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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on June 30, 2003, 08:28:32 AM
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why can't we change all the vehicle fields into airfields... except maybe the tank furball island in infinity?
why do we even need vehicle fields? every airfield has a vehicle pad and.. it's not like having vehicle fields is gonna promote guys driving from one to the other (except in the tank furball island in infinity).
I might be missing something but what is the point of the vehicle fields?
lazs
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The purpose of the vehicle fields is to make it easier to capture airfields. Vehicle fields are the easiest fields to capture and the most difficult to defend. If you can capture a couple of vehicle fields that spawn to an airfield, you can capture that airfield much easier than trying to do it by sea or air. Depending on the spawn point, its sometimes easier to drive an M3 into the city than to try and fly in a C-47.
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but you don't drive to anything in the GV's anyway. spawn points are still spawn points. Capturing GV fields is nothin, you can't fly ac from them so they don't improve your position and they can be ignored by ac.
GV's just magically spawn out of nowhere anyway. what would have to change if there were no dedicated GV fields except at airfields?
lazs
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Post 200, this one's for you lazs!
Whine whine whine,
BUT LET THE GROUND QUAKERS SHINE!
How dramatic.
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Lazs, if you make a map I'd bet HiTech will put it up. Hell, I'll even help ya.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Lazs, if you make a map I'd bet HiTech will put it up. Hell, I'll even help ya.
Ditto what Iron said :).
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I agree with lazs on this one. Why not? Gv's already have life pretty easy, they can be repaired, refuelled, and rearmed on the field and they can spawn a shorter drive to most bases than any fighter can get.
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Have you ever heard of the GAMEPLAY forum Lazs?Why don't you ever post there?
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These "change-the-game-because-it's-not-the-way-i-want-it-ME-ME-ME-ME-ME" whines are getting old. I agree with AKIron and Nobaddy. In fact I've developed a new map just for Lazs. It's in its embryonic phase at the moment, but I don't think it will require much extra work...
(http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/lazsmap.jpg)
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mw9... you really need to get out a little more... I don't even know who you are and you spend 5 hours thinking I care? 5 hours??? 5 friggin hours talking to 30 imaginary friends??? what a nerd... Were you one of those guys who felt standing in line for 5 hors in costume at the star wars movie opening was a good use of time too?
iron and NB. I have no idea how to do a map. Allmost no puter skills but... change the GV fields to airfields and the maps are ok. add as many cv's as possible. There... see... I drew a map.
I could get a little more creative and ask that an area be carved out of a portion of the large maps that would be surrounded by 50k mountains and be 3 sectors away from the nearest other fields... it would have say 12 or so airfields all 3/4 of a sector apart and early war only planes allowed to take off.. seperate reset from the rest of the map... rest of the map unchanged... there..... I made two maps.
beetle has no clue as to what i want. or... he does but he won't admit it or... he is lieing... or a combination of the above.
lazs
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hmm.... and he tells me to "lighten up"? musta touched a nerve there eh luke?
Ya gotta admit that being a 70+ year old man in full costume.... you musta looked a little.....odd.
lazs
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You dress in star wars costumes to get 75 year old women "in the sack"?
And I thought droning around talking to 30 imaginary crew members for 5 hours in the hope that I may notice you was odd...
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
iron and NB. I have no idea how to do a map. Allmost no puter skills but... change the GV fields to airfields and the maps are ok. add as many cv's as possible. There... see... I drew a map.
The only skills required are a little imagination and the ability to operate a pencil. Quit tellin' everyone to fix it the way you want it and do it yourself (much more effective) :D. One thing to keep in mind, you have to try your best to effectively satisfy all of the various groups and different play styles....and THAT is what makes it tough :).
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Back on topic...
I think you missed the first post, Lazs.
GV fields are, as you know, much easier to capture than airfields. Making those V bases into A bases, would thereby negate the ease at which they can be captured.
The purpose of making a V base easy to capture is so that the vehicles spawning from that V base can be used to make a ground offensive against nearby A bases.
It's another facet in the overall game.
If you make the V bases as hard to capture as the A bases, you negate their existence to some extent.
Now, please don't take this as accusatory, but you are a verteran player, and probably know full well why there are V bases. Is this part of an overall campaign to try to eliminate everything in AH but fighters, or is this just part of the "Move the fields closer" campaign?
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
The only skills required are a little imagination and the ability to operate a pencil. Quit tellin' everyone to fix it the way you want it and do it yourself (much more effective) :D. One thing to keep in mind, you have to try your best to effectively satisfy all of the various groups and different play styles....and THAT is what makes it tough :).
All that while staying within HT's rigid guidelines, no?
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NB... I think that the changes you made to infinity are an improvement. It is this kind of change that I see as helping to satisfy the most people. The changes allow more choice I feel.
lazs
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Originally posted by TW9
It was a joke.. Lighten up geek..
Actually, i was one of the 30 guys that felt standing in line for 5 hours to pork your mom was a good use of time..
Scares me to think theres a 1 and 30 chance i could be your father.. :eek:
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
Foul!
Personal Foul, number 9...use of derogatory mother comment...
10 yards, repeat second post.
(Translation: A tad below the belt there TW9...)
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muck... I still honestly don't understand. If the ultimate goal for Vehicle bases is to get close to the airbases in order to capture them then.... what would be the difference if the vehicle bases were eliminated, not really eliminated so much as changed?
you would really not be eliminating vehiclle bases if you changed them to airbases.
Vehicles can still opperate from the vehicle section of the airbase. the spawn points would not change either. What would be the downside for vehicles?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
muck... I still honestly don't understand. If the ultimate goal for Vehicle bases is to get close to the airbases in order to capture them then.... what would be the difference if the vehicle bases were eliminated, not really eliminated so much as changed?
you would really not be eliminating vehiclle bases if you changed them to airbases.
Vehicles can still opperate from the vehicle section of the airbase. the spawn points would not change either. What would be the downside for vehicles?
lazs
You're not changing the vehicles at all. What you're doing is making it harder to capture what was formerly a V only base, by adding on-sight fighter defence, thereby eliminating the relative ease with which that base once could be captured, and denying the capturing country's GV foothold in the area.
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Beet1e.
Your spoof on Lazs's action packed map if absolutely hilarious.
Good show!!!
Fun for the whole family, two thumbs up... a gutbuster.
:)
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muck... your stated goal for the vehicles was to capture the airbase... you state that haveing vehicle only bases makes it easier to get closer to the airbases because they fall easier...
if the vehicle fields were changed to airbases then you would allready be there. you could mount a combined (or what appeared to be combined) vehicle air strike on a base that was a sector or less away.
lazs
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*shakes head*
If the vehicle bases were changed to airbases, they would be just as hard to capture as...well airbases.
The point of the V only base is that it can be used as an easy Step 1 in getting a foothold, and using the relatively easily captured base to put pressure on the much more difficult to capture Airbase.
I can't explain it any other way.
Someone else might be able to make it clearer.
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Muck .. He's not gonna want to hear this !!!
Lazs ... the keyword here is EASY.
V Base are EASY to take - for all intents and purposes only 2 guys are needed to take a V Base (ex. F6-F and a Goon). 2 guys could take an airfield, but not as EASILY as a V Base.
Once the EASY V Base is taken, an all-out GV assault can be mounted at the not-so EASY enemy airfield that the V Base spawns to.
If the EASY V Base was turned into a not-so EASY Airfield ... well ... (I'm not gonna touch this part at this particular juncture of this thread).
Muck, it's the EASY part that he's not gonna like.
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Can always gurantee a fun scrap in Lazs posts.
WTG Beet1e on the map. Looks alot of fun.
...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-
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so.... you can mount an "all out vehicle assault" on an airbase from a captured vehicle base right?
If you had a airbase that was formerly a vehicle base (distance unchanged)... then would you not be able to launch GV's from said converted (from gv only to gv/air combined) base?
Are there restrictions on how many gv's you can launch from the gv part of the airbase? Are the aircraft runways and hangers in the way somehow?
Am I missing something? The only difference I can see is that you don't get to take the extra step of "capturing" an easy vehicle base... that step is eliminated. You are allready where you were trying to be.
lazs
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"Am I missing something? The only difference I can see is that you don't get to take the extra step of "capturing" an easy vehicle base... that step is eliminated"
Nope ... you got it ... key word is EASY as opposed to HARDER.
You can easily take a VB in a short period of time and then roll an assault withing a short period of time.
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I give up.
Lazs, I know you get it. You just don't want to.
Ask someone else, please.
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slap... and the point of capturing the vehicle base is??
this would be different from having all the fields combined vehicle and airfields in what way?
Is it the "perk" points you get for the easy capture that is the lure?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
slap... and the point of capturing the vehicle base is??
this would be different from having all the fields combined vehicle and airfields in what way?
Is it the "perk" points you get for the easy capture that is the lure?
lazs
Lazs...
Generally speaking, a gv field is EASIER to capture than an airfield. The same could be said of small, medium and large fields.
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"slap... and the point of capturing the vehicle base is??
To gain more territory in the effort to win the war and to own an asset that helps to gain more territory.
this would be different from having all the fields combined vehicle and airfields in what way?
Its just MUCH EASIER to take vehicle bases than it is airfields ... less resistance to gain an asset that can be very strategic in taking the next/closest asset, be it another vehicle base or an airfield.
Is it the "perk" points you get for the easy capture that is the lure?
Nope ... less perks ... not as many strat targets as an airfield.
Lazs ... the key here ... again ... is EASY capture. Ya know ... some people like the EASY route. If ya removed ALL the easy captures, someone or some faction will get VERY PISSED OFF !!!
Regardless ... I still wouldn't want to see ALL vehicle bases changed into airfields ... just enough to balance the distance travelled between bases ... like NoBaddy accomplished on Trinity.
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no problem slap but ... the easy capture seems pointless. you have not really gained anything... it simply put you up against a combined vehicle airfield. .. the foothold you gathered is meaningless. You still have to beat the combined field that you are now next to. Sure... the country may have a field or two extra now but with hundreds of fields it is insignificant.. if you don't attack the combined field your new foothold will either be ignored or anihalated.
lazs
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Well, of course, Laz. Obviously. Taking a V-field allows you be in position to attack an airfield! Which is pretty much what taking any field does..... sort of moves your highly regimented and well-disciplined team closer to the next field, doesn't it? So you can... ah.... capture the flag thingie or something.
But you totally ignore the absolute thrill of an easy capture!
Oh.. don't you just horripilate at the thought?