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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on June 11, 2003, 04:45:43 AM
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http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=21232
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Usual story: cut costs by getting rid of the guys doing the real work.
Wonder if IEN will be around 6 months from now?
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TOTALLY baffled by their strategy (if any) they bring out Wbs3,which isnt finished,needs mucho more work,ESPECIALLY needs more people to play the bloody thing,thats why I left,20-30 folks in a main arena aint my idea of fun,THEN they bring out that Armoured assault crap and now Dawn of aces 3,and expect folks to pay that much to play em? I really admire the Wbs community for stickin with WBs this long,but it looks like the writing is on the wall,they should come over to AH and tell Wild Bill where to shove his company.
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ROFLMAO....the fools continue to pay when they know Bill is milking it dry!
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I've never played WB so can't comment on the sim........but if what I hear is true, that player numbers are seriously low and they havn't had a program update in ages.......
Well I just don't get why they stick around when there's another quality sim with a bucket load of ex-WBs already playing......and it's cheaper too.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Well I just don't get why they stick around when there's another quality sim with a bucket load of ex-WBs already playing......and it's cheaper too.
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With a few of them, it has to do with being recognized in the current community they reside in(and fear of not being recognized in a new sim), or have some sort of role (CM, trainer, etc.) that gives them their daily dose of "someone needs me, I feel important", to put it blandly....
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Or maybe they're like me and just too lazy to bother with learning new game stuff. That's why I never went to WB from AW (and will never go from AH to WW2Online) - already had my online WW2 flight sim and didn't feel like learning new stuff. Then AW died and I had to learn a new game if I wanted to keep doing WW2 online flying. So here I am.
And I still have my copy of iF-22 that I never really flew much.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Or maybe they're like me and just too lazy to bother with learning new game stuff. That's why I never went to WB from AW (and will never go from AH to WW2Online) - already had my online WW2 flight sim and didn't feel like learning new stuff. Then AW died and I had to learn a new game if I wanted to keep doing WW2 online flying. So here I am.
Yep, I'd say that would be the majority...you stick with what you're comfortable with...a natural human tendancy is not to take yourself out of your comfort zone...personally I think taking ones self out of their respective comfort zones in any aspect of life is the key to getting ahead but thats a philosophical aspect. Why have I stayed in AH and not expanded my online horizons? Life, kids...I'm lucky to get 30 hours a month in....
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
. Why have I stayed in AH and not expanded my online horizons? Life, kids, (BBS POSTING)... I'm lucky to get 30 hours a month in....
:D
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If you step back a bit and try to look at the situation at iEN unemotionally, it was plain to see over three years ago that Warbirds heyday had passed, and that it was only a matter of time before the iceberg appeared out of the fog.
The emergence of AH and WW2OL merely confirmed the death of Warbirds. Frankly, I'm surprised that Warbirds has lasted this long with such strong competition.
Paradoxically, in my opinion it was the initial buyout of Warbirds by IMOL that started the demise of Warbirds. It has never been as good as it was when it was an entirely ICI venture.
The golden era of Warbirds was v1.11r2. The introduction of 2.0 introduced the beginning of the end. It's just taken a long time to get there.
*sigh*
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My squad left WarBirds because there was nobody in the arena. Not much fun playing against 20 people.
It was ridiculous in there.
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The golden era of Warbirds was v1.11r2. The introduction of 2.0 introduced the beginning of the end.
Hear, hear.
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Get ready for an influx of new players.
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well, now I know why I always felt like the Warbirds artwork had a little bite to it. ;)
Sad to see though. I know a lot of people (here and over there) care about that game. Gotta be tough to see their old friend die a slow death with seemingly little hope of recovery.
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That's KICASS!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
:D
LOL! :) (time killer while my scripts are running, did I tell you some days I love my job? ;) )
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Get ready for an influx of new players.
What...20 new players? According to Grim...;)
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I just subscribed to that forum with the nickname "ComeToAH". Somehow I have a feeling they won't activate my account :)
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hehe.. beat me to it :)
it's difficult for some people to change, that's part of why the WBers are still there...
or the fact that they actually know each virtual pilot in the arena at any given time (20 aren't hard to get to know)
then there's the big fish in a small pond syndrome...
and some guys actually believe all the marketing (read: pad Bill's pockets before he bails) stuff...
either way most of the Best of the WB pilots are already here :)
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Originally posted by rpm371
ROFLMAO....the fools continue to pay when they know Bill is milking it dry!
Hmm. If people really cancell their accounts, and 20 players at a time (reminds me of a 1.11 arena when only Mac guys and people with slow PCs were there in Winter 97-98) reflects the number of paying customers - it's pretty hard to say who milks whom.
Server and communication maintenance, connectivity and other rents can cost mush more then their income from customers.
BTW, who's the WB boss there now, after HS and Littman were fired?
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You're not going to be helping AH by going over there with talk of leaving for AH in the same way 'Ring' did'nt help the WW2OL cause here when he posted in the main forum, not that AGW is iEN's forum but a lot of die hard WB'ers are not goign to take kindly to you going over there banging the AH drum.
Warbirds suffered a huge blow when AH came along but I think the real beginning of the end came when WW2OL was released and iEN could only manage a half baked sim that WBIII was back then. Online numbers in Euro time ammount to about 40 or so on average and I have to wonder what will happen to that number once AHII:TOD comes along with it's mission based system which a lot of WB'ers have already said they would definately try, not only that but Targetware also looms on the horizon and Wild Bill doesn't appear to have any strategy in place (did he ever have a strategy?) to counter these threats to his business.
They were talented guys who left the team, programmers and an artist which begs the question is Wild Bill now relying too heavily on the player developed art? 'BROKEN' was a real class act he was their 'Skuzzy'...always willing to listen and would always try to help.
While Warbirds will continue you have to wonder at what pace? development was slow enough anyway especially when Wild Bill had them working on three projects and now he cuts the staff when production of his core sim should be ramped up to meet the challenges ahead.
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true, Broken was one of the ones I actually believed in over 'there'.... the writing is on the wall
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Its never good to watch an old friend suffer no matter what the current relationship is.
Wild Bill coming back was a sign of things to come. Still waiting for someone to prove all the anti-Bill naysayers wrong in this regards.
MiniD
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I'm sure that iEN's elite ninja carebears will turn up soon waving their pom poms and painting a happy little rainbow over the mess :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Get ready for an influx of new players.
LOL theres not that many there :D
i played it for several yrs ..... i do not miss it ( the game )
just some of the pilots i flew with.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Get ready for an influx of new players.
You mean influx of new targets
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by GrimCO
My squad left WarBirds because there was nobody in the arena. Not much fun playing against 20 people.
It was ridiculous in there.
It's kind of sad when you can find more players on the FreeBirds server than you can find in WB. Even more sad is that the guys behind FreeBirds probably update that game with new planes more than iEN does for WB.
Ack-Ack
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Remember when....it all began...(When AW was getting long in the tooth...before AW2?)
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You mean influx of new targets
woooHOOOO I'll have company|!:D
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oh ya CK,
I did beta on that, I was bummed when they pulled the plug.
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I would ask the community, at large, to not go over to thier boards with any idea of drawing them to AH.
It is inappropriate to do so. They all know about Aces High already. If they want to come here, then allow them to make the choice without any prompting from the AH community.
Thank you.
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^^ Has the right idea!
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for what it's worth.
when AW was going down , i looked closely at both WB and AH, i chose AH.
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ya know what skyuzzy.... I'm gonna take your advise. I believe that you are right on this one as is deja. no need to rub it in.. maybe in a year or two but not now.
lazs
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I think that Skuzzy hit it right on the head. We should let them be and not force the issue. Personally I don't think the remaining players that are there will step over to AH anyway. As Ripsnort said most of the ones left hold trainer positions there and would not publicly let it be know they were playing in AH either.
I would have to think that a majority of the players that are left there are Mac user's and either can not/do not want to run AH on their machines. Plus I know many of the former and current WB players are helping build the Targetware mods and the client itself and will probably take their dollars there when the game goes into Open Beta. So don't look for an influx of the old die hard WB'ers just keep your eyes peeled for the noob's who don't want to head off to TargetWare.
There will come a day soon when Wild Bill will deliver the death blow to WB. When that day comes it will be a sad time in online flight sim history and I can see many it in the foggy haze of the next year or so.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's kind of sad when you can find more players on the FreeBirds server than you can find in WB. Even more sad is that the guys behind FreeBirds probably update that game with new planes more than iEN does for WB.
Ack-Ack
is that the illegal Warbirds server run by some Ivan?
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Originally posted by udet
is that the illegal Warbirds server run by some Ivan?
a little respect pls
for WB3, WB DE and WBfree players.
Many if them are great guys who just not like AH or have to small knowlage about AH. Its his right and chose. Remember mostly of them like squadies and when change sim doing this all together.
Thats not depends from graphics, FM........ and all this things.
Depends from spirit they have and money /wbfree/.
My first touch with AH not convince me to this sim and 2 trials i use too. So why they should change if AH players insult them like that? Pls try to be polite and nice for this peoples. And not create "unfriendly" enviroment
Som move here allready, som play free wb, by his own choice
But look like evryone moves to AH. I not heard about player who start from AH and swich to WB3 or wbfree.
ramzey
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Hey they are getting an he-111 before we will :p
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Originally posted by ramzey
a little respect pls
for WB3, WB DE and WBfree players.
ramzey
No disrespect intended. I'm a great fun of free stuff myself. That's how I got into AH after all(free trial, then a year of free H2H).
I was just repeating what I heard about WBfree, on this BBS. I am totally ignorant as to its location and who runs it. Please let me at least have WBfree's URL. I wanna check it out from sheer curiosity, as AH offers me all the multiplayer air combat experience I need.
and sorry for the misuderstanding
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"a little respect pls "
Listen up, the thieves want "respect". Must be Mafioso or the Russian equivalent. You guys hack IL-2 as well???
Oh, and plenty of dis-respect intended.....
C.
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...personally I think taking ones self out of their respective comfort zones in any aspect of life is the key to getting ahead but thats a philosophical aspect.
I just got laid off a job i held for many many years.. in a company i had a large part in creating..
i guess that would mean i've been taken outta my 'comfort zone'.
since i'm not likely at age 50 to get another job that could keep me as 'comfortable' as i was, and since this layoff means virtual financial total destruction of my life it could be tendered that the 'philosophical aspect' amounts to the owner gets to keep the beautiful plane with the hanger in the hamptons, the house by the country club, the miata, the perks, the vehicles, the assets and the prestige created by somebdy elses hard work while all i get is 26 weeks of unemployment checks.
rip, it's easy to sit in yer comfy house with the carpeted garage and wax philosophical on trickle down economics for the little people but lemme tell yah something real here..
getting kicked out on the street is not a key to getting ahead, its key to getting run over by thoughtless blind tulips that think it's no big deal when its somebody elses life that get tossed in the crapper.
that is all. you may return to your glib dissertations on 'comfort zones'.
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Originally posted by Cabby44
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"a little respect pls "
Listen up, the thieves want "respect". Must be Mafioso or the Russian equivalent. You guys hack IL-2 as well???
Oh, and plenty of dis-respect intended.....
C.
So you are a thief too? Ramzey also named WB3 and DE players, who are paying customers. Last I heard you were still contributing to the Wild Bill Stealey T-28 Maintenance Fund, so be careful what names you call yourself.
Ramzey's point is that if we want WB players to join AH, we should not treat them with disrespect just because we think they play a stupid game.
Which is pretty much exactly what you have said a few times. Maybe next time try to read and understand the whole post before firing off a kneejerk flame upon hearing one of your "trigger words".
And you weren't calling my squaddie a mafioso were you? I'm sure you weren't, as you would need to retract such hateful slander. :)
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Time to show some real class here guys.
We should be meeting these guys with open arms. After all, are we not all brothers?????
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@Funked
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Udet mail me, but its not worth to fly there if u have AH;)
ramzey
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Let's not do a WW2OL and go 'advertising' AH on other flightsim boards. That would be a wee bit hypocritical.
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WB has been dying too long to die quickly now.
The sublicensed WB server in europe even offers accounts for the iEN server - and even at a lower price than when paying iEN directly :eek:
http://gamesurf.tiscali.de/warbirds/
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If I can resist then the rest of you should be able to.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
"a plague of huberts upon you house!"
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I just got laid off a job i held for many many years.. in a company i had a large part in creating..
Very sorry to hear this Hang. Best of luck and keep us in the loop. Not a bad group to network with here.
What did you do?
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I'm also sorry to hear that Hang. I wish I could think of something encouraging to say...
I guess... if there's anyone here that I'd bet would land on his feet you'd be one of them without a doubt. Best of luck to ya sir.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
rip, it's easy to sit in yer comfy house with the carpeted garage and wax philosophical on trickle down economics for the little people but lemme tell yah something real here..
getting kicked out on the street is not a key to getting ahead, its key to getting run over by thoughtless blind tulips that think it's no big deal when its somebody elses life that get tossed in the crapper.
that is all. you may return to your glib dissertations on 'comfort zones'.
Hang, you'r talking to someone who, since 1979, has been laid off twice, been thru 2 labor strikes (lasting 45 days and 69 days) and I've had 4 warn notices (intention to lay off) in the last 8 years. Our boss informed us all that we're "on the line" if the 7E7 doesn't fly (if we don't find a launch customer) but ...I have a very optimist view of life...I like to choose when and where I take myself out of my comfort zone, but thats not always possible...when someone else takes me out of my comfort zone, I channel that anger into enthusiasim. The only comfort I can give you is to do the same. Matter of fact, I've been planning on what to do if I get a notice, since last year....
Good luck in future endeavors, I'll be joining you soon, me thinks.
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How many times have you turned 50 rip? I mean.. you always have to one up everyone on everything.... surely you've done this twice too.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
How many times have you turned 50 rip? I mean.. you always have to one up everyone on everything.... surely you've done this twice too.
MiniD
I'm 7 years from 50, why would that make a difference? My mother, who turns 70 in Sept. has had 3 different careers since age 50 and shes still working.
Sorry you feel bitter about thinking that I have one up on everyone.
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Originally posted by ramzey
@Funked
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Udet mail me, but its not worth to fly there if u have AH;)
ramzey
hehe so secretive you are...
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Sorry you feel bitter about thinking that I have one up on everyone.
Had to write that one down rip.
Now... could your mom beat up hangtime's mom? I mean really...
You've had it so hard... nobody could possibly of had it worse... I've read the mighty tale that is your success story / turbulent life (depends on who you're trying to one up) and am constantly amazed.
Please continue to do so rip. You wouldn't be nearly as much fun if you didn't.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Had to write that one down rip.
Now... could your mom beat up hangtime's mom? I mean really...
You've had it so hard... nobody could possibly of had it worse... I've read the mighty tale that is your success story / turbulent life (depends on who you're trying to one up) and am constantly amazed.
Please continue to do so rip. You wouldn't be nearly as much fun if you didn't.
MiniD
:rolleyes: Yeah, whatever, just trying give some optimistic views..getting laid off is a negative thing and I always welcomed positive views during such duress.
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I promise to treat the influx of WB'ers as well as I was treated as a refugee from AW.
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oh is no secret , if somone like to find , will find
http://www.wbfree.net
its even big BB with AH, WB3, WW2OL parts
http://forum.wbfree.net/
ramzey
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Originally posted by Joc
TOTALLY baffled by their strategy (if any) they bring out Wbs3,which isnt finished,needs mucho more work,ESPECIALLY needs more people to play the bloody thing,thats why I left,20-30 folks in a main arena aint my idea of fun,THEN they bring out that Armoured assault crap and now Dawn of aces 3,and expect folks to pay that much to play em? I really admire the Wbs community for stickin with WBs this long,but it looks like the writing is on the wall,they should come over to AH and tell Wild Bill where to shove his company.
Leadership.....direction....f ocus.....business plan? Naw....must be Bushes fault.
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Sorry to hear that Hang. Best of luck in finding something else - I'm sure you'll grab something with your experience. Didn't you used to run a business?
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rip you work fer a big assed company that deals with it's humongous number of employees as adjustable liabilities on a profit and loss statement. Layoffs are part of working for boeing.
the company i worked for had 3 employees. the owner and myself and a part time school kid. we worked as a team, my employer was also my friend. when we became profitable i got raises, when money was tight i didn't. after 10 years i asked for a limited partnership, or profitsharing and i asked about a retirment program and or a 401k type program.
the answer was brutal and blunt "this is my company, and i'm the president..." upshot was i wan't going to be seeing a change of status... at least so i was lead to believe.
the workload continued to grow and the owner decided to bring in a new full time person rather than the summer part time college kids we normally used during peak season. I should have recognized that moment what the owners intent was.. but i didn't, and when the new guy was fully trained up, i got the axe.
i thought i had a carrer.. turned out it was just a job. my fault really.. i could have forced the issue as the sole full time salried employee, but since the guy was once a friend i didn't 'go union' on his ass.
'work shall set you free'.
no kiddin.
midnight, i built and serviced low voltage power supplies (batteries) and control systems for R/C and the military, and fuctioned as the operations manager for the company that just laid me off. The owner could and often did leave the shop for months at a time, the buisness functioned flawlessley during his extended and numerous absences. I have over the last 35 years been a heavy equipment operator, auto mechanic, tire store manager, boatbuilder and rigger, battery technician and RPV mechanic.
now i'm in the training loop to be an unemployed bum, with a promotion to bankruptcy immenent.
lifes a squeak, then you find out it can even get worse than that. ;)
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If you are in the mood, check out any RV (Recreational Vehicle) service center. With your background in low voltage systems and largish boats, you would be a natural for this kind of business. I also hear through my connections that these places are really hurting for people right now.
Just a thought.
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hey.. now; thats an intresting idea.. i'll look into it.
thanks, midnight.
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Good luck Hang!
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Where exactly are you? I'll get you some names.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
rip you work fer a big assed company that deals with it's humongous number of employees as adjustable liabilities on a profit and loss statement. Layoffs are part of working for boeing.
the company i worked for had 3 employees. the owner and myself and a part time school kid. we worked as a team, my employer was also my friend. when we became profitable i got raises, when money was tight i didn't. after 10 years i asked for a limited partnership, or profitsharing and i asked about a retirment program and or a 401k type program.
the answer was brutal and blunt "this is my company, and i'm the president..." upshot was i wan't going to be seeing a change of status... at least so i was lead to believe.
the workload continued to grow and the owner decided to bring in a new full time person rather than the summer part time college kids we normally used during peak season. I should have recognized that moment what the owners intent was.. but i didn't, and when the new guy was fully trained up, i got the axe.
i thought i had a carrer.. turned out it was just a job. my fault really.. i could have forced the issue as the sole full time salried employee, but since the guy was once a friend i didn't 'go union' on his ass.
'work shall set you free'.
no kiddin.
midnight, i built and serviced low voltage power supplies (batteries) and control systems for R/C and the military, and fuctioned as the operations manager for the company that just laid me off. The owner could and often did leave the shop for months at a time, the buisness functioned flawlessley during his extended and numerous absences. I have over the last 35 years been a heavy equipment operator, auto mechanic, tire store manager, boatbuilder and rigger, battery technician and RPV mechanic.
now i'm in the training loop to be an unemployed bum, with a promotion to bankruptcy immenent.
lifes a squeak, then you find out it can even get worse than that. ;)
Thats a bummer hang...but let me quote myself earlier in the thread and quote your response:
Ripsnort[People tend to] stick with what you're comfortable with...a natural human tendancy is not to take yourself out of your comfort zone...personally I think taking ones self out of their respective comfort zones in any aspect of life is the key to getting ahead but thats a philosophical aspect.
Hang:rip, it's easy to sit in yer comfy house with the carpeted garage and wax philosophical on trickle down economics for the little people but lemme tell yah something real here..
getting kicked out on the street is not a key to getting ahead, its key to getting run over by thoughtless blind tulips that think it's no big deal when its somebody elses life that get tossed in the crapper.
that is all. you may return to your glib dissertations on 'comfort zones'.
Why you chose to pick out my philosophy on life in general, and applying towards a game..is interesting at best. All I was stating is...there is a silver lining in EVERY cloud.
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Keep going rip. This is getting better and better. A few more posts and you'll top the porch light thread.
MiniD
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With a few of them, it has to do with being recognized in the current community they reside in(and fear of not being recognized in a new sim), or have some sort of role (CM, trainer, etc.) that gives them their daily dose of "someone needs me, I feel important", to put it blandly....
What a thought !!! Fascinating ?
It wouldn't have anything to do with best events on the net ? S3s ? Or maybe mac support and some of those people having friends for over 6 years with whom they flew ?
For some people friendships there are more important then better graphics or added features.
To each his own Rip. Still, no reason to be a dick. Especially as you contiually take high road on AGW with "all simer love each other" threats.
**** Rip, we have very different opinion, different view, and i can live with that. But recently you have become more and more of condesending *******. Why slam community you came from yourself for no good reason ?
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Mini, I went out to do some yardwork, and if I had a taker, I would have bet my life savings you'd be here in defense of Hang soon after my post...would you have done it if he was not in your squad? Probably not...
Whats your take on this Mini? why do you think Hang zero'd in on a good philosophical aspect of looking at the glass half full, instead of half empty, I'd be really curious to hear your aspect of it.
Hang, I wish you all the best, as I mentioned before, I'm sorry to hear about your job. Since you brought it up, and zero'd in on my post, I just want to say, with your grit, and attitude that I've known for 3 years or so..you'll be back to work.
Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light? ~Maurice Freehill
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Wow rip. What's my take on hangtime's situation? Pretty simple really...
I'm glad I don't have to be dealing with the same situation right now.
Or... maybe I should be sitting back telling him not to worry and giving him reassurances despite the fact that I really know nothing about his current situation other than he was just laid off. But then... if I did that... I'd also have to shave my head, buy a 330i and start shooting at any headlights that looked like they might be coming towards my house.
MiniD
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Whats wrong with trying to keep a positive attitude in a dark situation. If I am on charges of that...I plead guilty.
Time to fly...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Whats wrong with trying to keep a positive attitude in a dark situation. If I am on charges of that...I plead guilty.
Time to fly...
LOL! damn.. the coup de gras.
Thanks rip.. this was a very special wrapup for you.
BTW... what's wrong with it? Dunno... I suppose that you thinking you have to be the light in someone else's dark situation may be the problem. But that's just my take on things. Feel free to argue how you're only trying to help by being right.
MiniD
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rip, in the world i live in what seemed a certainty was my job. i'd get up, go to work, do the work and get paid. it was agreed at the start that i would participate in the companys success and accepted that his word meant something. there was never, ever, any discussion of layoff. buisness has been and remains solid. in the leanest of times all we had to do was put off a few large equipment buys because of a tenative buisness enviornment. it should be noted that the boss never let an economic slowdown slow down his lust for nice toys.. the company bought him a beautiful piper dakota and a hanger in the hamptons 4 years ago.
you'd think if the buisness was getting 'tight' he'd sell the dakota and the hanger (the company owns them).
it wasn't 'economics' that wrought me an axe, it was an egotistical buisness owner who decided the companys success was his alone to enjoy. now, the company is poised on the cusp of expansion into new venues of buisness and he decided he'd rather hold onto all the strawberries. when the new guy was trained up and the 'economy' went down the tubes he had an outstanding opportunity to cut his expenses and remove a ticking time bomb liability.. me. i'm 50, he's 60 and he wanted me out before he cashes in and retires in a few years.
he used the 'economy' as an excuse.
it's guys like that that make me smile at union organizers.
my gripe with your commentary rip is that it's glib, untinking and entirely condescending. take yer 'silver lining' and stuff it up yer ass.. see how many medical bills it'll pay for my kid. i'm sure the ien folks that just got tossed feel pretty much the same way.. losing a job that pays your bills, a job that keeps the creditors at bay, gives you some sense of self worth and identity just goes away one day.. what; we're supposed to be chamed and reassured by your 'comfort zone' dissertation?
there is no silver lining in having your life crushed. i have no wifes salary to fall back on, no home with a carpeted garage and 15 years of equity, no savings to tap, no great job prospects at my age beyond harder work and more of it for even longer than my life expectancy to try to get even close to the salary i EARNED my way up to last week.
it took years and years of hard work and dilligence to build that buisness, i ate plenty of crow, played second bananna like a pro, accepted my scraps and table leavings and carried on because i had every reason to expect that hard work and dillegence would be rewarded. and.. it's all gone in an instant because a greedy little man can't share success.
and whats left is just the price of it all.
Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light? ~Maurice Freehill
I am a fool.. diffrence is, i know it and thats hard to live with.
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Mini-Pee-Pee, why don't you and Drip go get a motel room. For Pete's sake let's get back to making fun of iEN and feeling sorry for Hangtime.
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damn.. see; i knew the paragraphs got too long.
;)
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Just for the record... I felt sorry for hangtime long before it was the "cool" thing to do.
MiniD
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Jeez, Rip, 'a positive attitude'? Just which BBS did you think you were posting to?
:)
-sudz
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i intend to invent a 12v blender that'll pound ice to shards on less than an amp.
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sorry I've to react here !
// TEACHER HAT ON
Originally posted by Mini D
LOL! damn.. the coup de gras.
Would you say : "a fat slap" in english ?
I guess no :)
A "Coup de grâce" is more appropriate (and don't forget to use the funny ^ sign !)
I wonder if "fléche du Parthes" doesn't apply in this case ...
// TEACHER HAT OFF
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I would tell all you sissies my life story but it would make you weep like old women.
lazs
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My dog ran away when I was 12.
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hangtime, is there an option of starting your own business in direct comeptition to your ex-partner ?
If you did lot of work in the business by yourself, sounds to me like you have skills needed. And i'm sure client list is in your head too :)
Ruin the bastard ...
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Is that a set off keys i hear jinglein?....................
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oh Hang, and secondly, if you could recruit your "replacement" to join with you against your old boss, you'd really stick it to him good. You shouldn't have a problem recruiting him, all you have to do is show him how he'll be used like you were.
That would leave the salamander with noone experianced to do the work and competition with all experaince.
Just thinking outloud.
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Hang, this guy wouldn't happen to have the initials L.S. would he?
As an RC flier I think I know which company you're talking about.
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Originally posted by udet
is that the illegal Warbirds server run by some Ivan?
It's not illegal.
I see that you already got the link. Look at the "correspondence with iEN" (http://www.wbfree.net/iencorrespondence.php) page there. You'll understand why I am an "imbecilic communist bastard".
After the "Albanians" were fired another opportunuity of cooperaton between our team and iEN emerged. But they need to abandon all their ridiculous charges against us and apologize in public for the behaviour of mr. Littman and mr. Neault.
The only reasonable explaination of such a behaviour is IMHO the desire to accuse us of all their financial and development failures.
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Boroda, show us some screenies of the new planes in the game, please.
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I'm not sure I understand - it sounds like theft to me. You steal someone else's pay-to-play product, host it yourselves and charge nothing? And that isn't theft? No wonder those guys were annoyed.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Boroda, show us some screenies of the new planes in the game, please.
http://planeta.terra.com.br/servicos/nicae/aircraft.htm
This is the first thing I thought of.
Sorry for bad screenshots quality.
This one has more screenshots, but it's also posted more then a year ago:
http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5941
Upcoming release will have even more planes like Bw239, A5M, PZL-11 etc (we already have 3D models for them, working on FM now). There is a desire to focus on early-war planes.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I'm not sure I understand - it sounds like theft to me. You steal someone else's pay-to-play product, host it yourselves and charge nothing? And that isn't theft? No wonder those guys were annoyed.
Dowding, we don't even violate their own EULA.
I hope you see that we tried to help them and offered our resources including channels, servers and free labour. They started a campaign of lies and false accusations in return :(
The whole thing was developed as a server for "Russians only". Even some new dot commands are in Russian. But HS, Littman and other "Albanians" literally started advertizing our work on AGW, just as if they needed us to blame for their failures :(
Anyway, we didn't steal anything. We just did our job, and did it better then people who had all the source code at hand.
Did you think why there is no "freehost" for AH or even WB3?...
BTW, we could put up a server for WB3 even before iEN started it's own (there was a week between the FE release and the start of first WB3 arena).
Now we run a big legal project, and our existance is a FACT, that is impossible to ignore.
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Did you guys write your own FE for that Baroda? For any of them?
Its always amazing when theives sit around trying to justify or add some kind of nobility to their actions.
You're a theif. And we're not talking Robin Hood here.
MiniD
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Quote:
"The whole thing was developed as a server for "Russians only". Even some new dot commands are in Russian. But HS, Littman and other "Albanians" literally started advertizing our work on AGW, just as if they needed us to blame for their failures "
I seem to recall a rather interesting dialog between HiTech and the, ummm, the "polite" users of stolen WB's software on the FreeHost newsgroup. Is HiTech also an "Albanian"?? HiTech wasn't too thrilled with you all, as i remember it. But he was polite while many of the Freehost "players" were anything but.
In fact, i bet this thread gets locked before too long because it includes mention of stolen software. HT's software. But it doesn't matter anymore, i look at Freehost as a Welfare Program using now-dated software which is inferior to IL-2, WBIII, and Aces High.
Nonetheless, what really PO'd me about Freehost was that many involved in stealing WB's flew hacked planes in the WB's Arenas before finally just ripping-off the FE altogether. In other words, they CHEATED. Which makes those people LOSERS in my book. It's because of cheating/hackers like those people i avoid playing IL-2 online like the plague.
You all enjoy your "copy" of WB's, i'm glad i live in a country where such shenanigans as software piracy are illegal and where cheaters/hackers are actively hunted-down and permanently banned from play when caught........
Cabby
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Originally posted by Mini D
Did you guys write your own FE for that Baroda? For any of them?
Its always amazing when theives sit around trying to justify or add some kind of nobility to their actions.
You're a theif. And we're not talking Robin Hood here.
MiniD
The FE is given for free, so it's impossible to steal it. They didn't include a single line about "authorized servers" like HTC does into EULA, while they were aware of our existance for 3 releases (Aike sent them bug reports in networking protocol).
IMHO they needed us. I can't find other reasonable explainations. Instead of talking like men they started threatening us and spreading lies. After that it's a matter of principles to keep our project going. We will never agree with retards who say they will send gangsters to stop us. You see, we tried our best to minimize harm to them, and even after they started legal actions against us we didn't advertize our host and steal their customers.
You can call me whatever you want, but it doesn't change anything. We are law-abiding citizens of Russian Federation, and we didn't violate any laws, uncluding American.
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Let me rephrase that to make it clear for you Baroda...
Do you modify another company's FEs to make them work for freehost?
Yeppers... you do.
You poor pathetic little thief.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Cabby44
I seem to recall a rather interesting dialog between HiTech and the, ummm, the "polite" users of stolen WB's software on the FreeHost newsgroup. Is HiTech also an "Albanian"?? HiTech wasn't too thrilled with you all, as i remember it. But he was polite while many of the Freehost "players" were anything but.
Did I miss something?
I have deepest respect to +HT+, and I don't remember any "impolitness" towards him on our part. If such things happened - i bring my sincere apologize and want to know exact callsigns to explain them the "party politics". :(
"Albanians" is a slang name for the team that took WB after MO and other original ICI/iMOL people resigned.
Originally posted by Cabby44
In fact, i bet this thread gets locked before too long because it includes mention of stolen software. HT's software. But it doesn't matter anymore, i look at Freehost as a Welfare Program using now-dated software which is inferior to IL-2, WBIII, and Aces High.
Do you understand the difference between AH and WB2? AH is a fast-developing sim, where developersreally care about their game and deserve all possible respect.
Originally posted by Cabby44
Nonetheless, what really PO'd me about Freehost was that many involved in stealing WB's flew hacked planes in the WB's Arenas before finally just ripping-off the FE altogether. In other words, they CHEATED. Which makes those people LOSERS in my book. It's because of cheating/hackers like those people i avoid playing IL-2 online like the plague.
You all enjoy your "copy" of WB's, i'm glad i live in a country where such shenanigans as software piracy are illegal and where cheaters/hackers are actively hunted-down and permanently banned from play when caught........
Cabby
I am glad to inform you that our team have done several times more things to prevent cheating then HS and Jay Littman. They were good only in spying at us and banning people from Slavonic countries from their "free arenas".
"FreeHost" software is not a "copy" of WarBirds. It's only a free update, or addon, that needs original, unmodified copy of WB client.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Let me rephrase that to make it clear for you Baroda...
Do you modify another company's FEs to make them work for freehost?
Yeppers... you do.
You poor pathetic little thief.
MiniD
Thank you!
We do not modify a single bit of iEN's WarBirds 2.77 client. More to say, our addon doesn't work with modified WB 2.77 client, and checks it for integrity everytime it is run and every few minutes when connected to FHR server.
I hope I have made some things clear.
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LOL! Your "addon"
Once again baroda... do you modify another companie's FE? Via an "add on"?
Sorry, but you've stolen someone else's flight model. You've stolen someone else's game model, you've stolen someone else's communications model.
How are you not a thief again? Nevermind that.. you are a thief.
Of course, this is all stuff you've heard many times before... so I'll just leave it with that and continue to hold you in just about as high of contempt as is possible.
MiniD
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Ahhh, so this is how communism works. Thanks for the lesson, comrad!
SOB
PS...does comrad mean theif? If not, I may have used the wrong word in that last sentence.
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Some of the Albanians on this board might want to look up the definition of the words "theft" and "thief" before they fire off any more false accusations.
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Don't be such a ***** funked (I know.. its hard in the SF area). Say something or get the **** out.
Redirecting traffic to a server that deprives a company of revenue using that companies own resources to do it is theft funked. Opening their code and modifying it for use on your own server is theft funked.
If you want to contend that those two things never happend, then feel free. I await your almost a reply without actually replying answer.
MiniD
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What they did was not theft by any dictionary or legal definition. So don't call it that.
In fact, it's not even clear that what they did was illegal in any way.
I think the worst that one can say is that their actions were legally questionable and morally wrong.
Calling them thieves just makes you look ignorant to anyone who has actually studied the issue.
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is it not theft because it is completely free? -sort of like shareware where you can distribute software freely as long as you don't make money out of it?
I don't have the patience to read all the legal agreements in Warbirds, and all the emails between Boroda and IEN staff. Can somebody (Boroda maybe) make it clear for me why WBfree is legal?
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Even I, who have called them thieves and worse, have come to see it in a different way. I still do not think it is right, but hey, it does appear legal, and they have not touched, or even had to open any of the code. They built a server that simply interprets the data stream from someone else's software.
That said, it isn't really worth playing, but I am glad that they are at least doing original work with it.
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Once again funked... you are telling others to back it up without actually doing so yourself.
They use another companie's FE to connect to thier server. That alone is theft. The term "free" only applies to the price paid for the software, not the abillity to use it any way you see fit.
Oh.. wait.. that's right.. its only the end users that are "borrowing" the other company's FE... not innocent people like baroda. What was I thinking.
And Saddam offering rewards to terrorists isn't really the same as actually being a terrorist.... right? A pawn shop owner that buys stolen goods is not necessarily a thief... right?
"You can play the game on our server if you download someone else's software and modify it using our add-on and avoid having to pay money to that company... but its not really stealing"
Thief funked. To call it anything else is to play ignorant on just where the "inspiration" for freebirds came from. Of course, we'll not know just exactly how legal its viewed until someone tries to pull that **** with Microsoft or another company willing to play the "villian" by actually pressing charges against thiefs like that.
MiniD
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Originally posted by funkedup
What they did was not theft by any dictionary or legal definition. So don't call it that.
In fact, it's not even clear that what they did was illegal in any way.
I think the worst that one can say is that their actions were legally questionable and morally wrong.
Calling them thieves just makes you look ignorant to anyone who has actually studied the issue.
You're gay, and I was going to give you sh*t, because whether the law defines them as such or not, they're still thieves. However, I've been thinking about In-n-Out all morning and I can't muster any rational thought in my mind at the moment. So, what I'd like you to do, is get me a 4x4 and a large fries, then hop on a plane and deliver it to me. And make it snappy, I have to be to work by 2:30.
SOB
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Really pathetic, Funked. You sound like a professional apologist for Liberals. You have an extended stay in Berkeley lately?? Or maybe Ocean Beach(San Diego)??? Careful, you might enter the "Twilight Zone" and become a Gray Davis fan next..........
C.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My dog ran away when I was 12.
Mine did too... right after he bit me on the ass.
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Well long time no see all.
Checking in to drop my 2 cents in that wb situation.
Between AW and Wb I have been flying MMO for about 6 years. the days on AW were magical and the same with my days in WB from ver 2.4 to 2.77 when by last year I pulled the plug in my account and headed to Ivan's theme park.. there were lots of people there and it was fun there for while until Ivan started to make the FM more "euro centric". That and the fact that cheating had be come rampant there, left and figure I hold up until some thing struck me... (on a side note the boys at AGW got wind of my stay at the Ivan's play park and lock out my posting accounts there [sigh]). I guess I'm pesona non grata or something like that. Oh well, they could always be a bit vindictive there. Any way, my feelings about wb is that it will die, the code should and will live on some were. In the mean time I did try AH and it is interesting but it just didn't hit with me... So I waiting with deep breaths for TK the promises land of MMO flight sims and hope the magic can happen again.
It saddens me to see WB dieing. I had many good times and hope that there is a happy ending there. But I don’t think so. As the days close over at WB I hope the best to those that have lost jobs and are sustaining hurt do to the death of WB. I figure it going to get down right mean over there until the fire sale and someone picks up the ball again. Unfortunately, I suspect TK will draw way the homeless, Hard core like me and it will only live in the land of IVAN. That’s I think is the future. Any rate, Like with AW, WB will live in the hearts and mind of those that lived those heady, magical times, in the closing days of the twentieth century
Chi (in AW) Maddog WB
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Or maybe Ocean Beach(San Diego)???
C.
OB a liberial bastion? LMAO! OB is just our little version of Venice Beach and by no means any sort of hot bed of liberal activism.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by SOB
You're gay, and I was going to give you sh*t, because whether the law defines them as such or not, they're still thieves. However, I've been thinking about In-n-Out all morning and I can't muster any rational thought in my mind at the moment. So, what I'd like you to do, is get me a 4x4 and a large fries, then hop on a plane and deliver it to me. And make it snappy, I have to be to work by 2:30.
SOB
Let's try and keep this thread on serious and important matters. Do you have your In-and-Out burger "animal" style or regular?
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Cabby I like PB much better than OB. And even the lefties have turned against Davis now. He is going to be recalled. I don't see how me reading the dictionary and being aware of the legal definition of theft makes me a leftie though.
Pei Animal style is not my thing. They make very nice freshly baked buns. 4x4 gives you the optimum ratio of beef/cheese/bread.
SOB I ate your order, sorry.
Mini-Pee-Pee I love you too. All I'm saying is that if you look up theft in the law book, or you look up theft in the dictionary, it doesn't fit what the Freebirds guys did. Like I said, it's morally wrong and legally questionable, but it's definitely not theft by the strict definition.
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Originally posted by funkedup
All I'm saying is that if you look up theft in the law book, or you look up theft in the dictionary, it doesn't fit what the Freebirds guys did.
Like I said, you're gay. You're also a filthy bastard for eating my lunch!!! But, at least you tossed my salad!
SOB
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Originally posted by Pei
Let's try and keep this thread on serious and important matters. Do you have your In-and-Out burger "animal" style or regular?
hmmm...I've only had the pleasure of going to In-n-out once (well, a few times within a couple of days). I'll have to try them animal style next time, from the description it sounds like it'd be good that way.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
But, at least you tossed my salad!
I can't resist In-N-Out's special sauce.
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Wow Parasite is the correct term for you Boroda, nothing less. And only a parasite would attempt to hide behind nuances in english and 'legaleese' in the way you have done.
I have no love from IEN, but you have done nothing short of kick them in the guts when they are down. Are you the sort of person that would steal food from a hungry child? You mock their angry reactions, yet everyone knows IEN is struggling to make a living, these men have families to feed and you take revel in taking their income away? What sort of reaction did you expect.
Of most concern is that IEN is looking like its on its last legs. So where do the parasites go next once their current 'host' is dead? I hope its not AH.
When I was unsatisfied with IEN I closed my account and HTC got my subscription. If you feel equally unhappy then that is where it should have ended for you too.
You disgust me.