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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: eddiek on June 14, 2003, 05:52:19 AM
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Okay, guys and gals...........Here is the deal: This week's setup has killshooter turned off. Personally, I like it. It creates the "risk" involved in dogfighting that did occur in RL when multiple cons went after a single enemy plane. By this method, I was hoping to eliminate the "get a kill or assist at all costs" gangbang gameplay, and encourage more 1vs 1 combat. Thus far, while talking in the arena, I have seen more comments in favor of leaving killshooter off. This is YOUR opportunity to voice your opinion about it, and help me decide to leave it turned off, or turn it back on like it is in most setups.
I will be working until 7PM CDT time today, will not return home until 8PM or so. I will first read any comments in favor or against killshooter, then decide to leave it off or turn it back on. Please either comment "Like it" or Don't like it". Obnoxious comments, insulting posts, and/or "flame posts" are not welcome, so please post your reply in a civil, polite manner. Thanks!
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off... CT is too small for griefers to get away with very much.
on a side note: nite time seemed to run the same as daytime - uncompressed... you might want to check that setting...
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i would like it off , it would make the game just alittle bit more daring !!!!!!!!!:D
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off - and please fix the night - numbers are small to start and when it goes dark , ppl leave , me included
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it should never be "nigh time" in the ct.
Killshooter should be on to stop tards from firing over your shoulder. Its not like you get a "more real" experience. You get feks that fire anyway. Atleast with ks on they pay for their stupidity.
Isnt there a ct cm forum? after 2 years or so since the player cms took over just about everyhtings been tried. It might be better to float this kinda stuff through the other cms. There is no sense in reinventing the wheel with every set up.
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Wotan is quite against it. Wotan wants everyone to keep things just the way he left it. Wotan doesn't want anyone outside the CT staff to actually discuss "matters which don't concern them" with CT staffers. Wotan isn't a part of the CT staff anymore but is keeping a watchful and "protective" eye on it. ;)
Eddie ... glad you check with other players on how they feel about something from time to time. Sure, sometimes it may be something that failed in the past and ends up failing again. But sometimes it's something that needed trying again in spite of old preconceptions just because new blood can bring new life to things that would otherwise become stale. Don't let yourself become "insulated" because someone else is worried about change.
and thanks.
Oh .... and ... sure, KS off. It's not like once you try it again that the switch gets broken. Sometimes the wheel can be improved. :D
6 for .. 1 deadset against ..... so far
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Originally posted by Arlo
Wotan is quite against it. Wotan wants everyone to keep things just the way he left it. Wotan doesn't want anyone outside the CT staff to actually discuss "matters which don't concern them" with non-staffers. Wotan isn't a part of the CT staff anymore but is keeping a watchful and "protective" eye on it. ;)
Wow. Just plain Wow.
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Ya think killshooter on/off was never discussed before?
You so fediddleing stupid to have thought of that I know but dont worry I'll here to remind you.
The 6 to 12 guys who regular fly in the ct and post here is hardly a way to get a "pulse" on what folks want.
Killshooter off and night time will keep more folks out of the arena then bring any in.
Theres an experienced ct staff and a forum where they can can discuss it.
Asking a pos like you what you think may make you feel good but beyond that it accomplishes nothing.
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Originally posted by Batz
Ya think killshooter on/off was never discussed before?
You so fediddleing stupid to have thought of that I know but dont worry I'll here to remind you.
The 6 to 12 guys who regular fly in the ct and post here is hardly a way to get a "pulse" on what folks want.
Killshooter off and night time will keep more folks out of the arena then bring any in.
Theres an experienced ct staff and a forum where they can can discuss it.
Asking a pos like you what you think may make you feel good but beyond that it accomplishes nothing.
*yawn* Did that upset you, moron?
My post consisted of:
1: A commentary on your commentary about how Eddie shouldn't check the pulse of the community from time to time and keep all discussion about arena settings and such secret amongst the CT staff. Which is stupid. And your assertion that everything that could be thought of, tried or modified has already been thought of, tried or modified while you were at the helm and you had things working fine, don't fug it up ...is stupid. And your feeling the need to jump into the poll and use it to make issue with Eddie was stupid too (you could have sent him a private message ... but, heh ... that doesn't get you as much attention, does it?). Telling him he should do such in confidence with his fellow CT staffers while you hop up and down making a big ol' stink about it in public isn't any more impressive than your tenure as head CT buttscratcher.
2: My vote of "yes" added to the poll with comment that, hey, if (once again) it doesn't work ... it can always be turned back on.
Nothing in it said anythng about the night setting.
Yep .... wow, indeed.
Ya whiner. :D
Argument's over, son. You lose. Move on. ;)
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My daddy always said...
It's all fun and games .. till somebody gets hurt.
I'm generally in favor of it being off. But it's going to be real unfunny if some dope starts fragging friendlies for grins. Don't think it can't happen.
Are there any consequences for shooting down one of your own side? I mean besides somebody flaming you online? We all know some people here actually thrive on getting a rise from other players.
The only other sim I fly is Il-2. There, you get a score deduction for killing a friendly. But even that doesn't deter it. Just like in AH, not everyone's obsessed with their score. But In AH, you don't have the option of finding another server if a d*ckhead decides to start waxing his own team. CT's the only game in town.
Yeah, you can re-up and shoot down the m-f that teamshot you ... but that further blows the allied-axis thing that attracts me to CT in the first place.
So....
You'd have to put me down as undecided ... but inclined to say leave killshooter on until there's a workable consequence.
Splash1
I now return you to your weekly Batz vs. Arlo pissing match.
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I've allready bagged two greens. I told them I'd shoot, but they didn't believe me, why didn't ya believe me !!
Also the hour long night was a blast, some good dogfights . Too bad I CTD before I can ever land .
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Aside from keeping me from instigating mass fratricide, how does killshooter inhibit my fun ?
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I prefer killshooter off.
I would also prefer to lose the night.
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Theres no issue with eddiek as matter of fact I could careless whos set up it is.
at 1:40 eastern full black nightime 5 people in game. Night time shouldnt be in the ct.
6 eastern now 17 people
killshooter should have been brought up with the other cms like I said. They have more insight then the 12 guys who post here.
The only time killshooter on ever has an impact is when you shoot a friendly.
Then you get damage.
killshooter off can have an impact when a guy who just pops over from the main and he gets killed by or kills a friendly because he deosnt know the settings.
As for being upset, quite the contrary it brings me a smile having the opportunity to tell you you are a pos. Vote or no vote.
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Off
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Vote for off as well
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Originally posted by Batz
:D
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One nay vote.........
Killshooter will stay off for the rest of this setup.
Always room for experiment, IMHO. Edison wasn't successful on his first attempt at the light bulb.
I will look at the night time.........didn't realize it was lasting a full hour.......am shooting for as brief a time period as possible.
Thanks for the feedback, fellas......and gals! !
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Why do people not like the night ? The terrain is as bright as ever as is objects and other planes, the only thing dark is the sky, even the clouds are still illuminated, so I don't get it . I must have my gamma cranked way up or something because I can bomb hangars from 15k and shoot down gray la5's .
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I just checked my gamma settings are 1.00 for desktop, glide, direct3d and video overlay . Brightness is at about 70% .
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IF the informal poll was still open, I would say:
Killshooter off, absolutely
Until we have better modelling of night actions, keep the lights on.
And Batz: Many of the CT regulars have plenty of CMing (and even game design) experience. Perhaps consulting us once in a while is not such a bad idea. We are a resource, not a hindrance. Use us.
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Late, but I wanted to vote for any future poll.
Off! :)
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miska
event planning and event sttings dont have muuch to do with settings in an open arena.
There were many debates over settings since the ct was turned over to the cms. Taking the opinion of 12 people isnt representative of cms and surely isnt representative of those who fly in the ct.
The folks to "ask" would be those with the most experience. The ct cms themselves.
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CT = off
SEA = on
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Id say off as well. How long till AH2? Im tired of flying in Batz's playground. Go ahead dude, call me a piece of sh*t. Speaking of sh*t, yours has got a bit old. If you want to run the CT why are you not still a CM? You cant say its lack of time, you spend hours on the BBS squeaking about anyone or anything "Allied".
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Can we leave killshooter off and shut batz off too?
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Hmm, well I like it off because the tardlings that fly through you while you are shooting get their just reward. Then again, I lost a fighter to some nitwit who decided to try and steal a kill by shooting through me.
Honestly, either on or off suits me fine, I can live with it regardless.
Since it is currently off, leave that way for this set-up.
Widewing
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Whatever,
Saying that your 12 "votes" should decide how an arena should be run is stupid. If ya dont like that so what.
But even so my "vote" in this poll is that it would be better to get the advice of those who have more experience over the course of the life of the ct.
Killshooter on/off makes no difference until it effects you. The casual guy who drifts into the ct to be tk'd or doesnt realize that killshooter is off and tks his team mates then a problem may arrise. With ks on you control what happens to you.
You dont get anything "more real" with it on or off. But you can avoid problems that may run off a casual ct'r. This discussion should have took place on the ct cm forum before it was decided and then that would be it.
Eddiek can make what ever settings he wants. He asked for an opinion and got one. But when you log in and its nightime and the arena is black and there are only 5 guys milkrunning ya might wanna rethink that.
fyi
You can control what you read on the bbs. No one held ya hostage and said "go read what batz wrote".
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What is it with this nighttime crap? What does that have to do with anything?
did you not read eddie's post wotan?
"I will look at the night time.........didn't realize it was lasting a full hour.......am shooting for as brief a time period as possible. "
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No biggie, but I prefer on.
I'f I'm stupid enough to hit a friendly, then I'd rather take the damage over him.
Although just last week I was in a 262 closing fast on an A-20, medium Gee, turning 6:00 approach. Just as I fired at 300, another 262 flew between us, perpendicular to our approach path. I saw a few hits on the A-20, then my windscreen was filled with part of a 262 profile... with hit sprites... then I was in the tower.
eskimo
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Either way is fine with me. But there was some dork in a panzer killing all the friendlies try to take off Sunday night.
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did you not read eddie's post wotan?
Did you not read Suaves 2 posts after that?
But there was some dork in a panzer killing all the friendlies try to take off Sunday night
I saw a "number" guy vulch his own a bit ago. With the ta closed you gotta expect that.
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Originally posted by Dennis
But it's going to be real unfunny if some dope starts fragging friendlies for grins. Don't think it can't happen.
Agreed. I like killshooter to be on. I remember the fraggers.
And FWIW, I hate night.
- oldman
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I like Krispy Kreme chocolate covered-cream filled donuts. with milk, sometime coffee.
how 'bout you guys? :rolleyes:
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Yeah, Yeah I know poll closed but it didn't seem to stop anybody else, so.....
I could really care less on or off but just had an experience with what I'm guessing is a spill over from the TA. This guy is just sitting in a field gun vulching friendlies as they spawn. EVERYONE on both sides is telling this guy to knock it off that this is not the way it works in the CT. His only reply was "well I warned you", "I asked for a fight".
For this reason alone I would say turn it on-but I see the TA is back up, and like I say I could care less-my only point is that it is not only the shoot over your shoulder or move in on your kill dweebs.
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Originally posted by Batz
I saw a "number" guy vulch his own a bit ago. With the ta closed you gotta expect that.
Not if killshooter is on.
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I agree but we lost the "vote" :p
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it ain't gonna kill us for a week
ct is the room where different, never be allowed in ma, setups should be tried
so this friday we go with NO ICONS, right? :)
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Why is it a must that CT must change setup everyweek ? I think it would be more popular if you left good setups like we have up now for a month or so before changing .
It seems I just get into the groove of a setup and it's time to change. I think everyone pretty much knows by now which setups go and which setups blow .
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Personally I like having killshooter off and think it should stay that way...was on recieving end of a couple of vulches from team mates (I mean vulches). They werent aimed at me specifically but were a small group apparently in a vulch fest among themselves I got caught up in. Only thing the anoyed me was there attitude....tough watermelon buddy...may need to monitor it if it continues.
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Originally posted by Batz
I agree but we lost the "vote" :p
Yeah. You did. Eddie asked for player opinions. He got them. If the opinions change, the switch ain't broke. The sky ain't fallin'. Get over it.
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over what?
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Over the need to pee your diaper and carry on about it. :D
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Off!!
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I have a poll for those who voted for killshooter off .
Would you get pissy if somone flying for the same chess peice as you shot you down ?
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If I flew between them and a con, then No...I wouldn't be upset.
If a country man shot me down just because he could, then Hell plowing yes I would be.
But, yes I prefer killshooter off. It makes me strive for a better shot. That's just me.
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Why waste time gettin' pissy when there's a better option?
Can the CT not police itself? Has nobody here ever heard of "kill the traitor until he switches, gets a clue or logs?"
Frag me once .. shame on you ... but, eh .... it happens.
Frag me twice and it's party time. :D
No need to get pissy. Whinin' don't accomplish nuthin'. No complaints. ;)
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hell yes I want it off. That means I don't have to hold my fire anymore. I have no qualms about shooting friendlies down if they are between me and a red icon when KS is off. Just ask the rest of the Mongrels. I kinda check my fire with them. With anyone else, hell, I dunno. I think if I see Eagler in a 109 in front of me, he's gonna get shot regardless if he's green or red. ;)
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But, yes I prefer killshooter off. It makes me strive for a better shot. That's just me.
How does it do that?
The only difference is in who gets the damage. In fact it can be argued that if you know you will die if you shoot and hit a friendly then you will be more likely to hold your fire and fly for an even better shot..
With it off so what if you you frag the guy in front of you. That just means he gets sent to the tower.
Basically its a bs arguement to say it "promotes more real fighting" or will reduce the "furballs".
People respond to a carrot or a stick. In the case of not fraggin friendlies the stick has proven more effective.
No ones concerned with a drunky or Nifty or eagler or any of those guys flying around fraggin their own but theres new guys that pop in and fly. If they get vulched by another n00b who parked an m16 otr or flies around fraggin greens because he dont know better then problems arise. Needless problems when you look at it realistically.
Ks on/off makes no difference to 99% of the folks. Its on the edges that it can impact some ones experience. In the end theres no reason at all for that to happen.
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hey now. I flew with the FDB twice in Rumbles. You should be worried if you see me on your 6 with KS being off. ;)
seriously tho, the frag guys can be dealt with.
The issue of people shooting over your shoulder, or worse, just shooting straight through you is what might be a problem. I dunno. both times I poked my head into the CT this setup it was completely dark night. I can't stand that, so I logged right back out.
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KILLSHOOTER OFF, ITS THE ONLY WAY I WILL BE ABLE TO KILL SHANE :D Shane just thought his SA was good, Now he must greatly improve it, even the green guys could be the enemy.
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Originally posted by Batz
How does it do that?
Even if there is a friendly in front of me I will still shoot for the con. I just wait until I have a the shot (like arouind 200 as appossed over 300) then just waste ammo hoping for the hit.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
KILLSHOOTER OFF, ITS THE ONLY WAY I WILL BE ABLE TO KILL SHANE :D Shane just thought his SA was good, Now he must greatly improve it, even the green guys could be the enemy.
gee, just noticed this... from *2* days ago...
so what i did could be considered justifiable pre-emptive actions... yanno, like Bush and Iraq...
;)
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No ;)