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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on July 02, 2003, 09:17:50 AM
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One of the bills just recently passed by our state:
Resident tuition: Enhanced House Bill 1079 expands the definition of resident student to include children in undocumented alien families who graduate from Washington high schools and meet certain conditions.
This means the children of illegal aliens(who don't pay taxes) are eligible for free college educations by means of various grants.
No offense, but if you can't enter a country legally, then Golly-geeit you nor your family should be entitled to our tax payers money. Theres a waiting list for people legally entering the country, and cutting in line is cheating.
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Cool! can i come to your country, not pay any money and get some college girls while im at it? :D
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Originally posted by Furball
Cool! can i come to your country, not pay any money and get some college girls while im at it? :D
Yep. U.S. = Big Sow....come grab a nipple, our liberal democrats will ensure you pay nothing.
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Hey Rip, read a little deeper; it's worse than that. They said it's includes kids of illegal aliens that graduate from Washington high schools! I'm doubly disturbed by this, since apparently US taxpayers already footed the bill for their K-12 education. How the heck do you register a kid in the school system in the first place if you're here illegally (oh, excuse me, I mean "undocumented")? This is one of the big reasons California's budget deficit for this coming fiscal year is larger then the other 49 state's put together. CA has made just about every social program and entitlement (a insidious phrase) program on the books available to illegal aliens.
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sorry furball, you have to be a "minority"
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what a bunch of crap.
these are the same people in welfare lines and complaining about the economy
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Who says illegal aliens don't pay taxes?
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I AGREE RIP! let's all shave our heads and get swastika tattoos and try to ensure that education is only available to pure bloods. Anything to ensure that the children of migrant workers don't forget their station in life.
Or... we can think back to what this country was based on.
I kinda thought you fancied yourself a patriot rip. This right here is the fundamental distinction between patriot and nationalist (insert biggot). Kudos to you for showing your true colors. Now if you wouldn't mind taking a moment to go outside and piss on that flag you have hanging up, the cycle will be complete.
MiniD
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ewwww....
That left a mark.
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Who says illegal aliens don't pay taxes?
good point, but I'm sure most illegals are working under the table.
Of course they do pay taxes on everything they buy, hell I pay taxes anytime I visit my sister in Boston, and i already hand over at least 45% of my pay to the governement as it is.
I demand my tax return :D
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anyways they are paying taxes in some form and they have come to your country to in most cases escape from a far worse situation. Are they that much of a burden on your system? I don't think they're eligable for welfare (honestly don't know). Seems like your politians are trying to help them.
Btw rip what is the average % you pay in taxes? including sales taxes?
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"Bring us your tired and huddled masses" makes me proud to be an American.
However, I have to agree that sometimes our generosity knows no bounds. And going as far as calling Ripsnort a bigot for being irritated that his tax dollars are financing college educations for illegal aliens is a pretty pompous thing to say.
I see no problem with illegal aliens attending high school. It is not a child's fault that their parents took them across the border illegally to find a better life in America. However, paying for their college education does not make me happy in the least.
If you think that makes me a bigot, I think you're a self-righteous fool.
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So, how exactly do these crafty devils get away without paying any taxes in Washington? Considering your state has no income tax, they're not evading that. Beyond that, if they buy gas, rent, phone service, etc. then they pay taxes or are contributing to tax revenue. Besides, this sounds like an investment to me, just like if it were the kid of a tax payer. Get them educated, they get a better job, and they pay more taxes.
SOB
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However, paying for their college education does not make me happy in the least.
And where did you read this in Rip's post?
Biggot was spot on. Imposing a statement like this hints at it.
The law defines "resident"... as in allowing them into certain schools, not paying their tuition. Or allowing them the same financial break that is alloted to every resident of Washington at Washington schools.
Someone living in the state, that has lived in the state, that contributes directly to the state's economy is a resident. To say otherwise is to be a . Maybe I could use the word slave and entitlement instead?
MiniD
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You're good at the stretch Mini dork. :) GOTTA give you that...
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http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/anger.cfm?instanceid=12791
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Originally posted by Mini D
And where did you read this in Rip's post?
Biggot was spot on. Imposing a statement like this hints at it.
The law defines "resident"... as in allowing them into certain schools, not paying their tuition. Or allowing them the same financial break that is alloted to every resident of Washington at Washington schools.
Someone living in the state, that has lived in the state, that contributes directly to the state's economy is a resident. To say otherwise is to be a . Maybe I could use the word slave and entitlement instead?
MiniD
Gee Mini, I just assumed that since his post was about a bill allowing illegal immigrants to receive resident status for college education, that's what he was referring to. This would also allow for the application of grants etc...
I suppose by your definition, if I break into your house and leave a dollar on the table, that makes me a resident of your household. I'll take my eggs scrambled with a side of french toast and a glass of orange juice. Don't forget I'll be needing some new clothes when I get a government grant for college.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I AGREE RIP! let's all shave our heads and get swastika tattoos and try to ensure that education is only available to pure bloods. Anything to ensure that the children of migrant workers don't forget their station in life.
MiniD
That is one of the most inappropriate, nonproportional responses I have ever read on this often ridiculous board. I agree with MT (there's a first), it did leave a mark. It's just that the mark is not on Rip, it's on you.
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Gee Mini, I just assumed that since his post was about a bill allowing illegal immigrants to receive government grants for college education, that's what he was referring to.
I know you did. That was my point.
It defines residency. People just assume that means everything else. Hmmm... what was that word again?
Find out what a resident pays to go to a college, then what someone from out of state pays. This rule applies to tuition and eligibility. It doesn't GIVE anyone money.
Some people are just assuming that... what was that word again?I suppose by your definition, if I break into your house and leave a dollar on the table, that makes me a resident of your household. I'll take my eggs scrambled with a side of french toast and a glass of orange juice. Don't forget I'll be needing some new clothes when I get a government grant for college.
No... it means that if you walk up to someone and ask him to mow your lawn for $5, you can't press tresspassing charges.
Pretty straight forward. But feel free to use analogies that correlate to "intruders" and "criminals". That's great. What was that word again?
MiniD
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Mini,
Pretty straight forward. But feel free to use analogies that correlate to "intruders" and "criminals". That's great. What was that word again?
Last time I checked, entering the United States illegally is a crime with a penalty of encarceration and/or deportation. This would make illegal aliens "criminals" by definition would it not?
Keep on trying sir.
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Actually Grim illegal aliens are merely deported the first 2 times they are caught, and sent to trial on the third attempt. Usually receiving time served (approx. 3 months) for entering the country illegally.
The local establishment was talking of giving illegal residents free college tuition to SDSU here in San Diego. Pretty upsetting to me since I had to work 2 jobs to pay my way through, but than again I was born here.
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Originally posted by GrimCO
Last time I checked, entering the United States illegally is a crime with a penalty of encarceration and/or deportation. This would make illegal aliens "criminals" by definition would it not?
Keep on trying sir.
See my analogy genius. You chose to see one side of it. It's your right. Just don't play it off as either noble or patriotic.
MiniD
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the key word here is ILLEGAL (aliens)
why not force them to get LEGAL then they can share in what the country has to offer.
or maybe we should just pay for college for our criminals .. they're illegal too
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This is funny. I mean really funny.
Do any of you even have an idea about American history? I mean really. Do you ever actually think about it when starting stupid bigotted threads like this? I mean really? This all boils down to "we were here first dammit!"
There's a reason we have "undocumented alien families" in the U.S. I don't think most of you realize what it is.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
See my analogy genius. You chose to see one side of it. It's your right. Just don't play it off as either noble or patriotic.
MiniD
I see both sides quite well. I just don't agree with your calling Ripsnort a bigot and a nazi because he didn't agree with your viewpoint. That is about as one sided as it gets. It smacks of being pompous and self-righteous. That was my whole point in the first place.
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Hey, I have to agree with Rip, but I am not shaving my head anytime soon.
There is a difference between allowing someone into our country so they can provide a life for themselves that is better than where they came from, and giving them preferential treatment when they get here. Maybe we should provide them with a new car and keys to a decent home too. The thing that makes America great is the freedom for someone to achieve what ever they like depending on their effort. We should not give someone preferential treatment without merit. I think that Rip points out that some legislators are careless with the power they have to make laws. There are charitable organizations that can freely provide for less fortunate people, or classes of less fortunate people. Legislators should pass laws that encourage charitable behavior, or formation of charities. They should not create laws that mandate such charitable acts. Such legislation is too close to Socialistic behavior for me.
There is ample proof that Americans are extremely charitable individuals anyway, and contribute incredible sums of money because we are so fortunate. This generosity can be harmed by stingy grabs of politicians that mandate the precious use of tax dollars for specific classes of people. By the way, our forefathers came here legally, and earned everything they have, so don't quote that "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses" argument because that has nothing to do with allowing illegal or undocumented individuals access to taxpayer's dollars.
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Originally posted by Mini D
There's a reason we have "undocumented alien families" in the U.S. I don't think most of you realize what it is.
This has got something to do with Al Queida...right?
On a more serious note...there is a reason why all nations have immigration laws. Violate those laws and per definition you are a criminal.
Like it or not tard.
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Oh.. I'm sorry grim... But to say that neither rip nor yourself come off as bigotted nor nazi like ("then Golly-geeit you nor your family should be entitled to...") hints that you don't really know what a bigot is nor what the nazi platform was based on.
Its the damn immigrants that cause all the problems and that suck up the resources better suited for law abiding citizens.
Now all we need are camps that we can send these people to.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Oh.. I'm sorry grim... But to say that neither rip nor yourself come off as bigotted nor nazi like ("then Golly-geeit you nor your family should be entitled to...") hints that you don't really know what a bigot is nor what the nazi platform was based on.
Its the damn immigrants that cause all the problems and that suck up the resources better suited for law abiding citizens.
Now all we need are camps that we can send these people to.
MiniD
Now you're going as far as to put words in my mouth in an act of desperation to justify your pompous nazi name calling regimen.
When did I say that immigrants were the cause of all the problems?
Keep slinging your self-righteous mud Mini. You're starting to look like nothing more than a blow-hard.
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There is a difference between allowing someone into our country so they can provide a life for themselves that is better than where they came from, and giving them preferential treatment when they get here. Maybe we should provide them with a new car and keys to a decent home too.
LOL! What amazes me is that you guys fail to see any bigotry with statements like this.
You ASSUME that they are getting preferential treatment? Because two children that attended and graduated from the same high school are now allowed to attend the same college at the same rate? Or is it that they are allowed to APPLY for the same grants now? Somehow.... "preferential treatment" becomes the phrase used.
Its strange... I know alot of illegal immigrants. Preferential treatment is not a term that ever popped into my mind.
Treated as a resident in the state allows them eligibility for grants and student loans as well as the resident discount tuition. This is not preferential... this is the same as everyone else they went to high school with. If you have a serious problem with them being treated as equals... then... well... what was that word again?
MiniD
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This has nothing to do with race or bigotry, at least not with me. I don't care what country they're from or what color their skin. We have immigration laws for a reason, to insure an orderly and fair means of bringing potential new citizens from outside our borders. This insures that we're not innundated with more people than our system (government and private) can cope with it, that those we allow in are not instantly going to be a burden on our already over-taxed (pun intended) wellfare systems (i.e. there are jobs for them, making at least minimum wage and their rights are protected), and yes, to insure they're not dangerous (criminals, terrorists, insane, etc). When we grant nearly all the benefits of citizenship to those who enter the country illegally, or who stay longer than their visa allows, there is little incentive to go through legal channels to get in. Thus it becomes a greater burden on the citizens of this country, and I resent that. I resent it from a monitary perspective and from perspective of fairness to those who come here legally.
True, illegal aliens pay sales tax and in some cases even property taxes (not as home-owners, but perhaps through their landlords). That doesn't begin to cover the range of services more and more states are beginning to give them. It doesn't pay for schools or state-run education like state colleges. So quit trying to throw the race card on the table. That's not what it's about.
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An infusion of young hard-working educated English speakers is clearly the death knell for the American economy.
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The hubris of the left never ceases to amaze me. In today's marketplace of ideas, the spectre of labels like "biggot" and "Nazi" is incredibly powerful and enough to cow many into adopting--or at least not opposing--one's point of view. You, like many liberals, sling those terms with reckless abandon, knowing that you are safe from reproach. After all, who would rise to defend a "biggot"? You lecture from a position of moral authority to which you have no rightful claim. If you ever expect to persuade any thinking person that your ideas have merit, you better have more game than the slander, contempt, and derision you've displayed in this thread.
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Originally posted by Mini D
This is funny. I mean really funny.
Do any of you even have an idea about American history? I mean really. Do you ever actually think about it when starting stupid bigotted threads like this? I mean really? This all boils down to "we were here first dammit!"
There's a reason we have "undocumented alien families" in the U.S. I don't think most of you realize what it is.
MiniD
We're all well aware of how we became America. Naturalized citizenship is legal, Mini. Now just settle down before you get banned again.
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Did you just call me a liberal?
ROTFLMAO!
Were you just lecturing me on throwing labels around when you called me a liberal?
ROTFLMAO!
And the funny thing is... you don't even realize it.
MiniD
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Well, you can call yourself whatever you like. I don't know you, beyond what you've posted here, based on which I'd categorize you and Jesse J. as about equivalent on the policitical spectrum.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We're all well aware of how we became America. Naturalized citizenship is legal, Mini.
LOL! think back just a tad bit more. Remember who made what legal and illegal.
Even back then they knew how you treated people that were allowed to exist in the community. Adress that all you want because that is where the fundamental fault seems to lie.
When you start denying the rights of children of people allowed to exist in a community, you start forgetting just exactly what naturalization means and what this country was based on.
Sorry you don't think that makes you either bigotted or a nazi, but then I'm always sorry to see someone acting like a bigot or a nazi.
MiniD
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And, although "liberal," like "conservative" or "moderate," is a label of sorts, I think we all recognize that it is not in the same league as scarlet-letter labels like "biggot" or "Nazi."
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I'll lecture you on throwing labels around like "bigot" or "nazi" because the way in which you accused someone of being both was absurd and inappropriate. I'm also fully aware that I called you self-righteous and pompous.
I'd lecture you on putting words in mouth to try to justisfy your simplistic throwing about of the words bigot and nazi, but I've already done that.
But I'll agree that being a Democrat doesn't make you a leftist liberal. At least I'm not.
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the way Minid states it we (the US) should allow everyone in.. no matter if they follow the 'rules' of (immigration) or not.
hell let's house, feed, and train them to take LEGAL citizens jobs.
what lunacy.
why can't the illegal aliens become LEGAL ??? huh?
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I like taco pizza.
SOB
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This thread was started under the premise that people living in a community should not be allowed to participate in that community. You guys really don't undestand just what it is you are attacking on this particular issue.
The subject of migrant workers and illegal alliens is surely a topic for debate, but how we treat the children of those allowed to exist in this country should not be. "We'll let you stay, but you'll get nothing else from us" should not be a political stance.
To think it should be clearly associates you with political stances from the past. Deny the association all you want... the platform is the same.
MiniD
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Woah Mini D,
Because two children that attended and graduated from the same high school are now allowed to attend the same college at the same rate? Or is it that they are allowed to APPLY for the same grants now? Somehow.... "preferential treatment" becomes the phrase used.
Treated as a resident in the state allows them eligibility for grants and student loans as well as the resident discount tuition. This is not preferential... this is the same as everyone else they went to high school with.
I have no problems with these statements, as long as they are legal citizens of the country. I work with and know many undocumented workers. What suprizes me is how little incentive they have to become legal citizens. What we need is more incentive for people to become DOCUMENTED CITIZENS, not provide more reasons for them to remain undocumented. If they have a highschool education, what is holding them back from gaining citizenship and normal residency?
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
the way Minid states it we (the US) should allow everyone in.. no matter if they follow the 'rules' of (immigration) or not.
No, I never said this. And, as far as I know, this is not the case.hell let's house, feed, and train them to take LEGAL citizens jobs.
what lunacy.
why can't the illegal aliens become LEGAL ??? huh?
LOL! thankyou for stepping into the shoes so well.
This is not about who is and is not "allowed" to enter the country... this is about those living in it... the children of those being "allowed" to live in it.
MiniD
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What suprizes me is how little incentive they have to become legal citizens. What we need is more incentive for people to become DOCUMENTED CITIZENS, not provide more reasons for them to remain undocumented. If they have a highschool education, what is holding them back from gaining citizenship and normal residency?
Wow... a decent look at the other side of it.
If you want to know what's holding them back from aproaching the U.S. government and requesting citizenship... look at the title and theme of this thread.
"We'll allow them to exist below the radar... but they'd better not ask for anything else."
The incentive they face is the risk of deportation. It seems to me, offering something like "state residency" at schools is the type of incentive that people need to step forward. Denying it is a step toward keeping them in the shadows.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
This thread was started under the premise that people living in a community should not be allowed to participate in that community. You guys really don't undestand just what it is you are attacking on this particular issue.
The subject of migrant workers and illegal alliens is surely a topic for debate, but how we treat the children of those allowed to exist in this country should not be. "We'll let you stay, but you'll get nothing else from us" should not be a political stance.
To think it should be clearly associates you with political stances from the past. Deny the association all you want... the platform is the same.
MiniD
Of course it's a topic for debate. I believe that's why it was probably posted in the first place Mini.
You have no idea what my viewpoint on the children of illegal immigrants is. You just chose to ride your preconceived notions based on a comment that I don't think illegal immigrants should receive a free college education. You chose to insert words in my mouth so you could sling labels on me because of it as well. Point of fact, my viewpoint on children of illegal immigrants is probably not so far from your own. Yet you chose to insinuate that I was a nazi bigot, and directly call Ripsnort both.
What's up with that? It's ignorant and unfair.
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Originally posted by Mini D
This thread was started under the premise that people living in a community should not be allowed to participate in that community. You guys really don't undestand just what it is you are attacking on this particular issue.
The subject of migrant workers and illegal alliens is surely a topic for debate, but how we treat the children of those allowed to exist in this country should not be. "We'll let you stay, but you'll get nothing else from us" should not be a political stance.
To think it should be clearly associates you with political stances from the past. Deny the association all you want... the platform is the same.
MiniD
No. This thread was started under the premise that children of illegal aliens should not be considered "resident students" under Washington law. Also, by hypothesis, those children have already had a free secondary education, which surely constitutes "participating in the community" and "getting something from us." There is no reasonable basis for asserting that someone who wants to draw some line between benefits available to children of U.S. citizens and those available to children of illegal aliens is either a "biggot" or a "Nazi." In fact, I am hard-pressed to identify any link between that stance and Naziism.
Moreover, it's not that we don't understand our position on this issue, it's that we (at least I) don't understand yours, because you never clearly stated it. Instead, you opted for general, obfuscatory derision and slander, both of which are much easier to sling than to piece together coherent arguments. Of course, you get the side benefit that it is much harder to refute being called "biggot" or "Nazi" than it is to counter a real argument.
Well, done. Jesse would be proud.
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Of course it's a topic for debate. I believe that's why it was probably posted in the first place Mini.
Take a moment and read the title of this post. Then take another moment and reread Ripsnort's initial post.
Do you REALLY believe this was posted for discussion? I mean really?
Ripsnort told them where to go.... and you feel this was intended to be a discussion?
Once again... you're ignorance to this is lumping you in. The post was critising the bill (passed by the voters) and telling the people that it applied to to get the hell out of the country. And this was intended to be a topic for debate?
Yah. Right.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
This thread was started under the premise that people living in a community should not be allowed to participate in that community
MiniD
HUH!? Quit spiking yer coffee, this thread originated as "be legal about citizenship, if you want to use our tax payers dollars for your family"
Go ahead and twist it to your agenda as you see fit though.
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Twist it to my agenda? What the hell?
I didn't start this stupid thread drippy. You did. I have no agenda in regards to immigrants other than to acknowledge if a community is willing to accept them into it... individuals still wanting to kick them out are biggots.
I'm sorry your attempt to sound more American highlights exactly what is wrong with many Americans these days.
You are not more patriotic rip. I feel pity for you for even feeling the need to start this thread at all.
MiniD
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The subject of migrant workers and illegal alliens is surely a topic for debate, but how we treat the children of those allowed to exist in this country should not be. "We'll let you stay, but you'll get nothing else from us" should not be a political stance.
The political stance is "We'll let you stay, and durring your stay, if you can become legalized, then you can stay for good." There are plenty of people who come here on working Visa's who do not lift a finger to become naturalized. My work has sponsored people for citizenship before, but there are not many requests. Then their Visa runs out and they are forced to either go back or become Illegal ailiens. Don't blame the Government for someones failure to take advantage of the situation they have been given. If they came here without at least a working vesa, they should not expect any more than what they get away with.
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Originally posted by Mini D
This is funny. I mean really funny.
Do any of you even have an idea about American history? I mean really. Do you ever actually think about it when starting stupid bigotted threads like this? I mean really? This all boils down to "we were here first dammit!"
There's a reason we have "undocumented alien families" in the U.S. I don't think most of you realize what it is.
MiniD
Mini Dip,
This is really funny, what an argument
American history also has slavery and destruction of the Native Americans. That doesn’t make it right or a model to follow now.
I don't recall my great grandfather getting a Free College education when he got here from Germany and he (they) played by the rules.
So you see nothing wrong with someone breaking the law and not playing within the rules getting all the advantages of a some one who did (wonder how that makes Documented Aliens feel).
I some times wonder if you even read the drivel you write on this forum. If you really believe in what you say ( and I don't think you do) you are beyond help or hope, just live in your little world where the sky is purple and the grass is blue.
When lawbreakers are rewarded and given the same privileges as lawful citizens it only encourages more, or do you think we should have no INS and just open the boarders to everyone?
Really answer this question "Should we have an INS"?
Why or way not
Waiting
By the way I employ many Undocumented Aliens in the construction industry and have first hand experience that they pay no taxes and send most of there wages home. Not that this is any problem with me as they earned it and can do as they please. Yes they pay a sales tax on things they buy and gas but this is not the same as income taxes, (by the way you need a SS number to pay income taxes and they have none) This is a good and hard working group that I go out of my way to help and have even provided toys and food to at Christmas. But I don't think they should be given privileges over legal citizens. Some only want to work here and save for there families back home, and some will be or are in the process of becoming legal. By the way they have drivers licenses and library cards and rent apartments and buy cars so they are not living under ground.
I have a lot of respect for these folks and there family and work attitude they can teach us a thing or two but many admit that they will not become Americans as they see no need.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Take a moment and read the title of this post. Then take another moment and reread Ripsnort's initial post.
Do you REALLY believe this was posted for discussion? I mean really?
Ripsnort told them where to go.... and you feel this was intended to be a discussion?
Once again... you're ignorance to this is lumping you in. The post was critising the bill (passed by the voters) and telling the people that it applied to to get the hell out of the country. And this was intended to be a topic for debate?
Yah. Right.
MiniD
This just makes me angry was the title... I suppose you think being angry about a subject immediately makes you a nazi bigot also. We should all be happy and harmonious.
I'm sure Ripsnort posted this thread with absolutely no idea that it would be discussed and commented on :rolleyes: And you chose to discuss and debate it. Whatever for? That was never it's intention.
Keep diggin the hole. You'll eventually fall in.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I have no agenda in regards to immigrants other than to acknowledge if a community is willing to accept them into it... individuals still wanting to kick them out are biggots.
MiniD
A. Why is someone who wants to remove illegal aliens--who, for whatever reason, have managed to live and work in this country--a bigot?
B. How is not assigning "resident student" status equivalent to "kicking them out"?
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Very intelligent posts LoneStar. I am not debating the "Bigoted Nazi" issue, but I enjoy reading your thoughtful retorts.
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The irony of someone using the term "illegal" to defend someone trying to say "I don't care what the law says..."
And scooter... I know American history has things like slavery in it. What you seem to fail to realize is how situations like this directly correlate to it. People brought in to do the work that nobody else would do for the price being offered... and how we treated them once they were here.
I'm not inviting illegal immigrants into the country. I am saying that the way we treat the people that are in this country, working, and doing jobs that very few already here wanted to do directly reflects on the country itself. The more people want to treat them like slaves, the less I am for it. The more people want to treat them like humans.. the more I am for it.
I'm sorry that entitling the children of those allowed to be employed in a state to upper education rubs some people the wrong way. The problem is not the children looking for the education or betterment... it is the society that feels it is alright to have second class citizens that aren't really entitled to the things that others are just because we need someone to pick apples.
MiniD
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What you seem to fail to realize is how situations like this directly correlate to it. People brought in to do the work that nobody else would do for the price being offered...
There are thousands of qualified people around the world who would be glad to come here and do your job for 1/3 the pay. Should we turn our backs and let them sneak in? And give their kids resident status when they go to college?
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Originally posted by Sabre
This is one of the big reasons California's budget deficit for this coming fiscal year is larger then the other 49 state's put together. CA has made just about every social program and entitlement (a insidious phrase) program on the books available to illegal aliens.
Immigration and citizenship are exclusively under the jurisdiciton of the federal government. CA voter's attempts to deprive illegals of public schooling and other benefits have all met with defeat in the courts.
People don't come here to go on welfare, they come here to work. Until laws are enforced against *employers* of illegals, this problem is going to get worse. That will not happen soon though, since many business interests are happy with the current situation.
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Again I say to MiniPeePee and Drip, GET A MOTEL ROOM!
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Originally posted by funkedup
Again I say to MiniPeePee and Drip, GET A MOTEL ROOM!
Yeah, he *does* have quite an obsession with me, you were right in that email you sent me :rolleyes: Me thinks Creamo and Pee Pee vacation together :D
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My how this is just bringing out all the ugliness in people.
Of all the illegal immigrants in this country... I wonder why none of them have applied for my job?
Maybe its that my company adheres to immigration employment rules. They cannot afford it any other way.
Then there's the company's that can't afford not to hire immigrants. The jobs that would not be filled if it weren't for immigrants. Its not that someone is taking an American job... its that most Americans feel they are above such work, and its OK to have more apropriate people fill the positions.
The same people only seem to get pissed when those people forget that they are only necessary to fill the **** job role... and had dammed well better stay away from allowing even their children to aspire to anything higher.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, he *does* have quite an obsession with me, you were right in that email you sent me :rolleyes: Me thinks Creamo and Pee Pee vacation together :D
Who is it that should get a room here again funkypants and drippy? Love notes? Come now.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Who is it that should get a room here again funkypants and drippy? Love notes? Come now.
MiniD
Pls don't involve me in your preverted rituals.
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Ok,..beat the drum again....Personal attacks will not be tolerated and serve no purpose. None.