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Title: How NOT to sell a car on ebay!
Post by: Ripsnort on July 02, 2003, 05:04:00 PM: Thks JonM.

Here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6007&item=2421429111) (Note tachometer)
(http://ebay3.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_35fec92047e7e80f3cea52192a76b899/i-6.JPG)
Title: How NOT to sell a car on ebay!
Post by: Frogm4n on July 02, 2003, 05:05:40 PM: i dont understand what the problem is here, so it redlines abit
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 02, 2003, 05:12:39 PM: My favorite part is "Sometimes the cars turns off, I'm not sure what it is, I'm no mechanic, but it can't be anything serious because it starts back up great."
LOL!
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Post by: Frogm4n on July 02, 2003, 05:13:41 PM: i bet his dad never let him play nintendo.
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Post by: Staga on July 02, 2003, 05:48:52 PM: Look that tacho little closer.
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Post by: funkedup on July 02, 2003, 05:51:59 PM: What kind of car has a 4500 rpm redline anyways?
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Post by: Staga on July 02, 2003, 05:53:56 PM: (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/i-6.jpg)

Looks like it has gauges borrowed from 320/325 Diesel.

I have to admit that Rip's status dropped a bit in my eyes.

Edit: reason for tacho showing wierd numbers is (most likely) that diesels usually took rpm's from hall-sensor while types with otto-engine took rpm's from ign.coil in older models or from Fuel-Inj./ignition computer in later models.
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Post by: Staga on July 02, 2003, 06:26:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
What kind of car has a 4500 rpm redline anyways?

Well some car which can run 250kmh like slightly overboosted Audi A4 TDi ?

(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/a4_07.jpg)
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Post by: Staga on July 02, 2003, 06:42:33 PM: Err guess they don't sell too many Turbo-Diesel familycars over there?

Modern TDi's are having just as much power as otto-engines (gasoline/petroleum) with same size without turbo-chargers but they're having much more torque.
0-100kmh is about same and so is top-speed but accelerating from 60 to 120kmh (or more) with higher gear is much easier with TDi.
Just kick the pedal to the medal and your done.

2,0 130hp
195Nm / 3300rpm

1,9TDi 130hp
285Nm / 1750-2500rpm
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 02, 2003, 06:56:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Staga
[BLooks like it has gauges borrowed from 320/325 Diesel.

I have to admit that Rip's status dropped a bit in my eyes.

[/B]

Any Gasoline BMW owner knows that its a diesel, I guess I thought it was obvious...:)
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Post by: Staga on July 02, 2003, 07:17:09 PM: Yeah what ever :)
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Post by: funkedup on July 02, 2003, 07:25:40 PM: I didn't know diesel cars were still made.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 02, 2003, 07:28:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
I didn't know diesel cars were still made.

Unfortunately, not for U.S. export (BMW)
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Post by: funkedup on July 02, 2003, 07:29:03 PM: Yes if only they exported them, then you could have a 330 with half the power belching black smoke. :)
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Post by: JB73 on July 03, 2003, 01:44:54 AM: read the whole salse pitch:

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Just to repeat again: the title on this vehicle was and is clear (never rebuilt), please disregard carfax.
LOLOLOL
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Post by: Staga on July 03, 2003, 04:26:36 AM: Modern diesels aren't anything like they were 10years ago (thank god...). They don't smoke or smell anymore but are giving plenty of good 'ol torque.

330D is just as fast as 330; 20kw less power but it gives 410Nm torque from 1500rpm to 3250rpm vs 300Nm/3500rpm of 330.
Diesel accelerates faster from 80 kmh to 120kmh with 4:th or 5:th gear than 330.

btw also Alfa-Romeo builds TDi's :)
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Post by: Dowding on July 03, 2003, 05:11:03 AM: Modern diesels are superb engines. More and more manufacturers are putting them in performance cars instead of a petrol version. For one thing you get better fuel consumption with no loss in power, and they are very quiet these days. It's really weird to be pulling away from the lights on the edge of wheel spin and have the revs so low - it's almost hazardous, if you are used to high revving petrol cars.

My boss has a BMW 330 diesel and it shifts. Same model that Jensen Button lost his UK license in. I believe the Seat Ibiza GTI model has ditched its petrol engine in favour of a 1.9 TDI motor - and they are quick cars.
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Post by: -tronski- on July 03, 2003, 05:28:18 AM: You Poms love your Diesels don't you...

I drive a Diesel triton 4WD at work, it's a noisy bugger so I think I'll stick to the unleaded for now..mind you the modern diesel sedans are aparently VERY quiet..

Tronsky
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Post by: Wlfgng on July 03, 2003, 09:33:39 AM: deisels produce less noxious gasses than gasoline engines don't they?
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Post by: Dowding on July 03, 2003, 10:04:22 AM: They produce more particulates (the 'smoke'), but I believe they produce less gaseous emissions.
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Post by: Furball on July 03, 2003, 10:51:42 AM: remember watching top gear where Tiff was test driving the VW Golf Rally Car..... which was a diesel :D

http://www.carenthusiast.com/news0210/vw_1.htm

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Simpson's Sony and Pirelli-backed car is mechanically very similar to the petrol-powered Golf GTIs with which Volkswagen claimed second place in the manufacturers championship, with the important exception that in place of the GTI's 20-valve, 280bhp 2-litre engine is a 1.9-litre TDI power unit, boosted by a Garrett turbocharger to give a maximum output of around 190bhp and torque of around 260lb.ft.
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Post by: Sandman on July 03, 2003, 11:09:43 AM: Quote
The title IS clean on this vehicle, eventhough Carfax says it is not. The car has not been in any major accidents. The title is clean, and I have it in my possesion. There was a little mix up at the Department of Motor Vehicles, that's all.

EDIT: I smell a wannabe street racer.
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Post by: funkedup on July 03, 2003, 11:54:54 AM: You guys can keep the diesels. :)
Torque is no substitute for power. They have these things called "gears" ya know. :)
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Post by: Staga on July 03, 2003, 12:17:57 PM: Horsepower = (torque*RPM) / 5252

So you can't have one without another :)
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Post by: funkedup on July 03, 2003, 12:21:03 PM: That would be useful if cars drove the wheels with the crankshaft, or if cars propelled themselves by exerting torque on the ground. Fortunately they have these things called gears, and the propel themselves by exerting longitudinal force on the ground. :)
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Post by: funkedup on July 03, 2003, 12:22:37 PM: What all this means is that if we have two cars going at the same speed and having the same weight and body and everything, with the only difference being the engine, the one with more power will always accelerate faster assuming optimal gearing.
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Post by: Scootter on July 03, 2003, 12:23:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
That would be useful if cars drove the wheels with the crankshaft, or if cars propelled themselves by exerting torque on the ground. Fortunately they have these things called gears, and the propel themselves by exerting longitudinal force on the ground. :)

huh!!??

Help me here,

(I'll have some of what he's having please);)

I thought torque was work and horsepower is how fast it is being applied. (simple I know, but thats the way I am)
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Post by: funkedup on July 03, 2003, 12:27:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Scootter
huh!!??

Help me here,

(I'll have some of what he's having please);)

I thought torque was work and horsepower is how fast it is being applied. (simple I know, but thats the way I am)

Torque and work have the same units, but they are two different concepts. Torque is a force times a distance which is perpendicular to the force. Work is force times a distance which is parallel to the force.
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Post by: funkedup on July 03, 2003, 12:30:04 PM: For a vehicle the important thing is this:

Power = Force times Speed
Force = Mass times Acceleration

Therefore:

Acceleration = Power / Speed / Mass
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Post by: Scootter on July 03, 2003, 12:44:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
For a vehicle the important thing is this:

Power = Force times Speed
Force = Mass times Acceleration

Therefore:

Acceleration = Power / Speed / Mass

ahh ha

got it

Force is what moves a mass and how fast. Ie. Mass times Acceleration

Power is how fast is is doing it

Horse power is like voltage and Torque is like amps
or is this a bad example?

A jet has a lot of power and little torque then