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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hangtime on January 15, 2001, 05:05:00 PM
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I've noticed a few more JABO sorties being flown lately, and even I'm finding myself hauling lotsa heavy iorn under my pony this tour.
I had an opportunity to set up a cap over a V-field the other evening, and was in P51 with a pair of 1k eggs and the six rockets. This field had just been captured by the other side; so it's Vhang was still smokin, but the acks were up.
Taking a chance; I called for a goon. When I got a 'one on the way' reply, I dropped down and used just 2 rockets to pop the aks.. and grabbed back up. Setting up a pylon turn at 10k over the vfield I watched the vhang for it's regen and kept an eye out for interference from the other side. Sure enuff; along comes a knit f6f and since he's lower and slower; I pulled a shallow dive towards him to get him defensive, then sucked him into a 'rope-a-dope' and MAN that pony comes over the top FAST at 2 notches of flap with all that extra weight.
Pulling down hard I get a clean planform shot and nailed the f6f, but now the VH is up.. and the guy I blew outta the f6f pops up in an ostie, parked next to the v-hanger. I toggle the weapons select, arm up the 1k's and head down to pop the hanger. Two on the kisser; and the V-field is closed down.
Goons gettin close now; and with that ostie there it could get ugly. I have some help arriving now.. another pony who's willing to keep the ostie busy while I set up a rocket attack. Down I come at 45 degerees; 400IAS, and I spit the last 4 off the rails using single fire at guns range. *KA-RUMP**KA-RUMP**KA-RUMP**KA-RUMP* Scratch one ostie.
Not even in WB's was Jabo so damn much fun. All thru beta I tried like hell to get some kind of accuracy or effectiveness outta rockets and eggs from fighters.. had dismal luck. Now; having done nothing diffrent that I can percieve in my attack method or line ups.. (same style I used for years over in WB's) ..I'm getting far more hits; and doing the damage I set out to do.
So; if yer like me; and had given up JABO in AH as just a fast way to get dead while overweight, give it another try. You'll find the rockets are in particular a heluva lotta fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders"
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I have been trying some jabo attacks by miself but with one bomb and few 20 mm's it's not that fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Yep, I only fly Lufwaffe planes. Call me stupid but I like flying for Lufwaffe only, it's bit like role play.
Please HTC, could you model Fw 190F-8?
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Dam again those luftwoffles start their whining....
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Staga Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
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Ahh..... Hang sees the light (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Jabo rules. Storm and I call fer a goon before we even roll (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
OK... that sounded kinda arrogant. I've got a good lawyer.
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JABO's great, just wish the Typhoon didn't suffer from one-ping radiator kills all the time.. pretty murderous. Ah well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And since JABO is the only way to get perk points for fighters, it makes more sense to JABO than to bomb, at least for now.
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Originally posted by -duma-:
JABO's great, just wish the Typhoon didn't suffer from one-ping radiator kills all the time.. pretty murderous. Ah well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And since JABO is the only way to get perk points for fighters, it makes more sense to JABO than to bomb, at least for now.
The one major problem with any water cooled engine. The classic one ping radiator hits were what made planes like the P-47 ideal for ground pounding. Obviously the Typhoons ground attack record speaks for itself. I wonder if it had been an air cooled engine if it would have been just that much better. I love those big 20's on the Typhoon and it's sooo smooth in the deck.
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The AKs have been doing extensive JABO lately. Its been a blast for us... not as fun for the other country (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Keeping the .50's on safe while I heat up the rockets for the osties and acks is truly a kick.
AKDejaVu
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Gotta second Jochen's request.
It's odd that the nation that introduced CAP in a widespread manner isn't represented with a JABO plane.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
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I find I can now take out the ack at a VH with the 109f. Done at a quiet base, it's possible to sneak goon in and capture. I've always stunk at jabo but with the latest ack de-aiming patch, I've been able to enjoy a little jabo in my favorite a2a ride.
Eagler
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It's odd that the nation that introduced CAP in a widespread manner isn't represented with a JABO plane.
can you explain "CAP" in this reference? I've always understood it to mean Combat Air Patrol (more defensive.. protecting an area). CAS is what I've interpreted to mean "Close Air Support".. or more of a JABO role.
Not claiming to be correct.. just confused. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Also, most of the footage I have seen of JABO with German planes involved an aircraft with 1 bomb. Is this not currently represented in the game? Once again.. just a question.
AKDejaVu
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The CHAWG rules in this area,bombs, rockets,and cannons!!! Cannons really breaks things nicely (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Those V- hangers explode nicely when using cannons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Im alot better at jabo than I am at dogfighting so if ya see me online ask me to bomb something (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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SKRBROFR
27TH SENTAI
ARMED RECCE UNIT
[This message has been edited by rickod (edited 01-16-2001).]
[This message has been edited by rickod (edited 01-16-2001).]
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OOPd, thanks deja, a P sneaked in where an S should have been. Mea culpa, I stand corrected, yer right.
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About films/jabo's. I've seen films of both, and historical facts are that there were 190's that were specialized for JABO. With LW being a major player, don't ya think it's odd that we have no real JABO planes, and the Americans have the P-38, DHOG, CHOG, 2*P-47 and P-51?
The VVS have it even worse.
I sincerely hope HTC will rectify this soon, but by the looks of it, we'll get *more* allied groundpounders, further skewing the balance.
Well, that was the whine part of this post heheh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 01-16-2001).]
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Can someone (jabo geek & expert if possible) please tell me how to hit something with rockets and bombs OTHER than using a 90 degree dive over the target? Its quite hard for my neuron depleted brain to comprehend how to jabo without using "death from above" dive bombing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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there was a very good site posted awhile back that i have and use to great effect its not listed at the ht web page tho I could email it and directions to anyone who asks
I hit 85% of the time the times that i dont hit are because i hurried and didnt setup the shot correctly
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Skrbrofr
27TH SENTAI
ARMED RECCE UNIT
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About films/jabo's. I've seen films of both, and historical facts are that there were 190's that were specialized for JABO. With LW being a major player, don't ya think it's odd that we have no real JABO planes, and the Americans have the P-38, DHOG, CHOG, 2*P-47 and P-51?
Actually... I would like to see more JABO planes for all sides.
The thing that I believe is being missed is that 1 bomb JABO was very real in WW2 for both sides. I believe things are slightly flawed as far as bomb proximity/destruction of vehicles go. On the other side of the coin, I also believe that people expect it to be very easy to kill a tank given a bomb. I wonder how many multiple tank kills a single pilot had during a single sortie in WW2. I think getting a tank would be an event in and of itself.
As far as why the American planes are modeled for JABO... they aren't. The Americans had better multi-role capability than the Germans. We introduced fighters that could also JABO. I'd like to see JABO only aircraft too, but expect them to get slaughtered in the arena that is dominated by fighters. Their only real role would be in scenarios. It just doesn't seem to me that HTC is prioritizing these type of planes. Basically, they are falling into the same category as early war aircraft.
It just seems that in WW2, people had to make due with what they had. If their plane only carried one bomb, they made due with that bomb. Here, people complain until they get a plane that makes things easier for them. Basically, I'd like to see people use even the LW planes a little more historically too.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Basically, I'd like to see people use even the LW planes a little more historically too.
AKDejaVu
Is the meaning of this you would like to LW use A-8 against 35k buffs or what? Use G-10 only against P-51D and P-47 because Spit IX was out of battle-use when G-10 came in and R.A.F don't have late war Spits yet? Maybe your point is we should use G-2 only against La-5 'cause its in Finnish markings and there were no P-51s or B-17s in Finnish front? Maybe you could be more specific next time?
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The thread is about jabo staga. No need to get defensive.
AKDejaVu
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You got me wrong; I was offensive.
Are you telling you just throwed that up in the air but not gonna specify what you meant?
Still waiting that answer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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AK, when I say JABO, I mean JagdBomber. I.e fighter-bomber. Aka a plane like the F/A-18 Hornet or F-16 Falcon that, after dropping eggs, is a very capable fighter.
I am not talking ground attack only aircraft. And what I'm saying is the ground capabilities of the yanks is incredible in this game. The commies have the worst (none) and even the Japs are better off than the Jerries.
So I am wondering if, given all these JABO capable planes for the US, asking for a LW one *before adding another allied JABO*, is too much to ask for. It seems HTC will now focus on perk planes, so a G8 is not likely for some time.
I'm not complaining because it is hard to bomb in the 190 - it ain't. I'm simply stating that nearly all US planes have extensive ground pounder capabilities whereas the Russkies and LW does not, and I'd like to see this imbalance corrected simply by adding *one* (1) plane to VVS and LW that can carry more than one egg.
Regarding rocket/bombs and tanks, I've read accounts from Wehrmacht tank crew that they feared the allied airpower much more than they feared allied armour - basically, allied pilots quickly gained skill in panzer plonking and got really good at it really quick. I still miss now and then, especially when diving after ostwinds that open up on me, so I think that part is well modelled. Your mileage may vary of course.
Hope this explains my position yet manages NOT to be a total whine; dinnae mean to be a baby.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
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Staga, you need to work on that a bit.. your reply was as defensive as they get. Once you start saying "what about...", that's defensive.
What I am refering to is the fact that there are LW planes right now that carry ordinance. I just don't recal the last time I saw one try to bomb a tank.
Like I said, virtually all LW JABO footage I've seen has been from fighters with 1 egg.
St.Santa, I am not familiar with LW aircraft enough to have any idea what you are talking about with the variant you mentioned. What kind of payload did it have?
That said, how many of the F4u variants had large ammounts of external stores? How many of the P-47 had the same? The truth is that the US fighters modeled had better JABO modeling regardless of variant (well.. F4u-1C is a notable exception). Basically, HTC did not model American JABO craft. They modeled American planes. Who's fault is it that they were more versatile than their LW counterparts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
It seems you want to pick a specific variant to meet the LW needs. I don't have a problem with that at all... I'm all for giving the LW pilots something to do. You guys were left in the cv dust trail. Time to get you back in the fight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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I didn't see that "What about" in my post but if that makes you happy...
Why would anyone use LW iron to destroy a tank with 1 quite small bomb (No error marginal)and useless guns when you can take a C-Hog with 2*1000lb which kills if tank is close hit point. After that you still have lots of Hispano-rounds to "share" with another panzers, osties and planes.
How's that ?
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Staga, your whole post pointed out other a-historical aspects of the sim. That's, in effect, saying "what about...". Of course, those were all fighter and bomber examples in a jabo thread.
Why would anyone use LW iron to destroy a tank with 1 quite small bomb (No error marginal)and useless guns when you can take a C-Hog with 2*1000lb which kills if tank is close hit point. After that you still have lots of Hispano-rounds to "share" with another panzers, osties and planes.
Because they like to fly LW planes exclusively? If that's not the case, then why would you even bother to post in regards to LW JABO? I know I'm not currently flying the best JABO plane available because I'm more commited to a specific plane. I have flown the P-47 on a couple planned-missions, but that is about the extent of it.
I've noticed that alot of the flyers from Finland have an attraction to LW aircraft. The question is wether or not they are commited enough to stick to their planes through thick and thin, or are simply all talk (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Yah deja, you've got my sentiment exactly right; the LW and VVS have been left behind and it could to some extent be solved by introducing easy-to-model variants of existing fighters.
I mean, two 1k eggs, lots of panzer piercing 20mm ammo, 4-10 rockets. Compared to non piercing 20mm, 1 250/500kg bomb. Would be nice to carry more than one egg.
I hope that future maps will not have such a heavy focus on naval warfare and that it rather be relegated to an equal status with land war. Personal preference, but as worthy as anyone elses who pay $30 a month (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
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190A5,A8, all 109 models can carry a centerline bomb more than capable of destroying a tank if you hit it directly.
This is just another feeble luftwhine attempt. <BFG>
-SW
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Dejavu I'm not flying in Luftwaffe but in Knightland.
If needed to intercept I'll pick G-10, to tankbusting C-Hog, to dogfight Zero, To bomb what ever looks it could handle the job etc.
Yeah, Talking is cheap (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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btw Deja, As you can see I'm from Finland but I cant see how it should affect the plane I choose to fly if what you typed was for me?
Guess I'm just too dumb to see it ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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I've noticed that alot of the flyers from Finland have an attraction to LW aircraft. The question is wether or not they are commited enough to stick to their planes through thick and thin, or are simply all talk
I am from Finland and I only fly Luftwaffe planes... Me and Staga are in same squad but staga can and will fly whatever he likes, it's only me who is obsessed with Lufwaffe planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for commitment... I dont know, it just suits me to only fly planes of specific nationality. Different things for different folks I guess?
I know Fw 190F-8 was not a plane built in big numbers but it had huge meaning for Lufwaffe in eastern front. With Panzerblitz rockets and underwing bomb racks it would be nice plane here also and get some use too. And I know we will get it, someday (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Wulfe, my point is that a single chog can take out at least three ostwinds without using its cannons. ANY LW plane can take out maximum one.
It's frustrating when you're striking targets and everyone in the squad hit with their eggs, first vh, then any ostwinds, and still we're one egg short.
Unlike the Hispanos equipped planes, we cannot make some dangeous gun runs and expect success.
You try taking yer whole squad and loading only one egg every time ya try to capture a base and you'll see what I mean (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
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Santa, once again you are revising history. The Luftwaffe used the term Jabo for ANY single-engined fighter carrying a bomb. To say that AH has no German Jabos is false.
We still need an Fw 190F-8 though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 01-17-2001).]
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Depending on the mood of the day, I'll fly the A8 with an Egg. Kills a Tank if you drop on it, and oh... German Bombs are in Kgs, not Lbs... so it is actualy a 1K Lbs egg !
I wouldn't mind Rockets tho, but I don't know if the LW had any Anti-Tank Rockets on these planes...
Trying to shoot something other than an M3 is suicide tho...even with the 30mm (yeah yeah, I know, it's HE not AP...)
Take what you have and use it !
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As for VVS , additional planes are welcome :-), but in RL(tm) Yak modifications and La5 were capable to carry eggs.
Gie
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Ehm funked, I am saying "specialized for JABO". Meaning G8.
And you know very well waht the hell I mean, inferior allied pile of dogpoo, so stop being on my 6!
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
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Trust me, you want the F-8 not the G-8.