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Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 26, 2003, 01:26:33 PM

(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/29252/27.jpg)

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: Dr Zhivago on June 26, 2003, 03:21:22 PM

Maroszek WZ 35 or Panzerbüchse 35(p) or Panzerbüchse 770(p) in German use...

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 26, 2003, 03:24:12 PM

Panzerbüchse 35(p) it is

that was too fast ;)

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: frank3 on June 27, 2003, 06:19:39 AM

isnt that the one our ah soldier is carrying?

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: bigUC on June 27, 2003, 02:26:01 PM

mama

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 27, 2003, 03:13:27 PM

biguc, it looks fairly POTENT :D

but it wasn't all that great, it would have made one heck of a sniper rifle if you put a scope on it, as the recoil was very low for such a high velocity weapon.

round size: 7.9MM
Vo: 1280 M/s (4200 Feet/Second)
3 round magazine (barrell had to be changed after aprox. 300 shots)
as an anti tank gun it could penetrate 22MM at 50 Metres and 15MM at 100 Metres(60 degree armor slope).not that great unless you want to kill individual soldiers in a half track.

an interesting thing is that the barrel lenge was 120 CM (nearly 50 inches), that 's close to 2/3rds the overall lenght of the gun 176CM (about 70 inches, or nearly 6 feet)

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: Tony Williams on June 28, 2003, 12:36:16 AM

In this photo of anti-tank rifle cartridges (from the Ammunition Photo Gallery on my website), the 7.92x107 cartridge fired by the Maroszec is the third from the left. The usual 7.92x57 rifle/MG cartridge is the first on the left.

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ATR1.jpg

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and Discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 28, 2003, 02:14:31 PM

Thanks Tony!

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: -ammo- on June 28, 2003, 04:03:29 PM

What was the weight of the projectile fired by that monster?  At over 4000 FPS,  that is super fast.  Consider that is close to as fast as a .220 swift and it most shooters use a 40-55 grain bullet.

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 28, 2003, 04:10:02 PM

it weighed 12.8G, that being the main reason it wasn't that effective as an anti tank gun, no hardenned core in the round.

couldn't tell you if that translates directly to grain or not as i do not know, Tony might be able to tell you

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: -ammo- on June 28, 2003, 04:48:49 PM

Thx Pugg

12.8 gram = 198 grain.  That is darn impressive.  My 30-06 will push a 180 grain bullet to 2800 FPS, and that is a semi hot load out of a 28" barrel.

conversion of units- http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemistry/general/units_en.html

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 28, 2003, 05:15:49 PM

catridge used was the Panzerbüchsenpatrone P 35 7,92 x 107 with powder weight of 10.4 Grams

interesting thing is that this beast had only slightly heavier recoil than the typical infantry rifles of WWII, apperently it had a very well designed mussle brake.

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Post by: -ammo- on June 28, 2003, 05:47:33 PM

That and the rifle/bipod likely weighed 20+ lbs.  That will dampen recoil considerably.  7.92x107 means that the cartridge fires a 31 caliber projectuile and that the case is 107 mm in length

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Post by: Tony Williams on June 29, 2003, 01:11:10 PM

The Maroszek weighed 9 kg (c. 20 lbs). The rifle's ballistics were almost exactly the same as the German 7.92x94, which was available in the PzB 38 and 39 and the MSS.41 bullpup.

These rifles used tungsten-cored bullets and could penetrate 15-30mm, depending on the range and striking angle.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and Discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

Title: Name this rifle
Post by: pugg666 on June 29, 2003, 01:19:49 PM

they made a pullpup AT rifle!

9Kg without Bipod, 10Kg with (22 pounds) btw