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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs on May 09, 2001, 02:51:00 PM
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you want me to go sneakinfg around or gangbang undefended/lightly defended fields then forget it. I don't care who "wins" the war. I don't owe the green guys anything except maybe 6 calls and shooting guys off of em. I don't care what happens to the red guys so long as they just keep coming and in managble numbers. if they are down to a few fields or we are it's all the same to me so long as fighters are available. it concentrates the fite.
You want me to help? Make it fun. make the fields harder to destroy fighter availability. if there are fighters there I'll be there. The longer fighters are available the more guys like me will show up. When the whole field is closed and captured (hopefully at about the same time) I will up that field and move on to the next and "help" there too.
funny thing is... in that scenario i will get praised for being a 'team' player and a big help. I won't have changed tho... just the so called strat.
lazs
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Be happy Lazs, something good happened today...
by Pyro...
We're also making some changes to our airfield layout. The hangar layout is being broken up so they're not clustered for easy attack.
...sounds like no more one drop 2xFH shutdowns anymore.
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most excellent
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We're also making some changes to our airfield layout. The hangar layout is being broken up so they're not clustered for easy attack.
I do like that improvement.
AKDejaVu
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yeah, now see... that will be a very worth while improvement as it will force/allow more people to participate. You watch... the fites will be more fun for everyone. (well, allmost everyone).
In WB i used to be praised for helping with fighter suppression when in fact all I wanted to do was.... fite. In AH I am whined at for not being "a team player" because I don't wish to waste my precious hour or so online doing nothing but gaining a few extra spots on the map or satisfying some little generals ego.
Now if we could just get some realistic dispertion for bombs...
lazs
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uruuuhhhh???!!!???
I find myself agreeing with Lazs !! doh..
Bomb dispertion would be awesome!
(just kidding Lazs)
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The longer fighters are available the more guys like me will show up
is that a threat lazs??
j/k
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it would make things more interesting
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On second thought....nm.
Cobra
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 05-09-2001).]
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by Pyro...
We're also making some changes to our airfield layout. The hangar layout is being broken up so they're not clustered for easy attack.
YAY!
Hooligan
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Well, since we are sorta Bomber Bashin' I got an idea....take the damned things out of the game.
They are nearly useless even with the major advantages most people are convinced their lack of skill killing them means they are certainly endowed with.
I am sure there will always be guys who fly bombers but as soon as they discover how useless one is, how difficult it is to get 3 up at once on a consistant basis and how difficult it is to come up with effective escort consistantly they will not do it much.
I am a slow learner and options are slim at the moment so I fly them all the time.
I am not going to learn any faster but options are on the horizon.
Hang in there lazs, you are winning.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
[This message has been edited by Sunchaser (edited 05-09-2001).]
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As usual, there are two sides to the argument.
Lazs, the "fighter-only, get me straight to the action, no time to waste" on the one side.
Sunchaser, the "bomber-only, if the bomber can't lay waste to a field by itself then they may as well not be in the game" on the other side.
Both are right in their own way, both are wrong in another. Can these viewpoints co-exist?
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you want me to go on missions? make it fun for me
Make it fun for yourself. Quit relying on everyone else.
AKDejaVu
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game, set and match Dejavu :=D.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
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deja u missed the point again. I said IF.. I really don't give a whit about missions and I make the game fun for myself anyway but... If the anal little generals want me to participate in their little scemes then they will have to make it fun for me. I'm not big on being a martyr. I don't pay to suffer and I allready have plenty of character so.. If you want me to go on missions then make em fun. If they are the same ol boring crap that you are pushing now then... forget it.
sunchaser and kieran... there is a way that bombers can be in the game with all the silly concessions they have now and... we can find out just how much people love em.... just turn off killshooter for bombers. Otherwise.... give em realistic targets like huge cities or something with realistic dispertion. And yes sun... I allways win... I allways get my way. sheesh.
lazs
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs:
If the anal little generals who I am so attracted to want me to participate in their little scemes then they will have to make it fun for me. I'm not big on being a martyr. I don't pay to suffer and I allready have plenty of character so.. If you want me to go on missions then make em fun.
lazs
Lazs you crack me up, while your at it do you need someone to make your blowup doll fun for you as well?
[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-10-2001).]
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Originally posted by lazs:
I'm not big on being a martyr. I don't pay to suffer
Kind of sounds like that on the BBs tho .. just an observation
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If the anal little generals want me to participate in their little scemes then they will have to make it fun for me.
What you fail to understand is that there are people arleady willing to participate in the "little generals" "schemes". Nobody cares if YOU join or not.
Are you starting to feel left out lazs?
AKDejaVu
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lazs, there are some really fun missions made sometimes. Ripsnort does a helluva job designing and carrying out missions that are really fun and sometimes involve a furball or two. The problem is that all the really fun missions that involve really great stuff, like making the airport dudes buy more seat cushions, and the furballs and such, you never join. I think that with you if it doesn't involve several furballs where you have the advantage, you won't go. I understand you're looking for a fight, but these missions are sometimes hella fun...
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Everything dead in 30 minutes or less or the next one's free.
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Hell I agree with both sides on this one.
There should be a way to keep both the furballers the buffers happy.
I still think a central location that cannot be captured and did not count against a country on strat would be ideal for everyone.
Your mission people would still be able to win the war and the furballers could still fly without having to worry about people closing their bases close to the fight.
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Laz, why is it everytime I read one of your posts I get this image in my mind?(and caption)
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Hell we always have fun missions. We had a NOE Lanc run to base 31 the other night...was fricking hilarious. Or the A6M divebombing raids. Those are fun too.
I think some of you need to take a break or just do something different in the arena to break up the monotony. All this complaining is getting ya nowhere.
On another note...what is with the attitude in the MA again? Is it just me or do some of the newer guys have a little bit of an attitude problem? I threw up a <S>! to a guy the other night after a fight and got a "dont be too proud of yourself because I suck" as a reply. Since when is giving a guy a salute after a fight considered bragging on one's self?
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Originally posted by sling322:
Hell we always have fun missions. We had a NOE Lanc run to base 31 the other night...was fricking hilarious. Or the A6M divebombing raids. Those are fun too.
I think some of you need to take a break or just do something different in the arena to break up the monotony. All this complaining is getting ya nowhere.
On another note...what is with the attitude in the MA again? Is it just me or do some of the newer guys have a little bit of an attitude problem? I threw up a <S>! to a guy the other night after a fight and got a "dont be too proud of yourself because I suck" as a reply. Since when is giving a guy a salute after a fight considered bragging on one's self?
Don't worry sling I was in a 109 at 18k dogfighting a G-10 in my F-4. Well we were havign a great fight, no one hit each other but great passes were made. Well another 109 snuck up on my 6 lower bout 2k. I did a Split S "ok very slow Split-S" and dove on him and hit him a few times. And had to worry about the other 109 who came back around. I reported on open channel <S> nice fight 109's over 53 I am out of fuel.
And turned for home. Bam Bam missing wing and I a heading for the ground. Not a simple <S> or nothing from either one even though the first G-10 would have been dead in another pass since I was on his 6 but the other 109 showed up. Don't mind 2-1's but would like to see respect for a well fought fight though.
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Originally posted by sling322:
Hell we always have fun missions. We had a NOE Lanc run to base 31 the other night...was fricking hilarious. Or the A6M divebombing raids. Those are fun too.
I think some of you need to take a break or just do something different in the arena to break up the monotony. All this complaining is getting ya nowhere.
On another note...what is with the attitude in the MA again? Is it just me or do some of the newer guys have a little bit of an attitude problem? I threw up a <S>! to a guy the other night after a fight and got a "dont be too proud of yourself because I suck" as a reply. Since when is giving a guy a salute after a fight considered bragging on one's self?
Don't worry sling I was in a 109 at 18k dogfighting a G-10 in my F-4. Well we were havign a great fight, no one hit each other but great passes were made. Well another 109 snuck up on my 6 lower bout 2k. I did a Split S "ok very slow Split-S" and dove on him and hit him a few times. And had to worry about the other 109 who came back around. I reported on open channel <S> nice fight 109's over 53 I am out of fuel.
And turned for home. Bam Bam missing wing and I a heading for the ground. Not a simple <S> or nothing from either one even though the first G-10 would have been dead in another pass since I was on his 6 but the other 109 showed up. Don't mind 2-1's but would like to see respect for a well fought fight though.
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Your mother dresses you funny and your father smelt of elderberries.
(rereads thread title)
Oops .... I thought you said "make fun of me"
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Yeah, I agree. Although I'm a "teamwork" kinda guy, it sure doesn't hurt for the game to have some "built in incentive". ShruG
I still have fun, either way, though.
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The real answer if you are unhappy with the sim you are playing is to sit down,plan and design a new one,spend the time and the money to make it the best you can.Put it on line and promote it to get it accepted by the community.Then sit back and work on the different problems individual players have with your sim.while working new things into it to keep it interesting.Then all you have to do is satisfy the one guy who will never be happy no matter what you do.
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I thought the whole point of this BBS was to solicit customer feedback. Thanks for clearing that up. Of course since the BBS is not (as I had erroneously assumed) to be used for customer input, you apparently need to be reminded that you should be off designing a game rather than wasting your time posting here.
Hooligan
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I don't want Lazs to go on missions. He gets lost easily and we have to stop constantly for him to urinate.
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Originally posted by funked:
I don't want Lazs to go on missions. He gets lost easily and we have to stop constantly for him to urinate.
They need to add rest areas in this game, but without a clipboard, it may be tough for you to find them... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Anyone who wants laz to participate in missions raise thier hand.
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hmm... whoda guessed this thread would be over anyone (except deja's) head? Seemed pretty simple really. If you want me to go on missions then they have to be fun. I don't go on line to be bored. certainly there is some small amount of fun in any "mission" it's just a matter of degree I suppose. Just don't complain when you can't get people to participate if you think things are fine as is.
Now ag.. the chief of the spelling police... the moron misquotes me. I find his quoting ability to be filled with all the honesty of the rest of his posts tho.
funked is at least honest... we have been on missions together(long ago in another sim). he fails to bring up the fact that i had to wake him up to get him to stop at the rest stop.
I don't really think it's an "us or them" kinda thing unless bombers want to destroy a field in one pass. If that's the only way they can feel useful then maybe there is no room for em.
lazs
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Just seemed to everyone else like you were just squeaking to be squeaking lazs. Guess that didn't really fly over anyone's head except yours.
AKDejaVu
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My only thought on missions is that, after 15 minutes of all-caps posts, launch the mission or be quiet about it. It gets tiresome listening to people go on and on about how "EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THIS STRIKE!!!"
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No. just keep them occupied somewhere else. Either way, base capture will happen.
Midnight
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lol kieran. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) You got it wrong though. It reads as follows:
PILE-ITS NEEDED IN MISH-UN
ROLLS IN 3 MINUTES, NEED PILE-ITS
3 SLOTS OPEN FER PILE-ITS IN MISH-UN
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Kieran made a telling comment. If somebody has to keep repeating themselves to try to draw participants for a mission then it probably means that missions are just not that interesting for most players. Wouldn't it be nice if the arena design were changed so that a mission announcement would almost always instantly draw a crowd? If missions were so exciting that even attention-deficit-lazs wanted to go on them, wouldn't this be wonderful?
Nobody has to shout to get people to show up at a furball. Seriously, there has got to be ways to improve the mechanics of the arena/missions so that missions generate a similar enthusiasm.
Hooligan
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This game would have been killed if lazs and his likes would rule.
Missions are more fun then endless furballs.
The game would be much less fun without the fieldcapture element.
The game would be much less fun without bombers.
Lazs and his likes must not advokate only what they like and suggest all what they dont like to be removed. I can assure you that AH would be dead within months if you guyes where left to rule gameplay.
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"Just seemed to everyone else like you were just squeaking to be squeaking lazs"
deja.. I don't think you are quite qualified to speak for 'everyone else' just yet.
fokker... you apparently have no idea of what I want especially if you think I want to do away with field capture or strat. Of a lot of the things that I have wanted in the past, it was said by many that those features would "ruin the game" so far that hasn't been the case. If I were so wrong on this one then perhaps HT and co wouldn't be looking at the current field capture. At least you called it a game tho and didn't bring out the "realism" or "sim" cards.
funny... nobody want's "realism" for field capture.
circling around a field with nothing but the fighter hangers down for the next 20 min or a bunch of osties shooting up at you or fighting for the scraps of the few guys dumb enough to opposse you is not what I call fun. If you think it is fun then perhaps you don't really need to play a fighter sim. "Aces High"??? weren't aces fighter pilots? Why not call the game "Whack-O-building"?
lazs
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What's wrong with you simple minded dweebs? Don't you know that the entire purpose of AH is to make it fun for Lazs? Let's all meet at my place this evening and invent new ways to make Lazs happy!
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GronK
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Strats vs. Furballers.
We get to hear this argument ad infinitum every night in the MA.
This is a game designed for furballers (read "flight sim enthusiasts" or "quakers in a cockpit").
If you are a Strat or teamwork player, you just try to live on the dregs that HTC has put in the game to try and keep you interested.
Just a thought, lazs: if you make all the changes you're talking about to enhance the experience for furballers, the strat players will cancel their subscriptions.
Will HTC then be making enough money to keep the servers operating? Will you then be able to continue playing Aces High? Are there enough furballers in this game to ensure a profit for the developer? Or will you be forced back into Warbirds and AW? Most of the Strat players I talk to in the game are treading water waiting to see if that "other game" will live up to it's potential, anyway.
On a side note, lazs, would perk/point rewards for participation in a mission change your mind?
All opinions welcome. This is not a troll, this is a solicitation for considered replies.
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deja.. I don't think you are quite qualified to speak for 'everyone else' just yet.
You are quite correct... but in case you haven't been reading this thread... everyone else has pretty much been speaking for themselves. Its getting quite old lazs.
funny... nobody want's "realism" for field capture.
LOL! And you ONLY want it for field capture.
Of course, that suits your preferences.
AKDejaVu
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"What's wrong with you simple minded dweebs? Don't you know that the entire purpose of AH is to make it fun for
Lazs? Let's all meet at my place this evening and invent new ways to make Lazs happy!
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GronK"
finally someone with the proper attitude. The world would indeed be a happier place for us all.
deja... i have said many times that it is not an "either or" thing. What is so great for the strat guys about the fighter availability bug? certainly the longer that fighters are available and the sooner fields are captured after everything is down the more people will, wittingly or unwittingly, participate in the "war". if the furballers are attracted to the field capture by the action rather than some high moral purpose.... so what? the end result is the same except that no longer can one person have so much affect on dozens of players. certainly you see how things are a triffle unbalanced right now?
I don't think strat guys will log off if field captures are slightly easier but fighters are available till the end... perhaps a minority of attention starved and talentless will become bored and leave but I bet they are replaced 10 fold and that there will be a lot less animosity between the two camps... those who want action and those who want a 3d WWII board game.
nobody likes to run out a tank of fuel looking in vain for a decent fite (2 vs ten or ten vs two or 10 fighters vs 10 osties is not a "decent" fite.). IMO nobody likes to get "you are unable to fly from this field" messages. IMO nobody likes to head for the large red bar two sectors away (because the one sector field is closed to fighters) only to have the red bar shrink to nothing by the time you are 3/4 of the way there or... the red bar be nothing but a half dozen osties because their fighter hangers are down. IMO nobody likes circling around a field with nothing but the FH down and everthing else intact for the next 20 min.
Now, when the FH are down the field becomes a no mans land. It is useless to defender and attacker alike. It in affect, doubles the distance people have to fly to get to a fite and quadruples the chance (because of flight time)that there won't be one when you get there so...
If the field capture is quicker but at the same time fighters are available up till the end then.... "missions" will become attractive to patience challenged like myself. If there is QUALITY air combat to be had I'm there. You will think I am "helping" and everyone will join in a huge group hug that will have all the other sims jealous.... And... I can squeak about something else.
I am cautiously opptimistic tho with the revelation that HTC finds the fighter availability thing wrong and that maybe open topped osties will be vulnerable to MG fire.
"realism"... I have allways said that the only realism i want is flight model, damage and gunnery. Nothing i have said contradicts that. So now you know what 'realism' I care about. What things do you want "realistic" in the game? What realism is or isn't important to you? I just get confused when people (not you) want to be "immersed" in the WWII experiance but make excuses for the lame-o concession ridden strat and bombers... worse, they fight any attemts to make things more realistic and fun at the same time... I'm saying that more realistic fields, and missions, would be both more "immersive" and fun at the same time. explain to me where I'm wrong.
lazs