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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Estes on June 18, 2003, 03:03:58 AM
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This may be a dumb question but I have no idea
{edit} cropped because of wallpaper content :D
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your fine at 44 C.
Especially as long as it is not consistantly over 50.
Modern ADM processors run HOT.
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Assuming stock rig w/original HS non o/c @ idle (not under load) your cpu temp is perhaps a tad above optimal. Ideal is somewhere in the 37C - 54C range (recommended cpu temp under decent load is around 43- 45C I think). Is your system stable? What are your temps under load?
You can (probably) drop your cpu temps by 5C to 8C (or better) by adding a better HSF and decent thermal compound (Arctic Silver Ceramique is getting great reviews. I will be trying it out tonight to mount a Zalman 7000Cu to a P4 2.4C). It is a little hard to say how much you can lower your cpu temp, as there are more than a couple of variables involved.
Case temps can be knocked down with fans. How many do you have in your case? Slap a vantec Tornado in that puppy.:) The 80x80x25mm Tornado pushes about 84 CFM @ 5700 rpm but at a cost- it runs @ around 50+ dBa. Not exactly hair dryer loud, but…ok, you might not need a vantec, but definitely check out your case airflow. Fans that push in the 30-40CFM range @ low dBa are cheap.
The location of your system can make a difference in case temps. Is it in a desk enclosure? Exposed to sunlight? On a desk or on the floor? You are in N Texas and we are getting into the hot time of the year. I am assembling a new system in the basement and that is where it is going to stay this summer.
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Got an XP2500+ barton running at 52-53° constantly. No problems here....
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If my 1800xp goes over 50 I get lockups. I have a coolermaster 210 alloy case, sk6 HSF and was having constant lockups till I installed an120mm fan pushing air onto the mobo. It already had 2 exhaust fans. Now it runs sub 40oc and no probs. BUT I am a bit disillusioned as Overclockers UK built this rig and I never thought a processor with this fancy case and fancy HSF would have heat problems at stock speeds! Overclocking is out of the question needless to say! I think aluminium cases are the biggest lot of overhype. They LOOK great, but this "giant heatsink" bull**** is just that!
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Am I the only one that noticed your system temp is higher than your CPU? There is something wrong in your temp readings. 44 or 46 may be a little high for an Intel depending on your room and case temps. AMD users are very happy with those temps.
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I'm running CPU temps of 55-60C right now. Initially I was running nearly 65c but determined by talking with some of you guys that that was too hot so I bought a volcane 7 cpu fan and sync which helped. 55-60 still seems warm as compared to some of the temps I see on here. I used the quick silver paste and have the fan on max rpm (loud) . I have 3 case fans, one pullin in the front, two pushing out the back. So, is this temp normal or do I need to explore other cooling options? And, I have downloaded Motherboard Monitor but can't identify the sensor I want it to use to monitor CPU temps .........so I use the PC Health in BIOS. Does anyone know a user freindly monitor software?
silly question> I am sure I was only supposed to put the paste on the metal surface of the cpu...right?
AMD Athlon 2800+
MSI K7N2G Board
1.5 GHz DDR
128 Nvidia 8x vid
Cable
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Excaliber, that is still a bit warm especially if you are reading it in the BIOS when puter first turned on. It prolly won't hurt anything as long as it is running stable and doesn't get much over 60. You prolly should check your heatsink mounting and reapply a thin layer of Artic Silver. You didn't post your room or case temp as that gives a better picture of what's happening.
You have an MSI board so you could DL PC Alert:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/software/swr/spt_swr_list.php
It still reads from the same probe as the BIOS which may not be accurate. It is usually more accurate with AMD to use an after market temp monitor if you are concerned.
Check these Artic Silver Instuctions:
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
DJ229 - AIR MAFIA
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look at all that spyware.. AOL, Gamespy... tsk tsk.
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Gee, my games would lock at those temps. Must be sub 50. Maybe I have a "delicate" processor. Certainly gives NO problems under 50oC.
My work machine Celeron 800 runs at 17oC. Here's where we see Intel's strength. No?
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I get the heebeegeebee's when my P4 breaks 37C. It can take more heat, but I figure the surrounding components would be the ones to die first, before the CPU.
I like em cool.
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
My work machine Celeron 800 runs at 17oC. Here's where we see Intel's strength. No?
LOL you must have to wear long underwear and a parka at work if your office is cold enough to get that CPU temp with air cooling.
DJ229 - AIR MAFIA
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WOW! PC Alert is exactly what I had in mind. Very direct to the point layout. Wish I knew how to take a screen shot to post here. Anyway, PC Alert does show precisely the same temps as my BIOS (currently 55c under light to no load).
3 case fans....1 tornado cpu fan....77 degree ambient temp....arctic silver properly applied to cpu/sync....computer mounted 3" above floor on hardwood......Anyone have cooling tricks to mention? Are AMD typically hot running like this or is this unusual?
I really appreciate all the great suggestions so far. BTW
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With your HS/fan and 77F room temp, that is still a pretty high reading even for AMD. I have a $20 Comp usa temp monitor in a 5.25 bay with a flat probe taped next to the CPU core. It reads about 3C cooler than PC Alert. Most AMD boards have inaccurate temp readings, but then it looks like Fogolds Intel temp monitor reads ridiculously low.
As far as cooling tips, you can reroute ribbons/cables and switch ribbons to round cables or tie them for better airflow. You can also cut away restrictions in the case where fans are mounted.
OR you can get rid of most of that noise and switch to water cooling.
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Excuse the poor quality (webcam) I think my wife ran off with my digi cam :D Any suggestions?
(http://www.tensec240.com/images/case1.jpg)
(http://www.tensec240.com/images/case2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Estes
Excuse the poor quality (webcam) I think my wife ran off with my digi cam :D Any suggestions?
Looks to me like you have a provision for an exhaust fan on the rear of the case. For bout $10 you could put a nice quiet fan there.
DJ229 - AIR MAFIA
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Yes, an exhaust fan would do the trick. That is why you CPU is running so hot. Need to get the air flow going past the CPU.
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lol well i was starting to get lock ups on my system am i started montiering the temps, my system (well CPU) was ususally right around 50-55 max load 58 (w/asus temp checker higher with Sandra soft)
this is all after i did my side fan case mod! so i hit the local PC shop and was talking to the kid he pulls the heat sync and fan out of a discount parts bin plugs is in and i was amazed the little suck could blow a house done granted it was load but hey if it works! kid charges me 10 bucks for the whole thing
i pop the fan on my exsisting Heat sink thing droped my temps by 10 degrees it now runs at 39 degrees cold boot hotest it get is 46/48 degrees.
I know i need to get a fan for the back to move air thru the case buit i didnt know what size it was exactly becuse it an older case so the back fans ar smaller like 50 mm or 45mm. im gonna pick em up today!
my 2 cents
box :D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yes, an exhaust fan would do the trick. That is why you CPU is running so hot. Need to get the air flow going past the CPU.
So I don't mind the noise should I buy that tornado fan?
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I don't think you need anything really special there. A normal fan should do the trick just fine.
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I'd suggest that instead of an additional exhaust fan, you also try mounting the fan as an additional entry fan to get additional airflow over the CPU.
My systems typically read as 5-10 degrees warmer than yours but I'm not sure if the readings are accurate.
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No no no,..do not make it an intake. That can cause more problems with other devices. Exhaust is best for that point in the case.
It is a heat rises thing. Turn the fan around and suddenly rising heat gets swished back to the bottom,..reluctantly.
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Umm... that's the point, Skuzzy. The fan is below the outlet from the PSU. The hot air from the PSU will rise and so not be sucked in, but cool air will. I got a 2 degree drop from doing this.
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qts,..the PSU will be fine. When you pull air in under the PSU to the CPU, then you have devices lower in the case that get starved for air.
Your method to solve a problem could create another problem
Having the PSU and case fans pull air out of the case, vents the heated air out of the case, instead of mixing it up inside the case.
By having a large exhaust area high in the case, the cooler air will be drawn from the lower case openings and thus cool the entire system, and not just the CPU.
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Went out and bought a cheap stealth fan I think it was called less than 15 bucks...I haven't had time to get around and put it in yet, but I will tonight and check the temp periodically. Will post pictures later.
Estes
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(http://www.tensec240.com/images/fan1.jpg)
(http://www.tensec240.com/images/fan2.jpg)
Anything that looks wrong?/ could be improved?
edit: oops almost forgot new temp's
(http://www.tensec240.com/images/new.JPG)
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How's the temps?
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:)
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wow I just spent way too much time @ desktopgirls.com
and clean up those cables :)
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yeah, I know what you mean :)
I'm lazy I will eventually get 'em cleaned up :p
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Once you get the cables cleaned up, you probably will drop another degree or two.
Do you have an intake fan on the lower front of the case?
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Not sure if I even have a place to mount one.. Will check, I think it's time to upgrade my case, it's pretty old..
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Ok, found the mount, but there is this big white looking grill guard type thing, it comes off but what's it for? Any specific type of fan or plain jane fan?
(http://www.tensec240.com/images/guard.jpg)
pic without the guard looking thing
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That white plastic thing is where the front fan mounts. After pulling it from the case, there should be 2 or 4 ears protruding from the back/inside of it.
An 80mm fan snaps in place. Should also be a couple of guide pins in the corners. The fan you put in this location should pull air into the case.
I can understand now why your computer was running so hot. The only fan you had was the PSU fan.
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There isn't anything really special in here small little ears, I guess that's what they are called
(http://www.tensec240.com/images/inside.jpg)
Don't know if a fan will fit? If not what do I need to do?
Sorry, I'm computer challenged
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Well, this can't be a good thing...I noticed later today after I put the fan in, it seems like it works great for awhile then it gets hot 47 (record high) will this be cured when I get the lower intake fan put in? or is something else required?
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Lower intake fan will help. But you need to clean up the cables so air can move through the case freely.
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damn ... now I'm worried.
Got my motherboard replaced and built the system back up last night. Ran some benchmarks, sweeeet results in everything. This baby has some horsepower, but I recorded the CPU and Motherboard temps during a routine gaming session and the CPU reached 58C, Motherboard went up to 33C.
Should I be worried?
Should I start looking for a different cooling solution?
The case only has the one fan (120mm) sucking out the back. The SubZero doesn't seem to be doing all that well.
Case: Antec Sonata
PSU: Antec 380 Watt TruePower
CPU: Intel Pentium 4-3.0C GHz
Cooling: Thermaltake SubZero4G
Motherboard: ASUS P4C800 Deluxe
Memory: Corsair XMS 1GB PC-3200 LL Platinum (2 X 512)
Hard Drive: Seagate 120GB SATA 7200 RPM /w 8MB Cache
Video: ATI 9800 Pro 128
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damn again :(
I just added in another drive and rearranged all the wiring and cables to hopefully clear the path of air flow ... gamed for a bit and tracked temps ... highest temp this time was 66C!!!! ouch!
There's got to be something wrong. I'm gonna try just the stock HSF that camewith the cpu.
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Case I just bought a little while back from Newegg. It was a flawless install of new hardware and temps are great with all the fans in the case. Also now using all round cables inside and all pulled out of the way to allow uninhibited airflow.
(http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-125-200-07.JPG)
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Exile, the Sonata has provision for a front 120mm fan (I put one in mine...made a huge difference). I would say go back to the stock Intel HSF. It is a good HSF and even works well in overclocking.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Exile, the Sonata has provision for a front 120mm fan (I put one in mine...made a huge difference). I would say go back to the stock Intel HSF. It is a good HSF and even works well in overclocking.
Gonna strip her down again tomorrow and see about the extra fan.
I don't see where it would fit in front. Does it mount on the side? If so, how does it draw air in from the front?
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Exile, unlike other snap-in fans, the Sonata uses the silicone push-pins to fasten the fan to the front lower.
Once you pull the drive bay out, you wil see the holes. Hope you kept your bag of goodies that came with the case, as their are 4 extra silicone pins in the bag for this mounting.
If you are confused about what I am talking about. Look at how the back 120mm fan is mounted.
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Mine sits at 30c and at full AH usage it's 40c...took 5 fans(one on the top)
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Dont know if this helps ya Estes, try getting all your cables out of the way as meantioned earlier.
here is a shot of the inside of mine, pulling all that crap back for better airflow helped out alot.
and NO picking on my blue fans please :D
Hope this gives ya an idea on what people are talking about, BTW top blowhole fan wouldnt hurt either but thats a pain to cut and install.
(http://home.attbi.com/~jim_ferreira/wsb/media/141146/site1030.jpg)
JustJim1
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Originally posted by Reschke
Case I just bought a little while back from Newegg. It was a flawless install of new hardware and temps are great with all the fans in the case. Also now using all round cables inside and all pulled out of the way to allow uninhibited airflow.
(http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-125-200-07.JPG)
(http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-125-200-06.JPG)
(http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-125-200-04.JPG)
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Resch,
thats my new case, except mine has build in water cooling.
Whels
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Alright, well I am going to go buy a new case as soon as CPU opens monday morning. I will take pictures when I get it all ready.
Thanks,
-Estes
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BTW: Reschke didn't mention the manufacturer or model number of that nice blue case. It's a Chieftec AX-01BLD U2F 450W available for $89 on newegg.com.
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Originally posted by Exile
damn again :(
I just added in another drive and rearranged all the wiring and cables to hopefully clear the path of air flow ... gamed for a bit and tracked temps ... highest temp this time was 66C!!!! ouch!
There's got to be something wrong. I'm gonna try just the stock HSF that camewith the cpu.
That strikes me as very hot for an Intel cpu. The sonata is a great case, I would supect your Heat sink instalation.