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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -deft- on August 29, 1999, 03:16:00 AM
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Ahh lets beat this thread to death (it still has a pulse)
Puuuuuleease concentrate on one theatre and one threatre only. Model as many planes and varients of such in as much detail as possible. THEN, and only THEN move onto another theatre.
Nip the silly WB SL aircraft substituition right in the butt early.
FW's fightin zekes, spits fighting mustangs, p40's fighting f4f's........... blah I think you have done that already.
Deft
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Let's try Afrika and med front
Axis:
LW - Bf 109E-7
LW - Bf 109F-4/Trop (Uh, forgot this initially (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
LW - Bf 109G-2
LW - Bf 110E-4
LW - Ju 52m3
LW - Ju 87D
LW - Ju 88
LW - Fw 190A-4 (very late in conflict)
Someone more familiar with Italian AF (Reggia Aeronautica?) can submit essential Italian planes.
Allied
RAF - Hurricane I
RAF - Hurricane IIC
RAF - Hurricane IID
RAF - Tomahawk (P-40)
RAF - Kittyhawk (P-40)
RAF - Spitfire Mk.Vc
RAF - Spitfire Mk.IXc (very late in conflict)
RAF - Blenheim
RAF - Boston
USAAF - P-38E Lightning
USAAF - B-24 Liberator
With these planes it should be fairly easy to recreate almost any conflict that was fought in Afrika.
Many planes could be used in different theaters also.
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Obfr. jochen 'Stern von Afrika' 2./ Jagdgeschwader 27 'Afrika'
[This message has been edited by Jochen (edited 08-30-1999).]
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Naw.
the luftwafles practicly own that other sim with all thier whines and rants. how about we go PAC only. Then we could have all the IJA/IJN planes, P40's, P39's, F4F, Brewsters, TBD, TBF, SBD, S2BC, F6F-3, F6F-5, F6F-5N, P51, P47, P38, B24, B25, B17, B26.... Spit Vb, Hurrican and on and on.
(yes i remember the USA stuff better but I know the IJA/IJN list would be as long or longer)
we don't need no stinking luftwafles.
shdo
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Pac only? Yawn!
1. No large and famous cities to bomb (London, Berlin, Moscow, Paris)
2. Less ground activity, no large industrial facilities (Ruhr valley).
3. Less nations in the conflict, basically just U.S. and Japan. In the ETO on the other hand you have Brits, LW, French, Italians, U.S., Russians, etc.
4. HTC already stated that there wouldn t be CVs in the first release. Can you imagine a PAC scenario without CVs? That would be an even bigger YAWN! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sascha
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Pacific aircraft bring my dollars.
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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X
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Hi Jochen!
Here the planes for the italian Regia Aeronautica, absolutely essential for the African and med theatre:
Fiat CR42
Fiat G50 (mmmhh, better no, please...)
Macchi MC200
Macchi MC202
Macchi MC205 (what a fighter!)
Siai Marchetti SM79 (the famous "Damned Huntcback"), both bomber and torpedo
v-twin
4°Stormo Caccia
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(groan) Here we go with the "where's my plane" thing again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Where's the Brewster Buffalo crowd? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(g,d,r)
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We want North Africa, Malta and Russia. No more PTO, North Europe and BoB .... please!
-gatt-
4° Stormo Caccia
WarBirds
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 08-31-1999).]
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Russian Front - groups of disorganised planes flying low level ground attack - sounds like online flight sims to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"We", gatt? Speak for yourself please. North Africa would be nice, but I do enjoy my Big Blue Iron.
-Andy
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Two words
BLACK WIDOW
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Rick "Firefox" Scott
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Why not just go from theatre to theatre like deft said? Get all those airplanes, get everyone happy or as close to as possible.
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Jouster [SE]
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Maybe because the ETO theatre utilized at least 100 different types of planes in itself? If you put off the PTO theater for the ETO theater, the ETO guys will never let go of the notion that the ETO "isn't complete yet" - not for years. It's a bunk notion to begin with and I doubt seriously that HiTech and the gang are so lopsided in their viewpoint. PTO is where the war was won - I doubt anyone feels it should be neglected in the self proclaimed 'sim-to-end-all-sims'.
Bring on the PTO (http://www.halcyon.com/msbinder/images/evilwink.gif)
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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X
[This message has been edited by Windle (edited 08-31-1999).]
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Hmm..I just remembered the first AH screenshots and guess what? There's a 109 G-10 in one of them. Now is that a clue to what theatre of operations the planes in the first AH release will be from? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
On second thought my guess is that HTC won't stick to one theatre. If they did they'd make a large group of potential players unhappy - one way or the other.
Just out of curiosity: How was it done in "that other sim"? Did the first release include planes from ETO AND PTO?
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
[This message has been edited by Sascha JG 77 (edited 09-01-1999).]
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Brick,
sorry, I'd rather have said: "not only PTO and ETO ... ".
Anyway, the three theaters of ops I mentioned are very interesting and neglected in recent sims.
P.S.: you look very susceptible ... cool down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Regards,
-gatt-
4°Stormo Caccia
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 09-01-1999).]
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Now, I know it's mostly a USA market when it comes to a game like this, based in the US State of Texas, so I know my choice has an snowball's chance in Hell, but here goes:
RUSSIAN FRONT:
1. Where over 60% of the LW was destroyed.
2. Where the Germans lost the initiative.
3. Where the Germans lost the war.
Of course, I fully understand the lack of popularity for the Russian Front in the USA, especially when considering the USA's not inconsiderable efforts in Europe, coupled with their dominant role in the PTO. Suffice to say I did it on principle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 09-01-1999).]
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 09-01-1999).]
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You are all full of self-promoting hot air :-P
At least DEFT's suggestion was not biased towards his personal pet-AC.
The reason this topic is beat to death is because very few of us can get over our own little predjudices. Personnaly if it as realistic as possible, balanced, and fun to fly I don't care what they model.
val
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Scott (val) Valline
Dweebs of Death
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Val,
Quit making sense. You're takin all the fun out of it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cya up there
Apeboy
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Leonid, Juzz, YES!!!
Russian front would be perfect for WB.
Planes taking off and killing vehicles and troops rolling onto their airfield.
Fighters taking off and finding combat within 5 minutes and finding the front within 15 minutes.
Nearly all bombers operating at very low level, with fighters being sucked down to help.
Aircraft from Germany, USSR, UK, USA, Italy.
Not a game - this is what the Russian front was like. We can have our Quakebirds and our Historical Accuracy at the same time!
Also there is not so much of the terror bombing seen in the European Front. I can get excited about blowing up tanks, but not about bombing women and children.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-01-1999).]
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Thanks val (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Maybe 'theatres' is to big.
This isn't about 'wheres my plane', its
about getting an event right. Running a
historically accurate smidgeon of WWII with
all the correct a/c and no substitutions.
The mix of aircraft in warbirds, scoring
methods, and layout lead to air combat that
is anything but historically accurate. This
also includes historically inaccurate
numerical porportions. A prime example
is 'jet day' (last day of rps) in which you
see an endless parade of 262's.
I'm not lookin for a sim that puts me in my
pet ride. I'm lookin for one that puts me
'there'. Historical matchups, complete plane
choices for the event depicted, and proper
loadout/armament selections.
course thats just me.
-deft-
but, in the off chance that PYRO is scanning
this message ....
N Africa
P40 w/ 40mm cannon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And lots of tanks
[This message has been edited by -deft- (edited 09-01-1999).]
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Sorry gatt... was a little wound up at work at the moment. No offense. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'd love the chance to remove you from your fine Italian-built plane. hehehee... more like, I'd love to parachute from a USAAF plane for the 30,000th time. I'm quite good at dying the glorious death.
No matter what they start with, end with, or leave out, this looks like it's going to be some fun!
-Andy
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Since we clearly can't please everybody, let's make the choice that will probably p*ss off the greatest number of people at once and go with the CBI. :P
Flathat
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CBI, YESSS!!!!!!!!!
P-40B(C) and E with Chinese Markings (And Disneys Flying Tiger on the Side) Sand and Spinach Coloring. NO FUNKY COLORED NOSE CONES!!!!!.
Ki-43.
Claude.
Betty.
Dinah? Japanese four engine bomber?
Brewster Buffalo (RAAF I Think)
Hurricane (British)
There was also a twin engine Japanese fighter that the AVG Thought was a fast bomber, but I don't remember the designation off the top of my head.
C-47.
B-25 (As Targets for the IJA.)
I believe they shot up a couple B-17s also on the ground.
Mt. Everest, the Burma Road, and Salween River (Bridges to bomb, canyons to fly through.)
Rangoon, Kwelin, Mingladon.
IJA No Radar, No Radios.
Brits, Aussies, and Yanks (AVG) Radios and Radar.
The Chinese had some Curtiss Byplanes (I don't remember their designation either, and some old slow RUssian Bombers)
And the best of all, you wouldn't need strategy, because there really wasn't any.
(I know it doesn't sound fun to the rest of you, but I want the P-40.)
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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After all, p40's in china were the first
US aircraft to fire rockets in combat. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Deft
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Hey!!!!
my Granddad was in the cbi!
im all for it!. There you can get a great mix of early and late american ijn and even some brit planes.
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Sascha JG 77 wrote:
3. Less nations in the conflict, basically just U.S. and Japan.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Umm, i dont think so. Australian, New Zealanders, Dutch, Free French, and British forces were also there in the Pacific.
I would like to see a Mediterean or Pacific/Burma theatre concentration if I had to pick one.
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P/O kkoori
75 Squadron RAAF Australia
Australian Aboriginal Soldiers Homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/6545
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A B-17!
(http://www.planesoffame.org/images/B17a.jpg)
But I guess it's already in the sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
A B-24!
(http://www.fix.net/%7Erviar/images/Scan19.jpg)
Be to cool! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
B-25's of all types
(http://www.hawkmodels.com/ubb/smile.gif)
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Six-pk
450th Bombardment Group (Heavy)
The 'Cottontails'[/b]
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I've gotta post my two cents backing Windle. I can't believe you guys are starting a sim without a F4u or an F6F...
Although I could have fun in a CBI scenario...
And I keep finding references in my reading to a P39-N, a stripped-down, faster, shorter legged variant. Any other interested parties?
-cybr-
Who logs off WB if Blue planes aren't available.