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Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on June 18, 2003, 01:04:02 PM
I have two videos were shane killed me. He came at me twice knowing it was me. He claimed he did not have icons on the first time, however, the second time he claims the same thing.

Call me names, call me what you may, but he had no excuse for doing this. We all know shane is a salamander but now is the time to do something about it.  I asure you a private email will follow to HTC.

Its my $14, I play the way I want to (edited)(but nobody has the right to purposfully shoot his own countryman). He has no right to do that, none at all. He did it on purpose and I demand action from HTC. I have both guncam footages if anyone needs them.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 01:06:38 PM
well gee i told you i had icons off, for the immersive effect, ya know? for my $15 i wanted it to be as immersive as possible in such a historic setting. too bad all gv's look the same. :(

i just wanted to help milk hq and some of the few remaining rook bases... then see a gv!!  fire!! oops! sowwy.  i did apologize.... let me make up and help you milk hq again...

did you mention your naughty langauge? if your film missed it, i have a nice screenshot.

i think maybe k/s needs to be put back on... it's dangerous for gv's out there, unlike planes... especially with icons off.

did i mention i had icons off? let me make sure i mention that.

very immersive! and risky. especially for milkers and the defenders, such as there were.

tsk.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on June 18, 2003, 01:38:28 PM
lol, you are too much shane. You know good and well you did what you did on purpose. Sure, once was enough and yes, everthing is on guncam and has not been edited. I sent HTC as well as several others a private email on the matter. It is up to them what happens.

I have had enough of you and whomever supports you. Read between the lines.

Hawk Out!(http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/ahss38.jpg)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Furious on June 18, 2003, 01:48:19 PM
I think it's kinda funny.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 01:51:16 PM
lameness happens... sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes not.

i think our respective histories indicate quite clearly who's more likely to be deliberately lame.

i was defending as rooks, and every time you saw my enemy gv, you'd .ef right away.. and try and milk somewhere else and repeat the .ef when i moved to defend. and rooks were down to like 5 bases or so. and hq been down for 2 days due to milkers like you - now killing hq like that in CT with low nbr's, knowing full well many people will come in and leave when they see no dar, well, i'd pretty much label that "griefer at work."

so i said, fugit i may as well switch and help and be lame... icons off in gv's is a baaaaaaadd thing, i think we can both agree on, especially when mixed with killshooter off.  

war is hell... friendly fire is a historically proven fact of war. CT is "realistic." yanno...

and there's a war on, son! mistakes happen, sometimes actually by mistake. you're dead, now hush up!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Furball on June 18, 2003, 01:51:28 PM
LMAO! harsh... but funny

Shane is clearly innocent, look at the text buffer!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 01:51:55 PM
and see!!  there was no icon over hawk's tank!!!

but sticking with the historical accuracy theme, if he really feels it was deliberate he should just view me as a commissar for the rodina. i did see him express cowardance  in the face of the enemy.  and we know what happens to cowards in stalin's army.

:eek:
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Furball on June 18, 2003, 02:00:02 PM
if i was CT staff i would tell hawk to go f* himself, after he made this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88569) thread
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 18, 2003, 02:04:09 PM
P6E is claearly a soft capitalist bouregois pig... Comrade Commisar Shane acted within his duties by promptly executing the people's righteus justice!

Death to Capitalism!
Long live Marx!
Long live Lenin!
Long live Stalin!


BTW P6E thats what you get for playing as a whoopeeed heathen communist. ;)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on June 18, 2003, 02:19:45 PM
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/ahss40.jpg)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 02:23:01 PM
hey! i apologized!!!  how often do you see *that* from me?!?

:eek: :confused: :eek:

and such language!! children play this game you know!! shame!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on June 18, 2003, 02:28:53 PM
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if i was CT staff i would tell hawk to go f* himself, after he made this thread


Is that the only one you can find? I am sure there are at least ten more like that!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: eskimo2 on June 18, 2003, 03:05:30 PM
Clearly this is a reason why Killshooter needs to be on.
Shane and other kill-starved tards don’t have enough self-control with out it off to keep them selves in line.  I can see Shane’s temptation, however, no one will give quite the response that Shane was seeking as P6Ehawk.   I’m sure steam was coming out of his ears.  Kill him once and watch the secondary explosions in the text buffer.

Not surprised by anything here.

eskimo
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 03:12:24 PM
figures you'd chime in on the lamer milker's side.  birds of a feather and all that.

:rolleyes:

plenty of kills to be had in CT... i just don't take forever in getting them.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Dennis on June 18, 2003, 04:15:38 PM
It's all fun and games ... until somebody gets hurt.


Splash1
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: SunKing on June 18, 2003, 04:35:17 PM
Shane, nice litter of lapdog you have.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 04:43:30 PM
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Originally posted by SunKing
Shane, nice litter of lapdog you have.


ooohhh look the littlest anklehumping slobberdonklet came out to play!

i think i'll keep him for now... he looks cute up on that high horse of failed condescension.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: SunKing on June 18, 2003, 05:17:18 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
ooohhh look the littlest anklehumping slobberdonklet came out to play!

i think i'll keep him for now... he looks cute up on that high horse of failed condescension.


Thast's right slobberjackarse. You really need to come up with new material. Your same ole whines and hypercritical excuses are boring.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 05:22:55 PM
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Originally posted by SunKing
Thast's right slobberjackarse. You really need to come up with new material. Your same ole whines and hypercritical excuses are boring.


lol, so speaks mr. originality himself.  were you born dense or do you work at it?

take the blinders off and take a real good look at things... once you get past "shane" you just might evolve in AH a bit.



your turn. try not to stumble, stutter or otherwise amuse me.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: SunKing on June 18, 2003, 05:44:17 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
lol, so speaks mr. originality himself.  were you born dense or do you work at it?

take the blinders off and take a real good look at things... once you get past "shane" you just might evolve in AH a bit.



your turn. try not to stumble, stutter or otherwise amuse me.


And you called me condesending! hah

Someone else needs to get past "shane".
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 05:45:11 PM
From the thread: :"Informal Poll: Killshooter OFF or ON?"

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Shane voted and commented:

off... CT is too small for griefers to get away with very much.


*ShruG*

Oh well. So much for that theory, I guess. (Shane being sarcastic and all) It was worth a shot. I would have figured it would have been a case of a newbie player that was either colorblind and couldn't tell the difference between a friendly player's cpid and an opposing players vehicle/plane icon descrip (not to mention the chesspiece in the icon) ... or maybe an immature newbie that was bored and had something to prove.

Well, guess one doesn't have to be a new player to fit in the second category.

Thanks for tryin', Eddie. And thanks for takin' the time to ask. I guess the small "mature" CT group couldn't handle it afterall.

We'll live. KS on. *ShruG* WTG Shane! You single handedly got KS turned back on! ;)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: daddog on June 18, 2003, 06:13:01 PM
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I can see Shane’s temptation, however, no one will give quite the response that Shane was seeking as P6Ehawk. I’m sure steam was coming out of his ears. Kill him once and watch the secondary explosions in the text buffer.

Not surprised by anything here.
Eskimo is right on. P6E has a great big red button that says PUSH. I would have thought shane had more self control, but one must first have the desire to control ones self.  Shane pleading ignorance, ludicrous! :rolleyes:

PE6 you said today how much you hate this sim. So why fly in it if you are so frustrated by it? :rolleyes: I can't count the times you go off because something is wrong with this sim.

After getting killed by shane several times in a row just today (which is normal) I was wondering how much time he spends in this sim. He did not want to share that so I looked. A couple months ago almost 170 hours which is over 6 hours a day, which suggests to me he loves this sim and has nothing better to do with his life. Shane expand your horizons a bit and go turn on the T.V. ;)

PE6 start flying 6 hours a day and maybe you can get the better of him. If not then live with it because most guys can’t spend that kind of time perfecting this game. Or... ask him how he did what he did. He has told me more than once what I did wrong and gave me some tips when I asked, unless he was to busy kicking someone.

Which is worse, the fellow who has the kick me sign and does not know how to remove it or the jerk who kicks him?  If I was king of the world I would give you both a month off to realign your priorities. :rolleyes:
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Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: buckweet on June 18, 2003, 06:19:34 PM
Hey Shane you want to talk about people whining. We'll see what happens when you go after 2 or 3 planes at one time and they end up on you and kill you. Lets see who does the crybabbying and whining then.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 18, 2003, 06:19:43 PM
I know that p6e is touchy, but what shane was up to was just childish.  I like to see killshooter off, but with behavior like that.  Well, I guess we wont see killshooter off again for a long time.


thanks shane.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 06:30:08 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
I would have figured it would have been a case of a newbie player that was either colorblind and couldn't tell the difference between a friendly player's cpid and an opposing players vehicle/plane icon descrip (not to mention the chesspiece in the icon)


what part of "icons off" do you not understand? :confused:

maybe if you rtfm you'd know u can cycle icons thru 4 stages.

but you being a noob and all, i guess you haven't gotten that far into the esoteric details of AH yet.

you've been humping my ankle fairly hard arlo, you're pretty amusing. and whiney azz'd biatch in your own right.

go back to your pik as conspiracy theories, and let us big boys play.


ur just jealous your whines accomplished nothing. :D

pay attn to hawk, imitate him and you might end up worth something after all. you've always prided yourself in your dweebiness, now i see you aspire to lameness as well!! what ambition! go git sum!!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 06:34:57 PM
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Originally posted by daddog
blah blah blah


they say how one plays a game is but a reflection upon how one plays their life....

ponder that... expand your horizon and look at what hawk was doing in that context...

now take a deep breathe, look in the mirror, and ask youself, "do i suck at real life as much as i suck in the game, is my real stick as misfiring as my joystick, is this high horse i'm trying to ride a dead one?"

btw the tv is right behind me. :D

and since we're getting all real-lifey and smarmy.... ask yourself to define your beliefs in god, and whether you should review this particular warning, "judge not, lest ye be judged."

sorry, can't flip it back on me, not religious. ;)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 06:40:10 PM
oh and erg... i see you've inspired these lamers to mimic your lameness.  milking bases, milking hq surrounded by enemy bases - milked when no one was on to defend - , .ef when vis an enemy, .ef when vis an enemy yet again w/o firing a shot, rinse wash repeat. if that isn;t total  slobberdonkey lamosity i have no idea what is.

yep, you should be proud. even prouder that there's a brand new spanking lamer CT squad following in those same clueless footsteps, the strikers, maybe someday they'll even be good enough to get a kill when they have alt and nbrs.

man... i'm really not surprised at the endorsement of this lameness *just because i* called it out and spanked p6ehawk for it. he could simply have laughed it off. i did. i still am. lol.

lol... talk about over-reactions.

try not to strain ya'lls wrist's now, can't have carpal tunnel from the circle affecting your j/s input... oh n/m you guys never turn anyway, all straight line stampede of geldings.

lol.

and you call *me* childish.
Title: Okay guys, what's done is done.....
Post by: eddiek on June 18, 2003, 06:44:27 PM
Let's move on.  Two days left on this setup, try and have fun in the time we have left with it.

Lay off Shane for starters.

He can't help himself.  Unlike a pup or kitten who can be trained not to defecate or urinate on the carpet or other floor, or not crap in it's box, he cannot be trained to behave.  Only HiTech, Pyro, or some of the other HTC employees have the horsepower to enforce any kind of penalty for misbehaving.  

If you wanna blame someone, blame me.
I incorrectly assumed that players would not purposely shoot a friendly.  If it happened, I figured it would be a newbie doing it, and not a veteran who knew better.
Leaving killshooter off was a bad idea.  I did it without consulting the other staff members, thinking (again incorrectly) that most or all of the players who frequent the CT have a sense of right and wrong  and know that killing a friendly is not good for anyone.  Call this one an experiment that yielded mixed results.  The good thing that came out of it is that I learned one truism:  Some people are just prettythangholes and cannot help it.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: culero on June 18, 2003, 06:49:08 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
snip

 now killing hq like that in CT with low nbr's, knowing full well many people will come in and leave when they see no dar, well, i'd pretty much label that "griefer at work."



Yeap.

culero (no ****!)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: myelo on June 18, 2003, 06:49:21 PM
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Originally posted by Dennis
It's all fun and games ... until somebody gets hurt.


Then, it's just fun.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 06:50:24 PM
yeah eddie, i blame you for being an idiot. and one too lazy this morning to step up and do what brady did this afternoon, namely address and redress the lameness perpetuated under your watch.

didn't you read the manual, aren't you aware of what happens if the CT gets reset? and there's no CT staffer around for a while to fix things?

did you not say this very morning, "i'm logging because all this la5 wants to do is run.." and then stick around a bit before finally logging, even when i asked nicely if you'd reset the map?

uh-huh....

bravo! outstanding! good show! now maybe you should step out of your CT staff shoes when you're making personal insults, especially those related to bodily excretion?
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: culero on June 18, 2003, 06:50:56 PM
I just realized something awful.

I agreed with Shane.

I'm OMW to de-contaminate myself :(

culero
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: culero on June 18, 2003, 06:56:02 PM
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/ahss40.jpg)


Dood. I can't believe you posted that.

"Time to go to the UBB"???

Translation: "Wahhhh, MOMMMMMMYYYYYY!"

I bet you used to get beat up a lot, as a kid, eh? :)

culero (LMAO, what a whinerdork)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: eskimo2 on June 18, 2003, 07:05:35 PM


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Originally posted by Shane
they say how one plays a game is but a reflection upon how one plays their life....

ponder that... expand your horizon and look at what hawk was doing in that context...

now take a deep breathe, look in the mirror, and ask youself, "do i suck at real life as much as i suck in the game, is my real stick as misfiring as my joystick, is this high horse i'm trying to ride a dead one?"



Now that's funny, Shane of all useless people, insinuating that Daddog hasn’t done much with his real life!  Like Shane has done something with his, at all!  LOL
Shane’s life is nothing without this virtual game.  How sad that he thinks it matters.  How sad that all he wants is respect, yet he has very little.  How sad that he just doesn’t get why people have 100 times more respect for Daddog than himself.

eskimo
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 07:07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
what part of "icons off" do you not understand? :confused:

 


What part of "I figured it would have been a newbie" was too complicated for you to grasp? "Icons off!" you cry as some sort of excuse for you being too stupid to stop doing it. ;)

Nobody's fooled for a second, Shanepoo. You saw an opportunity. You took it. You don't have to have icons on to be able to figure out you're repeatedly studmuffinging a friendly when they're telling you in the text and you're responding.

You can play at being ignorant hard enough to become that way, apparently. ;)

But ... sez lez vez and all that. Can't unring a bell. Just don't make this your "crowning achievement." :D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: eskimo2 on June 18, 2003, 07:10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
yeah eddie, i blame you for being an idiot. and one too lazy this morning to step up and do what brady did this afternoon, namely address and redress the lameness perpetuated under your watch.

didn't you read the manual, aren't you aware of what happens if the CT gets reset? and there's no CT staffer around for a while to fix things?

did you not say this very morning, "i'm logging because all this la5 wants to do is run.." and then stick around a bit before finally logging, even when i asked nicely if you'd reset the map?

uh-huh....

bravo! outstanding! good show! now maybe you should step out of your CT staff shoes when you're making personal insults, especially those related to bodily excretion?


You really want people to hate you.. huh?

eskimo
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 07:11:51 PM
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Originally posted by eskimo2

Now that's funny, Shane of all useless people, insinuating that Daddog hasn’t done much with his real life!  Like Shane has done something with his, at all!  LOL
Shane’s life is nothing without this virtual game.  How sad that he thinks it matters.  How sad that all he wants is respect, yet he has very little.  How sad that he just doesn’t get why people have 100 times more respect for Daddog than himself.

eskimo


well eskimo, just as i know nothing about daddog's life, the converse is true - he knows nothing about mine.

now be a good little school teacher and refresh yourself with the bible. feel free to thump it.

oh, i'm not the one striving for attention by score-whoring the #1-2 spot each and every tour, lol. man, take a good look in your own mirror and think twice about throwing stones in glass houses.

i do understand how people can respect daddog, i used to before he went and got holier than thou on me. i love the smell of burning hypocrisy in the morning.

fwiw, i could care less about any of your's so-called respect, lol. especially in a game, lololol. and trying to bring in something you have not the least idea about is pretty presumptious.

lol ankle humping slobberdonkeys.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 07:13:12 PM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
You really want people to hate you.. huh?

eskimo


sure, if it somehow validates their existence. do you feel validated?

WTFGAS and YMMV and all that.

god bless you.
Title: hey arlo...
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 07:17:02 PM
ask eskimo if you can borrow his dictionary...

or better yet... http://www.dictionary.com

repeatedly

\Re*peat"ed*ly\, adv. More than once; again and again; indefinitely.

i think common useage precludes repeatedly from being "twice."

but hey! you found your moral guns, so stick to them!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 07:17:12 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
WTFGAS and YMMV and all that.



You sure are jumping up and down on yer stick pony and slappin yer arse alot to be inserting that so you can pretend you're being all laid back and all. Manic-depressive, prolly. :D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 18, 2003, 07:17:31 PM
Shane, if you dont like anyone in the ct, and you dont like the people that set up the ct, and you dont like the way people play in the ct, why do you continue to play in the ct.  

You are making this game unenjoyable for many people.  I squelch you as soon as I log on, but I still have to read other people responding to your terrible behavior.  

This game is already stagnant due to the upcoming release, and with only your crap to look forward too I am not surprised my play time is down to maybe an hour a week.  You should really change your attitude.  You were very quiet for a long time, then all of  a sudden you are way out of line again.  Is there a stick back there 2 or 3 months ago you need to be reminded of?  I would love to know the answer to that.
Title: Re: hey arlo...
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 07:18:19 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
ask eskimo if you can borrow his dictionary...

or better yet... http://www.dictionary.com

repeatedly

\Re*peat"ed*ly\, adv. More than once; again and again; indefinitely.

i think common useage precludes repeatedly from being "twice."

but hey! you found your moral guns, so stick to them!


True ... for some it takes longer to get a clue. Once is actually enough for me. ;)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 07:19:26 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
You sure are jumping up and down on yer stick pony and slappin yer arse alot to be inserting that so you can pretend you're being all laid back and all. Manic-depressive, prolly. :D


are you christian? religious at all? tend to your own house, doctor and stop projecting.

and cheer up!!  you may actually obtain that *one* clue someday.

:D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 07:20:56 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
are you christian? religious at all? tend to your own house, doctor and stop projecting.


My house is in order. You got issues. Glad I could help you. You're welcome and all. :D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 18, 2003, 07:21:43 PM
i like the CT, i just don't particularly care for some of the truly lamer stuff i see, especially from players who've been around a while.

it sets as much a bad example as you think i set... feel free to squelch those who respond to me if that offends you. no one forcing them on ch1.

pot? kettle?
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 07:24:06 PM
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Originally posted by Shane

it sets as much a bad example as you think i set...


Neh ... you never like being second rate at anything. Bad examples included. ;)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on June 18, 2003, 07:33:45 PM
eddiek

I still support no KillShooter. Sure, what I wrote may look bad, my screen shots may look bad but the point is there. We all know what shane is and this is just the icing on the cake. He gives everyone a hasel and this one turned on him. I may run, I may hide, but this is the lowest and he knows it.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: daddog on June 18, 2003, 08:13:56 PM
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i do understand how people can respect daddog, i used to before he went and got holier than thou on me. i love the smell of burning hypocrisy in the morning.
Did I mention religion? Besides, I am not religious, at least not as you define it. Holier than thou? :) I just suggested you expand your horizons and watch some T.V.  
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now take a deep breathe, look in the mirror, and ask youself, "do i suck at real life as much as i suck in the game, is my real stick as misfiring as my joystick, is this high horse i'm trying to ride a dead one?"
Wow..
Did not mean to push your button. :D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arfann on June 18, 2003, 08:31:07 PM
Hmm. After reading this whole thread, and with all due respect to all posters, I gotta say the "milk-running" weenies definitely are a major aggravation in the CT and I must Shane for causing it to get notice on the boards, no matter how egregious he is in causing it. :p

Nuttin' worse than cking in to the CT for a quickie and finding milkrunners from each country at opposite ends of the map, and both "disappearing" when confronted.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 18, 2003, 09:40:21 PM
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Originally posted by Arfann
Hmm. After reading this whole thread, and with all due respect to all posters, I gotta say the "milk-running" weenies definitely are a major aggravation in the CT and I must Shane for causing it to get notice on the boards, no matter how egregious he is in causing it. :p

Nuttin' worse than cking in to the CT for a quickie and finding milkrunners from each country at opposite ends of the map, and both "disappearing" when confronted.


Sorry ... I beg to differ.

1: There's no excuse for deliberately fragging.

2: Milkrunning isn't going to stop because of what Shane did.

3: Milkrunning isn't going to stop because of it's "getting notice on the BBS." (Which, btw, it got long before Shane decided it would be fun to frag Curtiss-Hawk in a tank).

In other words, the only thing Shane "accomplished" here was to get KS turned back on.

You applaud what Shane did because you see it as the lesser of two evils and because you think the end justifies the means.

(Prepare for some redundancy here)

A: How is deliberately fragging (especially to "prove a point" or "teach a lesson") better than "milkrunning?"

B: How is Shane fragging Curtiss-Hawk going to put an end to milkrunning?

Answers:

A: It isn't. If anything it's worse. Shane didn't opt to defend that HQ from Curtiss-Hawk's unopposed attack. He opted to spawn in a "friendly" tank and hunt C-Hawk down. He half-heartedly tried to carry over the same lame excuse he used when doing it here to this thread (friendly icons off) but when it became apparent that it wasn't really gonna fool anyone he opted for it being a good way to teach C-Hawk a lesson in propriety. Which is just as stupid a claim.

B: It isn't. "Milk-running" is as old as online sims. Whether it be a bored player who logged onto an empty arena and is killing time or whether he logged onto an empty arena and decided to practice his gunnery/bombing/rocketry until someone decided to log on and oppose him ... it's gonna happen. Even if it's a player that's in a populated arena and decided to take a break (or is waiting for his buddies to log on) and decided to go bomb something solo without a dozen fighters pickin' him apart enroute .... it's gonna happen. Fragging ain't the "cure" by a long shot.

Here's a pretty good guess at what went down:

The arena was pretty empty. Shane was bored and frustrated. He wanted some more fights but there wasn't anyone up. He checked the roster and saw there was still a player or two in the arena with him. He saw an HQ flashing (whether his or the other side's). He saw no con on the lapmap. He watched for awhile longer. No con materialized. He knew it was a GV.

 If he was on the other side, he switched .... if not, he didn't bother switching ... then spawned nearby and went GV hunting. No he didn't really have "icons off." It's easier to locate the GV if it's a friendly and the icons are on. (Guess what, Shane apparently thinks when we film ourselves we will see an icon over our vehicle. That comment was pretty funny.)

 He located Curtiss-Hawk. He had hoped it was him and confirming just made him want to do this even more. He pulls up behind him and starts his act. "Oh lookie here! I've a-snuck up on uh enema GV" (He types on the country channel) and he lets loose. Obviously C-Hawk had his icons on too, he knew Shane was a friendly right off the bat. Surely he looked around when he heard another tank coming. Or maybe he was underway (albeit slower than Shane) and didn't hear him coming at all. Either way, it was sure to be a surprise when he started taking hits and looked around to see a friendly pounding him at his point blank six (from the looks of it, it took more than one round).

Obviously C-Hawk is upset and tells Shane to stop. Shane (giggling to himself) goes into his "Errr .. ummm ... errrr .... friendly icons off. Big mistake ol' chap. Ultra realism here. Just like KS off. What fun. What fun." And waits for C-Hawk to return. C-Hawk apparently decides to test this theory and does return and Shane gets back into position and does it again. Now Shane is obviously doing it on purpose but he still insists, "Whoops, icons still off, didn't realize it was you shooting at the enemy HQ again and all. I thought maybe it was an enemy tank fragging it's own HQ. Duuuurrrrr."

Pretty funny lil "Comedy of Errors." May deserve an Academy Award but not one for a "selfless act of heroism by fragging to stop the lameness of milkrunning."

:D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Slash27 on June 18, 2003, 11:56:21 PM
Purposely fragging Hawk then taunting him like a child.  Thats silly even for you. Dont let your cheerleaders fool you, you're still whats worst about this game. To bad HT doesnt keep up on the CT. Maybe he would take you down a notch or two.  Go ahead, keep "justifying your lameness". Thats what you excell at.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arfann on June 19, 2003, 07:11:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Sorry ... I beg to differ.

1: There's no excuse for deliberately fragging.

2: Milkrunning isn't going to stop because of what Shane did.

3: Milkrunning isn't going to stop because of it's "getting notice on the BBS." (Which, btw, it got long before Shane decided it would be fun to frag Curtiss-Hawk in a tank).

In other words, the only thing Shane "accomplished" here was to get KS turned back on.

You applaud what Shane did because you see it as the lesser of two evils and because you think the end justifies the means.

(Prepare for some redundancy here)

A: How is deliberately fragging (especially to "prove a point" or "teach a lesson") better than "milkrunning?"

B: How is Shane fragging Curtiss-Hawk going to put an end to milkrunning?

Answers:

A: It isn't. If anything it's worse. Shane didn't opt to defend that HQ from Curtiss-Hawk's unopposed attack. He opted to spawn in a "friendly" tank and hunt C-Hawk down. He half-heartedly tried to carry over the same lame excuse he used when doing it here to this thread (friendly icons off) but when it became apparent that it wasn't really gonna fool anyone he opted for it being a good way to teach C-Hawk a lesson in propriety. Which is just as stupid a claim.

B: It isn't. "Milk-running" is as old as online sims. Whether it be a bored player who logged onto an empty arena and is killing time or whether he logged onto an empty arena and decided to practice his gunnery/bombing/rocketry until someone decided to log on and oppose him ... it's gonna happen. Even if it's a player that's in a populated arena and decided to take a break (or is waiting for his buddies to log on) and decided to go bomb something solo without a dozen fighters pickin' him apart enroute .... it's gonna happen. Fragging ain't the "cure" by a long shot.

Here's a pretty good guess at what went down:

The arena was pretty empty. Shane was bored and frustrated. He wanted some more fights but there wasn't anyone up. He checked the roster and saw there was still a player or two in the arena with him. He saw an HQ flashing (whether his or the other side's). He saw no con on the lapmap. He watched for awhile longer. No con materialized. He knew it was a GV.

 If he was on the other side, he switched .... if not, he didn't bother switching ... then spawned nearby and went GV hunting. No he didn't really have "icons off." It's easier to locate the GV if it's a friendly and the icons are on. (Guess what, Shane apparently thinks when we film ourselves we will see an icon over our vehicle. That comment was pretty funny.)

 He located Curtiss-Hawk. He had hoped it was him and confirming just made him want to do this even more. He pulls up behind him and starts his act. "Oh lookie here! I've a-snuck up on uh enema GV" (He types on the country channel) and he lets loose. Obviously C-Hawk had his icons on too, he knew Shane was a friendly right off the bat. Surely he looked around when he heard another tank coming. Or maybe he was underway (albeit slower than Shane) and didn't hear him coming at all. Either way, it was sure to be a surprise when he started taking hits and looked around to see a friendly pounding him at his point blank six (from the looks of it, it took more than one round).

Obviously C-Hawk is upset and tells Shane to stop. Shane (giggling to himself) goes into his "Errr .. ummm ... errrr .... friendly icons off. Big mistake ol' chap. Ultra realism here. Just like KS off. What fun. What fun." And waits for C-Hawk to return. C-Hawk apparently decides to test this theory and does return and Shane gets back into position and does it again. Now Shane is obviously doing it on purpose but he still insists, "Whoops, icons still off, didn't realize it was you shooting at the enemy HQ again and all. I thought maybe it was an enemy tank fragging it's own HQ. Duuuurrrrr."

Pretty funny lil "Comedy of Errors." May deserve an Academy Award but not one for a "selfless act of heroism by fragging to stop the lameness of milkrunning."

:D


Lemme guess. Breaking in a new keyboard?
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Eagler on June 19, 2003, 07:26:38 AM
after last night - me thinks shane has lost his meds

slamming children on ch 1 ain't the way to fix anything

he is an adult isn't he? if he's only 12, like he sounds. never mind.

he's a great pilot - to bad he opens his mouth
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 19, 2003, 08:23:08 AM
Shane if I squelched everyone that berated you for your behavior in the CT I would never be able to take off for all of the typing.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Furball on June 19, 2003, 08:28:52 AM
To be honest i think most of us would be tempted to do what Shane did in that situation.  When there's 10 or so people in the CT and 5 of them milkrunning, especially when its HQ milkrunning it spoils the game.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 19, 2003, 08:32:41 AM
I wouldnt.  


Here is what I would do.

I would find somebody on the enemy team milkrunning and shoot them.

What an original, thought provoking idea.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arfann on June 19, 2003, 08:42:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ergRTC
I wouldnt.  


Here is what I would do.

I would find somebody on the enemy team milkrunning and shoot them.

What an original, thought provoking idea.


Not that original. Evidently, Shane tried. The "victim" would .ef and pop up at another place.  What fun, a game of "hide and seek"!!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 19, 2003, 08:51:59 AM
Well, then I would find something else to do.  I would not get so bent out of shape that I would start killing countrymen.  Whats the term...  I think my old welding instructer used to use it all the time... oh yeah "now dont go tie your underwear in knots..."
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Eagler on June 19, 2003, 09:22:17 AM
he can do whatever .. kill whoever .. just do it without the noise on ch 1
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: najdorf on June 19, 2003, 09:48:29 AM
Geez, a fight between Shane and P6E, my two least favorite people in the game.  Who to cheer for?  I know, maybe they'll permanently kill each other.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 19, 2003, 09:55:06 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Eagler
he can do whatever .. kill whoever .. just do it without the noise on ch 1


hey eagler why don't you bitch about the the truly vulgar crap those kids were spewiing. get off my ankle, get on theirs.

yanno, my anger isn't so much at the noobs who do this stuff, altho' they're getting a little transferral when they get all chest puffy when i call 'em on it; it's disgust with the way so called "vets" who don't take the time to teach, nuture, lecture and otherwise club seals into line and get the basics
down... they're giving tacit approval and encouragement to such lameness by both their silence and the faux 's they toss around for what is nothing more than half-azzed skills.

cop outs.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Jester on June 19, 2003, 10:18:00 AM
Fellow CT'ers - This thread between Hawk & Shane - does this not remind you of two Circus clowns bashing each other repeatedly over the head with a live Flounder? (shakes head). :rolleyes:

Grab you cream pies folks! Soon as the chest thumping, name calling and ankle humping is over the pie fight is on!!!  :D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: CurtissP-6EHawk on June 19, 2003, 11:05:15 AM
What we have here is "two wrongs dont make a right".  Everyone knows how shane is.

I guess what is needed here is an opology from me to the rest of the CT family.  I dont know when this mess really started but it does nothing but get worse. My bitterness did start, however, with WarBirdsII. When I was told about Aces High, I decided to try it out. What I discovered was a new game with some of the same players, with the same pros and cons. I started right off 6 months ago, my first night in AH, with guys yelling about not having the N1K2J and the allies having the F4FU. I was use to the yelling so I just joined right in......new sim, same ole BS.  After several months of many frustrations, I began expressing them on voxx both squad ch and country ch.  It got so bad at one time, a CM changed a whole map because I opened my mouth. I thought that was the end of the world.

I have written at least three replys like this, Lowejg knows all three if not more.  I see guys replying to this post whom I dont even recall seeing in the CT. Whats scarry is that they know me and me not knowing them.

Lowejg, let me join your squad, if it falls apart after three months, then I will know its me.

As for the rest of you guys, shane is bad for the CT, he needs to go, as well as myself.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: eskimo2 on June 19, 2003, 11:33:10 AM
Quote
Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk


As for the rest of you guys, shane is bad for the CT, he needs to go, as well as myself.


You guys just need to pry your / key off of your keyboards and all will be well.

eskimo
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Eagler on June 19, 2003, 11:35:21 AM
shane

all i saw was you

if they typed some crap - you to proud to ignore it?

instead you incite them into a frenzy to the point of making us squelch one

who appointed you master of the ct universe anyway?

take a chill pill
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Nifty on June 19, 2003, 11:42:36 AM
when are you guys going to learn that it's best to ignore him when he's on a tirade?
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Furious on June 19, 2003, 12:37:36 PM
This was a fantasticly stupid and entertaining thread.  Thank you one and all.  
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 19, 2003, 12:57:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Eagler
shane
all i saw was you
if they typed some crap - you to proud to ignore it?
instead you incite them into a frenzy to the point of making us squelch one
who appointed you master of the ct universe anyway?
take a chill pill


all you saw was me?  you missed all those genitalia fixated comments made by them?  

take off the blinders.  or better yet, squelch me and then take a good look at ch1 sometimes.

someone has to take up the slack that you so-called vets have been failing to. you're (generic) more self-absorbed in your little cocoons, only interested in the next backslapping faux to validate your merely average skills.

i see CT becoming quite lame when you only encourage instead of club lamers like hawk and them little striker snerts. you endorse that lameness. you might not like *how* i say things, but are you telling me in principle you support the total lameness seen? if so, then i truly think your status as "vets" should be downgraded to "clueless adult seals."  total noobs have an excuse... what's yours?

enjoy your little circles... try not to sprain your wrists or chap your lips.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 19, 2003, 01:00:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
What we have here is "two wrongs dont make a right".  Everyone knows how shane is.
As for the rest of you guys, shane is bad for the CT, he needs to go, as well as myself.


and everyone knows how you are. it's admirable to see squaddies, ex-squaddies and "sister" squaddies sticking up for your lameness.

i'm not bad for the CT, i'm bad for lamers because i call you on it.

how about showing some honest effort for once, hawk *and* the rest of you anklehumpers,  instead of being content to endorse and espouse lameness?
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Eagler on June 19, 2003, 01:03:40 PM
when I don't recoginize a handle, I'll ignore it, squelch it on 1.
somebody of your experience shouldn't need to be squelched - then again maybe you have a screw loose ...

the setup changes weekly -  I don't worry about it

nobody died and made me "King of CT"

HT is lucky having paying customers like you policing their product for them :rolleyes:

are you a CT CM wannabe??
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 19, 2003, 01:09:20 PM
no eagler... i just call them like i see them.  you're content to wear blinders, flying along in your little coccon in your quest for the next faux from other seals.

i wouldn't appraoch being needing squelched if you so called vets weren't dropping the ball in toto in helping noobs and lamers become adequate players.

your silence is a tacit endorsement of what you *know* to be true lame behavior.

step up, take some of the burden off me and help to quiet my haranguing, help these people get good enough, get them to be less lame, and improve the game all around.

if you're not gonna do that, get off my ankle.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Drunky on June 19, 2003, 01:12:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Furious
This was a fantasticly stupid and entertaining thread.  Thank you one and all.  


I vote 5 starts for this thread.  This one is a possible for Thread of the Year.
Title: Shane is a helluva online pilot...........
Post by: eddiek on June 19, 2003, 01:25:14 PM
And he does have some good tips and advice to offer.

If he would present his views like this:


http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89407



........all the time instead of running off at the mouth, fewer people would be on his case.

And I know, Shane, you don't care what anyone thinks or says about you, but consider this:

When you spout off and call people names, are you really "improving" anything?  
To a newbie, your behavior might be considered the norm.  Calling players "lamers" whenever they don't play the way you think they should is not teaching them anything but bad manners and poor sportsmanship.
A player of your "skill" could better teach by example, i.e. leading those newbies and showing them tricks and tactics, no?
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 19, 2003, 01:36:16 PM
gentle cajoling never got anywhere.. experience has borne that out.  ignoring it entirely and just tossing out faux 's (something i was never into to begin with - if anything i toss out a simple :) ) only further encourages and endorses such behavior.

i never see anyone else offering tips, or clubbing down lamers for their truly lame behavior, except for those who try and jump on my back because they don't like how i'm getting my message across - and apparently taking the stance that as long as they get their quota of backslaps nothing else matters.

you're dam right i *do* help out in all sorts of manners, especially in the MA and on some of the boards.  the CT has a fairly small and regular player base, i'd like to see some of *you* step up to the plate.

i do enough of that in the MA, i go to the CT for the historical matchups and some good fights, always optimistic that what fork said about better fights being in the CT migh tbe true. so again, there are enough dedicated CT regulars who should be fulfilling this role somewhat.

don't like what i have to say over ch1? then help the overall situation improve to the point where it's toned down to mere, "lol gangers" or "you gurls are good with alt and nbrs."

let me copy something i wrote in another thread when steve asked about the apparent contradiction u also referred to,  to give you a better idea...

-----------------------
steve's post:

Dang Shane. I've been reading assorted threads and seen some of your posts in them. In a lot of them, slobberdonkeys and dweebs...or you are catagorize people in a negative light based on how they fly... this K/T, that K/S. You have something insulting or at least condescending to say about people in the game in just about every post.
I'm not baggin on ya dude.. it's perplexing and here's why: On the boards you come off as negative, even insulting toward a lot of people. And it seems obvious that anyone who doesn't fly in the way you prescribe to is somehow worthy of nothing but disdain. This and the same type of smack you talk on ch1 would lead most people to think you're somewhat less than a nice person. I sort of thought that... but always respected your MA skilz.
Then we went to the DA and you were this friendly, instructive, helpful, nice guy... you seemed very willing, even eager to help make me a better pilot and in a very positive and informative way. I got so much out of that, and enjoyed myself so much that I look forward to my next lessons. What's the deal there? I mean, it's almost like you put on your "bad guy hat" when you get on the boards or on ch1.

my response:

yeah, steve i guess i'm a complicated person; look closely and you can see an ulterior motive for how i act in the MA. it's pulled quite a few people into the DA with me, and once they put their egos aside, they find there's stuff to be learned. or i find out they've been holding back in MA and deprieving people of an honest battle.

look at it this way... i really don't care how or what anyone flys; all i want to see is an honest effort, not a lame-out. when i don't see that honest effort, well.... you'll hear from me...

and if you really pay attn to the text buffer you'll find 99% of my remarks are generalized and non-specific to a *person* such as ... lol gangers... lol, you gurls are good with nbrs and alt... diediedie HOJoustWeenie (often said before i even know who the weenie was, as one or both of us fall down to earth in flames)... or lol, that was some weak flying (used when i see a name that has been around quite a while and who i know has potential to do better.)

rarely do i get personal, yet you'll see people making personal attacks on me all the time. but if you wanna play that way, don't get all huffy puffy when i slap you down.

no one is ever forced to respond to my generic smacks... no one has to hit if no one responds, you don't see me carrying on and on and on..

those who want to play that particular form of word warrior do so of their own free will and no one else needs to come riding in on their high horse of faux morals/ethos to save a non-existent victim.

as for the BBS... well, let's just say.... the same tools and free will exist here as in the MA. i'm just as helpful on various boards in here and only jump in certain topics when the fancy strikes me to do so, in whatever manner amuses me at the time.



WTFGAS and YMMV yanno?

read drunky's sig some day.  read mine again while i have you here, now.  

oh yeah... i was never into the whole faux thing... i'll toss out a simple smiley or a lol while in MA in place of that faux . DA is a little different, i'll toss out a for at least seeing some honest effort from someone in attempting to learn or having some fun fights.

do a search in o'club for song parodys... check out the spoof i did of eminem's "without me"  

oh yeah, do me a favor, go hump lazs' ankle or something, mine are chaffed from the CT slobberdonkeys.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Grizzly on June 19, 2003, 01:56:19 PM
Players pay to have fun in AH and are allowed to do what they wish to have fun. HTC is mainly concerned about arena disruption and vulgarity and lets the community fend for itself beyond that. It's up to the community to set the standards for appropriate behavior within the game and communicate this to the other players in a variety of ways. That's the world of online gaming as I see it... YMMV

The thing that strikes me different about AH more than anything else is that certain types of conduct that are scorned and ridiculed elsewhere are accepted in AH. Milkrunning is one of these. Milkrunning is hard to define, but one thing that is needed to make it undesireable is it having a negative affect on others... porking an HQ certainly would. Another undesireable type of conduct are those who exit or auger to avoid conflict.

To me porking bases and exiting each time someone catches you is something a reasonable gaming community would frown on. It appears to me that Shane applied a little community justice in this case, which I applaud. The lack of character and whiney, crybaby conduct of the one who got his fair share of justice is displayed by his taking it here. This only reinforces the fact that he had it coming. I suggest dweeb hunts and incessant vulching are in order until he learns proper game ettiquette.

On the other hand, if you want a game full of idiots doing stupid things to mess things up for others while avoiding conflict (griefer is the right word for this), then those who oppose Shane here are on the right track. Shane may well get thrown out of AH, but it will always be as lame. Your choice =o/

WTG Shane =o)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 19, 2003, 02:03:25 PM
shane could get thrown out?  



hahahahahhahahahhahahahhahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahhahahahah



i think htc keeps him around just so he has somebody to threaten with his big stick every couple of months for unacceptable behavior.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Shane on June 19, 2003, 02:13:12 PM
but this begs the question... would my "unacceptable behavior" be present if you guys were a) not doing your own "unacceptable behavior, " aka lameness or b) helping to reduce the amount of "unacceptable behavior"  done by members of your own squads/noobs/friends?

if you're just gonna hump my ankle, you'll continue to get tossed to the floor when i shake my leg.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Eagler on June 19, 2003, 02:32:28 PM
how bout u offer take them to the training room your greatness

we are not worthy :rolleyes:
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Sikboy on June 19, 2003, 02:46:33 PM
"check 6 mr GV"

lol.

-Sik
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 19, 2003, 02:54:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arfann
Lemme guess. Breaking in a new keyboard?


Sometimes ya just gotta read to form an actual decent response. (http://161.58.5.90/animal/milton.wav)

:D *chuckle
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: ergRTC on June 19, 2003, 02:58:32 PM
damn funny arlo.  thanks needed that.
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Sabre on June 19, 2003, 03:53:34 PM
Okay kids...fights over; go home now.  Seriously, I think people need to drop this thread now.  Everyone knows what both camps think, and continued verbal fragging will serve no purpose but to further polarize the community.  It certainly won't change anyone's mind.

Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Arlo on June 19, 2003, 03:56:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
but this begs the question... would my "unacceptable behavior" be present if you guys were a) not doing your own "unacceptable behavior, " aka lameness or b) helping to reduce the amount of "unacceptable behavior"  done by members of your own squads/noobs/friends?

if you're just gonna hump my ankle, you'll continue to get tossed to the floor when i shake my leg.


That's just it, Shaneepoo .... you don't decide what is and isn't unacceptable behavior in AH. Not for the community. You can just decide how you react to it. And how you react to it may be viewed by others as something just as bad, if not worse, than what you were supposedly "punishing."

If you want to try to excuse the fragging of C-Hawk by crying about C-Hawk doing something waaaaay worse than you did (attacking an enemy HQ unopposed .. for shame!) that's fine. Some will support you. Some will admonish you. But in the end, you weren't the champion of right in a world gone wrong. You were just a silly fragger with an excuse. ;)
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Slash27 on June 19, 2003, 04:03:05 PM
Wow. That exchange with you and Steve was touching. You're so misunderstood.:rolleyes:

 So you claim to be a warrior for better game play. Im confused as to why you think acting the way you do would make people sit back and think" man, I really need to give this game my best". I have more than once seen people talk about how helpful you are with training, but since most of us have'nt had that pleasure, how would you have us take you?  Whatever its is your are trying to do, its coming off as someone who thrives on being a childish salamander who demands attention. Which is apparently OK behavior here and your list of cheerleaders is growing so maybe I've got it all wrong.

Sorry Sabre, missed your post:D
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Eagler on June 19, 2003, 04:10:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sabre
Okay kids...fights over; go home now.  Seriously, I think people need to drop this thread now.  Everyone knows what both camps think, and continued verbal fragging will serve no purpose but to further polarize the community.  It certainly won't change anyone's mind.

Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve


bah ... nm

will squelch the moron next time and not waste my breath

hail shane - master of the ct universe!
Title: Shane is killing countrymen
Post by: Skuzzy on June 19, 2003, 04:57:33 PM
There really is nothing good happening in this thread.