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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Manedew on June 17, 2003, 05:11:11 AM
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So I'm in for 10$ extra this month for no pizza- who's with me :D
I'd quit AH if Pizza was the only map .. (realized this last week)
Please get rid of this stupid colorless map (were at 1600x1200 max res with 20" Max screen {for most}) You can't see crap on Pizza.
-canyons sux (10K!)
-alt suxs
-doesn't resemble anything on earth (and you call this a sim?) FM isn't everything terrian is a huge part of a "sim"....
.... well I could go on but this isn't the first anti-pizza post .... so.....
all I'm asking is, are you in for 10$ to kill pizza once and for all ?....
Everyone loves money, we can 'bribe' HTC :D
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I hope the pizza map is kept. I understand people's frustration with it, but I think some people have the wrong approach to it. Some log on with a preconceived notion of what they want to do. When they can't find it, they get frustrated or bored. Others look at the map to see what can be done and then do it.
Yesterday when pizza was up in error, I took a P47 from a 12K airfield, and went hunting. Landed 4 kills. No big deal, but I would probably have struggled to find this type of fight on another map in a P47. I was able to get to 20K in a reasonably short space of time - and that's where most of the fight took place. Later on, when the children's map was on, I couldn't get much higher than 8K before being spotted by cons...
Alt sucks? Not to the P47. It's where it excels, partly because other planes suck at that altitude, but largely because of its speed and "zoominess" because of that paddled prop.
-doesn't resemble anything on earth ? I don't agree. Just last week I saw the WW2 film Tobruk, set in Africa. I remember thinking how much the terrains resembled those of the pizza map. I've also flown over Iran, and much of that country is mountainous desert.
-canyons sux (10K!) Well maybe you have a point there. Also the terrains are hard on the eyes, and make it difficult to see cons - one or two missed shots in my film - LOL.
People say they can't find fights on Pizza. I don't agree with that either. I found that four kill fight during Euro hours - only 61 people were logged on when I joined. OK, you're not going to see a fragfest where someone is getting shot up every 2 seconds - is that what you want? Because that, in your own words, doesn't resemble anything on earth.
Balance, my boy, Balance! ;)
P47 film on Pizza (http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/p47d25pizza4k.zip) (1.65MB .ZIP file, length 14 mins)
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Ya know he's got a point there.......the hi alt fields on pizza are a great place to hunt dweeb-lame-arse-LA7-plebs who's little engines will be wheezing like a 40 a day smoker at 15k+
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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beetle.. we are here to have a good time. If we can't find the kind of fights we like then there is no point in playing. I think that was the whole point.
If pizza went away it wouldn't bother me.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle.. we are here to have a good time. If we can't find the kind of fights we like then there is no point in playing. I think that was the whole point.
If pizza went away it wouldn't bother me.
lazs
Your last sentence says it all, especially the last word of that sentence. Is it OK for me to have the kind of sorties that I would like? Because I don't find 'em on the children's maps. We're either vulching or being vulched. Folks want as many kills in three hours as some aces like Gabreski got in two wars spanning 10 years - which for me is too far removed from reality.
I know it's a game, but some people want more gaminess than I care for. Currently, we have about four children's maps, plus Pizza and Trinity. And with the new rotation schedule (when it's working - lol skuzzy! ;) ) we get each map for one week. Seems that's not good enough for some whiners, who want EVERYTHING their own way ALL THE TIME, and don't give a toejam about anyone who wants something different.
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We don't want everything everytime, we just want Pizza to go away. forever.
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LOL Saw! When I played that film back, I saw your comment in the text buffer, in which you blamed me for the premature reintroduction of the Pizza - lol.
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Pizza p\/\/n3z j00!
I love Pizza Map, it affords me a week of R&R with all those petite Viet-cong broads.
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Can't do much about Pizza but we've been thinking of doing another map. One with fewer fields and an even drier desert. We could probably be persuaded to postpone our plans for the right amount. I'll post my paypal email address for the "not another pizza" bribe fund. ;)
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Down with Pizza! Permenant Trinity! Yeah! whooooooooooo!
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Any map is fine but I don't think ANY map should run more than 3 days. This 7 day long same-o same-o could be adjusted down to 3 days without hurting anyones feelings, I'm guessing.
3 Day would allow ~ 10 different maps per month. Hmmmmm... 2 day rotations? ;)
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I'd rather not see Pizza retired unless there was something to replace it.
Remember how much we complained to get a new map....any map?
I enjoy pizza, even though it is very bomber un-friendly. Then again, I'm easily entertained.
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Slightly OT: Gotta
the AK's for taking all this in stride. ;)
If you changed the ground color to frikken blue I'd be happy - I cant see my tracers against the yellow sand.
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I always wanted the bigger maps because i thought we could then have a far less symetrical landscape. Unfortunately it actually seems to have got worse with trinity and pizza being among the least natural looking maps.
Baltic is probably the nearest map to an actual coastline and I think its one of the best maps but for its limited size. Once you get 300 or more in it it just gets clogged up with furballs.I enjoy it for a while but eventually all fighting becomes a constant slog which i soon tire of.
I think we could have a very good large scale map with a realistic layout of land and still have a equally matched 3 countries. They dont all have to have exactly the same shaped start position just similar strength in factories and bases. Lets see some more imaginative layouts for the bigger maps and then maybe we will get the sort of maps we actually wanted.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Ya know he's got a point there.......the hi alt fields on pizza are a great place to hunt dweeb-lame-arse-LA7-plebs who's little engines will be wheezing like a 40 a day smoker at 15k+
Yeah, so we get more p51 and dora dweebs in return, and I better fight 5 la7s, than 1 p51, because la7s at least fight sometimes.
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Originally posted by Toad
Any map is fine but I don't think ANY map should run more than 3 days. This 7 day long same-o same-o could be adjusted down to 3 days without hurting anyones feelings, I'm guessing.
3 Day would allow ~ 10 different maps per month. Hmmmmm... 2 day rotations? ;)
cc, shorter rotations could be nice. At least 2th per week, monday and wednesday may be?
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Heres a plan...we all take turns delivering 2 large pizza's every day to HTC for lunch. After a few weeks, THEY'LL be sick of pizza...pay backs are a bittcch! :)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Can't do much about Pizza but we've been thinking of doing another map. One with fewer fields and an even drier desert. We could probably be persuaded to postpone our plans for the right amount. I'll post my paypal email address for the "not another pizza" bribe fund. ;)
Heh, you will be rich :)
Actually I know several people who like pizza a lot, but it is generally probably one of the most unliked map around. I heard Trinity were changed, can't you update Pizza as well? Change alts, turn some vh fields into airfields, and change textures to less eye unfriendly, and I bet many people will love it.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Heres a plan...we all take turns delivering 2 large pizza's every day to HTC for lunch. After a few weeks, THEY'LL be sick of pizza...pay backs are a bittcch! :)
That may work :) I heard some guy sent them pizza to office, but we really need to coordinate those efforts :)
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another thing i hate about the damn ZAA map is all the bummpy terrain makes it hard to drive GV's lol
I like rips ideas but the pizza got to be 3 day old cold nasty pizza
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Originally posted by Fariz
I heard Trinity were changed, can't you update Pizza as well? Change alts, turn some vh fields into airfields, and change textures to less eye unfriendly, and I bet many people will love it.
They've updated pizza at least once already.... The only good fights for me are over water on pizza.... even with the terrian update you still can't see crap ... there might have been pleanty of deserts of similar color in WWII, where air combat took place .. but nevertheless the pilots wern't looking at 1600X1200 resolution 20" boxes.
I spend pleanty of time at 20K in jug on all maps ....
beet1e
Yesterday when pizza was up in error, I took a P47 from a 12K airfield, and went hunting. Landed 4 kills. No big deal, but I would probably have struggled to find this type of fight on another map in a P47. I was able to get to 20K in a reasonably short space of time - and that's where most of the fight took place. Later on, when the children's map was on, I couldn't get much higher than 8K before being spotted by cons...
sounds like your upping and climbing towards nme rather than grabing away. if you climb towards enemys of course they are going to spot you ... if you up from a field being attacked don't exepect freedom to grab, take off from the field behind that one if you want that much alt.
You also speak of realism beet1e.... do you really find 12K fields to take of from realistic? cause you know there was so much air combat in the Himlayas, and it was completely a desert 50 years ago :rolleyes:
The map doesn't resemble planet earth.... trinity does this too, to an extent, though not nearly as bad (the 20k mountains everywhere- what 13 -14k isn't enf?!?! rockies are a big mountain chain (bigger than the alps) it's higest peaks are around 14k).
10K canyons!!! with straight cliffs! .... this is not realistic and has the ability to foil SA beyond what a realistic canyon could do. 10k con can't be seen till they are right above you diveing... total BS in any realistic canyon this alt advantage would be greatly reduced along with the huge amount of LOS lost to this horrible idea ...
btw no offence to AK's I think they understand that.
I thank them for thier hard work on pizza ... but I hate it
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Originally posted by Fariz
Change alts, turn some vh fields into airfields, and change textures to less eye unfriendly, and I bet many people will love it.
Agree, that and add a few more ports for more CV battles.
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Originally posted by Manedew
but nevertheless the pilots wern't looking at 1600X1200 resolution 20" boxes.
must be nice :rolleyes: max 1024x768 here with 17" (15.5 viewable) and i got the best video specs for my squad i believe.
what you have is definately the exception in AH not the norm.
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there is alot of different things to do on pizza(onions peppers chees TATERTOTS) only grip i have is i cant play longer than a hr before getting a headache:( im sure we all have grips on every map dont we??
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wasn't sayign I played at 20" with 1600x1200 ... just that, it's about the maxium configuration you could get (excludeing projectors)
actually useing 20" 19 somethign veiwable -but at 1600x1200 refresh is too low and gives headache.
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I dont play on the Pizza map.
For what its worth, I had thought that kind of symetical map would be great. But it didnt work and it is painful to play on. alot was learned that was applied to the Trinity map which is the only map we have that can sustain a week of play. Dont like pizza and dont like being banished there for a week.
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I'll throw in $50 if HTC will torture and then kill the Pizzacrap map.
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Manedew - well you made some good points in your reply to me. I have always believed that the Pizza is a ridiculous map. This is what I said about it on Sept 13,2002 in this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64229) started by Urchin:
It has some good points - furballing and gangbanging are reduced, just as dbeav points out. It's different but, as I said the first day I saw it, it is a quite ridiculous map, and I doubt whether we'll be using it three months hence of when I first said it. It's not really a map on which the war can be won, because there will be several little wars going on all around. For example, the vehicle fields on the outer crust provide for some GV battles, but those fields are of no consequence to the main airfields - unless you planned to launch an LVT and sail across to the mainland for a field capture, assuming you had a few hours to spare. I also note that the three central islands have a vehicle base, but no airfield, and therefore these vehicle fields are of no strategic importance, and it's a bit of a waste of time going after them.
I also said somewhere else that it was a waste of time to have all those fields, as combat would always be at the frontiers. I was wrong about how long it would last - nine months since I said that and we're still playing it. But clearly, the map makes no attempt to model any particular geographical region in any part of the world, although Bryce Canyon in Utah springs to mind. 12K airfields? The highest in North America is at Leadville,CO - elev. 9927.
But do any of the other maps model reality? The small maps? Hardly... where in the world were airfields located 5 or 10 minutes apart? Or a three sided war, with Spitfires killing Spitfires and 190s killing 190s? Steamrollering hordes? Like any map, Pizza has been engineered to provide gameplay. No it's not realistic by any means, but the gameplay in some cases is "less unrealistic" than that to be found on the children's maps.