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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on June 24, 2003, 01:19:32 AM
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According to CNN, a Predator drone fired on cars possibly carrying top Iraqis. One Pentagon official said that before the attack there was "at least a hope" that Saddam or his sons might have been in the convoy.
Why are they trying to kill Saddam Hussein?
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Originally posted by Nash
Why are they trying to kill Saddam Hussein?
Why not?
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News flash: US has been after Saddams head since the begining of their little war.. erm... live battle test range.
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Those drones are armed now? Didn't know that.
I wonder when they are going to come here & hire the remote pileits for those... ;)
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Originally posted by Russian
"Why not?"
why?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Those drones are armed now? Didn't know that.
I wonder when they are going to come here & hire the remote pileits for those... ;)
They have been armed since early in the afghan war. Apparently one of them actually had Mullah Omar's personal vehicle in its sights waiting to fire but the military was not yet clear on what they were allowed to do wrt such attacks and so had to consult pentagon lawyers on the matter, in the meantime they lost track of Omar.. :(
Nash it would be nice to kill Saddam, plus it's likely they just destroyed certain vehicles in the convoy by air - in fact we know ground units were involved in the action right after the airstrikes. Our soldiers even chased some of the convoy riders into syrian territory which caused a minor skirmish with syrian border gurds some of who were wounded and are still being treated by US Army medics.
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Originally posted by Nash
Why are they trying to kill Saddam Hussein?
Because Saddam Hussein is a madman, presumably still in control of some fraction of armed terrorists (ex iraqi military) and possibly still with access to wmd's.
He is still a threat to us, and he is DEFINITIVELY a threat to US forces in Iraq.
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Because Saddam Hussein is a madman, presumably still in control of some fraction of armed terrorists (ex iraqi military) and possibly still with access to wmd's.
Yes. if he "still" has access to WMD´s i think he would have used them by now, after all hes an madman...
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Originally posted by Maniac
Yes. if he "still" has access to WMD´s i think he would have used them by now, after all hes an madman...
Yes, and "reasonable logic" is applicable on insane persons since when?
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Originally posted by Nash
Why are they trying to kill Saddam Hussein?
Its common practice for U.S to assasinate/eliminate leaders/ex-leaders of the other countries.
Not sure how correct this list is but if even 1/3:rd is right... wtg :)
1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950s,1962 - Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
1953 - Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 - Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959, 1963, 1969 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1960 - Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1950s-70s - José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
1960s - Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 - Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s, 1981 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-1986 - Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 - Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
1983 - Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1998, 2001-2 - Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant
1999 - Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia
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1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
Good call! :D
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Yes, and "reasonable logic" is applicable on insane persons since when?
We could argue on forever about what "reasonable logic" is in this case...
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So Saddam Hussein has the WMD in the back of his car, ready to be deployed at 45 minutes notice?
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Originally posted by Dowding
So Saddam Hussein has the WMD in the back of his car, ready to be deployed at 45 minutes notice?
Was that what I said?
My bet is that they are hidden somewhere, and Saddam Hussein knows where. Now I have no idea exactly where they are hidden and how... But if there is ANYONE who knows where they are, it is SH.
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Maybe he ate beans and some spicy iraqi food before that car trip?
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My bet is that they are hidden somewhere, and Saddam Hussein knows where. Now I have no idea exactly where they are hidden and how... But if there is ANYONE who knows where they are, it is SH.
Maybe the correct tactic would be to try to capture him alive then?
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Nah. The important thing here is threat-neutralization.
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Nah. The important thing here is threat-neutralization.
Yeah thats good logic.
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Yeah, I think so too. Thanks.
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Hmm, according to Staga, if any leader of any country is asassinated, the U.S. was to blame. Think he's been living next door to Weazel too long.
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Originally posted by Staga
1957 - Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
LOL!!
So the americans were behind that one huh? Care to explain the logic behind that?
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Dont forget.
1986 - Olof Palme
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Patrice Lubumba was not assasinated by the US per se.
he was dragged out of the airplane oh his return to Elisabeth Ville (Kinshassa), put in a Jeep... driven off to a nearby jungle patch, beaten to pulp and then shot in the head by Mobutu's men.
this is not the official version, but from an eye witness I can trust.
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I didn't see John F. Kennedy being mentioned...
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Those drones are armed now? Didn't know that.
I wonder when they are going to come here & hire the remote pileits for those... ;)
I think they use Hellfire missiles like the Apache.
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Originally posted by Fishu
I didn't see John F. Kennedy being mentioned...
Lee Harvey Oswald had a magic bullet Fishu, everybody knows that ;)
And what about is brother.
Witnesses say they heard 7 or 8 shots being fired.
The presumed assassin was using a revolver?
How did he have the time to recharge?
Was security that crappy?
Or did he get shot by a security guard standing behind him?
A photographer's photos were taken and never given back too.
Maybe they showed something some people didnt want the world to see or maybe they just got lost :rolleyes:
Lots of suspicions, not many answers.
Someday we will know, when everyone involved is 6 feet under so they cant be punished. :mad:
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Originally posted by Staga
Its common practice for U.S to assasinate/eliminate leaders/ex-leaders of the other countries.
Not sure how correct this list is but if even 1/3:rd is right... wtg :)
1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950s,1962 - Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
1953 - Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 - Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959, 1963, 1969 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1960 - Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1950s-70s - José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
1960s - Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 - Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s, 1981 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-1986 - Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 - Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
1983 - Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1998, 2001-2 - Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant
1999 - Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia
mmm doesn't look like they suceeded very often
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Here is your answer Nash.
By David Anthony Denny
Washington File Staff Writer
Washington -- Those who supported the Clinton administration's armed interventions in Bosnia, Haiti and Kosovo have even more reason to support a U.S.-led war with Iraq, according to Brookings scholar Kenneth Pollack.
During an abbreviated digital video conference (DVC) March 14 with three State Department posts in India, Pollack argued that the case for armed intervention in Iraq on humanitarian grounds is as strong or stronger than those instances when President Clinton ordered U.S. military intervention during the 1990s. Pollack, who now is director of research at the Brookings Institution's Saban Center for Middle East Policy, is the author of "The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq." He was previously director of Gulf affairs at the National Security Council during the Clinton administration, and before that was a CIA military analyst for the Persian Gulf. He holds a doctorate in political science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Pollack asserts that Saddam Hussein is one of the worst tyrants of the past 50 years. He notes that the United Nations' Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in Iraq says that Saddam Hussein's regime is comparable to the World War II-era Soviet Union under Stalin and Nazi Germany under Hitler. Saddam Hussein is reputed to have killed more than a million Iraqis -- his own people -- a figure which must be compared with Iraq's population of about 24 million. Pollack also notes that Saddam Hussein is considered to have attempted genocide against both Iraqi Kurds and Marsh Arabs, which constitute crimes against humanity.
In addition to the human rights considerations, of course, Pollack emphasized the strategic rationale for armed intervention -- Saddam Hussein's possession of biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and his ongoing, decades-long quest to develop or acquire nuclear weapons. Pollack considers Saddam Hussein uniquely dangerous among contemporary rulers for his view of nuclear weapons not as a defensive assurance against outside attack, but rather as an offensive enabling factor allowing him to pursue a foreign policy of aggression and conquest.
Pollack emphasized to his Indian audience that having nuclear weapons per se is not the problem. He sees India's possession of nuclear weapons, or Britain's, as non-threatening, because the governments are not expansionist or aggressive. But Saddam Hussein, by contrast, wants nuclear weapons so that Iraq can become a superpower, can control the Persian Gulf's oil and can destroy Israel. And, Pollack says, with nuclear weapons in his arsenal, he believes even the United States would be unable to effectively prevent his accomplishing those goals. Saddam Hussein's brother is famously noted as saying Iraq needs nuclear weapons in order to have a strong hand in re-drawing the map of the Middle East, Pollack said.
A questioner from Calcutta asked why war with Iraq must happen now since containment was working with U.N. inspectors in Iraq. Pollack answered that containment was not working, but failing. For instance, he said, Iraq has increased its smuggling from $300 million a year several years ago to $3 billion ($3,000 million) in 2002, enabling Saddam Hussein to acquire almost everything he needs militarily. Pollack also insisted that containment only seems to be working now because both the Security Council members and Saddam Hussein himself recognize the presence of 250,000 U.S. and coalition forces in the Persian Gulf region ready to force Saddam Hussein's hand if he does not cooperate.
Moreover, Pollack said, for containment to be effective, it must last 10-20-30 years -- the life of the current regime, including not only Saddam Hussein but also his sons, who are likely successors. Finally, the United States is not hearing anything from France or Russia that would lead it to believe either country is serious about containment, Pollack said.
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As a military leader Hussein is a legitimate military target.
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I read on the internet that they killed Gumby's horse, Pokey, too... bastards.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I read on the internet that they killed Gumby's horse, Pokey, too... bastards.
Damn, Gumby was never a threat to the United States. It;s just redikulus!
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Originally posted by Imp
I think they use Hellfire missiles like the Apache.
This Washington Post (http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Apr-19-Thu-2001/news/15903646.html) report from April 2001 has some Predator info. Predators were not designed for attack. The X-45A (http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewsReleases/2002/02-60.html) is a true UCAV with a 3000 lb weapons payload. Look for these bad boys in combat soon. (http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/X-45A/Small/EC02-0295-1.jpg)
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saddam is the leader of the iraq freedom fighters jihad, and saddam is trying to free the oppressed people of iraq from the yoke of the imperial oil crusader infidels of the boosh/channy/halburton oil cartel.
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Originally posted by Staga
Its common practice for U.S to assasinate/eliminate leaders/ex-leaders of the other countries.
1959, 1963, 1969 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
Wow, we killed this guy 3 seperate times over a 10 year period? Must have been really bad.
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
Yup, we assasinated him good....
Staga, where'd you get that list from? Sounds to me like someone fed you some bad poop.
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That list is even funnier than the "Mysterious deaths around Clinton" list.
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What about Kenny from South Park?:rolleyes:
:D
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Originally posted by AWMac
What about Kenny from South Park?:rolleyes:
:D
They killed Kenny?.....
When?
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OMG THEY KILLED KENNY!
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Those Bastards!
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Originally posted by funkedup
OMG THEY KILLED KENNY!
Back on Air Warrior we had a scenario where a very large group of B17's were being escorted deep to Berlin. I know this really dosnt have anything to do with Kenny, but we had a fellow with the cpid Kny flying with us. There was a graphics glitch that caused his B17 to be viewed as a parachute. If you have played AW you will recall that when you bailed out you screamed all the way down. Anyhow try flying in formation with a Chute screaming Ahhhhh ahhhhh ahhhhhh ahhhhh ahhhhh all the way to berlin :)
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Originally posted by Krusher
Back on Air Warrior we had a scenario where a very large group of B17's were being escorted deep to Berlin. I know this really dosnt have anything to do with Kenny, but we had a fellow with the cpid Kny flying with us. There was a graphics glitch that caused his B17 to be viewed as a parachute. If you have played AW you will recall that when you bailed out you screamed all the way down. Anyhow try flying in formation with a Chute screaming Ahhhhh ahhhhh ahhhhhh ahhhhh ahhhhh all the way to berlin :)
Thats too funny lol.
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Originally posted by Krusher
Anyhow try flying in formation with a Chute screaming Ahhhhh ahhhhh ahhhhhh ahhhhh ahhhhh all the way to berlin :)
I never bailed in AW. Sounded to *****!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Here is your answer Nash.
Why of course!.. we need to kill Saddam cuz Clinton told us to. :eek: