just put one in please. a p-39 is a deadly weapon in the right hands so get one.
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Brewster Buffalo please...
(http://heninen.net/brewster/brewster.gif)
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Originally posted by twist9000
i think the bell p-39 aracobra should see action in ah2. i could care less what version just put one in please. a p-39 is a deadly weapon in the right hands so get one.
Well . . . and it fought thorughout the war in huge numbers and there are many, many variations.
Yes, a P-39 would be wonderful to have, but I'd rather have the I-16 Mosca/Rata.
Sakai
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Originally posted by twist9000
i think the bell p-39 aracobra should see action in ah2. i could care less what version just put one in please. a p-39 is a deadly weapon in the right hands so get one.
If we're going to get the P-39, we should also get the export version, the P-400 that had the 37mm cannon removed and replaced with a 20mm Hispano.
Ack-Ack
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yes i agree the i-16 is a good fighter :) only thing is that you already have russian planes and if memory serves me correctly the russians supplied several to spain to fight in the civil war so why not have spanish markings on them and add a to the currentl number of flyable countries planes it's just a thought but maybe it could happen lol but i think the debate goes on over which fighter we will see personally i hope both make it cause i wont know which one to fly!
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Originally posted by twist9000
yes i agree the i-16 is a good fighter :) only thing is that you already have russian planes and if memory serves me correctly the russians supplied several to spain to fight in the civil war so why not have spanish markings on them and add a to the currentl number of flyable countries planes it's just a thought but maybe it could happen lol but i think the debate goes on over which fighter we will see personally i hope both make it cause i wont know which one to fly!
The earlier I-16, great idea. Later I-16s carried 2x20mms and rockets and were a tad more eastern front.
Sakai
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Here's my Japanese planeset wishlist.
Its a modified version of my old squad's WB3 wish list. Asterisks mark the ones we REALLY need for historical scenarios, ect...
Realy Early war:
A5m4 "Claude" (open cockpit, predecesor to the zero)
G3M2 "Nell" (bomber)
Early-Mid War:
Ki-43 Hayabusa (most common army fighter)*
Ki-45 Toryu (Army Jabo, twin engined, common)*
G4M "Betty" (bomber)*
Mid war:
Ki-44 Shoki (interceptor)
H8K "Emily" (uber flying boat)
B6N Tenzan (replaced the kate, much improved)
D4Y Suisei (replaced the Val, much improved)
Late War:
Ki-84 Hayate (nuff said)*
Ki-100 (perked, maybe)
That should round it out nicely ;)
-bigred
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Originally posted by twist9000
why not have spanish markings on them
Because Spain didn't fight in WW2...
Ack-Ack
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:) :) :) OK GUYS:) :) :)
I think the P-39 would b a great idea, but y not make it so it can stand up to later version planes and go with the P-63 instead. Basically the same plane, but instead has a larger more powerful engine and better armament!!!!!!!!!!!
Just something to think about b4 u guys all get ur mind set on the P-39. BUT.... the P-39 would b a great addition to AH i think!!!
<> Beans101 OUT!!!
P.S. Please leave feedback on why u guys hate my oppinion etc...
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Originally posted by BNM
Brewster Buffalo please...
(http://heninen.net/brewster/brewster.gif)
and I-16 Rata :)
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Originally posted by Holder3
Italian
Cant 1007 torpedo bomber
Re-2000
Mc-200
CR-42 (biplane fighter)
I LOVE U!!! :cool:
....and i have to add...
re 2005(http://www.aldini.it/re2005/Re2005trequarti1s.jpg)
fiat G50 (finnish flag)
(http://www.amivirtual.com/_images/g50fotosec.jpg)
Fiat G55
(http://www.gavs.it/progetti/img/G55g.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because Spain didn't fight in WW2...
Ack-Ack
Did it fight in the .... ahem ...
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Spanish
Civil
War?
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(Which some call the opening shots or prelude to the European WWII theater)
Spanish Civil War! Uberbipes! Dogfight heaven! This is a good thing! It's time has come! Better hurry! Before it's too late. SCW good! Fun stuff! And it's educational! And chocked fulla vitamins and nutrients that are good for your brain! Viva Espania! Hey, there cute seniorita! I come to save you from the bootheels of the Fascists! Got any vino? Maybe a private room? :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
I'm reading the "Allied Fighters of World War II" also by Bill Gunston. It states that the service delivery of the VK-107 engined Yak-3's as "no later than January 1944".
I also have this book and its wrong...........
No yak 3's flew in 1943...... the Yak 1M was under development from thru 42 and Yakovlev wanted to put the cumulation of this work into the Yak 3 then fitted with VK 105. However this work did not take place and the then current Yak 1 went under continous upgrade all the way thru to mid 44.
Other lessons learnt from the Yak 1M were also applied to the Yak 9 variants which were being developed from the Yak 7 which inturn was really a development of an Early Yak 1 trainer.
Development on the Yak 1 m was picked up again in 43 ( It became a sort of development tool) and cumulated in October 43 as an instruction to tool production for the final model then to be designated the Yak3. But the 1st Yak 3 left production for the front in March 44.
Where as the final war time version (April 44) of the heavier Yak 9 (the Yak 9U) did have the VK 107 the Yak 3 did not.
Two early pre production Yak 3's were made to test them with the VK 107.......these tests were conducted through out 44 but early and continued engine problems decided that the Yak 3 be put into production with the VK 105.........infact the VK 105 PF2 with augmented 2nd stage of its supercharger was also an engine development of the Yak 1m at which time the engine was sub coded the M 105PF-2.
The Yak 9U VK 107 was dogged with engine problems thru out 44 and many of these were only solved in early 45.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Yak-3 had one purpose in mind when it was built and that was to beat the FW190D-9 and something it did quite well since below 16,000ft it was faster and more maneuverable than the Dora.
Ack-Ack
Yak 3 preceded the D9 by a considerable period..
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Game over man....
People at the con are reporting no new planes will be added to AH2.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Game over man....
People at the con are reporting no new planes will be added to AH2.
:mad: :mad: IF THIS IS TRUE IM GUNNA B REALLY TICKED OFF:mad: :mad:
But dont get to any conclusions until i find out more!!
<> Beans101 OUT!!
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No new planes? Ever? What's the whole scoop?
Are the plans basically for porting the AH aircraft into AH-II first and then progressing from there?
I could not fathom HTC not working on and including additional aircraft into AH-II in the near term (after AH II/TOD goes into payed production) unless they're intending on branching out into another genre (I don't put any stock into that at all) or are losing staff (certainly hope not).
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Game over man....
People at the con are reporting no new planes will be added to AH2.
Must be drunk_MAW and I'm_On_Crack_MAW. ;)
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Ack-Ack,
Some late production F6F-5s did have 20mm cannon. The barrels of these inboard weapons did not protrude for any great length beyond the edge of the wing, as did the 20mms of the F6F-5N. They were recessed closer to the wing edge just as the inboard .50 calibers had been. The barrels of the two outboard .50 calibers were flush with the edge of the wing. I am uncertain as to how much action these aircraft saw, however I do know that they were flown by Naval Reserve pilots for a few years after the end of the war.
By the way, I have some Grumman engineering data, courtesy of F4UDOA, that gives the lie to long-held belief that the -5 Hellcat's top speed was only 380 mph. This data was published in March of 1945.
At a fighter-normal weight of 11,694 lbs. the -5 could reach a top speed of 401mph using war emergency power at its critical altitude of 20,000 feet.
Tests run by Chance-Vought of the Hellcat also indicated that it could exceed 400mph in level flight.
Naval Air Intelligence conducted tests with a -5 Hellcat against a Zero 52 and then published the results for use by our pilots fighting in the Pacific. Top speed for the Hellcat they used, which must have been in superb condition, was 409 mph.
I wish AH would use these statistics to tweak the fm of the Hellcat.
Regards, Shuckins
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oh but for a perfect world
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I wish AH would use these statistics to tweak the fm of the Hellcat.
Regards, Shuckins
Great info, Shuckins. :) Thank you for posting.
I heard from the grape vine that only about 200 of these cannon-equipped Hellcats were produced. I guess Hitech would seriously consider adding some 20MM's to the plane if we could add another zero to the 200.
Whether this particular version of the F6F is rare or not, I still think Hitech ought to add the cannons. 1) The change would be historically accurate. And, 2) cannons would be soooo easy to add!
F4i (will keep praying)
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beans no new planes bud i think you need to read the message boards everyday there is a post in the ah gerneal about it no new planes for now just have to wait a few month's til it comes out
Skull12
xskullx
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Beans101,
What it means is no new planes in Aces High 2.00
New planes will appear in Aces High 2.01. Maybe, I doubt it, but maybe in a patch to Aces High 2.00 (e.g. a P-38G in Aces High 2.00 Patch 3).
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hmm I would like to see the la7 with more ammo rounds.
you seem to run out fast
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Originally posted by syko
hmm I would like to see the la7 with more ammo rounds.
you seem to run out fast
Personally, I can't wait to see a few more La-7's with bullet holes & oil leaks. :D
F4i
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*Hurricane IIA and IIB. Its ez to add too because its the same FM as the IIC just with a different skin and 8 or 12 x 303s. Good addition for the TOD and events.
*Mosquito IV bomber. Another ez addition.
*A6M3 Zero.
*P-38F
*Ki-84
*He111
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One plane i dont want to see in AH2 is the me163, AKA fruit fly.
I really dont think we need it.
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Originally posted by Devourer
One plane i dont want to see in AH2 is the me163, AKA fruit fly.
I really dont think we need it.
but we already have it...:rolleyes: :D
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Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-84
J2m3
D-9 w/MW50 would be nice
Me-410
P-47M/N
Gloster Meteor
B-24
B-29 minus nukes
and a "Fixed" 152H
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(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/xp75-2.jpg)
P-75 Eagle! It's a glaring omission!
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(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/xp67-1.jpg)
And don't forget the plane that Batman flew in WWII. P-67 ... Batplane
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i wish we had some russain and american aircarft like the lagg-10
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If they aren't going to add any planes, that's fine. I just hope they will not model the commie planes according to Kremlin propaganda.
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P61 is a night fighter. I would like to c the salamander as a perk jet fighter.it went into service but didnt c battle. I Would also like to c the F4U-2 which is a night fighter with a radar on the wing.:p (http://www.vought.com/heritage/products/html/f4u-2.html)
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Yak 3-p:)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
They also have
Lend lease Hurri 20mm and 12.7
additions would be nice for CT and events - mostly people will just fly the usual Spit9, La7, P51 in the main arena.
My understanding was the Hurricanes were sent equipped with the 8-12 .303s but the Russkis refitted them with 2 Shvak 23mms and 2 12.7 mms. They also added armor to the pilot's seat., etc. which would be nice to have modeled.
Sakai
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Early model P-38J would be a nice addition. Fastest of the P-38s but without the dive flaps and boosted ailerons.
ack-ack
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Oh lets see i want the b29,b25,he162,subs(even though its not a plane)where we can fire torpedoes,f4u5n,tu4,short stirling,handley page halifax,f16:D , oh what else i guess thats it for planes now for helicopters i know that there was one helicopter used during ww2 for search and rescue missions(i watched it on discovery wings) and i would like to have that in the game,i also want some bombs i would like to see like the earthquake bomb the volcano bomb and the tirpit bomb(used to bomb the german battleship tirpitz by the No. 617 Dam Buster squad) and the water skipping bomb,and the grand slam bomb(these bombs only able to be carried by the lancaster.
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p-39- Catilina (for SARS,and RECON missions)- and the He-162 salemander if i am correct
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I also for the PBY Catalina for bombing and pilot rescue out in the water
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Originally posted by PSYKOJR
I also for the PBY Catalina for bombing and pilot rescue out in the water
Yeah, couldn't your Avatar get brownie points for being rescuied in the water or by say an L5 taylorcraft behind enemy lines as opposed to being captured or MIA?
Sakai
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Bring out the Meteor the ONLY allied jet to fight in WW2, I'd like to see a ME 262 vs. a Meteor III and there should be the B - 29 (and for a LOT of perk an A - bomb). Before you dismiss it just imagine you and your squadron in a last ditch attempt to save a base by trying to take down a nuclear bomber!
One last one should be a Halifax and a maybe swordfish (for fun).
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I would love the see the 542mph wodden ruddered tighter turning, outragous climbing Bf109K-4. I think there should be a K4 because the K4 was used in late war and there was a bunch of em used. Hartmann's last ride in the war was a K4.
Also if there is a spit14 then I really think we 109 dweebs deserve a 109K4. Perk the bastage and get rid of that useless Bf109G-6 or dump the G10 I don't care which 109 you have to dump to give us the K4 but
PLEASE make the Bf109K4 in AH2. Almost 2 years of paying my dues I think I've more than payed the price for my K4 in blood in the G-10 against spit14s. I would gladly sign a contract to be with AH for another 2yrs if they give me my K4.
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make that 452mph not 542 :D
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I would like to see the Ground Vehicle line be increased a little. Some of the following would be nice.
USA
M4 SHERMAN Jumbo (76mm)
M18 HELLCAT
M36 JACKSON Tank Destroyer
Option for M3 halftrack to carry the 75mm Gun
GERMANY
(Has a good set of vehicles already)
Maybe the Quad 20mm flak gun mounted on a Half Track
Hetzer or Jagdpanther would be nice also
SOVIET UNION
T-34/76
T-34/85
KV-1
ENGLAND
SHERMAN FIREFLY Mk. 1
CROMWELL IV
JAPAN
TYPE 3 "CHI NU" (only 60 built but it has 75mm gun)
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Need 4 Hispano option for the Spitfire. Especially if you F6F whiners get your hispano option because only 200 were built.
The Spitfire Mk. Vc introduced the "universal" wing which enabled this variant to be fitted with various combinations of armament, including four 20 mm. cannon and four .303 machine guns.
Most Spitfire Mk. Vc fighters had the B version armament with the outer cannon positions being covered, but the C wing carried 120 rounds for each cannon versus only 60 for each cannon on the B wing. The universal wing also used a strengthened landing gear that had been moved two inched forward to correct the Spitfire's tendency to nose over on its propeller. In addition, the Spitfire Mk. Vb and Mk. Vc could carry two 250-LB bombs or one 500-LB bomb.
We should have this option on the Spit IX and V already... but NOOOO.....
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
He-111 (for the love of god)
109K4
109G14
190A4
Yak3
Some MiG's
Ki-84
B29
B25H
Clipped wing Spit (VB?)
LaGG-3
i like the list oh and your obviousley an iron maiden fan thats all good that pic is from the singel aces high
by the way on ah1 if u get into the spit take off and in exturnal view look back at the pilot and zoom in a bit it looks like eddy well i think it does check it out
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i would like to see a plane like this but one that actaully have the guns i couldnt find the one with guns so hopefully someone else can findit :lol
(http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Biplanes/TABVolume01/TABV01P14_11.jpg)
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Originally posted by BBinder
i would like to see a plane like this but one that actaully have the guns i couldnt find the one with guns so hopefully someone else can findit :lol
(http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Biplanes/TABVolume01/TABV01P14_11.jpg)
Ok Binder I said what you said to myself atleast six times.... and I still dont have a clue what you just said :) Lay off the choc milk for awhile
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theres a military bi-plane around that had guns on front and 1 on back i want one of those be funny flying that and fighting again fast planes :lol
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Originally posted by BBinder
theres a military bi-plane around that had guns on front and 1 on back i want one of those be funny flying that and fighting again fast planes :lol
Here's one:
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/mitsubishi_f1m2.htm
More at that site as well.
Sakai
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The Swordfish was a bi-plane with 2 guns (which sunk the Bismarck)
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Originally posted by J318
The Swordfish was a bi-plane with 2 guns (which sunk the Bismarck)
A Swordfish sank the Bismarck or its twin .303s did?
My naval history's a little rusty.
I always thought the Bismarck was lost to some British tar in a card game so he pulled the plug on it, one reason the Germans hated the English, for their card sharping.
Forget all those myths about the Home Fleet being led to the Bismarck by the Loch Ness Monster, that simply did not occur: Nessie had a cold and her navigating was off, no, the Bismarck went down without a shot, scuttled over a poker debt. Sad really, but good too in that it gave all the luft weenies another "if only . . ." to posture and pine over.
Sakai
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hey wasnt there a bi-plane called the tiger moth that was a military fighting machine???
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Originally posted by BBinder
hey wasnt there a bi-plane called the tiger moth that was a military fighting machine???
Tiger moth was a training aircraft
(http://www.n57.com/moth.jpg)
On the 25th the German ships separated, 'Prinz Eugen' temporarily vanishing in the Atlantic while 'Bismarck' ran for the shelter of Brest to remedy her fuel problem. Resighted by the British early on the 26th she was attacked that evening by Swordfish from the carrier 'Ark Royal' (of Force H, sent up from Gibraltar). 15 aircraft took off at 7.10 pm in atrocious weather. Three torpedoes hit, with one jamming 'Bismarck's' rudders over and condemning her to circle at no more than seven knots. About 8.45 am on the 27th, Admiral Sir John Tovey, commanding elements of the Home Fleet from the flagship 'King George V', and joined by the battleship 'Rodney', sighted the 'Bismarck' and opened fire. Despite being unmanoeuvrable 'Bismarck's' armament was unimpaired. Her first salvoes fell close to the 'Rodney' but neither British ship was hit. By 9.31 'Bismarck' was no longer firing and and by 10.15 she was a burning wreck. Short of fuel, Tovey then turned for home, ordering the cruiser 'Dorsetshire' to finish her off with torpedoes. A false U-boat sighting after 'Bismarck' sank at 10.39 curtailed the rescue of survivors in the water: only 110 plus the ship's cat were saved, a junior gunnery officer being the senior man (Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechburg, much later an eminent diplomat and author of a fine survivor's account).
(http://www.aviationgallery.com/maritime/launch.JPG)
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The gloster gladiator is what you may be thinking about BBinder
(http://website.lineone.net/~roling48/pre1940/Glad-2a.JPG)
http://www.shuttleworth.org/collection/glad.htm
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the gladiator was almost out of service when the war started in 1939, one improvment for AH2 could be the C-47 could have its real name the Douglas Dakota and be in its original RAF colours
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p-80 shooting star
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P-38f
P-39
Ki-84 ( like 36 perks)
Betty
B-24
He-111 or Do-17
Ju-52
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why would Ki-84 be perked?
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I guess it would depend on how good it's modeled,
but in WB's it one of best fighters in game ( best IMO)
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/Hayate.htm
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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE B 29. B24, B25. PLESE.
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:eek: MAN THESE POSTS ARE LOOKING GREAT, ALTHOUGH PEOPLE ARE GETTING MAD AT US PEOPLE THAT THINK THE F6F WITH THE HISPANOS WOULD B KEWL. BUT WHO CARES, THIS IS AN OPPINION BASED SITE..... KEEP EM COMMING!!!:eek:
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Originally posted by Cooley
I guess it would depend on how good it's modeled,
but in WB's it one of best fighters in game ( best IMO)
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/Hayate.htm
So? And the La-7 is the best free fighter here. Its still not perked and its way, way better than the Ki-84.
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(Ki-84-Ib)
4 x 20mm Ho-5 cannon (2 in wings, 2 in fuselage) each with 150 rounds
NOW THATS THE ULTIMATE RICE FIGHTER!!!
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One word...............RegianoTwo ThousandandFive
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_30_1054696500.jpg)
performance (http://www.aldini.it/re2005/performances.htm)
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Im with ya Karnak :D , Like I said,was Fav aircraft in WB 2.77
would hope that it wasnt perked, just asumed it would be
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i belive the planes like B-29, p-80, p-47n, p-51h, Do-335, c.2005, 4 hispano planes in general, P-61, and any other planes that came out in thelast 5 seconds of the war. These have no freakin place in AH but thats IMHO, we need things like
Brewester buffalo
Commonwealth Boomerang
how about a betty
or a lilly
more variants of the p-38
how about a b-25 that G adittion would be nice.
just anything early war.....
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The P-47N SHOULD be in Aces High. While it did not see service in the ETO, a large percentage of the 1816 built saw extensive service in the Pacific.
We're not asking for something unreasable here.....We're talking the final P-47 to be produced in numbers and see significant service in the war.
It's not like we're asking for Hitec to add something like the Ta-152, which had a total production run of less than 150 aircraft. If that's what we were asking for, we'd be clamoring for the P-47M, of which 130 were built, with most deployed to the ETO, though seeing little combat.
Would be nice to fly a late war version of a real man's airplane against all the spit IXs, Lavatchkins, N1Ks, etc...
P-47N
400mph @ 10,000'
465mph @ 30,000'
Initial Climb: 4120 ft./min.
Climb at 20,000': 2560'/min
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I want my Catalina.
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i want the PBY Catilina, b24 ,and the b25(model with the 75mm gun)
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at this point i would just like to see AH2
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AH2=ghostware
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Ju52
Me321 or Hamilcar
P39
He111
Pe-2 or -8
MiG variant
PBY or H8K floaters
Sherman
Mobile Howitzers (105mm-150mm) pulled by Opel or GMC :)
B25 Mitchell
B24 Liberator
Ju87G (37mm variant)
G4M2
just to name a few
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I'd like to see the Henschel 123
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I would really really like to see both IAR 80/81 with their best wepons on.
When this plane came out was top notch, could turn really sharp, and had a very good speed. Besides it looks so beautiful.
Just look at this pic.
(http://www.aeropinakes.com/paginas/neopinques/dibujosup/iar80-81.jpg)
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unless it will be perked, the Ki84 will rule the MA
imagine a nick on steroids!
a kind of a mix between the La7 and the zero :eek:
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Originally posted by Beans101
OH MAN, u have done it now.
OK first of all, i fly a new plane every month, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT JUST HAPPENED TO B THE NIKI. Look at the month b4 that, not one kill in the NIKI, NOT ONE!!! It was probably the P51 or P38, or maybe the F6F the one u mostly enjoy. But for u to just judge me on one month, or one plane i fly is just plain IDIOTIC and LOW. Although i will let u hand me my ***. In fact ill tape record it so everyone can watch the action, ill leave a website u can watch it at:D !! I love a challenge.
Second, the reason i dont shoot down alot of LW planes is because NOBODY FLIES THEM. I shoot anything in front of me PERIOD. I dont care if it is a Spit NIK La7 190 109 110 or a U-2 or SR-71, i dont give a damn!! So b4 u go running your mouth about my tactics, shooting capabilities or ability to fly IT WILL B MY PLEASURE TO HAND U YOUR ***.... sort of speak!!
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BEANS101 OUT!!
oh oh oh can i fight too?
i dont belive you are talking like this on the beloved G10
the Fw190 might not be very good at 1vrs1 fights but the 109g10 will kill any USAF plane in a 1vrs1 situation.
only plane who gives me trouble in a 109g10 is the spit9.
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I would like to see either a no perk day, or free 262 day.
Just one day a month the 262 (or all perk planes) is free to all. Just for fun . It would be great to have some large dog fights, between 262s.
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the ONLy thing I wanna see is a B24, any varient.
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Originally posted by United
the ONLy thing I wanna see is a B24, any varient.
I saw TWO of them today, they flew over my house.
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And the only MA buff AH2 needs for me is the A-26.
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TWO flew over your house? I had the B-24 "The Dragon and His Tail" and the B-17 "Nine O Nine" fly over my house today. Dragon flew over twice that I noticed.
To make this relevant to the topic, I'd like to see the B-17F.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
I saw TWO of them today, they flew over my house.
That must've been quite a treat, seeing as there are only 2-3 left in the world that can still fly. Wish I was there! :D
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whats the different between the B17g and 17f moddels?
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light defensive armament
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B-17G: (the one we have now)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-21.htm
SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 103 ft. 9 in.
Length: 74 ft. 9 in.
Height: 19 ft. 1 in.
Weight: 65,500 lbs. gross weight (actual - normal load)
Armament: Twelve.50-cal. machine guns and 8,000 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Four Wright R-1820-97 turbo-supercharged radials of 1200 hp. each
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 302 mph at 25,000 ft.
Cruising speed: 160 mph .
Service ceiling: 35,600 ft.
Range: 3,400 miles (maximum ferry range)
B-17F: I chose this because I think it would be easier to add than a whole new airplane. HTC has an existing B-17 3D model, flight model, textures and so on that they would be able to modify into a new B-17.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-20.htm
SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 103 ft. 9 in.
Length: 74 ft. 9 in.
Height: 19 ft. 1 in.
Weight: 56,500 lbs. gross weight (actual - normal load)
Armament: Eleven .50-cal. machine guns and 8,000 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Four Wright R-1820-97 turbo-supercharged radials of 1200 hp. each
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 325 mph at 25,000 ft.
Cruising speed: 160 mph at 5,000 ft.
Service ceiling: 37,500 ft.
Range: 2,800 miles (maximum ferry range)
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b17f-3a.jpg)
Adding a B-17F to AH would give B-17 pilots an interesting decision. The B-17F would climb faster and have a higher level speed than the B-17G. However, the B-17G would have better guns.
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Originally posted by Spork42
TWO flew over your house? I had the B-24 "The Dragon and His Tail" and the B-17 "Nine O Nine" fly over my house today. Dragon flew over twice that I noticed.
I guess saw the Dragon two different times during the day and didn't realize it was the same plane.
I'm in HB too. The beach was great this weekend, should be a *****in' summer.
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P61 Black Widow
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap25.jpg)
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p61-2.jpg)
SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 66 ft.
Length: 49 ft. 7 in.
Height: 14 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 35,855 lbs. loaded
Armament: Four .50-cal. machine guns in upper turret and four 20mm cannons in belly; 6,400 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800s of 2,100 hp. ea.
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 425 mph
Cruising speed: 275 mph
Range: 1,200 miles
Service Ceiling: 46,200 ft.
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I would like two c the yak 3 in ah2 it would b a awsome oppurtunity for the yak 2 b used through out the game :-) ty
Teebone
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b29?
and no i am not shark88!!!!!!!!!!! that little freak!!!!
he kept spamming my page!!! little bastard!!!
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(http://http://www.shipandplane.com/gallery/planes/Soviet%20Planes/Fighters/Yak-3%20Normandie-2.JPG)
Here is a picture of the yak 3 that should b put into ah2 pls put it in.
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http://www.shipandplane.com/gallery/planes/Soviet%20Planes/Fighters/Yak-3%20Normandie-2.JPG
since you cant c the image got to this web site above ^
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Approximately 2x more of these were built during WW2 than the 3 gun la7 (La7's went into production mid 1944). According to the US Akr Force Museum "The XP-61 was flight-tested in 1942 and delivery of production aircraft began in late 1943"
(http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/p61/p61_large.jpg)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p61.htm
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Originally posted by Teebone
http://www.shipandplane.com/gallery/planes/Soviet%20Planes/Fighters/Yak-3%20Normandie-2.JPG
since you cant c the image got to this web site above ^
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(http://www.shipandplane.com/gallery/planes/Soviet%20Planes/Fighters/Yak-3%20Normandie-2.JPG)
Fixed your link for ya.
But to be honest, I'd rather have a Yak-9D.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Also like I pointed out, the lack of any real night time modeling and the absence of plane mounted radar would make the P-61 rather useless. If HiTech was going to add modeling for night time or plane mounted radar than the P-61 might have a place.
Ack-Ack
I would put forward that the current radar is even better in a lot of ways, and every plane gets it. Also while primarily used at night (like several planes towards end) P61's didnt stay grounded during the day, (in fact as I recall one is famous for shooting down a b-29 during a daylight ).
For people who like variety (and not saying you don't, but aren't you in a P-38 quite a bit?) this woluld be a fun plane in the fantasy world that is the MA. It would see use as the Havock does. Certainly would be no hangar queen.
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please add.......
more versions of p38s, Moss, and some more LW bombers like HE111
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I think we really should get the b-29:D
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You guys dont play IL2 do you ? with the recent add on of AEP
& and upcoming patch that will include 4 variants of the B25 ,
I 185 and and additional Spitfire , Il2 has become the place to go
to fly the majority of early & late war LW & VVS planes .
U.S. planes such as the P39 , P40M & N , P51B ,C (w/malcolm hood) & of course the D , 3 variants of the P47 have been added on also , there are so many to list you'd just have to visit IL2's
website with the complete lists of flyeable & AI birds , also there
is a Pacific WarBirds set comin out this Fall with over 40 flyeable
USN , USAAF , IJN & JAAF aircraft , I've been told the B29 & H8K Emily will possibly make the flyeable lists amongst them . Battle of Britain is already in the works for eary '05 with ALL the partcipating warplanes that flew in it . I like AH as much as anybody else , but when flying the same ol birds get boring , I have a nice alternative to go to :cool:
Bolt45
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Originally posted by Zanth
I would put forward that the current radar is even better in a lot of ways, and every plane gets it. Also while primarily used at night (like several planes towards end) P61's didnt stay grounded during the day, (in fact as I recall one is famous for shooting down a b-29 during a daylight ).
For people who like variety (and not saying you don't, but aren't you in a P-38 quite a bit?) this woluld be a fun plane in the fantasy world that is the MA. It would see use as the Havock does. Certainly would be no hangar queen.
I dont see how it would be useless, With the bombload and armenent it could carry I could easily see it replacing the A20 and such.
Besides since when did a planes original design and intention mean anything here?
Here where we have dive bombing B17's and lancasters.
C47's doing loop da loops with troops on board (always wondered how the troops would have felt about that move)
And I've ocasionally used 262's as a ground attack plane.
I see people using ghe A20 as a fighter and thats probably not something for which it was originally intended either.
If Radar were more realistically modeled which would mean very few planes would have ANY kind of dar and would have to rely soley on radio reports I could buy into the arguement of the night time and plane mounted dar. but its not.
I think this ( the P61) would be a great plane to have, Would look great in formation too.
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Thanx sikboy
i havent looked at the yak9d i will do :)
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i just looked at the yak it looks awsome....do you know the ammo load out on it?
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Originally posted by ace431
I think we really should get the b-29:D
I agree, as a perked plane.
Say 400 perks when your side is outnumberd 10-1
LOL