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Title: Name this tank
Post by: pugg666 on July 03, 2003, 02:42:04 PM

A fairly easy one.

(http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/29252/34.jpg)

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Post by: ra on July 03, 2003, 02:55:55 PM

Su-100?

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Post by: pugg666 on July 03, 2003, 03:37:57 PM

yep, but wich modle :)

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Post by: frank3 on July 04, 2003, 01:04:08 PM

I have have absolutely no idea, it's a large gun tho :eek:

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Post by: emodin on July 05, 2003, 04:55:08 PM

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Originally posted by frank3
I have have absolutely no idea, it's a large gun tho :eek:

Nah....the 100mm SU-100's gun was small (bore-wise) compared to the Sturmtiger found here (http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/475.html#732)

380mm of HE loving.

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Post by: AcesGun on July 05, 2003, 05:18:02 PM

A 1943 - Soviet SU-100 Self-Propelled Gun mounted on a T-34 Chassis.

Armament:           I - 100mm gun
Engine:                12 cyl. diesel, 500 hp Model W2
Speed:                 30 mph
Range:                186 miles; 220 with auxiliary tanks
Crew:                   4
Weight:                31 tons
Long 100mm gun developed from high velocity naval gun.

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Post by: pugg666 on July 05, 2003, 06:36:06 PM

yep Su-100 based on the 31 ton T-34 chassis
not the 36 ton T-34/85 chassis

the 100MM gun could penetrate 125MM of armor at 2000 metres.

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Post by: MiloMorai on July 05, 2003, 06:55:17 PM

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Originally posted by pugg666
yep Su-100 based on the 31 ton T-34 chassis
not the 36 ton T-34/85 chassis

What is the difference between a T-34/76 chassis and a T-34/85 chassis?

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/plans/su100.gif
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/plans/t3485m44.gif
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/plans/t3476m43.gif

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Post by: dankes on July 06, 2003, 03:17:37 AM

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
What is the difference between a T-34/76 chassis and a T-34/85 chassis?

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/plans/su100.gif
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/plans/t3485m44.gif
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/plans/t3476m43.gif

Wider turret ring, thicker(?) front armor, strengthened 2 front rollers' suspension, new gearbox (mounted on late t34-76 model though)

mb I missed smth..

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Post by: Furball on July 06, 2003, 05:50:51 AM

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Originally posted by emodin
Nah....the 100mm SU-100's gun was small (bore-wise) compared to the Sturmtiger found here (http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/475.html#732)

380mm of HE loving.

Quote

..... 38 cm mortar, planned to combat submarines, was installed instead.

crazy germans :)

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Post by: Dr Zhivago on July 06, 2003, 06:18:36 AM

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Originally posted by Furball
Nah....the 100mm SU-100's gun was small (bore-wise) compared to the Sturmtiger found here (http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/475.html#732)
380mm of HE loving.

crazy germans :)

This ''Mortar'' was orginally anti-sub depth charge launcher...

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Post by: MiloMorai on July 06, 2003, 09:31:04 AM

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Originally posted by dankes
Wider turret ring, thicker(?) front armor, strengthened 2 front rollers' suspension, new gearbox (mounted on late t34-76 model though)

mb I missed smth..

But does that add up to a 10,000 lb increase in weight?

The turret ring of a T-34(1943) looks to be the same size as the T-34/85.

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Post by: Dr Zhivago on July 06, 2003, 11:34:07 AM

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
But does that add up to a 10,000 lb increase in weight?

The turret ring of a T-34(1943) looks to be the same size as the T-34/85.

T-34 m43 got new re-designed ''Hexagonal'' turret  (Max armor 70mm) + wider mantlet and armored commander cupola was also installed , turret ring diameter was 1,42m while T-34-85 got 1,6m wide...

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Post by: MiloMorai on July 06, 2003, 11:54:21 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
T-34 m43 got new re-designed ''Hexagonal'' turret  (Max armor 70mm) + wider mantlet and armored commander cupola was also installed , turret ring diameter was 1,42m while T-34-85 got 1,6m wide...

Yes and there was 3 styles of "hex" turrets.

Still, I would like to know where the extra 10,000 lbs came from.

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Post by: pugg666 on July 06, 2003, 12:28:23 PM

Milomorai,

i don't have the exact figures on the su-100 but i believe the weight difference in chasis was only refering to a t-34 when completed as a t-34/76 or t-34/85, not a su-100

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Post by: MiloMorai on July 06, 2003, 12:44:50 PM

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Originally posted by pugg666
Milomorai,

i don't have the exact figures on the su-100 but i believe the weight difference in chasis was only refering to a t-34 when completed as a t-34/76 or t-34/85, not a su-100

Yes, that is what I want to know, where the extra 10,000 lb came from on the T-34/85 over the T-34/76.

"based on the 31 ton T-34 chassis
not the 36 ton T-34/85 chassis "

I can only find an increase of 220lb for a whole tank.

ref. http://www.battlefield.ru/map.html

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Post by: Dr Zhivago on July 06, 2003, 01:08:08 PM

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Yes, that is what I want to know, where the extra 10,000 lb came from on the T-34/85 over the T-34/76.

"based on the 31 ton T-34 chassis
not the 36 ton T-34/85 chassis "

I can only find an increase of 220lb for a whole tank.

ref. http://www.battlefield.ru/map.html

T-34-85s main gun weigh was 1540kg ~ 4400lb...
And F-34 cannon weight was 1155kg ~ 2547lb

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Post by: dankes on July 07, 2003, 04:13:53 AM

Excuse me but t-34/85 never weighted 36 tons.
~ 32 tons

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Post by: MiloMorai on July 07, 2003, 05:30:17 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
T-34-85s main gun weigh was 1540kg ~ 4400lb...
And F-34 cannon weight was 1155kg ~ 2547lb

1540kg = 3395 lb. > a typo???

That only accounts for 850 lb. of the 10,000 lb.

dankes, it is so hard getting info on this 10,000 lb increase here. All I have ever seen is, as you say, 32 ton.

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Post by: frank3 on July 07, 2003, 05:35:29 AM

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Originally posted by emodin
Nah....the 100mm SU-100's gun was small (bore-wise) compared to the Sturmtiger found here (http://users.swing.be/tanks.tanks/complet/475.html#732)

380mm of HE loving.

Lol! now that would tear up some tigers :eek:

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Post by: dankes on July 07, 2003, 11:39:56 AM

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
1540kg = 3395 lb. > a typo???

That only accounts for 850 lb. of the 10,000 lb.

dankes, it is so hard getting info on this 10,000 lb increase here. All I have ever seen is, as you say, 32 ton.

Correct.

Weight of early model t-34 (L-11 cannon) was 26.5 tons. It increased to ~30.5 tons in T-34/76 41 year model (F-34 cannon). (dunno how... mb armor thickened etc)

I often encounter the following sentence in different articles  about T-34 (IMHO original author is Igor Shmelev) "the weight of t-34/85 increased by 6 tons in comparison to first model". Ppl treat it incorrectly and suppose the weight of t-34/85 to be 36 tons (30+6)

Correct is 26+6 = 32.