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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jordi on June 11, 2003, 05:19:33 PM
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These people already have !
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=88902&referrerid=4535
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You can still REGISTER AT . . .
http://www.hitechcreations.com/indycon.html
Cost: $165.00 (on a space available basis) if registering after May 31, 2003
We have 75 REGISTERED with another dozen spouces. Throw in different guest and we are between 90 and 100 total.
Sorted by IN GAME NAME
IN GAME NAME / REAL NAME
1ijac - Jim Boyd
38MAW - Bill Sills
3rdINF - Mike Lindsey
40DogMAW - Tearched Scott
55Tdoc - Tom Dagney
AB8AAC - Frank Williams
ALASKN - Joseph Paddock
ALF - Michael Baldi
Alpo - Rick Haan
AwTD - Kenneth Price
BH-CAF - James Weller
BOX - Jess Ledford
BWKR - Gary Warfle
CanDo - Kevin Towndrow
Cerebuss - Mike Warfle
CIU - Stanley Lowe
Concho - Cody Cory
Curval - Christopher Morris
Damn Keg - Chris Shultz
Ded111th - Mario Marez
DL - Rick Belovsky
DmdBen - Bernd Hauschildt
DmdDano - Dan Jones
DuBe - Robert Dube
Dux - Chester Beals
Eagle - James Delaney
ERG - Daniel Kjar
Fly1 - Sam Stokes
Frstrm - Michel Lowrance
GhstDncr - Darren Gideon
Grimm - Randall Page
Gunner - David Gundlach
Gunns - Kevin Evans
hap - Richard Oliver
Hawkeye - William Fead
Hawklore - Josh Turner
HiJacker - William Jackson
jarbo - James Pace
JB42 - Steve Wellman
JB73 - David Ray
Joker312 - John Samacicia
Kaisr - Thomas Neumann
Karaya2 - Jason Dolinski
KblrCAF - Daniel Veglahn
KOOL - John Wickman
Lace - Weston Stover
Lone Wolf - Rex Grozier
loser111 - Blair Dunbar
lowridin - Todd Layton
Lucky7 - David Meriwether
moose - Adam Muse
oct - Patrick Masarik
Pistol - Louis Jordan
PT - Steve Fridley
Rapier - Roger Mogan
Rebul - Mike Blakeney
REDSABER - Dennis Devenport
Ribbs - David Patterson
ROK - Ross Wilson
Sabre - Richard Jernejcic
Seadog - David Morris
SlvrFox - Jim Ridge
sqwurl - Craig Beaty
Starbird - Nicholas Ristow
Stegahorse - John Stevens
STICK - Lance Govang
T2MAW - Jack Carter
Terror - Aaron Edwards
Vaq - Daniel Dibben
Verm - Christopher Arrington
VgasX - Darrin Lytton
Wax - Rick Hansen
xbrit - Jim Bissell
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Anyone remember how this years total compares with last years total?
I suspect the move from Dallas is going to hurt numbers.
curly
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We are at about 87 total attendees ( Pilots and Spouses / guest ). Once you add in guest speakers and all and other unlisted people we are at 90+.
Figure in another month for stragglers to sign up and we should top 100.
I THINK I heard there was 120 last year ?
Yes some people who live in TX are not coming - but those that could not make it to TX in previous years are making it to Indy.
Heck I drove 14 hrs from Indy to the AW CON in TX in '99 - just to show it could be done if you really wanted to GO !
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
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By moving the COn location you inevitably move farther from some people, but closer to others (or like me....the difference is a huge 27 miles....).
Keeping the CON in one location assures a certain group will attend more frequently, while the rest of the country feels left out. Tennessee or there abouts would be the 'best' from an east coast centralized local standpoint, while the west coast would need to be Nevada for the best coverage. By moving the CON at least some of the time outside TX, it gives others a chance to attend without the plane ride. I think moving the CON will have a great impact on the game allowing more players to do the CON thing.
(http://www.combathanger.com/con2003.jpg) (http://www.combathanger.com)
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Agreed, Alf... and once they're able to attend a "nearby" con, they'll find out how much fun they are, and will be more willing to make the next Con, regardless of location.
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Originally posted by Dux
Agreed, Alf... and once they're able to attend a "nearby" con, they'll find out how much fun they are, and will be more willing to make the next Con, regardless of location.
I was turned off by the con not being in Texas. Just doesn't seem right without the HTC crew there mingling with the community and hosting the show like last time. I'm sure others feel the same.
Though I do hope more players get the bug from this years con and attend '04.
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Originally posted by ALF
Nic PIC !
Will keep it in mind if you do not mind.
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
(http://www.combathanger.com/con2003.jpg) (http://www.combathanger.com)
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Originally posted by jordi
Nic PIC !
Will keep it in mind if you do not mind.
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
I sent you that pic 3 months ago :D
BTW....the original is huge (4500x5000 or so) so it scales up perfectly.
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I only recognize a couple of IDs on that list.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
I only recognize a couple of IDs on that list.
MiniD
I rarely fly the MA but I recognize about 40%.
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
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From AH or AW?
MiniD
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Same here mini, course I haven't flown since January. How people don't get burn out amazes me.
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I'm guessing that list is alot of AW converts to AH, I only recognize about 8 names. If you know 40% of those guys with limited MA time, it’s gotta be AW players me thinks. Nothing wrong with that though.
Indy is a cool, clean town, and pry a good location for a con. Chicago would be easier for people to just fly into, while being centrally located as well, but I’m guessing Jordi is from there, making planning much easier, and it should go over well. Plus, being from Chicago, there is way to much distraction and trouble to get into.
If people really like to attend these functions, they can get there with a little extra effort.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I only recognize a couple of IDs on that list.
MiniD
Same here! Hey, it might even be safe for me to show up, although my insurers would void my policy - LOL. Would like to have met MiniD and Creamo.
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Originally posted by Mini D
From AH or AW?
MiniD
Most I recognize from AH Scenarios and TOD/Squadops.
Now granted - most of them tend to also be EX-AW Pilots - but they DO FLY AH.
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
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Jordi How many pics are in option for the T-shirt? And may I suggest we do a vote for them?
PS:What the hats gonna look like?
I got one more week b4 I'm gone to bootcamp.
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Hope to have something by Tuesday.
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
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Originally posted by Mini D
I only recognize a couple of IDs on that list.
MiniD
Not to put too fine a point on it, there at least 30 guys on that list that have been playing Aces High under the same callsign since 2001. Of those 30 or so, at least 9 have been playing under the same callsign since the year 2000.
Using Jordi's list as it appears for "name recognition" purposes, there are 38 players on it that have been playing the game since before Tour 30 (07-03-02 to 08-05-02), which is the earliest Tour in which I can find a score for...doesn't matter. :)
I cannot account for changed callsigns, of course, since I am using Jordi's list as is (of the callsigns as they appear on the list, 29% had no data to retrieve).
29% no data (some callsigns on the list I recognized as different from in-game, but resolved to use Jordi's list as it appears)
13% since the year 2000
26% since the year 2001
29% since the year 2002
3% this year (2003)
for what it's worth:)
(of course the most enthusiastic '03 Con attendee, Hawklore, flys H2H thus has no data)
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And for what its worth... I still don't recognize many.
But then most being new since 2002 seems new to some... not so new to others.
Still seems like an old AWers con more than an AH con. I can think of 5 rather large squads that have been around since the start of the game with zero representation there. I wonder how many cons there have been where that's been the case.
MiniD
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MiniD...it appears that you are hinting that as the FDBs are not attending it isn't a "real" con?
It must be great to be as cool as you guys....one day (sigh)..one day.
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for what it's worth my first tour with stats was tour 25 (Feb 2002) and i never played another flight sim before this ;)
my CO on the other hand JB42... he flew AW for a long time and came here in what seems to be tour 21 (Dec 2001)
our squad (Jabostaffel) is over 4 years old im told by JB42.
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Originally posted by Curval
MiniD...it appears that you are hinting that as the FDBs are not attending it isn't a "real" con?
It must be great to be as cool as you guys....one day (sigh)..one day.
Not hinting... and nothing to do with the FDBs. If the con doesn't advertise free chicken wings at the bar, its doubtfull fdbs will show.
Look through the list curval, and see if you can find 4 or 5 other large squads that have zero representation.
Alot of newer squads there, no older ones.
What I'm saying is that alot of the changes in the arenas in the past year are reflected by the con attendance. Its sad to see for anyone that's been here since the beta days.
MiniD
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Well, in a way that signals progress.
I'm disappointed there isn't more O'Club posters.
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In this buisness... progress also involves relationships with old customers as well as new. I can't help but wonder if one set has been alienated. I wanted to go to the con, but I looked at the list and didn't see anyone familiar. I decided not to go as a result.
I'm also sure a number of other factors have come into play like the economy and so forth... so no real accustions or criticisms.... just an observation.
MiniD
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I know that when I hosted the AW CON in 2000 - of the 170+ attendees - for almost 1/2 the 2000 CON had been thier FIRST CON.
Yes it meant that some people who had been to many CON's before did not make it because of the locale - but it also meant there was a fresh new crop of people who after they experienced thier FIRST CON were already planning to attend the next no matter where it was.
Catch 22 - no matter where it is hosted. Yes a contingent from and or near TX will not attend - but many more first timers will be exposed to what a CON is all about - and if it is in TX next year - they may try to attend where they may not have tried in the years before.
Mike Bowman
AH CON 2003 Host
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I'm all for 1/2 the people at the con being new. I just wish the other half weren't all new too.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
In this buisness... progress also involves relationships with old customers as well as new. I can't help but wonder if one set has been alienated. I wanted to go to the con, but I looked at the list and didn't see anyone familiar. I decided not to go as a result.
I'm also sure a number of other factors have come into play like the economy and so forth... so no real accustions or criticisms.... just an observation.
MiniD
You are being your usual observant self. I see exactly what you're talking about. Been wondering about the alienation thing myself.
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I don’t think it’s a slight on HTC’s part at all, I think there is just a lot of AW peoples in that list as well as new players, which is to be expected. That fact was noted.
What MiniT was saying is the list excluded a lot of old school AH players if you will, from Beta. I think Jordi missed the point. Sure you see these names in scenarios, now, but 1 or 2 cons ago they were pry in AW.
That, and the location would have a lot to do with squad participation in that the fat gay bastards for instance, like Fatty, Gordo, Sling etc… were Dallas area based. Not sure how you came to that conclusion Curv about “being cool” and whatnot, but you got the idea.
If the last con had 120, and this approaches that number, it really doesn’t matter. Just have the cams running, take some photos, have a blast, and although Ill be on vacation, I can’t wait to get back and hear the whines from the evil con mission.
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Originally posted by jordi
and if it is in TX next year - they may try to attend where they may not have tried in the years before.
sorry to say but unless i know im gettin laid by 20 hot strippers while swimming in beer i wont be able to get all the way to texas for next year...
or if i get a MUCH better paying job ;)
just a head's up ;)
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I cant speak for everyone else, but Ive been around since earliest beta, and been a memeber for many years (just ask the wife:eek: )
I have changed my name twice, I was actually ALF way back when, then went to wiarwis after the beta was over and I couldnt remember my logon....later I opened a second acount under 2late4u on a temporary basis....that became permenent when I got a ½ off offer in email and was told I could not transfer it to my primary account.....later still I got around to emailing HT about the option of recovering my old handle of ALF (seems they never clear the handles)....so now Im ME AGAIN.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Alot of newer squads there, no older ones.
Sir, define "older" please. The Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group has been around for a long time. DHBG predates Aces High.:)
I quote directly from the DHBG website (bombergroup.com)
"The DHBG is a senior squadron that has been with Aces High since beta testing. Prior to that we were in WarBirds dating from ver.1.0. Over the years the DHBG has maintained its stability and integrity by offering membership to those who show maturity and enjoy being team players."
(http://members.aol.com/naa60512/dhbghanger)
The old DHBG Hangar in North Africa during the WarBirds campaign years
(image and text from bombergroup.com)
The AH Con is not in Dallas this year. Aw shucks. An uninformed person might begin to think that non-attending “old” players from non-attending “old” squads are in some way trying to pressure HTC into bringing the Con back to Texas by their non-attendance. The inmates trying to run the asylum. Might work, you never know. Personally I do not give a whiz where it is. I like to drive, and driving to Indy will not take any longer than driving to Dallas did.
Could it possibly be that HTC just doesn’t want to deal with the incredible headache (huge to Jordi here) of organizing and babysitting this thing in their own back yard again (so to speak)? We will find out next year. Maybe it will be in Canada so loser doesn't have to drive so far.
…and this new player (or squad) / old player (or squad) thing- is this sort of a “mine’s bigger” game?
cool
mine's bigger :D
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Originally posted by VAQ
Sir, define "older" please. The Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group has been around for a long time. DHBG predates Aces High.:)
I quote directly from the DHBG website (bombergroup.com)
"The DHBG is a senior squadron that has been with Aces High since beta testing. Prior to that we were in WarBirds dating from ver.1.0. Over the years the DHBG has maintained its stability and integrity by offering membership to those who show maturity and enjoy being team players."
(http://members.aol.com/naa60512/dhbghanger)
The old DHBG Hangar in North Africa during the WarBirds campaign years
(image and text from bombergroup.com)
The AH Con is not in Dallas this year. Aw shucks. An uninformed person might begin to think that non-attending “old” players from non-attending “old” squads are in some way trying to pressure HTC into bringing the Con back to Texas by their non-attendance. The inmates trying to run the asylum. Might work, you never know. Personally I do not give a whiz where it is. I like to drive, and driving to Indy will not take any longer than driving to Dallas did.
Could it possibly be that HTC just doesn’t want to deal with the incredible headache (huge to Jordi here) of organizing and babysitting this thing in their own back yard again (so to speak)? We will find out next year. Maybe it will be in Canada so loser doesn't have to drive so far.
…and this new player (or squad) / old player (or squad) thing- is this sort of a “mine’s bigger” game?
cool
mine's bigger :D
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What was your ID in the DHBG in WB?
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This tops most whines...
A Guy (jordi) does a HUGE service by hosting a CON. Where? in his home town. He does this just to give to the community. And folks complain...
Some might like it better in TX, Some might like it better up north.
::Shrug:: Its nice to see an alternate location.
One thing, HTC doesnt have to put nearly the man hours into a CON this year and can spend them on improving AH. Seems like a good situation.
I couldnt make TX last year, The CON was too close in date to the Biggest Aviation event in the USA, and that was my priorty.
(nearly a million attend that one each year)
OK.. on to the whos is bigger contest....
Lets see, my squad has been around since 1994.
I flew AH Beta, AW, and even messed around with AWDos.
Before that I flew sims on my C64, and before that back in the mid 80s I had a online RPG character "Ace" on Qlink.
AND (dadadadummmmm) Im going to the CON! ;)
Back to Jordi....,
He deserves better than complaints for hosting. He deserves some thanks.
Thank you Jordi!
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Ummmmm... enough of the "mine is bigger" stuff. The only real insults that have been thrown around in this thread have just come from you two.
I have been looking for people willing to go to the con this year. People that I know or recognize. I am simply stating that point here. No criticizm on the person throwing the party. I haven't gone to the Aces High Con forum and spammed it with ill will about the con nor tried to undermine anything. I have not seen anyone else doing it either. You may want to find another way to find fault with those not attending.
This post was made in the General Discussion forum. I am making a general observation about the subject. Get over it.
MiniD
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Relax Grimm, Jordi is putting the con together, very well. MiniT is just observing the callsigns that seem familar.
Had it been in Nevada, you'd lose your angst at the Bunny Ranch, and all your money at the tables. So be thankful not to Jordi.
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Well,
I dont mean to insult anyone... maybe just a little friendly ribbing.
I was laughing about the mine is bigger thing.
The problem often with text media is your intentions are sometimes mistaken.
I still stand by the fact that we sould be Thanking Jordi for going thru the trouble to host it. I did read some comments and took them (my interpertation) as complaints that guys that flew AW were going, and it wasnt in TX.
So MiniD.. I think you should come to the CON, and have a laugh over a beer about it :)
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Originally posted by Creamo
Relax Grimm, Jordi is putting the con together, very well. MiniT is just observing the callsigns that seem familar.
Had it been in Nevada, you'd lose your angst at the Bunny Ranch, and all your money at the tables. So be thankful not to Jordi.
OK... Im Relaxed! LOL!
::best Homer Simpson voice:: Bunny Ranch.......
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Doh! Just saw this thread now.
Is it too late to ask for a change to my handle (for hat purposes)?
"oct" to the full version: "octavius"
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Octavius
Doh! Just saw this thread now.
Is it too late to ask for a change to my handle (for hat purposes)?
"oct" to the full version: "octavius"
Thanks!
I will make the chagne.
Mike Bowman
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Hi guys
Mini D not knocking your decision not to go, but isn't the best way to get to recognise some of these new handles by attending the Con.
Personally I'm ex AW but I was not around a long time before it closed it's doors so not a great deal of people know me from either game, yes I know a few of those names on the list but I have never met any of them, so now I can hardly wait to meet these guys, no matter if they were ex AW or the newest player of AH I'll be glad to meet them.
Jordi a big for the work you have put into this and maybe a large supply of tylenol would help.
Some of the names I do know on the list I have wanted to meet for a long time, and the names I don't know, well for the next Con I will not be able to say I don't know them.
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Jordi Tuesday is here....
No Image of shirts..Or image ideas..