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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 11, 2003, 07:23:14 AM
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Hey! If there's gonna be thousands of dead Iraqis we gonna make 'em dead ourselves! That's what being the only super power is all about! We gonna make 'em free to elect their own leaders! (as long as it's who we want. Kinda like Florida) So who's next? Iran? Korea? Hey, we're on a roll! Let's not stop now!
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Originally posted by Arfann
Hey, we're on a roll! Let's not stop now!
Yeah baby! Preach it on! I'd like to thank Hollywood and the left for inspiring such thoughts as yours for the generations to come! Lets ROLL! (Anxiously awaiting Terminator 3!)
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the dumbacrats are prayin we don't find wmds
God have mercy on the dead, both sides - it was worth it imo
its message to the arab world alone not to mention the freedom it gave to the iraq ppl
still confident wmds will be found
but I'm sure whatever is found will not be enough for those crying about not finding them to date
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Sure the war was worth it...we all know Sadaam was a maniac.
BUT...I have to say that I do feel duped. I went on blind faith that there were WMD and fully supported the US action.
Now I just don't trust GWB. If he went to war to "get Sadaam" fine, but he went to war on the WMD "ticket". He lost credibilty in my mind by doing so.
I'm disappointed.
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You are most likely suffering from "premature disappointmentulation".
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doesn't the end justify the means, Curval? According to Rip and Eagler it sure does. It doesn't matter than the "intelligence" the Bush Administration was wrong (for whatever reason) it just matters that a despot is out of power and a people freed... until they "elect" a theocracy and that sect of Islam persecutes the other sects. Let's hope that's not the case though.
Point is, I agree with Curval. War was definitely worth it in terms of liberation of Iraq, but the pretense for the war (Iraq has WMD and is a clear and present danger to the USA) seems fabricated by the Bush administration at the moment.
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I feel the administration was duped by the CIA intelligence, but I suspect the future may prove me wrong...I still think they've found enough evidence that proves the regrime destroyed many of them(or moved them to adjacent friendly countries like Syria) and purposely played stubborn to achieve their goal, humiliation of the West.
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Originally posted by Toad
You are most likely suffering from "premature disappointmentulation".
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I REALLY hope so Toad..honestly.
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I think they will find some WMDs but not to the scale the intelligence has proclaimed.
They did discover many weapons they were not suppose to have...I mean during the war, we had discoveries of this and that...but a few months later, everyone seems to have forgotten that. They don't want the small clues, just one big smoking gun. And I think Saddam was smarter than that to have one available.
Between what they hid and we blew up, it'll be a difficult search
But its all politics now. Under the Clinton Administration, the Democrats wanted us in there. Under a Republican one, they'll stick their foot out and trip up Bush any way they can. From TAx Cuts to Appointing Judges...its a game of prettythanghole to them. Anything they can do to derail Bush's popularity, they'll do it.
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We allready found mobile Chemical labs in camuflaged military trucks, just like Powelll said Iraq illagally possesed. Frankly Iraq told the UN they had nothing while under direct threat of invasion, they lied they had stuff and we invaded. Thats all the legal justficiation we needed.
The rational and moral justifications and spacific situational conditions for deposing the saddam regime are as endless as they are obvious.
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Was the war worth it?
I'm not sure it was for Britain. Without WOMD; it's quite likely Blair will be ousted, and frankly, I think that's a net loss for the UK
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I think they will find some WMDs but not to the scale the intelligence has proclaimed.
When it comes to WMD, scale is not that important. A pocketful of WMD, properly deployed, can wipe out thousands of people.
If Iraq has no WMD whatsoever, the war was still justified by the threat of WMD. The fact is, Iraq had lots of WMD when it agreed to the cease-fire of the first war. Then Hussein spent 11 years playing cat-and-mouse with UN inspectors, making sure it was impossible to know for sure what the status of his WMD's were. After 9/11 that stopped being cute. So he ended up getting his butt kicked.
The axis of weasels doesn't care about cease-fires or 9/11, they just care about some bogus bureaucratic world order, where the US yields to the votes of countries like Russia and China, even in matters of its own defense.
Anyway, it is still too early to say for sure whether there are any WMD to be found in Iraq. If Hussein had them he did not want them to be easily found. If he didn't have them he had 11 years to meet the UN inspection criteria, and he blew it.
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40 US Soldiers have been killed since the end of hostilities.
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Originally posted by Nifty
doesn't the end justify the means, Curval? According to Rip and Eagler it sure does. It doesn't matter than the "intelligence" the Bush Administration was wrong (for whatever reason) it just matters that a despot is out of power and a people freed... until they "elect" a theocracy and that sect of Islam persecutes the other sects. Let's hope that's not the case though.
Point is, I agree with Curval. War was definitely worth it in terms of liberation of Iraq, but the pretense for the war (Iraq has WMD and is a clear and present danger to the USA) seems fabricated by the Bush administration at the moment.
The "theocracy risk" seem real present today, the Shi'it are mounting a huge "people education system" to have the shaaria as the new constitution of Iraq.
2 Christian Iraqis have already be killed "for selling alchoolic beverage".
Let's hope for the better, anyway, it's their country and they are free to choose wathever they want, now.
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There is no question at least for me whether there is a huge pile of Anthrax loaded missiles in Iraq to give Bush a “See?! I told you so!” The Democrats obviously have mastered the obvious on this as well, and know damn well they can smear and sling mud at will with out a ‘smoking-gun’. I just can’t see Iraq being so inept at letting such crimes like that be discovered.
Look, if you can develop something advanced as biological weapons, (they did), and missiles, (they did), it would take 1/1000th of the effort to make them disappear in very short order. How can you disagree?
There is also no question whether it was worth it to finally liberate a country controlled by that dip**** with Barry Manilow records in his 100 palaces, while his own people he gassed, imprisoned, starved, and murdered. Had they been in a isolated South Pacific Island, it may not have been so urgent, yet the outcome for the Iraq people will be the same at least. Im not calling this a 'heart felt liberation' by any means.
Sure it’s the vital oil reserves and even more important geographical/political location was the real reason for crushing that wannabe Hitler, but it will save tons of US military resources in the end, and certainly take backing away from unknown huge amounts of terrorists. Hello?
And that’s why I care, not because Hussein was killing the fools that empowered him, but cause unlike the Homeland Overreaction Act, THIS will in fact be a blow to terrorism. And I just loathe those fukers that cut down the towers, killing innocent children, and crippling our economy. The quicker we eradicate those extremist bastards, or destroy their means to wage this insane ‘Holy War’ on innocents, because they live a good life, the better.
And unlike the bleeding heart liberals that want to promote their political agenda by bashing Bush, I don’t think we need a “WMD” excuse.
Just saying.
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Wow creamo... a tard with the first decent post in this thread. WTG you homo.
MiniD
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First piece of common sense I've seen from Cream-o-tard. It comes across like a bull in a china shop for effect, but the message is still the same.
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Cream nailed it. Im thinking like that from now on.
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For the first time ever, I can actually say, "Well said Creamo, I agree with you totally on that!"
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pfffft
I don't like being lied to.
I would have supported the war just to get rid of Sadaam...I still support it and the troops for all the reasons Creamo mentions.
But I don't like being lied to.
I still cling to the hope that either the weapons are found or at a minimum evidence supporting the total destruction of them just prior to the war.
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Originally posted by Creamo
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And that’s why I care, not because Hussein was killing the fools that empowered him, but cause unlike the Homeland Overreaction Act, THIS will in fact be a blow to terrorism. And I just loathe those fukers that cut down the towers, killing innocent children, and crippling our economy. The quicker we eradicate those extremist bastards, or destroy their means to wage this insane ‘Holy War’ on innocents, because they live a good life, the better.
A blow to terrorism? Killing off Arabs not associated with the ones who actually did the WTC? This little war thingy is reinforcing the hatred of all Islam against us. A common enemy to unite against under the fundamentalists. A lot like what's happening here, huh? All of Islam a demonized enemy for us to unite against under fundamentalists. It's extremely discouraging to see how many (the large majority, evidently) who can't see this for what it is.
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Originally posted by Arfann
....see this for what it is.
yeah, I do ...
the first step in the right direction
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Originally posted by Arfann
A blow to terrorism? Killing off Arabs not associated with the ones who actually did the WTC? This little war thingy is reinforcing the hatred of all Islam against us. A common enemy to unite against under the fundamentalists. A lot like what's happening here, huh? All of Islam a demonized enemy for us to unite against under fundamentalists. It's extremely discouraging to see how many (the large majority, evidently) who can't see this for what it is.
"Bankrolled" (see bold paragraph below) is supporting terrorism. If the moneys not there, then its "a blow" so to speak ;)
On March 27, 2002, the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) was updated to include 33 groups. This partial list focuses on groups recently engaged in terrorist attacks.
State-Sponsored Terrorism
The U.S. State Department has designated the following countries state sponsors of international terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria. Though most no longer engage directly in terrorist activity themselves, they may support terrorist groups by providing funding or arms.
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) The smallest and most radical of the Islamic separatist groups operating in the southern Philippines. Some ASG members developed ties to the mujahideen while fighting in Afghanistan but the group is largely profit-driven. Activities: Kidnappings, extortion, murder—in 2001–2002 the group held an American missionary couple and other hostages, several of whom were killed in a shoot-out with Philippine troops.
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, IG) Egypt's largest militant group, IG's primary goal is to replace Egyptian government with an Islamic state. Activities: Armed attacks against Egyptian government officials and Coptic Christians. Launched the 1997 attack at Luxor that killed 58 foreign tourists. Attempted to assassinate Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak in 1995.
Al-Jihad/Islamic Egyptian Jihad Active since the late 1970s, al-Jihad was established to overthrow the Egyptian government and create an Islamic state. Vehemently anti-U.S. and anti-Israel. Activities: Armed attacks and car bombings aimed at U.S. and Egyptian facilities. Carried out the 1981 assassination of President Anwar Sadat. Merged with al-Qaeda in June 2001; its leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is Osama bin Laden's closest adviser.
Al-Qaeda Established in the late 1980s by Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda's current stated goals are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia; destroy Israel; and topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East. Al-Qaeda also aims to unite all Muslims and establish, by force, a global Islamic caliphate. Activities: Include the Aug. 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa, the Oct. 2000 suicide attack on the U.S.S. Cole, the Sept. 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)/Salafi Group for Call and Combat (GSPC) Extremist group that aims to replace the secular Algerian regime with an Islamic state. Activities: Between 1992 and 1998 the group massacred an estimated 100,000 civilians; violence resumed again in 2001.
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) Spanish separatist group created in 1959 with the aim of establishing an independent Basque homeland. Activities: Bombings and assassinations of Spanish government officials.
Hamas Formed in late 1987 to establish an Islamic Palestinian state in place of Israel. Some elements work through mosques and social service institutions. Militant elements advocate and use violence. Activities: Many attacks, including suicide bombings, against Israeli civilian and military targets; major force in both intifadas.
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) Islamic militant group based in Pakistan that operates primarily in Kashmir. The group has been linked to Osama bin Laden and in 1998 called for attacks on the U.S. and Western interests. Activities: Attacks against Indian troops, Western tourists, and civilian targets in Kashmir. Hijacked Indian airliner in Dec. 1999 to bargain for release of a number of Indian-held prisoners, including Ahmad Omar Sheikh, who in July 2002 was sentenced to death for the abduction and murder of U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl.
Hezbollah Extremist Shi'ite group that aims for the creation of Iranian-style Islamic republic in Lebanon. Formed in 1982 after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the group is strongly anti-West and anti-Israel. Activities: Anti-Israeli and anti-U.S. attacks, including the suicide truck bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks and embassy in Beirut in 1983.
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) Islamic extremist group formed in early 2000 by Masood Azhar, whose release from prison was a condition for the freeing of hostages from an Indian airliner hijacked in Dec. 1999. JEM's overriding objective is Pakistani control of Kashmir. Activities: Claimed responsibility for the Oct. 2001 suicide attack on the Kashmir legislative assembly building; implicated, along with Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, in the Dec. 2001 attack on the Indian parliament.
Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) Established in 1974 as a Marxist-Leninist insurgent group primarily composed of Turkish Kurds. Seeks an independent Kurdish state in southeast Turkey. Activities: Attacks on Turkish diplomatic and commercial facilities in dozens of West European cities in 1993 and 1995. Attacks on tourists and tourist sites.
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT) One of the largest militant groups seeking Pakistani control of Kashmir. Activities: Responsible for numerous attacks on Indian military and civilian targets in Kashmir since 1993. Implicated in the Dec. 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament.
The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) The most powerful Tamil group in Sri Lanka. Seeks to create an independent Tamil state. Began its armed conflict with the Sri Lankan government in 1983. Activities: Political assassinations of Sri Lankan president Ranasinghe Remadasa in 1993 and Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1991. Massive truck bombings. NOTE: In Feb. 2002, the Sri Lankan government and the Tamil Tigers declared a cease-fire that thus far has held.
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK/MKO) An Iranian Marxist-Islamic organization founded in the 1960s. MEK, both anti-Western and against Iran's clerical regime, is bankrolled by Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Activities: Murdered dozens of top-level Iranian officials since 1981. Aided Iraqi government in suppression of anti-Hussein Shia and Kurdish uprisings in 1991.
The Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) Loosely affiliated factions committed to the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel through holy war. Activities: Suicide bombing attacks against Israeli targets.
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) Marxist-Leninist group founded in 1967 by a former PLO member. Activities: International terrorist attacks in the 1970s; since then, attacks against Israelis and moderate Arabs; assassination of right-wing Israeli cabinet minister Rehavam Ze'evi in Oct. 2001.
Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA) Launched early in 1998 in protest of Sinn Fein's Sept.1997 adoption of the principles of democracy and non-violence in the pursuit of an all-Irish state; opposed to the Dec. 1999 amendments to the Irish Constitution that retract the Republic's claim to the six northern counties. Composed primarily of members of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement and defectors from the IRA. Activities: Bombings, assassinations, and robberies targeting British military and police as well as Protestants in Northern Ireland. Considered responsible for the Aug.1998 car bombing in Omagh, Northern Ireland, and attacks on the British mainland, such as the 2001 bombing of MI6 headquarters in London.
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) Best-trained and best-equipped guerrilla organization in Colombia. Established in 1964 as military wing of Colombian Communist Party, seeks to overthrow the government. Anti-U.S. since its inception. Activities: Armed attacks against Colombian political and military targets. Traffics in drugs.
Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA) Extreme leftist group that developed out of the opposition to the military junta that ruled Greece from 1967 to 1974. Self-described revolutionary, anticapitalist, and anti-imperialist group that is strongly anti-U.S. and seeks the removal of U.S. military forces from Greece. Activities: Bombings against Greek government and economic targets as well as U.S. military and business facilities. Claimed joint responsibility (with terrorist group 1 May) for more than 20 bombings in 1991.
Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path, or SL) Formed by Maoist professor Abimael Guzman in the late 1960s. Seeks to replace Peruvian institutions with a communist peasant revolutionary regime. Activities: One the most ruthless terrorist groups in the West, SL has killed about 30,000 people since 1980. Although the Shining Path waned during the 1990s it has begun a regroup since 2000.
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Originally posted by Creamo
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There is also no question whether it was worth it to finally liberate a country controlled by that dip**** with Barry Manilow records in his 100 palaces, while his own people he gassed, imprisoned, starved, and murdered. Had they been in a isolated South Pacific Island, it may not have been so urgent, yet the outcome for the Iraq people will be the same at least. Im not calling this a 'heart felt liberation' by any means.
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Just saying.
From the heart, I say that I hope those Barry Manilow records became "collatteral damage" That alone would be justification.
Just saying.:D :D :D
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Creamo, I love ya, but on what do you base the belief that Iraq supported terrorists that target the U.S.? Every such indicator has, when you get to its roots, come from a government or intelligence official/agency simply asserting it is so. There have been no demonstrated money trails, wire taps recordings, videos/photographs of meetings between Iraqi officials (or their proxies) and Al Qaeda members (or their proxies), or any other hard evidence made available to the public. Even Rip's article above is just a government agency making a claim without presenting any evidence to support it.
These are the same government or intelligence officials/agencies that presented the WMD case. And if we find out that some of these people didn't verify their intelligence, hyped shaky intelligence, or outright fabricated intelligence regarding WMD to help sell the war, how can we trust what they assured us was true regarding Iraq's ties to Al Qaeda?
Hey, I am not sure that we've been misled or lied to. I hope we haven't been, otherwise the near future is going to be ugly for the country. But given the circumstances, I don't think its wrong to start questioning what we've been told.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"Bankrolled" (see bold paragraph below) is supporting terrorism. If the moneys not there, then its "a blow" so to speak ;)
And our aggressive military actions will make it much easier for the baddies to acquire financing, even from those regimes we hadn't pissed off/on before.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
[BMujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK/MKO) An Iranian Marxist-Islamic organization founded in the 1960s. MEK, both anti-Western and against Iran's clerical regime, is bankrolled by Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Activities: Murdered dozens of top-level Iranian officials since 1981. Aided Iraqi government in suppression of anti-Hussein Shia and Kurdish uprisings in 1991.
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They gotta nerve, messin' with Iran. The fundamentalist controlled Iran. The Iran we gettin' lined up in our sights right now. Better hurry, while there's some left to destroy!
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Originally posted by Eagler
yeah, I do ...
the first step in the right direction
So what's the next step, Missionaries with military back-up? Gotta get 'em ta believe our book, not their book, cause our book's the right book, right? Nuttin like a little para-assault proselityzin'.
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Originally posted by Arfann
And our aggressive military actions will make it much easier for the baddies to acquire financing, even from those regimes we hadn't pissed off/on before.
Got facts and data supporting that opinion? Or is it just another worthless lefty opinion? (ie: Mostly rhetoric, no substance)
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Originally posted by Arfann
So what's the next step, Missionaries with military back-up? Gotta get 'em ta believe our book, not their book, cause our book's the right book, right? Nuttin like a little para-assault proselityzin'.
And peace-niks wonder why they lost the debate on the war.
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Originally posted by ra
And peace-niks wonder why they lost the debate on the war.
LMAO!
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I wonder Nuke did not post a statement here :D NUUUUKKEEEE. We need ur advise :D
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Originally posted by Lance
Creamo, I love ya, but on what do you base the belief that Iraq supported terrorists that target the U.S.? Every such indicator has, when you get to its roots, come from a government or intelligence official/agency simply asserting it is so. There have been no demonstrated money trails, wire taps recordings, videos/photographs of meetings between Iraqi officials (or their proxies) and Al Qaeda members (or their proxies), or any other hard evidence made available to the public. Even Rip's article above is just a government agency making a claim without presenting any evidence to support it.
These are the same government or intelligence officials/agencies that presented the WMD case. And if we find out that some of these people didn't verify their intelligence, hyped shaky intelligence, or outright fabricated intelligence regarding WMD to help sell the war, how can we trust what they assured us was true regarding Iraq's ties to Al Qaeda?
Hey, I am not sure that we've been misled or lied to. I hope we haven't been, otherwise the near future is going to be ugly for the country. But given the circumstances, I don't think its wrong to start questioning what we've been told.
Iraq has poured millions of dollars into anti-American efforts. READ- Terrorism. Wake up Tardo.
You have been lied too Gordo, of course. Duh?! Could the United States achieve anything if it was debated in a San Francisco hairy armpit diesel dike rally? Please. And you’re not sure, but I am. I guess this puts a clairvoyant power upon me, to decipher the obvious? Come on.
Just tell me Iraq didn’t support terrorism, and can actually support it now, in any form, now that they are going to have a oil production that enriches most of their peoples, eliminates their poverty, stops the imprisonment of political free thinkers, and makes the country a global trader. Minus a dictator.
When the Iraq High School Graduates are happy and have a pot (to piss in- just in case that wasn’t a good lead-in), where’s the religion? They are going to volunteer for the Republican Guard? Where’s your religion before someone actually dies Lance? You don’t think there is millions of 18 year old Iraqi’s that don’t want to do “Vodka Kamikazes” fuk, and have running water without political persecution, instead of fighting for the Republican Guard?
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man you guys are so easy to dupe. you have been lied to by your government and you dont seem to care at all. yes its good saddam is gone but what he did dosnt even come close to what people have been doing in africa yet we wont even think about going into there. we still havnt found bin ladden or saddam and because of the war in iraq . al queda is stronger. and new york is still waiting for 1 penny of that cash bush promised them.
there are more and more reports that they knew iraq didnt have anything. the thing that bothers me is the amount of lies that are comming out of the white house these days that we are not calling them on. We didnt seem to have any problem calling clinton on his. All the lies about france that were feed to the french, the wmd stuff( trailors that make hydrogen gass are not wmds), the money promised to new york, the tax cuts that supposed to benefit everyone, the connections with enron. the slime just keeps oozeing off these guys.
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Seems to me that Bush has a problem with what the definition of "is" is. I mean, give me a break, those trailers "are" WMD??? Oh well, at least he didn't lie about anything quite as important as his sexual relations, right?
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Tax cuts are supposed to help working men and women struggling with families, not snot nosed little kids living and touring Europe with Mommy and Daddy after 17.
You’re supposed to be making money and paying taxes Frog, not staying in the fold out bed at the hotel with your parents, contributing zero to the economy.
Bribe them for a car and apply for a job.
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Erl you are funny, so I guess to you its not illegal to have a secret meth lab if you are on probation for drug offenses...
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
man you guys are so easy to dupe. you have been lied to by your government and you dont seem to care at all. yes its good saddam is gone but what he did dosnt even come close to what people have been doing in africa yet we wont even think about going into there. we still havnt found bin ladden or saddam and because of the war in iraq . al queda is stronger. and new york is still waiting for 1 penny of that cash bush promised them.
there are more and more reports that they knew iraq didnt have anything. the thing that bothers me is the amount of lies that are comming out of the white house these days that we are not calling them on. We didnt seem to have any problem calling clinton on his. All the lies about france that were feed to the french, the wmd stuff( trailors that make hydrogen gass are not wmds), the money promised to new york, the tax cuts that supposed to benefit everyone, the connections with enron. the slime just keeps oozeing off these guys.
That "Why aren't we in Africa?" arguement is about as lame as they come. Lied to? I think this Administration was given bad or possibly misleading information regarding WMD in Iraq by the CIA...but I may be proven wrong. Will you still be here to admit you're wrong if they do find more than what they already have found regarding fabrication of such WMD???
Also, have any facts and data proving that Al Queda is stronger? Please bring it to the table. :)
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ooo creamo is talking about things he has absolutely no idea so he needs to bring out the personal trash talk. if its ment to help the working people then why dosnt it give anything to people making under 30k a year, and not much of anything for people making under 60k a year. and why people that make 200k+ a year get thousands back and billionares get millions back. its a lie.
im in college traveling europe with my friends i have no shame.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
im in college traveling europe with my friends i have no shame.
Aha!~ Now we know why you've no common sense! ;)
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I love it when Frogm4n posts... it gives me something....
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TO POOP ON !
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LOL Froggy! I do believe you have no idea just how much money people do/don't pay in taxes and even less comprehension on just how much they do/don't get back. So keep sucking on mama's tit and pretending it doesn't make you ignorant. Its funny to watch and only makes me want you more. Another year or two of this and you'll be as dumb and sexy as Animal.
MiniD
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Awww, snookums, don't be mad! All I did was ask you a question. Which you still didn't answer. You just regurgitated the sales pitch. I don't blame you, it does not sit well with my stomache either.
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Im sure people under 30K with snot nosed kids get some indeed, and Im sure you ain't getting any ***** Frog! Hug Jerry and your other college buddy Ken.
Skip along with your friends! "Look, it's a Swiss Cheese Factory Biff!" Weeeeeeee! "Oh you goof, you are crazy Ken!" "I know, lets take a picture next to the Windmills." "We are Nuts!" Hurry though, Mom said be back at the tour bus in 30 minutes you crazy goof."
The truth aint trash, now go film a bridge in England you homo.
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LOL :) You are evil Creamo...
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if its ment to help the working people then why dosnt it give anything to people making under 30k a year, and not much of anything for people making under 60k a year. and why people that make 200k+ a year get thousands back and billionares get millions back. its a lie.
Mathematics not your strong suit?
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Originally posted by Lance
Awww, snookums, don't be mad! All I did was ask you a question. Which you still didn't answer. You just regurgitated the sales pitch. I don't blame you, it does not sit well with my stomache either.
Just one.
...but on what do you base the belief that Iraq supported terrorists that target the U.S.?
In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."
In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.
Lance, you fool. Don't go toe to toe.
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I missed the question in that reply lance. Maybe it was hidden by all the other **** you were saying.
Here's a question for you gordo:
"Bill Clinton ordered one cruise missle attack during his presidency. What country did those missiles hit and why were they sent?"
I challenge you to find one administration in the last 20 years that denied Iraq's ongoing roll in supporting terrorist activities. Hell... did you ever wonder why there were sanctions against them?
Are we being lied too? I don't know. Have we been lied to in the past? Yes... by everyone that has ever been in office. Are we going to be lied to in the future? Yes, by everyone that enters the office.
That does nothing to negate the fact that something needed to be done in response to countries that if they had no direct involvement with 9/11 really wish they had. Praising the efforts of one group of terrorists while supporting others (and quite possible them) was definately the wrong thing to do. The world could see this one coming from up to 12500 miles away... why couldn't you?
MiniD
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Ohhhh this is gettin better now... *takin a backseat with some popcorn.....*
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My Preciousssss...
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Originally posted by Lance
Awww, snookums,
That is SO funny! My grandmother still calls my Dad "Snookums" or "Snooky". :) She's 94 ;)
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How can in a interesting thread of fun bashing, can you be such a mindless diptoejam dripsnore?
I mean 3rd graders telling pig in the mud jokes would stop and look, ....
miffed.
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Originally posted by ra
And peace-niks wonder why they lost the debate on the war.
There was no debate. Dubya used 9/11 to further his and his cronies agenda. War was a foregone conclusion from early on. I told the peace niks I know they were wasting their time protesting and all. It was a done deal.
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Originally posted by Arfann
Dubya used 9/11 to further his and his cronies agenda.
To steal the oil, right? Am I right? Am I? Am I? Am I?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Lied to? I think this Administration was given bad or possibly misleading information regarding WMD in Iraq by the CIA...but I may be proven wrong.
I see...the CIA runs the country now?
The guy in charge ALWAYS gets the blame Rip...always. Don't try and push it off to those bad CIA guys...they take orders (or should) from the head honcho. That is GWB.
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i can only dream of being as sexy as Animal.
ooo and it sounds like someone is jealous.
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Originally posted by Curval
I see...the CIA runs the country now?
The guy in charge ALWAYS gets the blame Rip...always. Don't try and push it off to those bad CIA guys...they take orders (or should) from the head honcho. That is GWB.
oH I agree, the Big guy takes the heat and regardless of bad info, he still made the right choice going in....there are countless families who lost loved ones to the regrime that would agree.
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Originally posted by Toad
You are most likely suffering from "premature disappointmentulation".
;)
Quoting Don King, you're scaring me.
WMD? Find them or not, I think we couldn't afford to take a chance. A message has to be sent. If you are going to start attacking our cities, we are going to attack yours. Proof he was connected to terrorists? So, what, we can't show evidence so we let them get away with it? Sorry.
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You are right, Creamo. I admit it. Saddam was an evil *******, and I had lost sight of that fact. I realize now that it doesn't really matter if we were knowingly misled or lied to by elements of our government in the process of going to war as long as the person we are going to war with is an evil *******. Besides, as MiniD pointed out, we are lied to all the time, so its okay.
I just hope that you will forgive me, and that this turns out to be only a hiccup in our otherwise fulfilling relationship.
Hugs and kisses,
Gordo
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I feel the administration was duped by the CIA intelligence
The CIA will not be the fall guys for this one Rip, there were enough pre-war leaks of CIA analysis to derail your theory.
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LOL, I can hardly wait.
There is going to be no fall guy. Proof of WMD's already exists.
France, Germany, Russia, and the U.N. have already themselves said there were WMD's in Iraq. Many of you people are conveniently forgetting this, in an effort to find fault w/ GWB.
Still, I believe more hard data will be forthcoming from Iraq. Of course, you anti GWB fellows will already have your fingers on the keyboard, ready to type things like: The WMD's were planted! or maybe: these reports are fabricated!!!
Naturally, you'll have no evidence to support your assertions, but the argument will suit your position, so proof will be unnecessary.
Fear not you Bush/republican haters, GWB only has 5+ years in office left!
Have you all run out and bought your Hillary books yet? She is going to be your democratic leader in the '08 elections. How proud of that you must be!
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They all came out of the wordwork for this party, eh?
Bush says what he thinks and does what he says. In this case, I wouldnt be surprised if Iraqi "informants" gave American intelligence misleading information in order to ensure that we came in and removed Saddam.
Either way, I really dont care. IMO, Bush did the right thing, and hes got a hell of alot more information about the situation than I do.
Whether or not we achieved our primary goal of locating and destroying WMD is irrelevant IMO - the world is a better and safer place without Saddam. Sure, it would have been nice to find the weapons, and now the possibiliy exists that the weapons have been moved elsewhere and can still be used, but I dont think you can find fault in our removal of a man like Saddam.
Slinging mud about whether or not we were "lied" to is useless. You may win the battle, but youll lose the war. the arguments that are voiced by the anti-Bush/anti-Republican types are getting more and more desperate and more and more hollow. No one is listening anymore.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
To steal the oil, right? Am I right? Am I? Am I? Am I?
Yes, actually, you are right. So far right it's amazing you don't fall off the edge of the earth. But "correct"? No. Never. At least not yet. But thanks for playing.
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Originally posted by Arfann
So far right it's amazing you don't fall off the edge of the earth.
Irrefutable evidence of Arfann's lack of touch with reality! Everyone knows there is a fence rim around the edge to keep you from falling off!
Sheesh!
:D
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Wow gordo... noticed its you dodging questions now. Wierd how that can be turned around in an instant.
How do you know a politician is lieing? His lips are moving.
Ever wonder why that joke was made?
And... ever wonder how showing some facts but not others is always seen as lieing by the opposition... despite their propensity to do the same thing?
Is it all right? I guess so... people keep voting for the same people that keep lieing.
Funny thing about saying things like this... one side always believes you're only talking about the other.
MiniD
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strong contender for 'most depressing thread - 2003' award.
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Where is the stolen oil Arfann? Where? How many gallons????? Wheres the evidence..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Where is the stolen oil Arfann? Where? How many gallons????? Wheres the evidence..
Buried right next to the WMD no doubt.
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Creamo,
Good post.
War was worth it. I am personally glad that that POS is gone and not ruling that nation. Plain and simple. Do I feel that I have been "lied" to? No. WMD's were one of the reasons we went into Iraq. Will we find them? I have no idea but like I mentioned in another post.
Drive through New Mexico some time. Bury something just a couple of hundred yards off the highway. Once you have done that, have someone look for it. GOOD LUCK.
My 2 cents.