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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: davidpt40 on June 12, 2003, 01:34:00 PM
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When you see a friendly aircraft being attacked by an overwhelming number of enemy aircraft, do you (a) engage and go out in a blaze of glory (b) Stay high and fast, engaging if you can pick off a bandit without losing your advantage (c) get the heck out of there.
I usually fly American planes. They are slow climbers, mediocre turners, and slow accelerators. I don't like to spend 10-15 minutes climbing just to get exploded by a steel rain of 20mm shells.
Sometimes I will swoop down to scare off the bandits, or perhaps get a snap-shot. Other times I will watch the ensuing fight from my high perch.
But most of the time by the time I hit check-6, the friendly bish is dead from the fire of the 10-12 knights/rooks.
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Depends, if i have heard of the name i will help, if not, i wont, because the last time i tried to help the friendly ran, and left me to deal with the horde, lol.
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When you see a friendly aircraft being attacked by an overwhelming number of enemy aircraft
dive in!
no way in hell am i going to let him keep them all to himself - such a selfish behaviour is ruining the MA.
let me have some!
Bozon
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yep, its up to you. if you have 20k and just showed up it probably isnt too wise to burn your e to help a guy on the deck. However, in general, help friendlies whenever you can. If I am in a position to help but am not sure the guys needs/wants help, I ask on voice or type in the range channel to ask. Usually guys say sure but occasionally someone is duking it out to the end and help is not wanted. Be advised either decision you make will at some point be criticized:rolleyes: as in "you stole my kill" or "you left me hung out to dry" or some variation. So use good judgement, if the guy has a clear shot don't cut him off and cause him to blow up with kill shooter, but if you can take out a bad guy, take him out!
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I have always prioritized my targets like this:
1) Enemy attacking my squadmate.
2) Enemy attacking my countrymen.
3) Enemy where I have the advantage and good chance to escape.
With that being said, there are still those who dive in and fail to do the math before being committed. I have done this myself (easy to do in a Zero) and do not expect my countrymen to save my butt when I put it on the line foolishly.
Give a six call when you can and IF you can buzz the enemy and shake them off your countrymens tail then the pilot being chased owes you a beer regardless of the outcome!! :D
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It depends entirely on the situation.
If the guy blew 10000 feet of altitude advantage to go for a single kill, and ends up under 6 bogies, I'll fly top cover for him, but no way in hell am I going to mix it up to save an idiot. (unless of course he's one of my idiots.)
If it's a friendly who just got worked into a bad situation, (or if I don't know what happened I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) I'll do what I can.
But I do keep a list of 'ungratefull sobs' who I will NOT go to help. Usually these are the guys who, after you clear one of the bad guys off of them, abandon you to the 4 or 5 others without even looking back.
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Originally posted by FlameBoy
Depends, if i have heard of the name i will help...
what if the name is "Shane" ???? i do hop just because you have "heard the name" you'r not dropping in! :D :p
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i usually spam the guy with "check 6" so he cant accuse me in a following whine about not getting any check 6.
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If the guy is in a 5v1 then I'm sorry. If it is 2 or 3 I usually go in carefully, if there's a sign he intends to work them as a team then I'll stay. But what I hate most is even if trying to clear the 6 of a 1v1 when asked for help (I usually ask if he wants help in the 1st place too) is when I am closing to within firing distance at light speed and the guy breaks flat and hard INTO me!
I usually zoom up and let the stupid SOB die assuming he completed the turn in the first place. I mean, I just burned thousands of feet of alt and turned myself into a target to save the sorry bellybutton of a guy who doesn't even know how to drag-roll...daymn!
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Engage.... Whether there are 2 on him or 20... Im bound to get one of em in flames, even though i cant remember the last time i killed a con :(
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Edbert, was that you at a7 last night? we worked a p47 or something if it was and if memory serves me correctly you did a good job of dragging that guy around!
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get in there and get after 'em
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All depends if I know who it is and whether or not they know I'm coming to help. I learned a long time ago that 9 out of 10 pilots in trouble got that way because they weren't smart... which usually leads to more not-smart behavior as your trying to bail them out of the not-smart sit they got into in the first place.
ie: You radio that your coming to help. Dork turns and heads straight for you leaving 10 gangbangers ample opportunity to pull HO's. You go up and work into another advantageous position and come in again. Dork turns the bad guys straight at you again.
... happens all the time, but not to me (anymore) lol
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If it seems certain that the friendly is going to die regardless, and my joining will get me killed as well...I'll pass.
If it looks like there is at least a small chance we can weazel out alive, I'll dive in and help.. then listen on ch1 about how I'm nothing but a cherry picker.. blah blah blah.*
Conversely, if I'm getting ganged by the masses and am certain to die, I DO NOT expect anyone to dive in, just to get killed with me. It's nice for people to dive in and scatter the conga line, but if I'm caught turning with a swarm it's my own darned fault. I'm always grateful for the help, and don't care about kill stealing...just please try to avoid killshooting. :)
*As an example: couple days ago, I dove on a friendly field where exactly 7 knights were vulching 2 or 3 rooks. I got 5 and the vulchees managed to get the remaining 2, as I corralled them on their escape attempt. Soon, ch1 buffer had the comment: "You're nothing without a 5k alt advantage, Steve." Nevermind that the guys were vulching(which means you really don't have any right to complain). I asked him what he would have done, 7 planes in the air against his one..... I could pratically hear the silence as his whines evaporated off the channel.
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most likely b. I am a selfish bastard :)
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Tumor quote
"Dork turns and heads straight for you leaving 10 gangbangers ample opportunity to pull HO's."
lol Tumor, I hate that!!
I'll tell guys... dude, turn away from me and I'll be able to engage, at least don't turn into me....dude turns into me. I'll come back, "Dude, I'm tryin to help but now I have to rev and try again".....dude turns into me again! I'll say, "you're on your own dude."
This happens... almost daily it seems. Try to tell them, turn away from your help... maybe even perpendicular... anything but right at it! Deaf ears man, deaf ears.
Had a guy roped yesterday, told a fellow rook. He said "Be right there."..then he proceeded to turn and vulch a couple of nits, leaving me with a hungry 109 climbing to my 6. I shook the 109, who promptly reversed and killed my fellow rooks who were vulching. When I commented to the rook on the bad choice he had made, he called me "A General". lol
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if i see fellow bish in trouble i always dive in whether im hvy or not. whether i know them or not. whether there are 1 or whether there are 20 on their 6. whether they turn into me or away from me. whether they did something stupid to get into the situstion or not. even tho i am getting more frustrated with the fact that only a handfull will help me, i will still try to save the azzes of even those in this post who have reasons not to help someone. who knows oneday they might remember me and return the favor. so if you are in trouble with bogeys on your 6 and you hear "Dude you're gonna get me killed!" on vox dont worry its just me. chances are you will still ptrobably die but let it be known that someone tried to help.
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Hmmm...poor guy.
Drex
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Jam, you are for nobler than I.
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Geez Steve you serve the guy up on a platter in the rope and he doesn't take it? sheesh. This stuff seems to happen all the time anymore. Wish I woulda been there to wax the bastige... And to answer the question, I always go in to save a fellow Rook, regardless if the guy would ever do it for me.
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I wouldn't fight to the death to save a friendly, but I usually dive down just to break up an attack on a friendly, zooming back up to safety when the bad guys turn. Gives the friendly a chance to escape.
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Noble...I wouldnt call it that. I just know what ist like to be left out in the cold. Heck I even posted a story about it. I helped yucca out one time he had 5 on him. we ended up killing 2 a piece and the 5th was a spit that didnt want to fight anymore. one of the few times i survived helping some one.
my new saying is.."I think I can take em!!!!"
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After you've played these kinds of games awhile you come to realize everyone gets their jollies doing various things. I have always been an advocate of picking a side and sticking with them, so I have the benifit of learning the tendencies and general behavior of the regular players on my team. There are alot of people like myself who carefully assess the local situation before engaging, only doing so when they first ensure they are going after the highest target etc. Then there are those, particularily the K/H(time) worshippers that realize their best bet is to dive with reckless abandon into the first furball they see with little or no credence given to the overall tactical situation in the hopes of using overwhelming E to be their salvation from their own imprudence.
While I agree that in real life there was a high degree of pilot fidelity especially among squadmates to rescue one another, they all fought along the same premise. That is, to live to go home to their wives and children after the war. Obviously those kind of concerns are not actually present in the game, only virtually represented by the K/D statisitc. So, before I entertain the possibility of ending that particular virtual life to save another I first determine who it is and what their particular situation requires. Sometimes just lending some moral support is all they need, for example; blasting thru their aggressors giving a high deflection burst here and there to give him the chance to escape. Sometimes if there is a reasonable opportunity I can help someone I recognize as a good stick with some SA I'll hang with him if the odds aren't hopeless. Usually though it is some yahoo in an LA7 who got caught with his pants down chasing a spit9 back to 5 buddies and expects the next person coming along to drop 10k and save him from his own stupidity. This I will never do.
Some people just want to dive into bad odds in a hopeless situation and see how many they can bag before their inevtiable death. If that is the way they want to play so be it. But, like in the stock market sending good money after bad is the fool's way. Dieing for someone you do not know, or has proven they have no regard for the tactical situation is worse than bad, it actually encourages repetition of the same behavior.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Some people just want to dive into bad odds in a hopeless situation and see how many they can bag before their inevtiable death. If that is the way they want to play so be it. But, like in the stock market sending good money after bad is the fool's way. Dieing for someone you do not know, or has proven they have no regard for the tactical situation is worse than bad, it actually encourages repetition of the same behavior.
I call it Fun.
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That's the good thing about your $15.00
To each his own, baby!!!!
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Exactly, different strokes for different folks. I just don't wanna hear the guys diving their LalaSpitniki's into a 5 on 1 complaining when I don't add my death to their "FUN". Giving 5 bangers the satisfaction of my pelt is not "FUN" to me. If that is fun to you, I'm really happy for you honestly, just don't drag your 5 gang- bangers to me while you are in your death throws...LOL
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When I ponder such a deep subject I sometimes ask myself "What would the "Duke" or Clint Eastwood do"? On the other hand, some have hero's like Senator Robert "Sheets" Byrd and they reason "Should we really beleive that there are 20 enemies down there", it much just be a screen aboration. When it really gets down to it there IS no "RIGHT" answer. Some prefer to be Whimps and Wussies and some like to be Macho Men. But of course......"That also depends on what your definition of "IS" is :D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Exactly, different strokes for different folks. I just don't wanna hear the guys diving their LalaSpitniki's into a 5 on 1 complaining when I don't add my death to their "FUN". Giving 5 bangers the satisfaction of my pelt is not "FUN" to me. If that is fun to you, I'm really happy for you honestly, just don't drag your 5 gang- bangers to me while you are in your death throws...LOL
Bah... No need for pity, i rather die than receive any.. After all i can re roll once more and finish what i started ;)
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Originally posted by WldThing
Engage.... Whether there are 2 on him or 20... Im bound to get one of em in flames, even though i cant remember the last time i killed a con :(
thats cause you suck :eek: .....and you know you suck.....you runstang dweeb:p
always go down and help......the difference is in HOW you do it
a) like Steve be a dweeb and make 1 pass come back to 20k perch.....then you can say 'I tried man';)
b) go really really fast....lose all altitude and speed adv. in 1 pass....get 1 or 2 kills....ping a few others....then die....like wldthing:D ...but ya look good doin it:D
or be like drex.....point the finger and laugh at em......thats what he calls help!!!!:eek:
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Originally posted by FlameBoy
Depends, if i have heard of the name i will help, if not, i wont, because the last time i tried to help the friendly ran, and left me to deal with the horde, lol.
So what if I haven't heard/seen the name. I'm in to help if there looks like we will be able to get out and RTB. If its a squaddie I am in no matter what; as the squadron CO you gotta lay it on the line and hope like hell the rest of them show up to save your arse. So drop in scatter the covey and get a kill or three and make a break for friendly skies when possible.
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*sigh*
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Originally posted by SLO
thats cause you suck :eek: .....and you know you suck.....you runstang dweeb:p
:D
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Id take this test, but I dont think it really applies to me. Im usually the idiot in need of rescue.
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I will usually dive down and help, unless it is Maddog or Sour. Then I just watch and see if I can guess correctly how long they will last.
It if is Nifty, I will scream encouraging thing in order to help.
When they finally go down, I reply, "Oh man, that musta hurt!"
:)