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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: brady on June 25, 2003, 03:18:33 PM

Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: brady on June 25, 2003, 03:18:33 PM
This Friday I am going to rerun an old set up of mine from last summer/fall using ASW's recently updated Libbya map, it is a suto 41 plane set featuring the C.202 and the P40E primarly with the following plane set to add some depth, while not compleatly accurate historicaly it  does help to give a feal for the time and place and the match up's are good fun:)


Axis:

C.202
Me 109E-4
Me 110C-4
JU-88
JU-87
C47
The M's
Panzer IV

Allies:

P40E
Huricane MK I
Boston
C47
The M's
Panzer IV


I highly recomend the Following series BTW to anyone interested in Italian Planes:


(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/51852/0.jpg)
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Tuck on June 25, 2003, 03:45:46 PM
may i be the first to say "cool beans!"  :D
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Drunky on June 25, 2003, 04:56:41 PM
Sounds good :D
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: KG45 on June 25, 2003, 10:31:43 PM
what? no F4U?

:D
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 25, 2003, 11:00:22 PM
P40E will dominate the setup... Replace it with the P40B and this will be very cool...
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: TimRas on June 25, 2003, 11:49:37 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
P40E will dominate the setup... Replace it with the P40B and this will be very cool...


Except C202 is faster, climbs, turns and accelerates better. Check the numbers (was surprised myself). P40E has better guns, but it is hardly uberplane with this planeset.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Karnak on June 26, 2003, 12:33:37 AM
GRUNHERZ,

IIRC, the last time this was run the C.202 dominated the fight if anything can be said to have dominated.

Yes, I know, there is something wrong when the C.202 is the best fighter available, but that is what I recall happening.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 26, 2003, 02:08:04 AM
Could we have the 109F too - was widely used in the North Africa arena....
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Shane on June 26, 2003, 02:29:29 AM
i was hoping for the 109f, too... it's a good match up vs the p40e along with the 202.   but the 109f can really tear up the hurriI... and honestly, i think the 109f would totally dominate in terms of top-end and climb... and with the gondolas, firepower...

overall plane stats for that tour - CT 8:

c202 334-290 vs p40e
c202 185-135 vs hurriI
109e 202-275 vs p40e
109e 332-329 vs hurriI
110c4 199-162 vs hurriI
110c4 97-219 vs p40e

axis 1349-1410 allies.... slight edge to allies, due in part to the horrible way p40e tore up the 110c4.

the way for the c202/109e to deal with the p40e is to basically gang up on them due to their relatively weaks guns vs the p40e's ruggedness. this setup is all about tactics...

the hurrI/109e is a decent matchup.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Karnak on June 26, 2003, 03:11:54 AM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Could we have the 109F too - was widely used in the North Africa arena....


That's kind of a vicious circle.  You add the Bf109F-4 and then you've got to add the concurrent Hurricane Mk IIc and there goes the C.202 and P-40E usage out the window.


I think the setup looks fine as it is and encourages the use of some of the rarely used kites.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 26, 2003, 09:02:19 AM
109F would ruin the intent of the setup - too poweful. I still think the P40B would be better - the 6 50cals ere damn annoying in this low gunpower setup plus P40E speed, climb, handling, and firepower really makes the 109e almost useless.  P40B is more balanced.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Squire on June 26, 2003, 09:29:48 AM
The only thing to worry about in a MC202 is a HO pass vs a P-40, and thats it. It will fly rings around it otherwise, unless you drop down and turn all day.

Dominate the setup? I could only agree if the 202 wasnt present, even then a 109E is not a slouch.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: keyapaha on June 26, 2003, 10:26:40 AM
cool I like flying the C202,get some more stick time in it.:)
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: ramzey on June 26, 2003, 10:33:23 AM
what mean "IIRC"?

ramzey
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Saintaw on June 26, 2003, 11:34:58 AM
If I Remember Correctly it means... "If I Remember Correctly"! :D
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: ramzey on June 26, 2003, 11:50:01 AM
ty
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: brady on June 26, 2003, 03:44:28 PM
I want everyone to look for the following New Skin's tomarow:

109E-4
110C-4
JU87
JU88

  These are brand new skins for this update, and they are Awsome!, this is in adation to the Older skins that were some of the first ever created for a CT map, almost every Vehical and Plane in the set up has a special skin, original skins by Batz, newer skins outsourced.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: snocone on June 26, 2003, 04:04:34 PM
looks great, i prefer early war setups, tanx :)
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Duedel on June 27, 2003, 06:22:43 AM
wow sounds cool. Time to fly in the CT again
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 27, 2003, 06:42:55 AM
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Originally posted by brady
I want everyone to look for the following New Skin's tomarow:

109E-4
110C-4
JU87
JU88

  These are brand new skins for this update, and they are Awsome!, this is in adation to the Older skins that were some of the first ever created for a CT map, almost every Vehical and Plane in the set up has a special skin, original skins by Batz, newer skins outsourced.


Skins are very cool...
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 27, 2003, 07:30:53 AM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Skins are very cool...


No skin is not very cool at all... Infidel!!! :mad:

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1570000/images/_1573897_011002islam150.jpg)
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Slash27 on June 27, 2003, 08:15:01 AM
hehe
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Squire on June 27, 2003, 10:57:19 AM
Please tell me the RAF P-40E has been updated. Edit, never mind. I really prefer the default skin unless its going to look good (better).

Btw the 109E has a missing cross on the top wing as well?

Im all for new skins as long as they are at least as good as the ones they replace, if not, please leave the originals in. I guess some work, and some dont. The 110, Stuka, and Ju88 look very nice, (and 95 percent of the 109E). Also, adding Crete and a few fleets was a great move. Thanks for that.

Tell ya what Ill fly the P-40B all week if somebody paints it up nice. :)

Ya, Im picky.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: SunKing on June 27, 2003, 02:24:13 PM
to the Stuka skin. Great Job.

Should be added to the Pizza map also.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Zanth on June 28, 2003, 08:49:40 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
P40E will dominate the setup... Replace it with the P40B and this will be very cool...


Obviously he was being sarcastic :)
Title: Nice, Very Nice
Post by: Longdist on June 29, 2003, 04:47:22 AM
Brady,

Great set up for this week.  For what I've seen things look pretty even.  As for the C202 dominating the CT, I haven't seen that.  Everytime I go into the CT, the only Axis flying is Shane or Eagler.  The rest of the Axis are playing Panzer General.  Seams to me the plane ruling the roost is the Boston.:D   Keep up the good work.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Jester on June 29, 2003, 01:51:20 PM
Hey Dist - tell the 325th to come down from 40k and they might see something.  

325th's new bird is the COMWARHAWKSAT 40.   ;)

Dist.
Title: Friday the 27th
Post by: Warsun on June 30, 2003, 03:56:24 AM
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Originally posted by Squire

Btw the 109E has a missing cross on the top wing as well?
 



Blasphemy, the Fuhrer will hear about this! :D