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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: leonid on November 17, 1999, 05:31:00 AM
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Looking at each fighter in the 'vs. any' category for Beta Tour #2, the ranking is as follows (by Kill to Death ratio):
1. La-5FN 534:354(1.51:1)
2. N1K2 1641:1318(1.25:1)
3. Spitfire IX 2835:2416(1.17:1)
4. Fw 190A-8 2526:2184(1.16:1)
5. P-51D 2539:2473(1.03:1)
6. Bf 109G-10 679:834(1:1.23)
Of course, the tour is far from over, but for now the La-5FN takes the crown. Not bad for a 1943 aircraft. So, HTC, when is the La-7 due??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
One thing noted was the serious drop in usage of the Bf 109G-10. Compared to last tour it appears that about half of the messer pilots have since moved to other aircraft. My guess is they are now trying the Fw 190A-8, but that is pure conjecture.
Addendum: Oops! Thanks to Phantom121 for first pointing out these stats.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 11-17-1999).]
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Leonid;
I have a question.
Are deaths just from A2A kills or do all deaths, take off crashes, Ack etc, add into your deaths number?
You would think that if you added all the kills for all the planes, that would equal all the deaths for all the planes, for A2A only.
Interesting stats.
Mino
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 11-17-1999).]
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Minotaur,
I think it only refers to A2A deaths. If it included crashes and chutes not opening in time, there would be an aweful lot of arbitrary scoring.
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Somthing is missing then.
Strictly A2A, total kills should equal total deaths.
Mino
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You are right, they may have made an assumption or error around same type kills.
But they are missing 1200 deaths somewhere.
I think that the LA5 is the only plane I havnt been killed by in Beta 2 exept the 47.
Must be active on the Rook-Bishop front.
I think that the plane is fine but the cudos go to the guys at the wheel.
Doesnt that mean a LA5 kill should count for 50% more points?
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I am no expert but have spent a few hours reviewing stats. Specific type vs Specific type are equal i.e. 109 vs spit is the same as spit vs 109 (except reversed) and seem to only indicate A2A shootdowns (not deaths). The problem with ANY is that it contains all targets including bombers, C47's, chutes, etc. But there are some obvious problems in scoring as chutes has a high number of "kill" which is realistically not possible.
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One thing noted was the serious drop in usage of the Bf 109G-10. Compared to last tour it appears that about half of the messer pilots have since moved to other aircraft.
Or it could be(probably)that the 109 cockpit is like being in a cave now with the total lack of lighting. I`ve pretty much decided it`s worthless at this point. Really sad that one of the best fighters of WW II gets a disadvantage like this.
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.rapfire.net/~weazel/)
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The new dweeb plane that takes place of the spit!!
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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not surprised,since it is the most flown plane along with the Spit..
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--wd-- Jagdgeschwader 26 "Schlageter"
"The Abbeville Boys"
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By looking at the kill stats for the various aircraft one can easily see which planes are flown the most(from most frequent to least):
1. Spitfire IX
2. P-51D
3. Fw 190A-8
4. N1K2
5. Bf 109G-10
6. La-5FN
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Here is my ranking of aircraft, in order from hardest to easiest, to get kills in (my very unprofessional opinion, agree or don't (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)):
1. C47
2. Chute
3. La5FN
4. 109G10
5. FW190A8
6. P51D
7. N1K2J
8. Spitfire IX
9. B17G
The hardest vehicle to survive in, from hardest to easiest:
1. C47
2. Chute
3. B17G
4. N1k2J
5. FW190A8
6. 109G10
7. Spitfire IX
8. La5FN
9. P51D
Of course these rankings reflect my style of flying, your mileage may vary.
[This message has been edited by -kier- (edited 11-18-1999).]
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I'm pretty much in agreement with your list, -kier-. The 'Stang is the most survivable ride in the arena, as long as you've got a dinosaur hide for the inevitable cries of 'Runstang!'
I had a lovely time last night, even though it was only 1 sortie. Took off from f1, originally intending to head directly to f7 or 8, whichever that northeast field in the Bishopric is. I was clawing my way up past 17,000 at about 150 IAS when I saw a high dot to the north. Pushed the manifold from 55 in. to 60 and kept climbing. Turned out to be an FW, so I hauled off to keep the range open and grab some more alt over my field (so now I'm an ack hugging Runstang dweeb, it's better than becoming a Wurger Burger(tm)* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). Then I see (angelic choir) clouds, beautiful clouds[/i] at about 20,000 off to the west. I look around, the FW is gone but now there's another dot near the clouds, so I head over that way to investigate.
Never do find that dot, but spend a great couple of minutes carving through and around the cloudpeaks. Very disorienting when the screen goes completely grey outside the cockpit (might be due to my sub-minimal home system). I've never done IFR, so I just geeeently get the nose pointed up (according to the clinometer) until I can see again. This happens about four times until I'm clear of the cloud formation.
By then I'm well west of my intended destination, but the map shows nme activity all along the front so I climb to 26,400, drop manifold to 45# and head east to patrol along the southern edge of the mountain range. Nothing nothing nothing, about 60 gallons in the drop tank. Finally I see a dot on my low 8, so I roll to investigate. Once I'm on a southwesterly heading I check 6 (I don't like having my back to the front (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) and sure enough, there's a lone-wolf B17 back there, approximately co-alt. Manifold back to 60#, dump the tank and turn back to the north.
Still just a dot, but from the way the range is dropping I estimate we're on closing vectors. Good enough, the 10/4 or 2/8 pass is what I want. Start my dive around 2.4, manifold back, he's managed to turn on me. Oh well, in I go anyway. The 17 driver (smitty) did an excellent job keeping me in his rear arc on my passes; I just couldn't line up the "shoulder" run I wanted. That and typical over-eagerness hurt my gunnery. He pinged me up pretty good but luckily there was no significant damage. Down to my last 60 rounds and now there's a Spit coming hard, co-alt from the northwest. He's a ways away so I've got time for one more run. I blow the rest of my ammo, roll inverted and split-s the heck out of there. Smitty and I compared notes, and I got his right waist gunner. As many times as he pinged me (he was definitely a better shot, at least on this sortie), it's a minor miracle I got out intact.
Finally set down at F4 with about 1/8 tank left. I came in a little hot (about 180) but with full flaps, minimum RPM and idle manifold. Greased her down nicely but went off the end of the runway, so it went as a ditch.
I'll tell you whut, Boomhower...I'd give up Dawn of Aces for Aces High if I had to decide right now...even more so if there were the ghost of an indication that HTC intends to tackle WWI at some point in the future....
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
*Wurger Burger(tm)--What you become when you engage an FW from a position of gross disadvantage when you don't have to and really should know better anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Flathat (edited 11-18-1999).]
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Dawn of Aces? What's that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes, iEN already provided me with the "12-step" program for that addiction. I can sadly say I'm cured of it completely. Amazing what 3 weeks of non-connectability can do for you...
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Kier: Actually 109G10 is most survivable of all these planes.
109 vs P51:
Accerlation
Climb rate
Faster at low altitudes, only a bit slower than p51 at higher, but accerlation wins with that.
Easier to break out of fight in 109, than in p51, even if low on E.
P51 forced to run or die against 109
109 vs spit:
Faster
Accerlation
Climb rate
1 vs 1 with spit would end into spits death
Cant really try to run in spit from 109
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Fishu-
I might agree on the survivability issue to a point, but as far as the maneuverability 109 vs. anything... well, I haven't seen it. I think it is a toss-up against the 51, but the Spit will win most the encounters with the 109, even with the 109's climb and acceleration. You may very well be the exceptional 109 pilot I haven't seen yet!
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[This message has been edited by -kier- (edited 11-18-1999).]
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P-51 vs 109?
P-51 better have lots of altitude cushion, even if CO-E or better.
Keep that 109 in compression (300+) and turning, they will usually separate the 1st chance they get or more often than not get shot down. The P-51 turns quite nicely at those speeds.
Don't show them your pretty P-51 tail feathers at low altitude, C0-E. That has the look of a kill for the 109. Better to turn and die fighting.
If chasing a 109 at low altitude, CO-E. The 109 can slow down quickly, let the P-51 blow by and then accelerate away. Be ready for that move, a high Yo-Yo instead of chasing the break move for a shot. (Nice move Weazel!)
Always dis-engage while you still can. The Credo of Runstangers.
Mino
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--- Leonid: ---
By looking at the kill stats for the various aircraft one can easily see which planes are flown the most(from most frequent to least):
1. Spitfire IX
2. P-51D
3. Fw 190A-8
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It's just that A-8 you get good kill counts/sortie most of the time that it ends up so high. Honestly I think I see more of N1K2s than Fw 190A-8s, when A-8 came out everyone was flying in one of course. And La-5 is starting to be more popular once again, that thing is _annoyingly_ fast ( as in I have been run down more than once by one ) at low altitude.
One stat I like to follow is my performance in Fw 190A-8 against each plane type, and accordingly I try to rise certain planes as 'dangerous' on my SA list. Fun to see which ones end up killing me the most with out me killing them a lot. The number I have killed supports leonid's top3 popular rides.
fats v N1K2: 24 - 7
fats v A-8: 34 - 6
fats v P-51: 50 - 6
fats v B-17: 10 - 5 ( fats v otto: 0 - 3 )
fats v G-10: 23 - 3
fats v La-5: 12 - 3
fats v Spit: 53 - 3
Seems like if you wanna kill A-8s, take off in George or the La-5. P-51 and Spit are bantha poodoo with lowest succes rates in killing me. If you take Fw 190A-8 v each plane type, only planes which have killed more A-8s than died to one are George and La-5.
But like we all know it's easy to mangle statistics to back up what ever one is trying to say.
//fats
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The average low experience 190 pilot always want to crank them guns at you. Use it to your advantage.
Mino
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Your stats don't match your conclusions fats. You have killed more spits and 51's only because there are more of them in the arena. I'm not surprised your kill numbers match the ratio of how many fly each plane.
You are a veteran.. experten in the 190. You graze on the dweebs, and the dweebs fly the P51 and Spit more than any other planes.. therefore your kill ratios are better for those planes.
Mine look like this:
Lephturn in P51 vs. Plane Type
14 to 2 vs P51
6 to 1 vs 109G10
18 to 3 vs Spit
5 to 0 vs Macchi
13 to 1 vs 190A8
3 to 1 vs George
2 to 0 vs Chute (hehehe)
1 to 0 vs La5
Now I haven't flown nearly as much as you have, so my numbers aren't as representative. However, observe that the 51 and Spit top my list as well. Not surprising. Oh look.. the A8 ranks right up there... OWMIGAWD, it has the worst ratio! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Now you see why I love to see a lower 190? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
All these stats show is how many people or dweebs fly a given plane, and not much else. IMHO
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs