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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on June 28, 2003, 10:34:55 AM
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why give the kill to someone who just happens to be in the area? how can you be captured if you are a half or more a sector away from the enemy base?
lazs
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I agree. I think unless there is an enemy GV or airfield within sight you should just "ditch" or "bail successfully."
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I dont see the problem with a penality for being unable to return to friendly lines? The only issue seems to be with landing gv's spawned to enemy areas.
Does anyone know if there is a randomizer on being captured? There is after all a chance of evading capture behind enemy lines.
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when you bail into enemy territory you can "walk" to a friendly base (at 4 MPH)
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scorepotato!
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wtfgas
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Don't care about the score... you could make it so that you still died or lost 1,000 perks just don't give the credit to the guy who happened to be closest.
lazs
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Scorepotato (If you're just as concerned about someone else's score as yours).
Simple rules lazs... you are captured if you are closer to an enemy base than your own. If you were pinged, and that pilot is still allive, he gets credit for your kill.
MiniD
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Scorepotato (If you're just as concerned about someone else's score as yours).
lol, brutal.
Go wirlpool fight him below 14 feet agl in a the worst F varient Laz, defend your honor!
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no deja you are wrong... you don't have to be pinged by anyone. land by the enemy field and whoever is closest get's the kill.
I know what the rules are, I just don't like em. I liked the old rule where if you landed at the base, even an enemy base you didn't give someone the kill. but they changed that one.
lazs
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Lazs... you are wrong. You claim to be just about the fight but are unable to deal with the consequences of landing in enemy terriroty with a plea that its changed.
How can someone that just wants to return to the fight be even remotely concerned about this?
Come now lazs... doesn't this involve just a little bit of thought?
Besides, the reasoning for the "feature" is quite simple. Those that "don't worry" about score would abuse the hell out of the capture system by ditching in enemy territory just to avoid a kill. So... I guess its a win win situation. People that "arent worried" about score can't get away with exploiting a loophole and we also get to watch people that "aren't worried" about score come here and complain about it.
You've become a toothless tiger lazs.
MiniD
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shouldn't ditching be considered a skill? I sure can't ditch with cons around..
what is wrong about what I said? you can't ditch or land in enemyh territory damaged or not and not give the kill to whoever is closest regardless of if they earned it or not.
There is nothing inconsitent about furballing and not wanting to give someone a kill.... I don't like to give em one even if they earned it much less if they didn't.
My interest is that if you don't want to fly all the way back to base you could simply ditch when out of sight of the airfield and save a long boring flight home without giving someone a kill who didn't earn it.
score means nothing but... stats are fun. I think you would agree. I like to look at stats. The capture counting as a kill ruins the K/D stat. It makes it less meaningful. It also promotes a lot of flying around doing nothing.. with fields 2 sectors away you have to fly back over a sector to ditch... having the capture thingie promotes people staying close to their own airfield or... not venturing to others unless they are part of a steamroller.
the feature promotes lousy gameplay.
lazs
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Who cares if someone "earned it or not". You obviously did not earn the right to not have a kill awarded for you since you obviously couldn't make it into friendly territory. A more skilled pilot would know this.
MiniD
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Originally posted by lazs2
why give the kill to someone who just happens to be in the area? how can you be captured if you are a half or more a sector away from the enemy base?
lazs
To achieve the same ends I would just add server reports of
'"x" crashed'
and
'"y" was shot down"
delete all server victory reports
then watch suicide'ers live with their shame for all to see.
I dont have a problem with capture although it seems a little perverse to award someone a kill for it without significant damage incurred.
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Originally posted by Tilt
To achieve the same ends I would just add server reports of
'"x" crashed'
and
'"y" was shot down"
delete all server victory reports
then watch suicide'ers live with their shame for all to see.
I don't have a problem with capture although it seems a little perverse to award someone a kill for it without significant damage incurred.
If you ditch in enemy territory, then go back to the tower, does the guy closest to you or the guy who shot you down get the kill? I think it's the guy who shot you down.
If the damage weren't significant, then why do you have to ditch? IMO, a ditch is just a crash you survived, unless you are ditching for gameplay reasons. If you're doing that, then why worry about who gets a kill, anyway? It's obviously not important enough to fly your (presumably flyable) plane back to friendly territory.
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Lazs,
I have a comprimise solution for you...
Maybe if all the airfeilds were slightly closer together, That flight back home wouldnt be so long and boring. Yes, flying a couple sectors to land takes a while. If those feild were less than a sector apart might help.
I think if they moved the fields closer together, you could agree then that the capture rule wouldnt be as bad.
What do yeah think?
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Originally posted by Grimm
Lazs,
I have a comprimise solution for you...
Maybe if all the airfeilds were slightly closer together, That flight back home wouldnt be so long and boring. Yes, flying a couple sectors to land takes a while. If those feild were less than a sector apart might help.
I think if they moved the fields closer together, you could agree then that the capture rule wouldnt be as bad.
What do yeah think?
Oh, GAWD!! We're back to the "move the bases closer together" endless discussion!!! I think it's time to DRINK THE KOOL-AID!!
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helluva idea grimm... can't see why everyone shouldn't be happy with that one. you are a very clever lad.
hubert... you don't have to have any damage whatsoever in order for someone to get the kill he would have done nothing. If someone did damage you and they are still up when you ditch then they would get the credit
deja/minid... you are being downright beetle obtuse I think.. Just trying to spare a long trip home without screwing up a K/D stat... and... I believe it does take a little to a lot (depending) of skill to ditch. More than simply droning your way home
lazs
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Don't care about the score... you could make it so that you still died or lost 1,000 perks just don't give the credit to the guy who happened to be closest.
Just trying to spare a long trip home without screwing up a K/D stat
...so is this about score or not?
It sure is easy to post a high K/T if you don't want to rtb and those 1-way fuel loads really let those planes turn. But the K/D can take a real hit. Real frustrating, dunno why HT would set it up that way. But I'm sure Midnight feels your pain ;).
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whatabout the guy the compresses in a tough fight, starts augering and ditchs. I think that is deserved. Of course it should be tossed when I ditch.
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Originally posted by lazs2
the feature promotes lousy gameplay.
lazs
If everyone who is too damn lazy to actually rtb to get another plane could do so without any penalty....that would promote lousey gameplay.
If you ditch in capture-land, you didnt take a single bullet, and nobody is within 1.8k of you, no kill is awarded. Why is that so difficult?
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Originally posted by lazs2
I believe it does take a little to a lot (depending) of skill to ditch. More than simply droning your way home
lazs
LOLOLOLOL
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Originally posted by lazs2
There is nothing inconsitent about furballing and not wanting to give someone a kill.... I don't like to give em one even if they earned it much less if they didn't.
Is the truth of the matter simply that you want to get back to the furball asap but your too stingy just to bail and kive some guy a kill?
If in RL you ditched your plane just out of sight of an enemy airfield what d'ya think would happen to ya?
The system aint broken IMHO so dont fix it.
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I don't have a key set to bail.
Right now the fields are way too far apart. what happens is that people won't venture out. they either wait by their own ack or close enough to make it back or they wait till a whole steamroller is leaving for a enemy field.. this is poor gameplay in my opinion... the rfar fields and capture feature also make it much more attractive to fly only late war fast planes.
I would like to fight even if it means going 2 sectors to go to them but... I don't relish the long flight home doing nothing... it was bad enough getting there. If you get there and there is nothing at all happening... it is even worse. I liked it when you could just land an enemyu field but they changed that. If you ditch tho it does save TIME... as it is I simply have to waste more time and ditch a lot farther down the road. silly really.
If you ditch in enemy territory and are compleatly undamaged and there is a con even sitting on the runway at the enemy field... you are not onlyu captured but he awarded the kill.
score and stats are not the same thing.. I have no idea what my score is but i like to look at my stats. If you are killed by being "captured" it screws up the stats. You didn't really get beaten you simply landed or ditched. I think it screws up the ditched stat to. K/D would be screwed up too....
And... as I said.. all it does is promote/force the use of late war fast planes and poor gameplay. The attacker is at penalized even more and the timid are rewarded more.
lazs
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Originally posted by ergRTC
whatabout the guy the compresses in a tough fight, starts augering and ditchs. I think that is deserved. Of course it should be tossed when I ditch.
How does one "start" to auger and then "stop" the auger so that they can get a "ditch" ?
I aways thought the typical "start" of an auger is the second your prop first touches the ground and the "stop" of the auger is second when your elevators touch the ground. So, at what point does one get a chance to ditch.
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I think the main issue is giving a kill to some smuck who happened to be close. Make it hurt my score if I'm captured, but don't give credit to someone unless they got a ping in at least. At least then, you can argue the ping forced me down.
Of course, I think everyone benifits from the vicinity kill rule, at some point. I'm ok with leaving it like it is or changing it. Whatever...
JUST LET ME FLY!!! :p
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Yep... it's not really a big deal... like a lot of things it isn't a game breaker for me but it is inconvienient for me and pointless for my style.
It was just a suggestion. I didn't know that so many people were married to the concept of capture and getting the freebie proxy kill.
lazs