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Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 24, 2003, 08:02:55 PM
So here I am in my Typhoon diving in on an enemy field to pork their fuel, I'm doing 425mph. Naturally, there is an LA7 flying towards me from my 1 oc, at about 1.5k below me. No sweat I think. I let the rockets go, and at around 440mph I pull the nose into a 2000fpm climb and kick in wep. I look behind me and the LA7 has pulled a 180 and come in on my 6 at 1.6d. Next thing I know he is closeing on me. How the hell does he do a climbing 180, from lower alt, and gain on me at over 400mph? He had to be breaking the sound barrier prior to his 180.

The F4U-C is perked at 8 perks, yet this plane can't get out of it own way. The LA7 is free of perk cost to unbalance gameplay with this kind of uber performance. A sucky situation in my book.

End of rant!  :rolleyes:
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 24, 2003, 08:50:28 PM
No, that won't work. He was about 1.5k lower than me, I pulled out of my dive at about his alt.

Then again, maybe he saw me start my dive from 14k some 5 miles away, dove from 10k with wep on, then flew level to the merg, did a 15g turn in total black out perfectly timed to be eyes open dead on my vector.

My point is, any plane that can flat turn almost 180 degrees, and still keep pace, and catch a plane zooming at 450mph on wep is arena unbalancing if left free of perk cost.

Either perk the damn thing, or let us hang bombs on the 262 fer crips sake.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2003, 09:16:59 PM
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Originally posted by AKWeav
No, that won't work. He was about 1.5k lower than me, I pulled out of my dive at about his alt.

Then again, maybe he saw me start my dive from 14k some 5 miles away, dove from 10k with wep on, then flew level to the merg, did a 15g turn in total black out perfectly timed to be eyes open dead on my vector.

My point is, any plane that can flat turn almost 180 degrees, and still keep pace, and catch a plane zooming at 450mph on wep is arena unbalancing if left free of perk cost.

Either perk the damn thing, or let us hang bombs on the 262 fer crips sake.


I do it all the time...and I don't fly the La7 :).
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 24, 2003, 09:46:28 PM
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I do it all the time...and I don't fly the La7 .


Perk Nobaddy!;)
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: cobia38 on June 24, 2003, 11:30:49 PM
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Originally posted by AKWeav
No, that won't work. He was about 1.5k lower than me, I pulled out of my dive at about his alt.

Then again, maybe he saw me start my dive from 14k some 5 miles away, dove from 10k with wep on, then flew level to the merg, did a 15g turn in total black out perfectly timed to be eyes open dead on my vector.

My point is, any plane that can flat turn almost 180 degrees, and still keep pace, and catch a plane zooming at 450mph on wep is arena unbalancing if left free of perk cost.

Either perk the damn thing, or let us hang bombs on the 262 fer crips sake.

     
  oooohhhhh I like the bombs on the 262 idea :D
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: udet on June 24, 2003, 11:38:26 PM
La7 is notorious for retaining energy in high-G turns.
:p
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: pugg666 on June 25, 2003, 12:13:11 AM
how far into his reversal was he when you saw him at 1 oclock low?

just mean to say myself and i'm sure a few others have been deceived by percieved energy states, and never underestimate the acceleration of some planes in the game.

I've found that depending on your approach, jabo's are very easy to intercept even with a disadvantage in alt.

of course this all depends on skill level? perhaps he looked at dar and realized you where the only con in the area and planned accordingly(ya i feel nasty equating la7 and skill too)

anyways i've found the plane set balances out fairly well if you fly smart, wich i don't most of the time.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 25, 2003, 05:47:58 AM
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how far into his reversal was he when you saw him at 1 oclock low?


Seemed he didn't start his turn until he was at my 3 oc. When he followed my zoom, he was 1.6d. That range shortly started dropping.

The whole point of this is there are far too many LA7's in the MA. Back when the Chog and Nik were uber, people were ranting about them. The result was Chog got perked, and a whole lot of weight added to it. The Nik had it's flight model reworked. I just think it's time for a few perks on the La7 so it isn't so prevelant.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: ergRTC on June 25, 2003, 07:52:27 AM
<--- making ufo sound
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: Mini D on June 25, 2003, 07:53:32 AM
CHog's accounted for 30% of the kills in the MA before it was perked.  The La-7 accounts for about 9%.  What was the comparison again?

MiniD
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: gofaster on June 25, 2003, 08:26:23 AM
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Originally posted by AKWeav
Either perk the damn thing, or let us hang bombs on the 262 fer crips sake.


How about:

"Perk the Typhoon so the fuel porkers will actually have to learn how to bomb."

Right now the LA-7 is the best answer to 425+ i.a.s. airfield jabo pilots.  As it is, the advantage lies with the jabo planes since they're on offense.  You completed your bomb run uncontested, right?  So what you're really complaining about is that you actually were shot down on pull-out instead of being able to swing around and strafe uncontested. :rolleyes:

If anything, perk the Typhoon.
Title: Re: Wtf?!
Post by: Rude on June 25, 2003, 08:41:50 AM
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Originally posted by AKWeav
So here I am in my Typhoon diving in on an enemy field to pork their fuel, I'm doing 425mph. Naturally, there is an LA7 flying towards me from my 1 oc, at about 1.5k below me. No sweat I think. I let the rockets go, and at around 440mph I pull the nose into a 2000fpm climb and kick in wep. I look behind me and the LA7 has pulled a 180 and come in on my 6 at 1.6d. Next thing I know he is closeing on me. How the hell does he do a climbing 180, from lower alt, and gain on me at over 400mph? He had to be breaking the sound barrier prior to his 180.

The F4U-C is perked at 8 perks, yet this plane can't get out of it own way. The LA7 is free of perk cost to unbalance gameplay with this kind of uber performance. A sucky situation in my book.

End of rant!  :rolleyes:


Quit leading the witnesses counselor.....you obviously got out flown by a superior fighter dood...I rest my case.:)
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: Sikboy on June 25, 2003, 08:50:14 AM
Moral of the Story: Don't Fly a Tampoon.

:) Just sayin

-Sik
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: SlapShot on June 25, 2003, 09:26:01 AM
"The result was Chog got perked, and a whole lot of weight added to it."

Wrong ... they didn't add weight to PORK the plane as you allude to, they added weight to CORRECT the modeled weight.
Title: Re: Wtf?!
Post by: RacrX on June 25, 2003, 03:21:56 PM
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Originally posted by AKWeav


The F4U-C is perked at 8 perks


You must be bish, they cost me 10-12 perks :p
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 25, 2003, 05:26:18 PM
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So what you're really complaining about is that you actually were shot down on pull-out


No, I'm whinning that an unperked low alt plane on the deck can do a hard g turn and catch a plane starting a zoom at 450mph.

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Wrong ... they didn't add weight to PORK the plane as you allude to


I said nothing about why the weight was added, I only mentioned it because the plane is now a slug, and yet it's perked, as in to ask the question why the La7 is not.

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You must be bish, they cost me 10-12 perks


As a mater of fact I am. Just though I'd give the Nits (in this case) a taste of their own medicine ;) Both the Nits and the Nooks are pretty good at porking all the bases around the target field. Nothing wrong with that, good tactics actually.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: john9001 on June 25, 2003, 05:33:17 PM
i like to keep lala7's in front of my pee38, they get nervous and do funny things when i am on their six.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: MANDOBLE on June 25, 2003, 05:46:37 PM
If the purpose of La7 is to balance the game against jabos attacking a base, then perk it and make if free at those bases with ack down.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: Pongo on June 25, 2003, 05:58:39 PM
The purpose is so that the game shows how the Luftwaffe was exterminated in the east.
I think you miss judged the LA7s state and while you were delivering your ordinance the situtation changed. But a simple film will suffice to show other wise.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 26, 2003, 12:55:05 PM
I usually don't run film in the MA unless there's an anomalie like when we had the dissappearing plane thingy a while back.

I also don't usually come here to rant about things either. Just been having an extreamly bad tour and needed to vent. Thanks all for putting up with me.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: Hammerhead on June 26, 2003, 01:16:51 PM
how sure are you that the la7 did a flat turn....
maybe he did an immelman and then he was higher than you so he caught you on your zoom up and anyway 450mph aint too great, my P38 can catch up to a climbing temp....so the la7 can probably outrun it....
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: SlapShot on June 26, 2003, 01:29:10 PM
"As a mater of fact I am. Just though I'd give the Nits (in this case) a taste of their own medicine  Both the Nits and the Nooks are pretty good at porking all the bases around the target field. Nothing wrong with that, good tactics actually."

Actually, we learned it from the infamous "Bish Typhoon Suicide Horde" quite awhile ago.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: Biggles on June 26, 2003, 01:43:52 PM
Hey, Weav, you ended your story at the point where the LA-7 started gaining on you. A lot of us would like to hear "the rest of the story". So, what happened next? Did the LA-7 shoot you down? Did you shoot him down? Or did you manage to build up speed and extend? Finish the story...
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: mia389 on June 27, 2003, 02:59:03 PM
damn man that sucks.. Im betting another porked hit the dirt hehe:-) I agree though lala should be perked.  I dont know why it isnt. Spit14 perked but lala not? guys that talk about Chog used to being perked dont relize the main arrena has grown since then. I like killing hogs and chog would be no different. I try to stay out of there guns hehe. La7 has too much speed and accel and can tur pretty damn well to, to not have any perk on its head. I think 2 planes should be perked la7 and P51 maybe dora too. Might have so fights instead of chases then. If been at 10k and fast and seen a lala just up about 2min ago and at 2k, Ive dove on it and he uses his 2k alt and hits deck and the SOB will out run me.
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AWMac on June 27, 2003, 03:36:28 PM
Ah Hummm SlapShot...is the Turtle (Avatar) scratchin his belly or.....?  :eek:


:D
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: SlapShot on June 27, 2003, 06:00:18 PM
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Originally posted by AWMac
Ah Hummm SlapShot...is the Turtle (Avatar) scratchin his belly or.....?  :eek:


:D


Left up to your imagination  :D
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: WxMan on June 27, 2003, 06:09:42 PM
Why do you think he calls himself SlapShot? :eek:
Title: Wtf?!
Post by: AKWeav on June 28, 2003, 09:17:53 AM
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So, what happened next? Did the LA-7 shoot you down? Did you shoot him down? Or did you manage to build up speed and extend? Finish the story...


As much as I hate to extend this thread; When I saw he was closing fast I tried a split S. He caught be at the bottom and took my stabs off with a ping from 800d.

Btw, I did a little testing offline. With a small dive, a La 7 starting a zoom at 450mph with wep on, will maintain a 300mph 4000fpm climb through 9000ft. That folks, is better than any of the perked planes excluding the 262. That is why he caught me.

Weatherman! Been awhile, I see you landing some good kill sorties now and then. Jimmy's flying with us now. Ya get loney, come on over.