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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on June 14, 2003, 11:59:30 PM
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Somewhere in Iraq:
In a major operation launched earlier today dubbed "Spartan Scorpion", hunrdeds of U.S. Army troops raided the conservative town of Fallujah west of Baghdad, searching for illegal weapons that intelligence indicated were stockpiled for use against U.S. forces.
The raids, involving more than 1,300 soldiers, began just three hours after a deadline passed for Iraqis to turn in their weapons. One of three task forces involved in the operation reported only a single arrest... of a man driving during curfew hours bearing a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
The raid against Fallujah followed an extensive action last week, dubbed "Operation Peninsula Strike". Soldiers rousted residents from their beds and detained about 400 people (60 of whom still remain in custody).
The troops, wearing night vision devices under a bright full moon, found no weapons.*
*Info boosted from the CNN website; lovingly spliced, diced, whipped and pureed by yours truly for maximum creamy kneejerk ire inducing goodness.
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If I were some top official, I would gladly place some weapons of mass destruction to make the American plublic opinion satisfied.
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Yes of course they put on a show for CNN, in fact the whole first gulf war was orchestrated by Ted Turner to make CNN the big name it is today... :rolleyes:
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*Info boosted from the CNN website; lovingly spliced, diced, whipped and pureed by yours truly for maximum creamy kneejerk ire inducing goodness.
I think the word that describes this is "chumming".
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Heres a thought...
if Iraq has been supposedly been given it's freedom...does that mean that Iraqis can now argue to keep their rifles?
Especially considering some of the reasons people claim on this BBS alone for the right to have firearms ie. crime, the right to defend yourself, and home are now especially prevelant in Iraq.
Tronsky
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According to Lazs "More guns = Less Crime"...So why not let the Iraqi's keep their assault rifles?
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Huh? This isn't Europe. Everyone can still keep aK-47s and smaller.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Heres a thought...
if Iraq has been supposedly been given it's freedom...does that mean that Iraqis can now argue to keep their rifles?
Especially considering some of the reasons people claim on this BBS alone for the right to have firearms ie. crime, the right to defend yourself, and home are now especially prevelant in Iraq.
Tronsky
Hehe.
Saddam was such an evil opressor and dictator, that he was brave enough to give firearms to his opressed citizens, crying under his evil rule and willing so much to overthrow him.
OTOH, liberators from the Land of Free are shot at from every corner, and, to ensure cilvil liberties and freedom in new, better Democratic Iraq attempt to prohibit the posession of firearms.
Perfect logic.
Indeed, "Lie is truth".
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While it is tempting to try to make the ironic leap, it remains untrue.
I could, and would be stretching the truth even less, say that Iraqis under military occupation are currrently more free than Europe.
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Originally posted by Fatty
While it is tempting to try to make the ironic leap, it remains untrue.
I could, and would be stretching the truth even less, say that Iraqis under military occupation are currrently more free than Europe.
Hmm.
Can you tell me the difference between Russian police operation against terrorist gangs in Chechnya and the same things done by US "liberators" in Iraq in search of some imaginary WMD?...
Europeans keep whining about Chechnya and demand "human rights" for terrorists, while noone cares about the same things performed by occupants in a former souverign state.
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That's between you and them, you're not going to get me to argue Europeans are level headed.
I've never commented on Russian activites except to say I was glad they killed the terrorists at the theatre.
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Originally posted by Nash
Somewhere in Iraq:
In a major operation launched earlier today dubbed "Spartan Scorpion", hunrdeds of U.S. Army troops raided the conservative town of Fallujah west of Baghdad, searching for illegal weapons that intelligence indicated were stockpiled for use against U.S. forces.
The raids, involving more than 1,300 soldiers, began just three hours after a deadline passed for Iraqis to turn in their weapons. One of three task forces involved in the operation reported only a single arrest... of a man driving during curfew hours bearing a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
The raid against Fallujah followed an extensive action last week, dubbed "Operation Peninsula Strike". Soldiers rousted residents from their beds and detained about 400 people (60 of whom still remain in custody).
The troops, wearing night vision devices under a bright full moon, found no weapons.*
*Info boosted from the CNN website; lovingly spliced, diced, whipped and pureed by yours truly for maximum creamy kneejerk ire inducing goodness.
Whiner
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Boroda,
Well.. we could just ask how many Cheznyans are welcoming russians as liberators versus iraq & coalition forces.
A handful versus masses?
Sure theres fair amount of people in Iraq with differing opinions, however I'd figure it is at far lesser degree than in Cheznya.
Also could put it this way:
If Finland would been occupied by the soviet union and annexed as part of soviet union, but then the allied forces would've continued the war just like Patton wanted - against the soviet union.
So who do you figure would been more welcomed?
Both sides would of had a goal to liberate Finland; one side likes to liberate the working class and the other side wants to liberate the country.
Which side do you think would have to clear up more "terrorists" and have more human right organizations critisizing it?
Then we can talk about the future:
Soviet Union would install its own puppet goverment and things could be pretty much like under dictatorship.
The allies probably would leave some army bases behind, but at least the people would have their own goverment of their choise.
There would be constant 'terrorist' attacks against the Soviet Union administration, while only few if any would be 'terrorizing' the allies.
So I'd figure the cheznyans would be welcoming US forces much more freely than russian forces.
Surely not with a red carpet, but neither with a red blood path around every corner.
How many US states are trying to become independent of the US goverment?
How many states of Soviet Union tried to become independent of the SU goverment?
Oh yeah.. we know answer for the latter.
Speaks volume?
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lol Rude, how predictable can you possibly be? :)
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Btw Rude., you've typed a fair amount here and there at this UBB... but the records would indicate, if one were inclined to do the research, that the last time you actually said anything probably occured sometime during 2001.
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Fishu, 99% of Chechens will welcome ANY force to stop "the rule of a gun" there. They are tired enough of criminal "republic" that was formed there since 1991.
On a referendum 96% of them voted for their new constitution. Russian laws are much better for them then Sharia and bonehead Vahhabism (Saudi version of Islam), brought there by their "freedom fighters".
As for the US force - I doubt they will welcome them. Remember that story about "freedom fighters" celebrating 09-11 in their secret camp in the mountains? They were so happy that they started shooting into the air at night, singing and dancing. Russian howitzers made several salvos at the place where muzzle flazhes and tracers came from, killing several dozens of "rebels"...
BTW, I have told many times that IMHO thinking that USSR was an "evil empire" is very untrue.
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Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, I have told many times that IMHO thinking that USSR was an "evil empire" is very untrue.
Tell that to the Finnish working class starting from 1939
Only the evil kind would've wanted to liberate them from something that didn't exist.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Tell that to the Finnish working class starting from 1939
Only the evil kind would've wanted to liberate them from something that didn't exist.
Fishu, again: if Stalin wanted to occupy Finland - there was nothing that Finns could do about it.
I discussed it with you many times, and you know my opinion.
And please don't mix propaganda rhethorics with real intentions and politics.
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Well, his original plan was bit different, now wasn't it?
Kind of funny way to make right for the initial attack in first place by saying "if Stalin wanted to occupy Finland - there was nothing that Finns could do about it".
They attacked, with the propaganda saying 'to liberate finnish working class', so it is irrelevant what was done 5 years afterwards.
This nice big empire with the sunny father, had it not been evil, wouldn't have attacked Finland in first place.
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if the cost can be made high enough the fact that you could have occupied was probable. if us jumped on you you couldent have held. germans europe and americans would have crushed ya. stalin made the correct move. somtimes the bear just can't beat the coon. texas came about in a similar fashion. when you realize you will have to kill each man woman and child in a country to hold it what have you won. they all have relatives.
p.s. we had nukes. you hadent stolen them yet.
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OBL, SH, or WMD...he can't find them.
But I'll bet he manages to trot them out just in time for the 04 elections.
Bush knew there were no WMD before he got 170 Americans killed (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030613/pl_afp/iraq_us_weapons_030613140735)
CIA Says It Cabled Key Data to White House (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52813-2003Jun12.html)
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Oh weazel how can you cite WMD reports from the same army unit that faked the Jessica Lynch resuce.... Trust me on this, its a part of W's master plan to take over the universe....
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Two replies from you so far, and neither make any sense at all... :p
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh weazel how can you cite WMD reports from the same army unit that faked the Jessica Lynch resuce.... Trust me on this, its a part of W's master plan to take over the universe....
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Ok so I see you didnt even read the articles you linked to... :p
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I find it hilarious that in your defense of Spurious George your reduced to sarcasm and attempting to put words in my mouth.
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Boroda,
I didn't know you were there witnessing events in person.
gee thanks for the propoganda
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Originally posted by Nash
Btw Rude., you've typed a fair amount here and there at this UBB... but the records would indicate, if one were inclined to do the research, that the last time you actually said anything probably occured sometime during 2001.
My life experience has taught me that those who know very little of what they speak of, feel the need to tell everyone about it often.
Sorry, I'm content with just reading knowing that I'm right and most of you are kidding yourselves:)
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Originally posted by Fatty
Huh? This isn't Europe. Everyone can still keep aK-47s and smaller.
yup yup its not europe , coz we can keep 2x ak`s (eastern europe) :D
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Before this gets started again:
You'll notice the guy they arrested for having an AK was out after curfew. There is a policy in Baghdad and the rest of the country that the people can keep one weapon (I would assume most have AK's) in their house. They can't take them out on the street however.
So, even in an occupied country, the people have the right to be able to protect themselves.
So ttthhbbbttt :p
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Yup this is true.
I just thought it was a bit funny that even for personal weapons, despite all these raids and searches they haven't been able to turn up anything wrong there either. There's gotta be more than a few people pulling their hair out over there. :)
The only thing missing is seeing an advertisement for a Geraldo Riverra prime-time television special regarding the discovery of a hidden vault....
...wasn't really intended to make a serious statement or anything.
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Originally posted by Nash
The only thing missing is seeing an advertisement for a Geraldo Riverra prime-time television special regarding the discovery of a hidden vault....
A while ago, the thread "Al Capone's Vault" was locked....Be carefull where you assert.