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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Engine on June 16, 2003, 10:47:15 AM
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I'm a bit confused here. According to Soda's page (and from the feel of my first few flights in one), in comparison with the other hogs it's:
1) slightly faster
2) has far more range
3) is the lightest and most maneuverable
4) carries the same armament as the F4U-4 and -D
So why isn't it considered even better than the D hog, and subsequently flown far more?
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SSShhhhhhhhhhhhhh :) other than that, i dunno.
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It is faster but the acceleration is much worse than the other F4Us. It climbs like a fully loaded Lancaster. It can't carry the same armament, it only carries up to a 1k bomb (no rockets).
It is a nice plane to fly when you can keep the speed up, but the acceleration and climb rate are a big turn off for most folks.
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Originally posted by Engine
I'm a bit confused here. According to Soda's page (and from the feel of my first few flights in one), in comparison with the other hogs it's:
1) slightly faster
2) has far more range
3) is the lightest and most maneuverable
4) carries the same armament as the F4U-4 and -D
So why isn't it considered even better than the D hog, and subsequently flown far more?
climbs slower, lower max alti think, less armament(same guns n ammo) but on 1 500 or 1 1k bomb, no rockets.
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View is not as nice.
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F4U-1 accelerates a little worse (at all altitudes) and climbs slightly worse. Has slightly less ammo and can not carry anywhere near the combo of the C of D models (restricted to a single underfuselage station vs twin racks + rockets.
-Soda
Aces High Trainer Corps
The Assassins.
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Shut the H**l up the -1 is a secret. Just fly it and collect the perks. Eny value is not related so much on plane performance as it is usage.
If people start flying it the eny value will change.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH loose lips sink ships!!
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Because its an energy fighter and climbs so poorly. Plus it has a bad spin and will yaw like crazy in low speed turns.
I love the F4U-1. Its pretty fast, rolls well, and has 40eny. Oh yeah.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Its pretty, fast, rolls well, and has 40eny. Oh yeah.
I agree. :D
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Gotcha. Thanks for the answers all. I still don't get why it doesn't get the attention it seems to warrant, but I'll stop wondering and enjoy it. :)
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I would take the F4U-1 in AH over the F4U-4 under 20K.
It turns and handles better than the others down to the stall which is worse than the rest.
Speed is excellent.
Climb is poor.
But never take more than 50% fuel and 25% if not going to far.
And here is a trick if you want to out turn NIK2's and win. Shoot off half your ammo on take off. Take the inside guns down to 800 rounds and the out side down to 400 rounds.
Your climb and turn will cause some people to think your cheating.
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But shucks .... then my hit percentage would suck even more. ;)
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Yeah Arlo you ain't kidding.
I save that trick for the CT or the DA.
I was able to out duel a 109G10 in the DA with a harddeck of 15K. Literaly, The ground level was 15K.
Even with the incredible climb advantage of the G10 I was able to use zoom and turn with the low ammo load to overcome the differance and win without to much difficulty.
The G10 pilot was a pretty good stick and he had no idea I was "cheating" the loadout.
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Geez Engine don't tell 'em all our secrets. This little ride is a sneaky bastage if the baddies aren't prepared. You can drop in on enemy fighters and actually have a fighting chance. For pure A2A in the Corsairs this is the one I take. Even though I love the loadout options on the -1D I can't stand trying to jump off the carrier with its piss poor deck performance. But that is another story that F4UDOA has been trying to get hammered out for many, many moons now.
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AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! :D
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Yup. The Hog-1 is the plane of choice under 23k for me, anything above and thats F4U-4 Country. That hog-1 is a dream to fly when on the edge but a gull-winged coffin elsewhere. Regardless of ammo loadout, I've managed to outturn most, including the niki, over 300 IAS
I only take the Delta for pure jabo these days. I won't even bother with the Charile.
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Redtail,
I can't fly the C-hog to save my life. I keep thinking about the HO and forget ACM. I would do better if I could turn those 4 20mils around backwards.
For some reason the F4U-1 seems to be more stable in yaw and durable especially in the wings.
As far as ammo load goes half of the F4U ammo is 1200 rounds which is as much as a full load on a P-51B. That is more than enough for me depending on what the nme situation is like.
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Rgr that, F4UDOA,
We really don't need that uch ammo in the hog, loadout options would be nice...basically, if I get winchester in a hog, I've been in the fight too long, anyway, and I'll either be close to fumes, or too low on the deck to make it home safely.
In the hog-4 I always up with 2 externals, and full internal fuel...I'll run externals dry even while fighting, then think about heading home when I get to 75% internal...nothing worse then deadsticking a perk hog home..with everyone chasing you :(
OAN...I am grounded till I get home internet again, I won't be flying for a while, it seems :(
Gainsie
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My preferred loadout in the -1 is to have full internal fuel and the drop tank as well. I don't worry about firing off ammo as I need all I can get. Also I like to hunt those elusive IJ bombers that people up to make torpedo runs with as well as the daring overland bomb drop. It makes for some great fun flying into a group of IJ bombers with a couple of VF-17 wingmates hanging around watching for Nikis and A6's
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Originally posted by F4UDOA
I would take the F4U-1 in AH over the F4U-4 under 20K.
It turns and handles better than the others down to the stall which is worse than the rest.
Speed is excellent.
Climb is poor.
But never take more than 50% fuel and 25% if not going to far.
And here is a trick if you want to out turn NIK2's and win. Shoot off half your ammo on take off. Take the inside guns down to 800 rounds and the out side down to 400 rounds.
Your climb and turn will cause some people to think your cheating.
I prefer the -4 to any other hog, at any altitude. Acceleration is tremendous and combined with the climb rate, it means that the F4U-1 has to pray that the -4 doen't take the fight vertical.
I use the F4U-4 very effectively for combating the La-7. I've never lost to one and killed some pretty good Lavochkin sticks who figured they had a decent chance from the get-go. The secret? Use that roll rate and awesome rudder to hit 'em from angles they thought were impossible.
I suspect that due to the high perk cost, most players don't get enough time in the -4 to learn how best use its capabilities.
As for the CHog, it's the hardest to fly, but the easiest to kill with. Just don't tool around on the deck with it, but grab 10-15k, which gives you some options. If bounced, simply turn into the attacker and give a face full of Hispanos.
My regards,
Widewing
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Heya Widewing,
Luv to see ya in the DA for a little -1 vrs -4 action.
I am very dissapointed in the -4 FM which is one reason I don't use it often.
I find it has some stabilty issues at low speed that make it more difficult to fly than the -1 particularly in scissoring fights.
Also in AH the additional weight has too much affect on handling. The handling seems to be much heavier in the -1 even with the extra power.
Even at high alt (15 to 20K) I can horse the F4U-1 around better than I can the -4. Don't know why but it just feels lighter even at the same loaded weight.
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I've only fought two La-7's in the Hog-4, lost both times....can't seem to figure it out.
The hog-4 seems lighter to me all the way around. I just prefer to keep a higher harddeck in the hog-4 due to perk tag issues. Otherwise, it would be my full time ride, perk cost or not.
I agree that the FM for all Corsairs is somewhat hosed, and the hog-4 is the only one that actually performs like the Corsair did in RL. Oh well.
Gainsie
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Originally posted by Frost
It is faster but the acceleration is much worse than the other F4Us. It climbs like a fully loaded Lancaster. mb (no rockets).
use 1 or 2 notches of flaps in the F4U-1 for better climb rate.
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Negative 2Hawks. No way.
You can set climb speed lower, say to 140MPH for a small increase but definitely no flap.
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Gotta go with DOA on this. I've mistakenly left a notch of flaps down on takeoff and wondered why the hell my plane's climbing so slow on wep .. only to glance over ... doh! Flaps up and back to my 2.5 roc.
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For some reason I just die in the -1. I have more 1-D sorties than all the other planes combined by a long shot. My plane of choice.
Started flyin the C-hog a tour back and when I finally got over the feeling that it was "special" and just flew it as a 1-D I found I love the damn thing. Don't use perks for anything anyway and the big fuggin guns make up for my chitty gunnery.
Great ride.
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Originally posted by F4UDOA
Negative 2Hawks. No way.
You can set climb speed lower, say to 140MPH for a small increase but definitely no flap.
Rgr that, but in the warbirds collection, the hog-1 (it might be the -1a) reports the climb default is 135MPH.
And I'd love to know how the hog climbs at 2.5...are you carrying externals?
Gainsie