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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: gofaster on June 13, 2003, 03:27:10 PM
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... that I wish Aces High had:
(a) a kill list showing the last 5 guys I shot down and the last guy that shot me down.
(b) bridges over water.
(c) Ki-84 Hayate
(d) aircraft factories that, when killed, deprived that country of that plane.
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they'd have to put the spitniklalastang factory pretty far behind the lines to insure supply :D
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Of course, you knew the trick to get a spit even though the factory was down, right?:D
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"High Blower Engaged"
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"that airfield is full"
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auto resupply goons :)
strat was more fun in aw. no way around it.
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Never Played AW, but from the other game down the hall
I miss the Ki-84 too! ;)
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"Goober 1 crashed"
"Goober 2 shot down"
" A Kill has been recorded" (Ok that must be a copy right by now)
"You have shot down Goober 2" (which we have)
ie SHAME
I preffered AW's system reports.......our
"experten 3 landed x kills in a uber ride of the flying goobars"
places the wrong emphasis IMO.
I would prefer to have no glory server announcements but announce the two types of death instead.
Bring back SHAME
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I liked how it asked you if you wanted to keep the film of your flight when it ended..Most times I said no.
My film folder in AH fills up so fast I can't keep track and sometimes I forget film is on and it rolls for 3 flights.
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I also miss their Me109 sounds.
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Originally posted by Cooley
Never Played AW, but from the other game down the hall
I miss the Ki-84 too! ;)
mmm from the same game and I miss the Yak3!! and the Tojo!!
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no h/o's. forced one to use acms
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I miss AW death anouncements too.
I also miss all the funny kill macros.
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Briefing Rooms
-No outside nose (text)
-Mute all but the briefer button (light switch)
-Map with Waypoints visible durring brief
Gunner
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I kind of miss having the option to immediately delete a film after a sortie, but then I had a tendency to delete every film in which I died. You can learn more reviewing a film of an unsuccessful flight. What I do miss is how starting and stopping the recorder in flight did not result in multiple film files. Every flight was one film, no matter how many times to stopped and restarted the film.
I also miss that AW radar that showed EXACTLY how many nme and friendlies were in a sector (remember "block parties"?), then showed the plane type icons before you were in visual range. I know it was extremely gamey, but you could pick and choose your fights.
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Originally posted by Hap
no h/o's. forced one to use acms
Oh horsepucky. The only thing No-HO's did was inspire the exact same tired old tactic-engagment sequence. Hmmm...
1) See enemy
2) Turn straight at enemy
3) Fly through enemy
4) rinse and repeat till someone makes a mistake
As much as I hate HO's in Aces High, I'd NEVER wish they take it away. It aint the fact you can HO.. It's the idiot who can't do anything else that makes it bad.
Not having HO's was the single worst part of Air Warrior, simply because it had such an effect on everything else. Saying it made better pile-its is laughable.
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I agree Tumor. AW has brainwashed many into thinking if you put your face in front of the barrel, you won't get your head blown off.
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Being able to choose whether to save a film or delete it at the end of every flight would be VERY nice.
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Several of the items mentioned would be nice to have. Though one on your list...
(b) bridges over water.
You don't fly in many AH events do you. ;) We have bridges. Blew one up about a month ago that was spanning the Rhine River.
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"Two weeks"
Server boot upon Kursk Scenerio launch
"Two weeks"
Server boot upon Pearl Harbot launch
"Two weeks"
~moggy
"Two weeks"
Lucy Bootstree whateverthehellhername was
"Two weeks"
The promise of wonderfull things to come when News Corp sold to E.A.
"Two weeks"
Macintosh version of AW remaining in open beta for 3 years + "two weeks"
"Two weeks...REALLY!!"
AWARen resetting the arena when C's were down to 3 bases.
"Two weeks"
"Want skins...make 'em yourselves"
"Two weeks"
AirWarriorVietnam
"Two weeks"
AirWarriorMillenium
"Two we....." ZAP!
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Terrorizing Pangloss :D
mullah
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I miss being able to fly a Spitfire. It's the one plane in Aces High that causes me the most grief, but was the one plane in Airwarrior I was known most for. Maybe I should talk to leviathn about lessons.
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Originally posted by RedDg
Of course, you knew the trick to get a spit even though the factory was down, right?:D
What was the trick ?
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What I miss about AW ...
1. The fun of the game !!
2. That AW isn't online anymore !
3 . My Squad " ~CUCA`S SQUAD ~
4. RR PAC Arena ...
CHKRS
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1. "winsock error"
2. "there arent any cheats in AW"
3. puhh-puhh-puhh-puhh-puhh (sound of every AW gun)
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I miss the .50 caliber in the door of the C-47.
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Originally posted by Frost
I miss the .50 caliber in the door of the C-47.
Hehehe :D
culero (veteran of many a "gooney duel")
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Originally posted by Tilt
I would prefer to have no glory server announcements but announce the two types of death instead.
Bring back SHAME
Cod-damn right.
culero (no ****!)
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Originally posted by RedDg
Of course, you knew the trick to get a spit even though the factory was down, right?:D
I didn't fly the Spit much, mostly because I refused to be a conformist! :p I did most of my turnfighting in 109s and 38s, everything else in the P-51D, so worrying about how to get a Spit with the factory down wasn't of much value to me. I did hear that there was a way around it, just like there was a hidden base between C and B land to the west behind the mountain.
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Originally posted by Frost
I miss the .50 caliber in the door of the C-47.
Amen, brother! Was fun shooting down unsuspecting Spit pilots who dawdled too long on their gun run.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I also miss their Me109 sounds.
The Mitsu soundpack does a pretty good job with 109 sounds. I like it about as much, if not better than, the ones from AW.
The ones from AW are/were pretty good.
I wonder if there's a way to lift the sound files from AW and insert into AH...
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Originally posted by daddog
You don't fly in many AH events do you. ;) We have bridges. Blew one up about a month ago that was spanning the Rhine River.
I must've missed that. I do the Friday night events pretty regularly but don't bother reading combat assignments that aren't within my sphere of responsibility.
Bridges... yes, bridges would be cool... if we can do them for special events, maybe we should incorporate them into the MA maps, too. Yes, indeed!
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
What was the trick ?
if I recall correctly--grab a jeep-then end mission-then the spitfire was available. Repeat as needed while spit factory was down
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
I agree Tumor. AW has brainwashed many into thinking if you put your face in front of the barrel, you won't get your head blown off.
LOL!!! LOL!! LMAO!!!!
Thats a Great line Gunner!
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Only thing missing from AW is the VOD...over 5+ years in almost every diff arena (flew RR#2,RR#5 and FR last 3 yrs or so) it was there. Crossed swords with almost everyone there...obviously others prefer the big pond and I'm sure B vs C had some similiar area. It's not the planes per se or the tactics ... or lack of... but for awhile it was an amazing community. I think it had the best squad missions I've ever seen...I still have a film somewhere of one I was in...I think before 327th steel talons formed...so it was JG26...YES Laghead JG11 SPAZ (almost certain)...think we had 20+...took one of the B land rear bases (think 84?) and held it for an hour....I know we and others talked about it for months...anyway for whatever reasons the rivalry isnt really the same here...something (alot) gained...something (alot) missing.
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1) Intercom on Bombers was nice
2) default color for Friends was RED (if you were Bz)
(mine is adjusted properly-IMHO)
3) reports of who was shot down
4) Level Bomb sight on the Mossie
5) Shooting Down AUB
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Originally posted by TheManx
I miss being able to fly a Spitfire. It's the one plane in Aces High that causes me the most grief, but was the one plane in Airwarrior I was known most for. Maybe I should talk to leviathn about lessons.
don't tell me you can't remember what spits do best......tst tst
try...loop too infinity:D
levi's gonna say...fly spit5...i prefer hurri 2c
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Coors is having great success in the spit in AH. You were known in AW?
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Not having a reset possibility, thus making the country members work togethor to get out of the hole... and fields and carriers with names instead of meaningless designations... a strat system
that could actually be attacked with effect longer than a few minutes.."spit factories" "drones" etc... "can't remember all the strat objects and had heard it may not have worked all that well
but the documentation on it was pretty robust"
Also multiple carriers to a task force was a hoot... if you wanted to remove a carrier group you really had to work togethor to get the job done not just 4 suicide squadies in 51's like in AH...Again why should 4 guys be able to change the course of 450+ guys game by suiciding a lone carrier?!
I also liked the arena limits which may explain some of the difficulties in AH because of the lack of limits.
IF you got tired of ETO 1 you moved to PAC or ETO 2 or the furball arena... If you got fedup with the PAC arena for the night you could log into the ETO and have just as much fun.. In AH
its the MA way or the highway like it or not "CT doesn't count with 26 players average max"
I don't miss the kill macros very much but they did make you want to hunt down the macro'er to get even, and after a few months you knew the squads of the opposing countries which I can tell you I don't get the same sense of who or which squads we are fighting against ever other than the AK's..
But before I get pounced on for being pro AW, AH is a much better product in so many ways it makes up for some of the minor nitpicky stuff I miss about AW, can't compare apples to oranges.
0J0T
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The way the fields turned orange on the map when they were damaged.
The fact you had to take off from an undamaged field to resupply another field.
The ability to zoom right into the map.
Big Pac (original)
Yeah, I miss quite a few things about AW..... but their lack is far outweighed by what we do have here and now. :D
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The one thing I miss about AW most is the "death star". A buff that held multiple gunners like they should. We used to go over to fighter town in death stars just for fun. You could really rack up some kills in a hurry. I remember one time we hovered over a carrier(after its ack was down)and picked off a ton of planes trying to lift. I believe one of them was 6Guns and we killed him a few times. Ah, the good old days.
;)
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The community.
(it could happen here.)
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I miss off-line drones that maneuver and shoot back, like those in Air Warrior's hundreds of offline missions (and their associated mission editor). I wrote and published a LOT of these, and I really enjoyed working them out. Although you couldn't create an accurate map like we can in AH, you COULD specify numbers of planes, plane types, starting points, altitudes, speeds, squadron formations, waypoints, any of several well-known actions for each squad, at each waypoint, timed radio messages transmitted, etc. I was able to portray several well-known, historic air battles, even displaying the names of the historic pilots along with their planes. And the off-line "drone" opponents actually flew pretty well, so I learned a lot flying against them. With later versions of the free AW "Campaign" Editor, you could create off-line missions with 50 or more aircraft that were actually flyable with the hardware of those days.
Also, the ability to edit films (inserting text messages, combining or deleting snippets, etc.) was less error prone in AW. I used this facility to create a great virtual log-book, and a lot of training films. And the AW films retained the live engine and battle sounds as experienced by the pilot. I liked that better than the AH films we have now.
Here's an example:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5900/980923a.htm
I suspect that a cash-starved sim company like HiTech could bring in a much-needed sum of money by distributing an off-line capable version of Aces High, and I believe it would bring in some more subscribers too. I know I would pay for a CDROM version of Aces High with some "premium" features like off-line drone combat.....
Regards,
-Peabody-
(Overall, AH is better, though.....)
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AW (DOS) around 1994.
1) A-26B
2) Deathstar with the entire squad on board :)
3) The Jeep with .50
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Favorite things about AW....
GUNNED GOONS
Multiple gunned buffs....DEATHSTARS were great!:D
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Macros.
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AHHHH MACROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ever remember seeing
"Even a Blind Squirrel finds a Nut sometimes....KILL for TIGER Squadron!!!"
That was mine....:D
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Alot of people disliked macros for some reason - I loved them. So many of them would actually make me laugh mid flight.
I tried to change mine up about once a week. ;)
Eat watermelon and die! *Misfits*
:D
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i think macros were acceptable in RR, less so in FR... it wasn't teh macros per se as much as it seems for a time everyone must have been using 3 liners...
i never made a macro, i always typed them out...
"in my pj fly i will, shoot u down, buttflap kill!"
"chew toys! cull the herd!"
but my fav that i saw was,
"was it a) i warped b) i cheated or c) you just suck?"
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Yep, in FR you rarely saw any macros. And heaven forbid if you porked ANY fields in FR (Bwahahaa).
In RR my one and only macro was "Smile for my gun camera!":p
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Alot of people disliked macros for some reason - I loved them. So many of them would actually make me laugh mid flight.
I remember one had me in stitches as I was about to engage multiple bandits:
JBond: "You have been shaken, not stirred."
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Originally posted by RedDg
Yep, in FR you rarely saw any macros.
I always loved the macros and used them both in FR (to the annoyance of some players :p) and RR. I remember using "Another Foe Felled by Flos" in FR for quite a while, then later "Killed by a Krait! Hissssssssss!" In RR, after joining the Hell Gods, I used "Killed by a Hell God(dess)!" I often chuckled at some of the very clever and witty macros I saw, especially in RR. :D
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a favorite of mine was one Papa had...
After a kill he would hit the macro "Whos your pappa" Just about died laughing.
Our squad didnt use channel 1 for Marcos, just country channel and then it was kept simple "CAF Kill" or a simple "1"
But then the Squad would answer a Kill call with ODM!!! which is the squad moto.
( Oderint dum Metuant - Latin for "Let them hate, so long as they fear.")
Here in AH, That tradition still continues, we still give Kill Calls and Replys, But we do it on Squad Channel. I still give a ODM!! to my country men from time to time on country channel.
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- Goon door gunner
- WWI Areana
- Macro's
- Briefing Rooms
- ability to fill the gunners postion's
- Stuka Sirens
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>>AW has brainwashed many into thinking if you put your face in front of the barrel, you won't get your head blown off<<<
Oohhh! I dunno guys :rolleyes: I pissed off quite a few guys in AW by shooting them during a head on merge. And everytime I shot em I was in an FW190 A8. It wasn't that you couldn't HO in AW, it was that the host threw out all but mebbe 25% of yer hits. Hehe, I can recall many a guy who tried to pass over or under me, and I'd let fly at em by pulling up into them as they passed; or dropping my nose as they passed under me and give em a canopy shot. They almost all accused me of using the HO, mostly because they thought they were safe if they flew right through me. ;) Hehe, another well known whine over there had to do with one's connection.Some of these guys after I shot em down would come over the arena channel and swear I was warpy or, they would ask me about my connection. These were the guys who had a totally unrealistic opinion of themselves, and thought they couldn't possibly be shot down by me..."I mean afterall, I'm ranked 10th in the arena this camp, and he is only ranked 200th!!!???" :D I kinda miss that brand of dweebery.
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Hehe, I remember one in particular: "no need to change your underwear! You've been killed by...." That one cracked me up :)
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>>I did hear that there was a way around it, just like there was a hidden base between C and B land to the west behind the mountain<<
Hehe, you could also fly off the map, and wind up on the other side and hit Az or Cz (depending on where your country wound up). Hehe the northernmost bases were always gettin porked :D
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LOL!!! LOL!! LMAO!!!!
Thats a Great line Gunner!
OK, Grimm, your check is in the mail .
One more thing I miss.... SAC
Gunner
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Miss the deathstars and some of the macros. Also used to tell the noobs that if you were in arena 1 and flew off the map going south you'd come out in arena 2..... was too funny. :D
Edit: To add, I had some fun A-26 dogfights fights with a guy named yacht I believe it was. Those were a blast.
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The only TOS warning I ever got in AW was from excessive use of a macro one Thanksgiving when I was a tad bit tipsy and also had a sticky key (the one I selected for the macro - unfortunately).
ArloG: *GOBBLE GOBBLE*
ArloG: *GOBBLE GOBBLE*
ArloG: *GOBBLE GOBBLE*
ArloG: *GOBBLE GOBBLE*
ArloG: *GOBBLE GOBBLE*
ArloG: *GOBBLE GOBBLE*
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I REALLY miss the names of airfields!
...don't really like the number system that we are forced to use here in AH.
I preferred defending C:Moggy much more than I like to defend A:143. :rolleyes:
F4i
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I miss most....A fully gunned B-17, light that could shoot as soon as you spawned....
and the 4 or five kills ya got when ya vulched em with an egg!
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I miss the dar. You could ID the type plane by dar long before you could vis...and the Bf109-Franz that would climb almost verticle.
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Originally posted by F4i
I REALLY miss the names of airfields!
You must've joined during AW2 or AW3. Before then, it was "C82" and "C83" or "B79" or "B82" or whatever. The "C" was the country (A, B, or C-land). These bases could be destroyed, but not captured. The only bases that could be captured were the Neutral "N" bases, centered around the middle lake in Euro, or on the big atoll in Pac. I keep seeing AH players complaining about playing the same map for a week or so. In AW, it was the same map day in, day out unless you jumped to a different theatre.
One other thing I miss - F86s and Mig17s in the Korea theatre. I guess the Forgotten War is truly forgotten. :(
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Originally posted by gofaster
You must've joined during AW2 or AW3. Before then, it was "C82" and "C83" or "B79" or "B82" or whatever. The "C" was the country (A, B, or C-land). These bases could be destroyed, but not captured. The only bases that could be captured were the Neutral "N" bases, centered around the middle lake in Euro, or on the big atoll in Pac. I keep seeing AH players complaining about playing the same map for a week or so. In AW, it was the same map day in, day out unless you jumped to a different theatre.
One other thing I miss - F86s and Mig17s in the Korea theatre. I guess the Forgotten War is truly forgotten. :(
No, I started with AW1 when it was offered on AOL. I still remember my first week after discovering AW...my family couldn't use the computer for a month... :D
Anyway, I just prefer using names to describe bases rather than a number system. But, that's just me.
One other thing I miss: Being able to change your flight handle w/out losing any points. AH could use this feature, imho. (I can hear all the arguments against it already, though.)
F4i
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Famous kill macros
The most famous was I guess.... "Roadkill" (Big T)
I used "HOWZAT!" Kraits were "hissssss" ing every where
ACC Baaaaaaaa'd every where but I dont think it was a kill macro........... they were just trying to find sheep for some purpose:(
I rem one that went
flat line /\__________________
and loads that went "you have been shot down by....(insert anal remark here) of the (insert anal squad name here)
best macros were single/double word types that did not fill too much text buffer IMO
I always thought HSPD used "check 6" until I realised he was commenting on my SA skills............... every time he shot me down........
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Another good one Gunner! SAC!!
Thats Scenario Aircraft Changer - SAC
That was the program that Fidd and G42 of the Kraits worked up. It made it easy to change aircraft skins and terrain features.
It was great, you could have differnt looking skies, different types of Water or Ground.
You could change the Skins of the A/C so when you flew in formation everyone looked proper for the event.
SAC really gave AW a lease on life in my opinion. It was one of the best features and was provided by the Players , not the Suits that ended up the game.
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Some more things I miss:
1.) The P38J. Who cares if the model was wrong - you could turn with a zeke with full flaps and dive with a Jug retracted.
2.) The 109F-4. Spit killer - climbed like a raped ape and the indifference the engine had to porked fuel was nice. You could always tell when base fuel was porked because 109's would be everywhere.
3.) The community. Nuff said.
4.) The "conduct." Asking to join 1v1's, no gangbanging, great fights all the time, not many runners, no chute shooters, no whiners, no l337 g33k5, everyone was freindly.
5.) The price (on AOL at least) FREE!
6.) Deathstars.
7.) Goon door gun.
8.) The N1k that wasnt a UFO.
9.) GREAT scenarios.
10.) Jousting with DrDea over the VOD (Valley of Dweebs) 109 v 109 and listening to his typical Az cries of foul play after lighting him up. ;)
11.) Kill messages in reverse. Server saw "Mazz has been shot down" instead of "Mazz landed 0.5 kills in a xxx of xxx"
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Some more things I miss:
2.) The 109F-4. Spit killer - climbed like a raped ape and the indifference the engine had to porked fuel was nice. You could always tell when base fuel was porked because 109's would be everywhere.
3.) The community. Nuff said.
4.) The "conduct." Asking to join 1v1's, no gangbanging, great fights all the time, not many runners, no chute shooters, no whiners, no l337 g33k5, everyone was freindly.
8.) The N1k that wasnt a UFO.
11.) Kill messages in reverse. Server saw "Mazz has been shot down" instead of "Mazz landed 0.5 kills in a xxx of xxx"
2. 109k4 was a real killer, especially in FR after they fixed the 30mm leth... it could hang with anything and was hella fast.. sorta like the AH la7 :) didn't much care for 109's in RR, you couldn't use the stall edge as effectively.
3. it's comparable to here, imho.
4. lol, which arena did you play in? ah is merely AW factored by 10.
8. nope, it wasn't, the ki was, ki-84 that is. :D
11. yeah i miss that too, i want people to know i nailed such and such dweeb, or which slobberdonkey got lucky with the winning lottery shot behind/above/around me.
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Originally posted by Don
. It wasn't that you couldn't HO in AW, it was that the host threw out all but mebbe 25% of yer hits. [/B]
Btw, the settings were 90% of HO were thrown out aginst fighters, and 80% aginst bombers. P38s were notorious for scoring HOs due to the stream of bullets from the nose guns (most likely to beat the odds)
I miss :
multiple 'MAs'
plane factories (ld love to see System: La7 factory destroyed)
c47 door gun
online volenteer staff brigade (training & tech)
later version field names
(not the community) most are here anyways =)
"Murdr: was ruled the cause of death"
I would have to disagree about the system messages. I think acknowleging landings is the right priority.
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Dang Shane. I've been reading assorted threads and seen some of your posts in them. In a lot of them, slobberdonkeys and dweebs...or you are catagorize people in a negative light based on how they fly... this K/T, that K/S. You have something insulting or at least condescending to say about people in the game in just about every post.
I'm not baggin on ya dude.. it's perplexing and here's why: On the boards you come off as negative, even insulting toward a lot of people. And it seems obvious that anyone who doesn't fly in the way you prescribe to is somehow worthy of nothing but disdain. This and the same type of smack you talk on ch1 would lead most people to think you're somewhat less than a nice person. I sort of thought that... but always respected your MA skilz.
Then we went to the DA and you were this friendly, instructive, helpful, nice guy... you seemed very willing, even eager to help make me a better pilot and in a very positive and informative way. I got so much out of that, and enjoyed myself so much that I look forward to my next lessons. What's the deal there? I mean, it's almost like you put on your "bad guy hat" when you get on the boards or on ch1.
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yeah, steve i guess i'm a complicated person; look closely and you can see an ulterior motive for how i act in the MA. it's pulled quite a few people into the DA with me, and once they put their egos aside, they find there's stuff to be learned. or i find out they've been holding back in MA and deprieving people of an honest battle.
look at it this way... i really don't care how or what anyone flys; all i want to see is an honest effort, not a lame-out. when i don't see that honest effort, well.... you'll hear from me...
and if you really pay attn to the text buffer you'll find 99% of my remarks are generalized and non-specific to a *person* such as ... lol gangers... lol, you gurls are good with nbrs and alt... diediedie HOJoustWeenie (often said before i even know who the weenie was, as one or both of us fall down to earth in flames)... or lol, that was some weak flying (used when i see a name that has been around quite a while and who i know has potential to do better.)
rarely do i get personal, yet you'll see people making personal attacks on me all the time. but if you wanna play that way, don't get all huffy puffy when i slap you down.
no one is ever forced to respond to my generic smacks... no one has to hit if no one responds, you don't see me carrying on and on and on..
those who want to play that particular form of word warrior do so of their own free will and no one else needs to come riding in on their high horse of faux morals/ethos to save a non-existent victim.
as for the BBS... well, let's just say.... the same tools and free will exist here as in the MA. i'm just as helpful on various boards in here and only jump in certain topics when the fancy strikes me to do so, in whatever manner amuses me at the time.
WTFGAS and YMMV yanno?
read drunky's sig some day. ;) read mine again while i have you here, now. :D
oh yeah... i was never into the whole faux thing... i'll toss out a simple smiley or a lol while in MA in place of that faux . DA is a little different, i'll toss out a for at least seeing some honest effort from someone in attempting to learn or having some fun fights.
do a search in o'club for song parodys... check out the spoof i did of eminem's "without me" :cool:
oh yeah, do me a favor, go hump lazs' ankle or something, mine are chaffed from the CT slobberdonkeys. ;)
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Originally posted by Murdr
Btw, the settings were 90% of HO were thrown out aginst fighters, and 80% aginst bombers. P38s were notorious for scoring HOs due to the stream of bullets from the nose guns (most likely to beat the odds)
Naw, My signature ride for a while in AW was the Mossie. It was the King of Head Ons there. You had so much ammo, you couldnt really run it out. and It had the biggest Guns in the Game. So you could just Spray and Spray on the merge.
It was a Drag Magnet too.. Guys would fixate on your six, and squadies could come pick them off with easy. If your enemy ignored you, You simply turned it around (actualy it was hard to turn) and snuck up and killed him. It also had BuffTuff Hardness so it was really hard to shoot down.
Those were the days... But Id never go back
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Originally posted by Shane
2. 109k4 was a real killer, especially in FR after they fixed the 30mm leth... it could hang with anything and was hella fast.. sorta like the AH la7 :) didn't much care for 109's in RR, you couldn't use the stall edge as effectively.
3. it's comparable to here, imho.
4. lol, which arena did you play in? ah is merely AW factored by 10.
8. nope, it wasn't, the ki was, ki-84 that is. :D
11. yeah i miss that too, i want people to know i nailed such and such dweeb, or which slobberdonkey got lucky with the winning lottery shot behind/above/around me.
2. I was a dweeb in AW - didnt even know what a stall edge was. The 109 turned well and I didnt get called a Spit Dweeb. ;)
3. Nah.
4. Nah.
8. Indeed, but at least the thing didnt have helicopter charectaristics.
11. Indeed. ;)
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Originally posted by Murdr
Btw, the settings were 90% of HO were thrown out aginst fighters, and 80% aginst bombers. P38s were notorious for scoring HOs due to the stream of bullets from the nose guns (most likely to beat the odds)
IIRC, planes with center-line guns received a 25% HO hit bonus.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by bbosen
I miss off-line drones that maneuver and shoot back, like those in Air Warrior's hundreds of offline missions (and their associated mission editor). I wrote and published a LOT of these, and I really enjoyed working them out
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Yeah, that was gud stuph fer shore.
Good to see ya, Peabody, long time! :)
~S~
culero
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Originally posted by Murdr
Btw, the settings were 90% of HO were thrown out aginst fighters, and 80% aginst bombers. P38s were notorious for scoring HOs due to the stream of bullets from the nose guns (most likely to beat the odds)
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
IIRC, planes with center-line guns received a 25% HO hit bonus.
Ack-Ack
Actually, gents, both wrong. To make sure, I just drug out my old arena setup scripts and looked - from the [Gunnery] Stanza:
/cm gunnery HeadonDamageChance = 0.030000
/cm gunnery BuffHeadonDamageChance = 0.300000
/cm gunnery CenterLineMult = 1.000000
These were the settings I used in the main arenas the last year and a half of AW, and they are the same ones that Mage used before that since AW2 at Gamestorm. I'm pretty sure the headon damage chances were the same at AOL AW1, not sure what moggy was using there for centerline bonus.
Thus, 3% of headon hits scored against fighters (97% thrown out) and 30% of headon hits scored against buffs (70% thrown out). Centerline planes weren't rewarded since the multiplier value was a straight 1. (But the ability to do so was there - I believe they used to use a value of 1.25 or 1.5 for that setting in AW DOS).
Couple of other factors of note:
/cm gunnery HeadonAngle = -0.707000
/cm gunnery HeadonCutoffDist = 100
The first defined what was a headon - anything occuring within a 30 degree cone that had its point affixed to the prop hub, and aligned axially with the aircraft.
The second was a cutoff point, below which range headons simply didn't work at all. (value in yards) With the max range settings for all aircraft guns:
/cm gunnery FlightTime = 48
/cm gunnery MuzzleVelocity = 760
working out to a little over 600 yards max range, you only had a 500 yard or so window within which to score a headon hit.
culero (doesn't know why he felt like regurgitating all that) :)
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Originally posted by T0J0
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... a strat system
that could actually be attacked with effect longer than a few minutes.."spit factories" "drones" etc... "can't remember all the strat objects and had heard it may not have worked all that well
but the documentation on it was pretty robust"
0J0T
It worked fine, except when certain patches porked it until it got fixed again. It was working fine the last couple of years or so.
The key thing was that (in AW2 and AW3) one country could capture other country's strat facilities (factories and resupply depots). This allowed some real fun making it hell for the enema :)
Here's a simple but complete explanation, authored by Mage:
http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/AWStrat/AWstrat.html
culero
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We had a couple of squad nights where a few hours before start the CO and XO would look at the current fields being held and map a plan to just take out strat, you had to have multiple squads to accomplish it and objectives had to be achieved or else the effects wouldn't last that long..
Those were some of the most memorable squad nights!
Originally posted by culero
It worked fine, except when certain patches porked it until it got fixed again. It was working fine the last couple of years or so.
The key thing was that (in AW2 and AW3) one country could capture other country's strat facilities (factories and resupply depots). This allowed some real fun making it hell for the enema :)
Here's a simple but complete explanation, authored by Mage:
http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/AWStrat/AWstrat.html
culero
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Whatever happened to Mage & Moggy ? I don't even fly here much anymore (haven't logged in for past 6 months or more) so if they've been around, I wouldn't know.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Whatever happened to Mage & Moggy ? I don't even fly here much anymore (haven't logged in for past 6 months or more) so if they've been around, I wouldn't know.
moggy still hangs out at Bigweek (e-mail me if ya need the address)
Mage is MIA, last person who's seen him is Flossy, she said she saw him on AIM a couploe of months ago. Last I heard he was working on financing for an internet and gaming cafe deal there in Charlottesville.
Gud 2 C ya again, Verm!
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Mage is MIA, last person who's seen him is Flossy, she said she saw him on AIM a couploe of months ago. Last I heard he was working on financing for an internet and gaming cafe deal there in Charlottesville.
When I spoke to Mage, he said he was no longer in the gaming industry, but he was an Assistant Manager in a branch of Radio Shack! :)
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what i miss most from AW was the fact that seals and lamers pretty much got clubbed and edjumacated to become better players.
it seems in AH, the overall community endorses and espouses what truly horrifys the true "vets" of flight sims. i'm not referring to those k/d weenies who feel they have to survive at all costs.. they've been around since day one.
i'm also disappointed in that so many "vets" have abandoned their traditional role helping noobs and lamers become adequate players.
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I pop into Bigweek every couple of months to read things, but rarely post. I just don't have as much free time as I use too.
Lately, I've enjoyed working on my "jet" project much more than I do flying in the WWII sims. Its starting to come together quite nicely if I do say so myself ! :) Getting into and learning about the Vietnam era jets has been a refreshing change of pace. I just got way WAAAY burned out on WWII stuff.
Culero you making it too the CON? I knew you made it last time to the AW CON in Indy. I'll be there, with the girlfriend in tow.
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Ok.. this goes back to dos AW but...
I recall the fights... everyone (allmost everyone) fought. I recall dying over and over whenever I engaged a "vet"...
The difference was... Us new guys in AW got mad and when we got mad we decided to get better not find a way to play safer. I wanted to be able to engage anyone I met in anything close to a fair fight and either kill em or make em sweat out the outcome.
If you hide under your bunks like the new "strat" guys in AH are doing you aint never gonna get to be any good. You won't get good in the dueling arena and you won't get good watching movies... ya gotta get into a big fur and have at it. And have at it until you don't care if someone is above you or in a better plane..
lazs
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*exactly* what lasz said.
altho i beg to differ with his opnion of the DA and films. both are great tools for helping one refine certain aspects and not all duels are same plane or co-alt... or even duels, some are also purely instructional.
makes you wonder who the real "quakers" are in this game, no?
i don't care *how* or *what* you fly as long as you do an honest job going about it with maximum effort.
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Originally posted by Shane
2. 109k4 was a real killer, especially in FR after they fixed the 30mm leth... it could hang with anything and was hella fast.. sorta like the AH la7 :) didn't much care for 109's in RR, you couldn't use the stall edge as effectively.
In RR the bf109K-4 was a very easy plane to shoot down. Never met a K4 in RR that I couldn't shoot down.
Ack-Ack
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Howabout, the B-17 (before the fix) that could out turn a spit. And everyone could man all the guns to have a deathstar.
Now that was fluff'n funny.
I do miss Big PAC, with the geat KI-84. Or Crow with his killer P-38. That could turn better then a dime.
Ahhhh!!! I've been flying online for too long lol..
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I miss many things...the newness of AWDOS and multi-player online simmin...It was the coolest thing.
I miss the Vets....the good fighter pilots who let their flyin do their talkin.
I miss the mouthy guys like Hell and Doom...remember, this was before political correctness:)
I miss the maps....I remember when you went to anothers country, you felt like you were really doing something...that's sadly missing here.
I also miss the macro's....I always liked the in your face smak talkin...added some life and flavor to the sim.
I think I've just been doin this for too long to have held onto that lovin feelin...still have fun, but AH2 hopefully will inject something thats been missing for some time.
The smartest thing I ever did back in the day was to never have read the boards....just flew...it was refreshingly simple:)
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Culero you making it too the CON? I knew you made it last time to the AW CON in Indy. I'll be there, with the girlfriend in tow.
I hope so! If all works out, I will be going - my first ever trip to the US - and looking forward to meeting you there too, Vermillion. :)
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Originally posted by gofaster
... that I wish Aces High had:
(a) a kill list showing the last 5 guys I shot down and the last guy that shot me down.
(d) aircraft factories that, when killed, deprived that country of that plane.
a- Hopefully AW TOD will correct that, with a nice looking score page with medals and crap.
d- On the early AW maps there were FW-190 and Ki-84 factories also, but the Spitfire factory was the only one that was ever turned on.
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Well ... if you've seen the Austin Powers movies, you'd understand. Always turned on .... oh behave!
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Sounds great Flossy ! :) It would be great to meet you face to face after all these years. I hope you make it.
One thing I miss about AW.... it was a much smaller group. Especially in FR and within the Scenario crowd. This built a sense of comraderie (sp?) that the larger crowds of today just can't understand. Even your worst enemies were your friends. And there was the sense of a new and exciting frontier that very few had come before you (I started at the very begining of the AW4W and WB's 0.99 era)... the whole internet multiplayer gaming thing. Its something that we can never go back too, and something I will never forget. But I'm damn proud to have been there.
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i dont know if you guys read the help and training forum. i am talking to the skilled vets who really know what they are doin, ie shane, laz and you other guys. i would really like some hard, 1 on 1 training. i have been playing close to a year (so it may be hopeless) and have played no other flight sim since aces over europe and aces of the pacific (ancient). the squad i fly in is very small and members arent on very often, so not much help in training there. i dont have the time to just practice in the ma, since it is getting harder to find good fights. i live in the central time zone and work 9-5. so if my times coincide with yours, and you are interested in helping someone who is an attentive student and a fairly quick learner please speak up here or drop me a line. tanx
snocone815@yahoo.com
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Originally posted by Tilt
The most famous was I guess.... "Roadkill" (Big T)
Actually...now that you mention it I kind of miss Big T...and rocketman
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What I miss and don't miss at the same time would be taking up a Ki-84 and then eventually end up under this big blue F4U.... somehow I knew it was killer...nothing like that little cold ball of fear gathering in your stomach knowing you were about to be handed your prettythang in a 1 v 1.
Although I do remember a couple of very memorable fights against him in FW's in Euro.
ZPB
P.S. I also hated HiTechs P-38 in RR PAC back in '94 too. But it did prompt me to begin learning that plane.......mmmmm flapps.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Sounds great Flossy ! :) It would be great to meet you face to face after all these years. I hope you make it.
Yeah, you were around in AW long before I was, and also here in AH. I only started in AW in 1998, and often wish I had 'discovered' it earlier. :)One thing I miss about AW.... it was a much smaller group. Especially in FR and within the Scenario crowd. This built a sense of comraderie (sp?) that the larger crowds of today just can't understand.
This is something I really came to appreciate as I became more experienced. I caught the scenario bug very early on, when I gunned for Greas in Guadalcanal..... after that, I was in every scenario going, I think. It was always fascinating after a scenario to see someone who I'd been flying in with in it was actually an enemy in the FR arena. I must have made more friends through scenarios than anything else. It's great to be now so involved in running events here, doing the same job you originally did in the CM team. :)
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Originally posted by culero
It worked fine, except when certain patches porked it until it got fixed again. It was working fine the last couple of years or so.
The key thing was that (in AW2 and AW3) one country could capture other country's strat facilities (factories and resupply depots). This allowed some real fun making it hell for the enema :)
Here's a simple but complete explanation, authored by Mage:
http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/AWStrat/AWstrat.html
culero
I thought the strat system in AW was really good, that is if a patch didn't break it like each patch seemed to do. But when it was working, it was a very good system and the ability to capture factories and depots just enhanced an already good strat system.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Shane
what i miss most from AW was the fact that seals and lamers pretty much got clubbed and edjumacated to become better players.
it seems in AH, the overall community endorses and espouses what truly horrifys the true "vets" of flight sims. i'm not referring to those k/d weenies who feel they have to survive at all costs.. they've been around since day one.
i'm also disappointed in that so many "vets" have abandoned their traditional role helping noobs and lamers become adequate players.
The problem as I see it that the unskilled score potatos are usually in the top ranks and the newbies look up to them because of their high rank, not realizing that these score potatos are in reality no better a player than the newbie. So the newbie tries to emulate the score potato, picking up the score potato's bad habits and timid passive-aggressive like fighting style.
It's called the Voss/Zazen Passive-Aggressive Timid Combat Syndrome and it seems to be corrupting the MA in epidemic proportions. They can easily be indentified by their motto, "Why learn ACM when you can game the game", and usually have a confused, blank look upon their face when ACM and/or tactics are mentioned.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Grimm
Naw, My signature ride for a while in AW was the Mossie. It was the King of Head Ons there. You had so much ammo, you couldnt really run it out. and It had the biggest Guns in the Game. So you could just Spray and Spray on the merge.
It was a Drag Magnet too.. Guys would fixate on your six, and squadies could come pick them off with easy. If your enemy ignored you, You simply turned it around (actualy it was hard to turn) and snuck up and killed him. It also had BuffTuff Hardness so it was really hard to shoot down.
I forgot about the Mossie. If you were real good dragging a low fighter, you could drop 1 egg from about 600ft and blow him up on your 6.:D
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Originally posted by rpm371
I forgot about the Mossie. If you were real good dragging a low fighter, you could drop 1 egg from about 600ft and blow him up on your 6.:D
Remember the uber-turning-fighting-B17s? I had one once chasing my P-38 when I pulled up into a steep climb and dropped my bombs that I carried and was rewarded with a kill message on the uber-17. SkyKi was whining real loud after that one
Ack-Ack
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I agree with that bboson, AW had a hell of an offline agenda.
Still one of the best mission builders I have ever used.
Except the damm ace opponents shot from at 45 degree angles from the nose. But so did xOOx.:confused:
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I miss goons with guns. Never shot anything down with them, but at least I had a gun in my goon.
Glove
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Originally posted by Shane
what i miss most from AW was the fact that seals and lamers pretty much got clubbed and edjumacated to become better players.
I think some of that has to do with the widespread abuse of the LA-7 as a do-everything fighter. If a new guy gets in trouble in an LA-7, he can always run away before any maneuvering gets into play. I've seen a lot of players use the LA-7 to do airfield strikes, simply because they know they can do a token bomb drop on a VH or city, then de-ack the field and vulch it until they either run out of gas or ammo or both. If they encounter a defensive fighter CAP, they simply drop the eggs and run. No fancy ACM there.
In the days of AW, the dweeb ride was the Spitfire, which could be caught by the Mustang and the 190. Players in the Spitfire were forced to learn how to dogfight, because running really wasn't an option.
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FIGHTER TOWN...
I know you can use the Duel arena, but it just isnt the same.
Anyone who hung out there can tell you that you became a better pilot for doing so.
I miss the guys in FT too
Mc2
Rotor Drano < 109 boy
Buzz <> I just plain miss Buzz
HR <
Shane
Big-T Silk
and all the other guys who would fly n die for the fun of it :)
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
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damm ace opponents shot from at 45 degree angles from the nose. But so did xOOx.:confused:
Hehe...that name brings back memories - almost always on in the early morning hours, had many a grudge fight with that bastiche :)
culero
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Originally posted by Grimm
Naw, My signature ride for a while in AW was the Mossie. It was the King of Head Ons there. You had so much ammo, you couldnt really run it out. and It had the biggest Guns in the Game. So you could just Spray and Spray on the merge.
You must have joined after the Great Mossie Raid, when Kesmai turned on the guns on Mossies for the first time, and the ground was littered with the blood, guts, and feathers of pilots who had gotten complacent about the fast but unarmed Mosquito.
Unfortunately, Gray Eagle's picture of the Great Mossie Raid is no longer available from any of the websites with his artwork on them that are searchable. Pity.
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Originally posted by culero
/cm gunnery HeadonDamageChance = 0.030000
/cm gunnery BuffHeadonDamageChance = 0.300000
/cm gunnery CenterLineMult = 1.000000
Lol, I had no conpunction to actually look up the scripts (I do still have them tho). Im not even sure exactly where my cm manual is anymore. :p
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Originally posted by Flossy
When I spoke to Mage, he said he was no longer in the gaming industry, but he was an Assistant Manager in a branch of Radio Shack! :)
Also he is gaming FRPG's right now and is planning to work into having his own Radio Shack in the future. I said hey "Mage hows it going? People were just asking about you in BW" Mage:"Yea, I know, flossy just caught me a little while ago" lol
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I miss the RR Arena key word being "RELAXED"
Korea was great. 10K was plenty of alt, didn't take forever to get to the fight or get home. Knife fighting Jets was a blast!
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Version 1.9 of another sim presently in open beta will give you b and d That's half way there.
von Beeg
Originally posted by gofaster
... that I wish Aces High had:
(a) a kill list showing the last 5 guys I shot down and the last guy that shot me down.
(b) bridges over water.
(c) Ki-84 Hayate
(d) aircraft factories that, when killed, deprived that country of that plane.
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I miss being good at a flight sim. :(
Reached #11 in FR one month. Usually in the top 25 or so.
Harder to get the motivation here, or maybe I'm just getting old.
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Originally posted by Hap
no h/o's. forced one to use acms
Hmm, appears you played a different AW from the one I played. Centerline guns planes got a hit bonus. 38 and 109 drivers would HO all day long.
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Originally posted by Hap
no h/o's. forced one to use acms
u mean weapons are useless when shooting HO at AW?
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
u mean weapons are useless when shooting HO at AW?
97% of HO hits were rejected by the server, you could score HO pings, but it wasnt a reliable tactic to count on a kill. Unlike AH where some live by HOs and wouldnt know the difference between a split-s and a chandelle
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hmm, appears you played a different AW from the one I played. Centerline guns planes got a hit bonus. 38 and 109 drivers would HO all day long.
Only if the bonus was turned on. It wasn't in the AW3 arenas on Gamestorm/EA. Centerline lethality multiplier was set to 1.0 (nil).
I'm not sure, wasn't involved with arena setup back then, but I think moggy may have used a 1.25 centerline lethality multiplier in AW4W at AOL. Perhaps that was carried over into AW2/3 there as well?
culero
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Isn't this game dead? I swear you people and your love for AW is hilarious. Why can't you accept AH for what it is and talk about this game now? You don't see threads in here about how great FA was or god forsaken Warbirds or what not. Let it go Jim she's dead. And I really do miss paying $30 a month.
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Isn't this game dead?
Yeap :(
I swear you people and your love for AW is hilarious. [/QUOTE]
~shrug~
Glad we could amuse ewe :)
Why can't you accept AH for what it is [/QUOTE]
Who says we dont?
Take Nobaddy, the guy I replied to, for instance. He's involved to the hilt - or haven't you noticed that great new MA terrain he built, and is continuing to refine? Have you contributed anything similar lately?
and talk about this game now? [/QUOTE]
Who says we don't? Try a posting search on any of the handles you're whining about. No harm doing a little reminiscing, too.
You don't see threads in here about how great FA was or god forsaken Warbirds or what not. [/QUOTE]
Hmmm....that certainly says something, eh? :)
Let it go Jim she's dead. [/QUOTE]
Bugger off this thread, if you don't care for it, how about?
And I really do miss paying $30 a month. [/QUOTE]
I'm sure HTC would gladly accept a $15 honorarium along with your monthly $15 payment ;)
culero (Problems Solved $5)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hmm, appears you played a different AW from the one I played. Centerline guns planes got a hit bonus. 38 and 109 drivers would HO all day long.
I think we both recall AW4W.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by culero
Yeap :(
I swear you people and your love for AW is hilarious.
~shrug~
Glad we could amuse ewe :)
Why can't you accept AH for what it is [/QUOTE]
Who says we dont?
Take Nobaddy, the guy I replied to, for instance. He's involved to the hilt - or haven't you noticed that great new MA terrain he built, and is continuing to refine? Have you contributed anything similar lately?
and talk about this game now? [/QUOTE]
Who says we don't? Try a posting search on any of the handles you're whining about. No harm doing a little reminiscing, too.
You don't see threads in here about how great FA was or god forsaken Warbirds or what not. [/QUOTE]
Hmmm....that certainly says something, eh? :)
Let it go Jim she's dead. [/QUOTE]
Bugger off this thread, if you don't care for it, how about?
And I really do miss paying $30 a month. [/QUOTE]
I'm sure HTC would gladly accept a $15 honorarium along with your monthly $15 payment ;)
culero (Problems Solved $5) [/B][/QUOTE]
Culero! What brings the rabid Texan to these part of the woods? Give Culera by best :D
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Why can't you accept AH for what it is and talk about this game now?
Well, I don't think I could do much more than I have done and continue to do in AH - but I also come from AW and have fond memories of it. I certainly 'talk about this game' on a daily basis! :)
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Now that's gotta be the pissiest "God" ever. :rolleyes: :D
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Diseny Land.... I miss that fine bit of land in the south east were all the nweebs and maco warriors would gather.
Chitown flyer... aka Chi in AW
AKA Maddog in WB
currently on the gound :)
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Isn't this game dead? I swear you people and your love for AW is hilarious. Why can't you accept AH for what it is and talk about this game now? You don't see threads in here about how great FA was or god forsaken Warbirds or what not. Let it go Jim she's dead. And I really do miss paying $30 a month.
shut up... dork.
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I dont post here but since it's about AW I tought I would try to give it a shot.
Was flying AW a lot, did begin in the early days when we had no internet, cost me a lot I tell you.
Yes at the end I was only flying Fighter town, that was the place to learn and get better or die. I died a lot there but learned a lot.
To talk about some good stick like Krusher said :
Mc2 (he was flying spit IX mostly if I remember right)
Rotor (nice 38 driver, he got me a lot)
Drano (Hard to beat)
Buzz(think buzz has passed away, not sure but I read it somewhere, miss that guy so much, I fought against him a lot in his 109 at early hours, what a gent )
and HR to name a few (Did I ever talk fight that guy, sorry HR :))
One I cant really remember (handle) kicked bellybutton over all of them, he was flying 38, this guy was awesome to say the least.
Not to put a nail on you Shane but I never saw you in Fighter Town, would've liked :).
Rocketman was the dude in the big blue, man I think I got him only once in a 2 years leaps.. hehe.
This was the time I learned to fly and respect a lot of good stick. Had a lot of helped me out, we were one kind of a breed, that miss me a lot.
I also miss that time but life has to on, and on I am, learning new skills in this game (It's so different).
I am willing to learn to get better but take it with a grain of salt. At my age I always try to learn to have fun and not turn everything so serious, it's only a game isnt it ?
Oh, my handle was Blues then and I wasnt a threat, like today.
Sorry for my english since it is not my native language.
Just wanted to share with you all there :)
Have a nice day all.
HR <
Shane
Big-T Silk
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Originally posted by Tumor
shut up... dork.
LOL that the best ya got? I have hooked bigger fish then you move along the wading pool is somewhere yonder...
PS Aw wasn't that good....
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Originally posted by bluesy
One I cant really remember (handle) kicked bellybutton over all of them, he was flying 38, this guy was awesome to say the least.
Not to put a nail on you Shane but I never saw you in Fighter Town, would've liked :).
might've been before i was there... i was there in FT on and off the last 18 months or so... you might or might not recall a cpid of Oopsy (not OOps)...
the 38 pilot was probably +dead, aka, silk, aka many other handles aka our very own leviathn... or maybe kitty? those two often flew together.
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ANyone know what happened to Gene? Gene had been a goon pilot for real in the war. I know he was still flying when I packed up and came over here a few months before AW died.
NX2000
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Originally posted by AHGOD
LOL that the best ya got? I have hooked bigger fish then you move along the wading pool is somewhere yonder...
LMAO
PS Aw wasn't that good....
Please, dont feed the trolls. No reason to argue that mabey AW wasnt the best graphicly based MMOL game, but it was the first. No reason to mention that mabey AW wasnt the best ever online flight sim, but it was the first. No reason to argue where other sims would be if their developers hadnt played AW. We all know that stuff anyways, we were there. No reason at all :)
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Originally posted by bluesy
One I cant really remember (handle) kicked bellybutton over all of them, he was flying 38, this guy was awesome to say the least.
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There can only be one best at a time I suppose, but AW ran for so long, it would be hard to nail down who that would be out of the long list of alumni. Dark9 and I were throwing 'great pj' names at each other for like 20 minutes last night lol. In my early days there was a pony pilot Stevn (no, not Steve) that dominated for awhile and dissapeared. Years later I asked what ever happened to that guy? Not one person in the arena ever heard of him, lol.
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That reminds me of one of my first experiences in AH. Some guy rammed me and got the kill before he died.
He was like "Yeaaaa, I killed Murdr".
Murdr:"Huh? You rammed my wing off?"
"I was never able to get a kill on you in AW"
lol
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Originally posted by Murdr
In my early days there was a pony pilot Stevn (no, not Steve) that dominated for awhile and dissapeared. Years later I asked what ever happened to that guy? Not one person in the arena ever heard of him, lol.
Dark9 and I were throwing 'great pj' names at each other for like 20 minutes last night lol.
I remember flying with Stevn as we'd set up shop above B83 for the brief time he was a Czlander. We had a good hunter/killer team going, me in the P-38 and Stevn in the P-51. I'd swoop down and get them to turn and he'd come in and bag them as I stalled them out. Then one day he just left AW4W when most of the squads left for AW2 and I had assumed he had gone there, guess not.
Anyone remember JG42 (a.k.a. Stinky)? She was one damn fine P-38 driver in AW4W, even got me to ditch the FW190A-8 that I started in to make an effort to learn the P-38.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by bluesy
Buzz(think buzz has passed away, not sure but I read it somewhere, miss that guy so much, I fought against him a lot in his 109 at early hours, what a gent )
Yes, unfortunately, Buzz (http://www.look-at-ewe.com/buzz.html) passed away earlier this year. He is sadly missed. :(
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Originally posted by bluesy
I dont post here but since it's about AW I tought I would try to give it a shot.
Was flying AW a lot, did begin in the early days when we had no internet, cost me a lot I tell you.
Yes at the end I was only flying Fighter town, that was the place to learn and get better or die. I died a lot there but learned a lot.
To talk about some good stick like Krusher said :
Mc2 (he was flying spit IX mostly if I remember right)
Rotor (nice 38 driver, he got me a lot)
Drano (Hard to beat)
Buzz(think buzz has passed away, not sure but I read it somewhere, miss that guy so much, I fought against him a lot in his 109 at early hours, what a gent )
and HR to name a few (Did I ever talk fight that guy, sorry HR :))
One I cant really remember (handle) kicked bellybutton over all of them, he was flying 38, this guy was awesome to say the least.
Not to put a nail on you Shane but I never saw you in Fighter Town, would've liked :).
Rocketman was the dude in the big blue, man I think I got him only once in a 2 years leaps.. hehe.
This was the time I learned to fly and respect a lot of good stick. Had a lot of helped me out, we were one kind of a breed, that miss me a lot.
I also miss that time but life has to on, and on I am, learning new skills in this game (It's so different).
I am willing to learn to get better but take it with a grain of salt. At my age I always try to learn to have fun and not turn everything so serious, it's only a game isnt it ?
Oh, my handle was Blues then and I wasnt a threat, like today.
Sorry for my english since it is not my native language.
Just wanted to share with you all there :)
Have a nice day all.
HR <
Shane
Big-T Silk
were you bluesy then or just blues? I remember a blues that flew later in the eveneing
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Originally posted by Krusher
were you bluesy then or just blues? I remember a blues that flew later in the eveneing
Yeah he's the same ol Blues we knew back then. I've flown with him a couple of times here. Great seeing him around. I've prolly seen most all of the old FT crowd here in AH at one time or another.
As to the dominant P-38 driver I'd have to guess that'd been +Dead/Cilk/ "I can't believe he's not Fabio". He'd often times wipe up the arena and make it look easy. His AH incarnation is Leviathan. Guy never ceases to amaze me. I miss his old wingie Kitty too. She was a trip!
Drano
P.S. How the hell did I make his list? You guys all know I suck bigtime.:D
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Originally posted by gshine666
ANyone know what happened to Gene? Gene had been a goon pilot for real in the war. I know he was still flying when I packed up and came over here a few months before AW died.
NX2000
If I remember correctly Gene's handle was goaly in AW and he flies as goaly here in AH.
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would have to be the shades accounts
still chuckle as it comes out years later about half the guys in "memorable fights" I fought or winged unknowingly as I rarely flew under shades. Makes reviewing old films more enjoyable when you know the whole story.
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No,no. Gene^ the one listed in the dropdown menu here (http://potw.airwarrior.furballcentral.com/index.phtml)
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Originally posted by Murdr
No,no. Gene^ the one listed in the dropdown menu here (http://potw.airwarrior.furballcentral.com/index.phtml)
Thanks Murdr. I tried to ask about him in the MA once, but all I did was start a "AW is great / AW Sux" tirade.
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I really miss all those people playing AW. Those were the days.
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Originally posted by Mathman
I really miss all those people playing AW. Those were the days.
A Whine Has Been Recorded...
Ack-Ack
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I used to fly in AW, along time ago about 4 years ago, if my memory served me with the dammed.
I put in my time. Spend my 1,000's of dollars between AW and WB I have a right to have a say????
Why was my acccount on AGW wiped out, WHY???? i
it would seem I am now Black listed???? at lest at AGW if so.... WHY ???
And if I am then... the guys who black list me can go to HELL
Chi AW, Maddog WB...
and ready to defend myself to the jerks that want to shut me up...
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer
I used to fly in AW, along time ago about 4 years ago, if my memory served me with the dammed.
I had made a comment here about the area in the se corner of the AW that got the nick name "Disney land" apparntly my post on this tread got wiped out... WHY??????
I put in my time. Spend my 1,000's of dollars between AW and WB I have a right to have a say????
I My acccount was wiped on AGW, WHY???? i
it seems I am now Black listed???? if so.... WHY ???
ANd if I am then... i will go bigweek.general and tell you all there
were the guys to black list me can go..
Chi AW, Maddog WB...
and ready to defend myself to the jerks that want to shut me up...
:eek:
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Diseny Land.... I miss that fine bit of land in the south east were all the nweebs and maco warriors would gather.
Chitown flyer... aka Chi in AW
AKA Maddog in WB
currently on the gound :)
Is this the "silenced" post lol?
-Sik
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YES.....
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer
YES.....
dude, it's right there, like 20 some odd posts above this. :confused:
-Sik
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Sorry, guy... let me tell you what happend.
I was looking at this tread, I do lurk the boards regularly. And didn't find my post.
I then did a search on my id name "chitownflyer'" and found my posts listed.
I went to look at if my post was there.. and at first it seem to be gone.
I got mad wrote my unhappyness about it
In looking much more closely, it seems that the people in charge, at this fine board did not remove my posts....
I do appolgise for my comments and I am sorry....
Although, the boys at Agw have wiped my long time account there as well as not answering my requests to setup a new posting account there....
That fact has made me a little paranoid.
you can understand that, I;m sure.
Any way, I am sorry for my post here at
AH forum..
Chi AW Maddog WB
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Hi Chi.
BW misses you :-)
be seeing you :)
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I miss the old days... they were good times
Right now I'm gearing up for TR .
Also I have been comtemplating coming over to AH... Now that I have a good computer and will be purchasing, very soon, full CH USB stuff for my return to active service:)
I do miss the old days.... may be the magic can happen again ;)
See you all later
Chi
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I miss My FW-190A4 :(
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/186017/RXA4.gif)
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Most of the folks I remember fondly from AW are here. But there are a few from way back that I'd love to find out about
Bunny - (wasn't she a shill?) Buns?
45ACP - was a very good F4U stick in AW.
KRSCO - Wouldn't leave RR, was too caustic for the FR room.
LPN - (I think this is 'Kimberly' now in AH) Could make an A-26 dance.
C5Gxy - also a great A-26 stick.
LEPP - Left our squad to go to school... great kid.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
KRSCO - Wouldn't leave RR, was too caustic for the FR room.
I wouldn't be surprised to find him in FA, with the rest of the 'FR is too hard for me crowd.'
Ack-Ack
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I remember krsco in RR Europe, flying his spit at 45k, telling the world how good he was.
I think he finally took his show to bigpac, I sure don't miss him.
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I miss FR being FR in a supposely FR arena.
Seems stall limiter is on in the Main Arena.
I miss the antics and general good natured combat.
I miss the Idea that who you shot down regularly meant a lot more than your rank.
I miss the regular reports on hacks found.
I miss the Named bases(since Training Arena bases had one named for me)
I Miss the Macros!
I miss the chat like preflight rooms and the great flyers giving tips to whomever was in the room.
I miss wondering who the people were that the bases were named after.......And then meeting them!
I miss the 100 players in one sector arena resets!!!
The mission planner,plane skins, the pictures and films generated and the ease to edit them. AH film viewer does not translate to an outside viewer as well.
A lot of people that played AW and not made it into AH:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Stegahorse
I miss the frequent claims about hacks -n- cheats.
I Miss the Macros!
That is so RR. :D
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Originally posted by Stegahorse
Seems stall limiter is on in the Main Arena.
It's a client side setting, uncheck it in Settings.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by MWHUN
If I remember correctly Gene's handle was goaly in AW and he flies as goaly here in AH.
Nope. Gene was Gene.. and a fine old gentleman I might add. The saying was Gene ,Gene , the gooning machine. I had more fun talking to Gene than any other time in AW. The EDC had an interview with Gene that was really interesting. It was sorta cool to have someone in the game on a daily basis that had"been there , done that".
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Originally posted by Steve
I remember krsco in RR Europe, flying his spit at 45k, telling the world how good he was.
I think he finally took his show to bigpac, I sure don't miss him.
i used to love slapping him down in bigpac.
:D
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No jousting. You had to earn all your kills there.
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bluesy maybe his handle was cusco along with his girlfriend Emerald. allways on late at night. maybe?
cusco allway flew the p38 or almost always. I always found cusco to be hard to kill.
What i miss the most is the F4U what a plane that was in AW.
I was so dissappointed when i went to WB and found out they didnt model it the same way. Also dissappointing was that AH doesn't model it that way either. :mad:
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Originally posted by Stegahorse
I miss the Named bases(since Training Arena bases had one named for me)
wow stega i had forgotten & i wish ah had something comparable to air warrior's weekly training classes. i recollect looking forward to them very much each week. if ah had the same, i think new pilots' enjoyment would be enhanced.
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Originally posted by MWHUN
If I remember correctly Gene's handle was goaly in AW and he flies as goaly here in AH.
I think that Gene's handle in AW was "Gene".
I was "goaly" in AW and here in AH also. I remeber flying with Gene, he spent a lot of time flying goons the same as I did in AW and still do here.
Of course in AW you could change your handle once a day if you wished. So some players are known by several names.
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I could swear I clearified the Gene^ identity issue about 20 post ago
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Originally posted by Murdr
I could swear I clearified the Gene^ identity issue about 20 post ago
You did! But no one answered my question about what happened to him. Guess no one knows. :(
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I believe Loogy was his son. I don`t know if Loogy plays AH or not.
I remember Gene celebrated his 77 0r 78th birthday during AW. I may have Gene`s e-mail addy on an old puter. Will check when I get everything put back in order after I moved.
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I miss the DiKtAtOr Squadron, They were great for my K/D ratio and their Macros were funny. They'd actually complain when someone came over and disturbed their milk runs, can you imagine that? :rolleyes:
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What I miss about DOS AW:
1. The HATE
Before the AOL ruined AW, before the threat of lawsuits, before kids got on the internet, before forum moderators, TOS nazis, and "bad word filters", before cheap monthly membership plans, the Hate really flowed. You could say whatever you wanted and the other guy, instead of whining about personal attacks, was expected to fight back with equal vigor. And the watching community cheered them on instead of lamenting the low level the argument had sunk to. Hell, even the Kesmai staff joined in enthusiastically. And if somebody somehow managed to exceed the very wide bounds the times then allowed, the community policed itself with otracism. GAWD, those were some awesome flame wars, especially because the education level of most of the participants was higher than today. Those were the foulest, yet most creative, insults ever fired in anger. I saved some of the truly imaginative rants and reread them in these pathetic, touchy-feely times when I miss the old days. Some of the DoK-GB lovefests still bring a tear to my eye.
2. The Hunts
These were part of the overall Hate. Because the maps were tiny and had less than 100 folks on them, it was pretty easy to find particular nmes. And you had a score card that showed your last 10 kills, so the object became declaring war on 1 individual and then posting up your score card showing how many times you got him. This would often result in, or be a part of, an epic flamewar on the boards, and would be accompanied by entertaining missives on ch 1.
3. The Neutral Fields
You could only capture neutral fields, of which there were only a few on the map, all near the center. Thus, the front lines never moved very much and there was always a huge, constant furball in the center with decreasing numbers to the edges where the FNGs hung out until they got the hang of the interface. No landgrabbing, no strat system, just air combat for its own sake and the personal vendettas arising from it.
4. The Constant Explosions
Every time anybody died anywhere in the arena, you heard the boom, even if you were on the other side of the map. This cued you to look down and see who'd bought the farm. Usually, there was a death explosion every second or so and it gave the arena an attractively ominous feel. You couldn't escape the fact that guys were dying all around you all the time, even if you couldn't see them, and it made you wonder what was getting them and whether it was sneaking up on you. I think it really helped folks get better SA.
5. 12 Visible Planes
There might be 50 planes in the furball, but the game would only show you 12 of them. You had a choice of seeing the 12 closest planes, or the 12 closest nmes or friends. All the planes you couldn't see where there, however, and could kill you if they could see you. This really kept you on your SA toes. On the down side, it caused real problems in scenarios, especially for buffs and their escorts.
6. Theater Maps for Whole Campaigns
For a full month, we had the one EUR map. Then the next month, we had the one PAC map. Only a few USAAF planes were available on both maps. Otherwise, the PAC map was IJN vs. USN and the EUR map was USAAF and Brit vs. LW. So the plane matchups were much more historical than today. Also, by having the same map all month, and the front lines basically static, squads could make detailed mission plans far in advance, listing specific launch fields and targets.
7. Editable Artwork
You could edit what passed for "skins" in those days (actually just graphic masks over part of your monitor area) and use the result in any arena. Thus, you could put squad insignia on your wings, or make your plane look like a car, or add drink holders to your cockpit, etc. Only you could see this, but it was cool. You didn't have to have the new art built into a specific map.
8. The Look and Feel
Graphic refinements and increased visual realism are all very fine. But there was just something about that flat, featureless pooltable ground stretching to infinity and the brown pyramid mountains under that cloudless, monochrome blue sky and the yellow circle that never moved or cast shadows. This sky was filled with crude, very low-count, gray, green, and blue polys somewhat resembling aircraft. It was a harsh, stark environment truly befitting its harsh, stark inhabitants. It was like another plane of existence, a sick parody of the real world, some nameless Hell to which the truly Evil had been condemned to fight their unwinnable, unending war for all eternity, while hurling insults, taunts, and jeers at each other as the demonic Kesmoids looked down and gloated maliciously.
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I flew in AW as CHI for a number of years from the time it was still on Compuserve and the 400 dollar bills to the about the time i was in the Dammned and they all move off to EQ for while and then on to AH.
Those were heady times. The hunts were particularly delightful. The flame wars were nice to...none of the mamy bamby TOS and othat PC bull... It was by you wits and and your skill that you
showed you got the right stuff.
That was time were all learn to walk the walk as well as talk the talk.
Those were the days....
Chi in AW Maddog WB
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Originally posted by Bullethead
8. The Look and Feel
Graphic refinements and increased visual realism are all very fine. But there was just something about that flat, featureless pooltable ground stretching to infinity and the brown pyramid mountains under that cloudless, monochrome blue sky and the yellow circle that never moved or cast shadows. This sky was filled with crude, very low-count, gray, green, and blue polys somewhat resembling aircraft. It was a harsh, stark environment truly befitting its harsh, stark inhabitants. It was like another plane of existence, a sick parody of the real world, some nameless Hell to which the truly Evil had been condemned to fight their unwinnable, unending war for all eternity, while hurling insults, taunts, and jeers at each other as the demonic Kesmoids looked down and gloated maliciously.
QUITIT man!! I'd almost buried these fond memories!
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I miss the fully loaded Death Star buffs. A B-17 loaded with crewmates was a blast !
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Originally posted by Bullethead
What I miss about DOS AW:
It was a harsh, stark environment truly befitting its harsh, stark inhabitants. It was like another plane of existence, a sick parody of the real world, some nameless Hell to which the truly Evil had been condemned to fight their unwinnable, unending war for all eternity, while hurling insults, taunts, and jeers at each other as the demonic Kesmoids looked down and gloated maliciously.
Well said BH.
culero
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Thanks, guys. I'm glad there are still some of us around who miss those Mythic Days of Evil Gods and Anti-Heroes. Feature-wise, AH spanks all versions of AW like red-headed stepkids. But DOS AW had the 2 absolutely essential features, after which all else is gravy: you could fight, and you could Hate. You can fight in AH, as well as do a bunch of other things, but it's damn hard to Hate here without running afoul of the law and the touchy-feely herd of PC mamma's boys we're stuck with today :(
I wish HTC would run AH like a porn site. Put a XXX sign on the door, require proof of 21+ years to enter, then let shut the doors and let the Hate flow as Gawd intended. And jack the price back up to $5/hr or thereabouts, to keep the slackers out. Then we'd have nothing but the adults who take the game TOO seriously, with the freedom to actually take it TOO seriously. Just like back in the Evil Old Days ;)
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Originally posted by Bullethead
Thanks, guys. I'm glad there are still some of us around who miss those Mythic Days of Evil Gods and Anti-Heroes. Feature-wise, AH spanks all versions of AW like red-headed stepkids. But DOS AW had the 2 absolutely essential features, after which all else is gravy: you could fight, and you could Hate. You can fight in AH, as well as do a bunch of other things, but it's damn hard to Hate here without running afoul of the law and the touchy-feely herd of PC mamma's boys we're stuck with today :(
I wish HTC would run AH like a porn site. Put a XXX sign on the door, require proof of 21+ years to enter, then let shut the doors and let the Hate flow as Gawd intended. And jack the price back up to $5/hr or thereabouts, to keep the slackers out. Then we'd have nothing but the adults who take the game TOO seriously, with the freedom to actually take it TOO seriously. Just like back in the Evil Old Days ;)
The Hate is strong in you...
Ack-Ack
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It's been a great read, even to the end!!! I came onboard in 1996 on AOL. Joined the CMC (Cutthroats Mercenary Company) and we flew "planned ops". I miss those. In Big Pac, I think it was B-63 where we usually flew from and then had a CZ or AZ plan set forth to kill and attack,
Next, I miss turnfighting in the A-26. What guns! For that matter, I miss the plane too.
Scenarios, CONs, WWI planes, all great memories.
Other things I miss are our TRI-LAMB events with the ACCS, SHEPS (69th Sheppards), and CMC all getting an arena setup by Mage, and the three of us put our CO's in Jeeps, the rest of the members flew spits or whatever hunting the other teams CO...............LOL Of course, the scouts would also be engaged by other fighters protecting too.
The last one we did, we closed the WWI arena, and each squad got it's own base-1, and we had a tank battle. The other craft, was that ever stealthy, gunned C-47. hehehehe
It's great to see the likes of so many players who have moved here. +Dead (Leviathon) was one of the coolest of cool. He even posted a bounty on himself on our website. Had many a great duel with him, never collect on any of them though! hehe :D
He was gracious and skillful. He is still that today. Don't think I up to dueling him yet for the bounty, since I am such a newbie here,,,,,,,,,,Since Oct 1999 :)
Yes, I definately miss fellow squadmates and many friends over the years.
The Cutthroat Kill Macro was HAR ! Now it is a greeting and formal salute to friends and foes alike! We are Pirates of the first order. aka pierats ;)
I am honored to have been a part of AW for so many years, and am honored to be part of AH equally. I am grateful for the HTC folks who run this and keep it working better than AW ever could.
"Two Weeks" to fix is not the catch phrase here. 2 days, maybe.
Next release, well..........:D
Salute and HAR!!
Thanks for the memories!
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
(http://www.webdesignbyken.com/images/CMCsmall.gif)
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One of the things I miss from AW is a f4U that will outclimb everything except the ki-84 in RR big pac. Think they changed that near the end of AW. Made for some interesting battles against F6F's, boom and zoom until they made a mistake. JAYRO was very good at that.
Definitaly miss the Deathstars, upping at a capped base with a load of squaddies was a blast, or just taking a couple heavily gunned B-17's over enemy bases, gave us a lot of time to BS with each other. But I dont miss the fact that the only gun that would fire was the one you were manning if you didnt have any gunners.
Also miss the Korea theater, was a change of pace when I felt the need for speed. Use the Me262 for that now, but it is hard to find jet vs. jet fights.
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I miss:
*fully gunnable buffs (in scenarios, these were awesome)
*A-26
*Macros (not kill macros, but macros in scenarios were uber important for reporting positions of buff groups, etc.)
*the Officer's Clubs where you meet before an op and you could see who was in the room
*the briefing rooms
*limited plane sets
*scenarios that just seemed so much more intense (if I could figure out why, I'd say)
*the ability to practice my gunnery skills outside of the main arenas. There was offline and the training arena.
*Stuka sirens]
*visible noseart
And above everything else......
...those training classes on Thursday (I think) nights. I really wish AH had something like that.
What I don't miss:
*RR
*Mysterious rolling jeeps
*icon limits
*Yippy was shot down
*Yippy crashed
What I wish both had:
*Planes that survived the pilot or after the pilot bailed
*Weather
*B-24
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Most things I miss have been said already but my major ones were:
1. Named fields (and yes I did have one named after me in the Big europe map, the one with lots of mountains in the entre with continual light ack)
2. SAC. I spent many many happy hours making skins for the scenario aircraft converter for Fidd, and got a combined member of the month award for it too, and a gamestorm T shirt!). funnily enuff I remember doing a red P38 for yippee one time...
3. The deathstar!, being able to man all the guns in a buff with friends and communicate with the intercomm.
but what I dont miss is seeing XooX flying... somehow he and I had a mutual attraction and I nearly always lost. Seeing that name in the end just prompted me to turn and run....
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I miss.....
... the creators of the AWIII SAC artwork. I wish AH was as "user" friendly.
While AH has had a several people who have built really nice sound sets (miss you Mitsu and Flakbait!), great maps (God bless em for trying to master the builder! Nuttz, AK's and NB!), accurate gunsights (IMO AH should have historically correct gunsites included. I snicker when I see "realism" people use sights that belong on a Star Wars Tie fighter) but I really miss being able to choose an historicallly accurate skin for different seasons, battles or theaters at will.
That's it though. There's honestly nothing else I miss about AW itself.
[edited: with the latest news from Pyro about skins it would appear that the one thing I've missed from AW will no longer be missed! ;) ]
Hey Bullethead. And long time no see! :)
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Originally posted by Bullethead
What I miss about DOS AW:
1. The HATE
Before the AOL ruined AW, before the threat of lawsuits, before kids got on the internet, before forum moderators, TOS nazis, and "bad word filters", before cheap monthly membership plans, the Hate really flowed. You could say whatever you wanted and the other guy, instead of whining about personal attacks, was expected to fight back with equal vigor. And the watching community cheered them on instead of lamenting the low level the argument had sunk to. Hell, even the Kesmai staff joined in enthusiastically. And if somebody somehow managed to exceed the very wide bounds the times then allowed, the community policed itself with otracism. GAWD, those were some awesome flame wars, especially because the education level of most of the participants was higher than today. Those were the foulest, yet most creative, insults ever fired in anger. I saved some of the truly imaginative rants and reread them in these pathetic, touchy-feely times when I miss the old days. Some of the DoK-GB lovefests still bring a tear to my eye.
2. The Hunts
These were part of the overall Hate. Because the maps were tiny and had less than 100 folks on them, it was pretty easy to find particular nmes. And you had a score card that showed your last 10 kills, so the object became declaring war on 1 individual and then posting up your score card showing how many times you got him. This would often result in, or be a part of, an epic flamewar on the boards, and would be accompanied by entertaining missives on ch 1.
3. The Neutral Fields
You could only capture neutral fields, of which there were only a few on the map, all near the center. Thus, the front lines never moved very much and there was always a huge, constant furball in the center with decreasing numbers to the edges where the FNGs hung out until they got the hang of the interface. No landgrabbing, no strat system, just air combat for its own sake and the personal vendettas arising from it.
4. The Constant Explosions
Every time anybody died anywhere in the arena, you heard the boom, even if you were on the other side of the map. This cued you to look down and see who'd bought the farm. Usually, there was a death explosion every second or so and it gave the arena an attractively ominous feel. You couldn't escape the fact that guys were dying all around you all the time, even if you couldn't see them, and it made you wonder what was getting them and whether it was sneaking up on you. I think it really helped folks get better SA.
5. 12 Visible Planes
There might be 50 planes in the furball, but the game would only show you 12 of them. You had a choice of seeing the 12 closest planes, or the 12 closest nmes or friends. All the planes you couldn't see where there, however, and could kill you if they could see you. This really kept you on your SA toes. On the down side, it caused real problems in scenarios, especially for buffs and their escorts.
6. Theater Maps for Whole Campaigns
For a full month, we had the one EUR map. Then the next month, we had the one PAC map. Only a few USAAF planes were available on both maps. Otherwise, the PAC map was IJN vs. USN and the EUR map was USAAF and Brit vs. LW. So the plane matchups were much more historical than today. Also, by having the same map all month, and the front lines basically static, squads could make detailed mission plans far in advance, listing specific launch fields and targets.
7. Editable Artwork
You could edit what passed for "skins" in those days (actually just graphic masks over part of your monitor area) and use the result in any arena. Thus, you could put squad insignia on your wings, or make your plane look like a car, or add drink holders to your cockpit, etc. Only you could see this, but it was cool. You didn't have to have the new art built into a specific map.
8. The Look and Feel
Graphic refinements and increased visual realism are all very fine. But there was just something about that flat, featureless pooltable ground stretching to infinity and the brown pyramid mountains under that cloudless, monochrome blue sky and the yellow circle that never moved or cast shadows. This sky was filled with crude, very low-count, gray, green, and blue polys somewhat resembling aircraft. It was a harsh, stark environment truly befitting its harsh, stark inhabitants. It was like another plane of existence, a sick parody of the real world, some nameless Hell to which the truly Evil had been condemned to fight their unwinnable, unending war for all eternity, while hurling insults, taunts, and jeers at each other as the demonic Kesmoids looked down and gloated maliciously.
You nailed it....those were truly the good ol days:)
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I think guys that HTC's decision to leave Aces High a closed source game for the graphics has put a damper on certain elements.
For example as Bullethead pointed out, having a drink-cup holder in your cockpit is a classic example how a little open model game can improve the look and feel of a sim. Why Aces High is not, completely mystifies me.
Sure, the open sound model works well, but why not let me load different skins for aircraft? Yeah, you can edit them into the map, but what if my squad has a certain skin for their aircraft they want to use? Why not let me load my own? Who cares if I wish to paint NIK-2’s and LA-7’s bright florescent green with a bulls eye on the cockpit? :D
Anyways, here’s to hoping AH2 will have more editable elements other than gun sights and sounds.
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7. Editable Artwork
You could edit what passed for "skins" in those days (actually just graphic masks over part of your monitor area) and use the result in any arena. Thus, you could put squad insignia on your wings, or make your plane look like a car, or add drink holders to your cockpit, etc. Only you could see this, but it was cool. You didn't have to have the new art built into a specific map.
Break was a great program, I remember how satisfied I was when I put invasion stripes on my 51.
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I miss the AW FR blackouts. If you pushed too hard, you didn't just get tunnel vision like you do here. In AW you actually blacked out and lost control of your plane for several seconds.
Made you learn to fly the edge or else!
Here it's too easy to pull whopper G's and even fly and make turns while in the tunnel.
The spins were nastier too, or I've just gotten better at spin recovery.
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Not long ago, the flight model in here was a bit less forgiving than it is today. From Beta to 2001 or so, blackouts and spins in here were ugly! I got into a 15K downward spin in a P-38 back then and it didn't look like I was going to recover it. I finally did, around 2K.
Some lower spins could not be saved. HTC made the model a bit more user friendly to accomodate the RR AW crowd and others that were flocking into his realm. Other things like auto takeoff were born then too.
Maybe to your credit and mine, I haven't had a spin in AH since I don't know when. (missing a wing not included) :D
Originally posted by MOSQ
I miss the AW FR blackouts. If you pushed too hard, you didn't just get tunnel vision like you do here. In AW you actually blacked out and lost control of your plane for several seconds.
Made you learn to fly the edge or else!
Here it's too easy to pull whopper G's and even fly and make turns while in the tunnel.
The spins were nastier too, or I've just gotten better at spin recovery.
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
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Like figuring out who Harvey H. Nininger was !
Wasn't he the meteorite guy?
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What is miss is that there isnt someplace like AW that has HO's "off" so that all the HO whinners could go play there and keep the whinning about HOs down to a minimum on AH.
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what are FR and RR?
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Originally posted by udet
what are FR and RR?
FR=Full Realism-included blackouts, massive spins, heavy stalls, and redouts like AH has normally.
RR=Relaxed Realism-yank and bank all ya want, no blackouts or spins, just point and shoot. A novice setting for players who needed a gamey sim but not all the extras.
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
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Originally posted by udet
what are FR and RR?
Those terms actually came into existence pretty late in AW's history. FR stood for, but did not actually mean, "full realism". RR stood for, and actually mean, "relaxed realism".
Back in the very ancient days, late 80s, AW started out with extremely little in the way of realism (no gravity, for example) and the planes moved at 1/2 speed or even less (this was when 2400 Baud was a FAST connection). As the game and the internet evolved and realism features were added, they kept the less-realistic stuff alive as a kiddie pool. Eventually, by the early/mid-90s, the arenas had become as follows:
HT: "Half-Time", meaning planes moved in slo-mo. In addition, no spins, no blackouts, not even real stalling in the vertical, greater toughness, and lots more ammo with less lethality. This was where the real dweebs played and drunk vets would sometimes sneak in there to terrorize them, physically and verbally. GAWD that was hilarious, especially because there was no killshooter :D Kesmai, instead of frowning on these Evil Acts of Overt Griefing, thought it was all hilarious and often ran Evil Con Missions to reduce the HT dweebs literally to tears. I mean, NOBODY had any respect for the HT dweebs :D
Edit: Seriously, guys who griefed HT would post up their exploits on the official boards, including films. and everybody applauded particularly Evil acts. When HT dweebs posted complaints, they were howled off the stage, even by Kesmoids. When they'd then post up that they were quitting, Moggy or Centurion would simply post "A kill has been recorded" and that was that. Ah, the memories :D Today, that sort of fun would get players banned and company reps would get fired :(
RT: "Real Time", meaning the planes flew at realistic speeds and all the realism effects then in the game were present. This was the Great Bastion of HATE, the like of which has never been seen since they pulled the plug on Stimpy, the DOS AW host :(.
When DOS AW died, they changed this format in AW4W, AW2, and AW3. They kept the old HT stuff going in the newbie arena, renamed the RT arena to FR, and created the RR arena which was basically the newbie/HT arena only with full-speed planes.
But over time, the line between the FR and RR arenas blurred as Kesmai dumbed FR down. Aparently they did this because they had like 50 RR arenas and the lone FR arena was mostly empty, so they wanted to lure RR dweebs over. By 1/2way through AW3, the so-called FR arena was called KR by the cynical vets, for "kinda real". That's when I quit flying AW.
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This is old. When EA hired Indian staff ..English apparently wasnt a job requirement. But it was at the end of AW.If you arent fallin off your chair then you need some humor vitamins and do I know where to get them..Amway has them and Coach is your Amway man. Wheres my soap damnit?
Lew/+Silat
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In AW we all were fairly comfortable with the size of our own penii and didn't feel threatened enough or obligated to measure them every ten seconds to impress the crowd. Well ... the FR crowd was. Well, ok .... some of the FR crowd was.
Ok ... well ... no real difference there then.
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Originally posted by Horn
Wasn't he the meteorite guy?
h
Horn wins the prize ! I've had that signature now for many months, Horn is the first to figure it out.
Harvey was quite famous in the 30's, every kid in America knew who he was. The great unsolvable mystery was where do meteorites come from? Harvey dedicated his entire life to solving that mystery.
So Horn, you're either pretty old, or you're an astronomy geek !
Good job!
Mosq
Now I have to find another great quote from some unheard of person...:rolleyes::) :)
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"If I take refuge in ambiguity, I assure you that it’s quite conscious."
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Originally posted by Arlo
"If I take refuge in ambiguity, I assure you that it’s quite conscious."
Kingman Brewster, Yale President, 1963
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Originally posted by K-KEN
FR=Full Realism-included blackouts, massive spins, heavy stalls, and redouts like AH has normally.
RR=Relaxed Realism-yank and bank all ya want, no blackouts or spins, just point and shoot. A novice setting for players who needed a gamey sim but not all the extras.
K-KEN
There were some planes in the AW RR planeset you can actually spin. One of them was the P-38J and that was done by turning off one engine and doing a snap roll on the dead engine side. Thing would spin like a top until you turned the shut off engine back on. I'm sure you could have done it with any of the multi-engine planes in RR but I only did it with the P-38J.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Silat
This is old. When EA hired Indian staff ..English apparently wasnt a job requirement. But it was at the end of AW.If you arent fallin off your chair then you need some humor vitamins and do I know where to get them..Amway has them and Coach is your Amway man. Wheres my soap damnit?
Lew/+Silat
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That was a real smart move on EA's part, get rid of the volunteer staff and replace them with dot heads from India. My favorite reply from one of the dot head 'techs' responding to a players tech question about video related boots when the dot head told the player to update his mouse drivers since that's the cause of 99% of all video related problems in games.
Another funny time with the dot heads was when it came out that most of them were girls and then seeing a bunch of players trying to scam on some Indian girl from New Delhi.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by bfreek
What is miss is that there isnt someplace like AW that has HO's "off" so that all the HO whinners could go play there and keep the whinning about HOs down to a minimum on AH.
Don't HO and you won't need a seperate arena to whine in.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Bullethead
Kesmai, instead of frowning on these Evil Acts of Overt Griefing, thought it was all hilarious and often ran Evil Con Missions to reduce the HT dweebs literally to tears. I mean, NOBODY had any respect for the HT dweebs :D
It wasn't just the HT dweebs. One of the quirks about the old DOS AW was that all of the terrains actually lived together -- if you flew in the right direction from the FR terrain and had enough fuel, you'd reach the HT or WWI terrains. This created even more potential for Evil Con Missions, where Kesmai would turn the FR fuel consumption down to 0 and alt a mass 262 or B-17 raid from FR to HT or WWI -- completely untouchable aircraft raining death and destruction all over the other arenas.
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Screaming Drunks!!
I miss the screaming Drunks !
Also when you Bailed you screamed like a scared little girl.
(one time I bailed and told my CO about it, he said "Ya, I know, I heard ya screamin !")
I miss the KI-84.
I miss the Fully manned B-17's
The way they poasted the kills
you used to be able to print out an AAR, ( Rad1 Killed so&so over enemy territory....)
Names of the fields and the maps. (I miss flying over Rabul in a Hog !)
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Originally posted by Shiva
It wasn't just the HT dweebs. One of the quirks about the old DOS AW was that all of the terrains actually lived together -- if you flew in the right direction from the FR terrain and had enough fuel, you'd reach the HT or WWI terrains. This created even more potential for Evil Con Missions, where Kesmai would turn the FR fuel consumption down to 0 and alt a mass 262 or B-17 raid from FR to HT or WWI -- completely untouchable aircraft raining death and destruction all over the other arenas.
Yeah, that was always a riot :). You had to go to a completely different type of arena to make that work, though.
Here's a story. It happened, IIRC, about the Fall of '95. By that time, there were more players than the arena limits could stand, so Kesmai had the FR EUR and PAC arenas open simultaneously, and the PAC only handled the overflow from EUR where everybody wanted to be for the spits and FWs. On this night, EUR ended up full as usual and there were about 20 folks in the PAC.
Anyway, as you remember, the Bz always had the south edge of the FR EUR map. Well, once upon a time our CO (Sturmer) went afk for 15-20 minutes while flying south. When he came back, he noticed that if you flew south off the map edge, the sector numbers reached 0 and then jumped back up to 20 or so and started counting down again. Sturm didn't know about the other arenas being on the same infinite plane, so assumed the AW world was "round". IOW, if you flew south from Bzland long enough, you'd come into the north part of azland or czland, where the spit factories were. Thus he planned "Operation Magellan" for us to circumnavigate EUR and nuke the az spit factory with Vaders and 100% fuel, then fight our way home.
So we all headed south and eventually reached the coordinates of the az spit factory. Only there was absolutely nothing in sight. No mountains, nothing on the ground, no runways on dar. Just a flat, green, featureless expanse as far as we could see. Some of us bombed the factory coordinates but we all kept going, hoping we'd see something.
After flying a few more sectors, off in the distance about 2 o'clock we saw a couple of small, trapezoid-shaped lakes. We headed in that direction and more small lakes appeared, some of which had mountains in them. And now we saw runways on dar, but they were all in the lakes as well. It was unlike anything we'd seen before.
But there was something familiar about the shapes of the lakes. Then it hit us: they were shaped just like the islands on the PAC map. So we looked at our printed PAC maps and sure enough, our coordinates now said we were over NE czland, which had islands shaped just like the lakes we could see. We had discovered the "Anti-PAC" map, with the colors for land and sea reversed! We even saw CVs sitting there on what appeared to be green grass. It was all very strange.
All this time, we knew there were 20 or so guys in the PAC arena, which is where we eventually decided we'd somehow ended up. But we couldn't see any of them in the air or on dar. Nor could we talk to them on the radio. However, we still had radio contact with folks back in the EUR arena. So we figured we were invisible to the PAC denizens as well. OH HAPPY DAY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO EVIL!! We had nearly a full squad of invisible buffs deep in czland. Muhahahahaha!!! Although fuel was running low by now, we quickly divided up to destroy as many cz fields as possible and then land.
So that's what we did. We never saw any other planes, the ack never shot at us, and we bombed the Hell outta every cz field and CV we had the fuel to reach. Then we landed on runways floating in lakes, not knowing what to expect but hoping it would include whines from the cz that all their bases had suddenly died for no apparent reason :D
Well, when we landed, we were disappointed. Upon ESC-e, AW burped a couple times and then we were fully in the PAC arena. The colors were back to normal and we could see and talk to people there, but had lost contact with the folks in EUR. Our bombs had done no damage, apparently still being considered by the host to be in the EUR despite being dropped on the PAC map. So the whole operation turned out to be totally ineffective and a waste of $5 or so per man. OTOH, it WAS something of a unique adventure for ignorant dweebs, complete with the thrill of exploration and discovery. As such, we still talk about it sometimes :).
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I miss Air Warrior's perpetually cheerful blue blue skies and green green ground which I impacted with some frequency.
Also the horror of the FW190 cannon and the novelty of being able to escape by outclimbing everyone else in the Bf109.
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P.S. I also miss some great buddies in Fencer's old WarHawks, which sometimes got so dominant it wasn't even fun because others would just log off or run when the sky darkened from our cloud.
Fencer got married and left, and the WarHawk remnants carried on in WarBirds. But many of them were MacManiacs, and would not do Windows to play in Aces High.
I begged; I pleaded; I cajoled; but the MacManiacs would not change so they could play Aces High.
So I carried the WarHawks squad name to Aces High, but eventually the squad dwindled until I became the only survivor (also Surf1, who now is in MAW).
And now I prowl the skies alone, but always, through Air Warrior and WarBirds and Aces High ... the Halo!