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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Karnak on July 09, 2003, 01:51:31 AM
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The way I see it AH should be limited to units that were actually used in WWII. That leaves us with, so far as I know, four valid wonder weapons that have not yet been modeled. The first two are straightforward, the third and fourth are not. I should also clarify that I do not consider and prop plane a wonder weapon.
1) Meteor F.III
This is simply a fighter, powered by jet engines. It is Allied, armed with four Hispano Mk II 20mm cannon in the nose and had a top speed of 480mph. Though faster than prop fighters it is significantly slower than the Me262A-1. I'd think it would be about 100 to 150 perk points.
2) He162A-2 Salamander "Volksjager"
This is a light, German jet fighter powered by a single engine and armed with two MG151/20 cannon. It is reputed to be very manueverable and about the same speed as an Me262. I think this would also be in the 100 to 150 perk point range.
3) PC 1400 FX "Fritz X"
This was a German remotely guided, armor peircing bomb with a 1400kg warhead. It would require some way to guide it to it's target, both visually and to control it independantly of the aircraft. This weapon would also require the Do217, He111H-6 or He177A-5 to be modeled as a launching platform. I would suggest that a small perk price be added to the normally free bomber when the Fritz X bomb is selected, say 10 to 30 points, and those points are only recovered if the bomb hits a target.
4) MXY-7 Model 11 Ohka (Cherry Blossom) "Baka"
This was a Japanese suicide rocket bomb with a powered range of 23 miles and carrying a 1200kg warhead, dropped from a G4M2e "Betty" bomber. This would be the most contraversial unit. I think, though, that it would be interesting and difficult enough to use to make it balanced. It would require the addition of the G4M2 "Betty" as the delivery platform, a delivery platform that it so happens is very vulnerable.
The way I would see this working is the Betty pilot takes off, either in a single bomber or in a formation, paying a perk price for the Ohka or Ohkas (the Betty with a conventional bombload would be a freebie), setting the Ohka's price at 30 for the sake of arguement, of 30 for a single ship and 90 total for a formation. The Betty pilot would then need to get other players to join as Ohka pilots via a command like ".ohka Karnak". When the Betty pilot gets within range of his target he drops the Ohkas and tries to make it home. The Ohka pilots are then in gliding flight and may light off their engines and attempt to hit the target. The perk points are redeemed based on the Bettys returning to base, e.g. three Bettys take off costing 90 points but only one manages to straggle home means that 30 points are redeemed. Due to the lack of survivorablity of the Bettys I think this would be a fair system.
The other wonder weapons that I can think of are the V1, V2 and atomic bomb. I do not think that any of those would really add anything to AH and so do not consider them really valid. They are either random, take no skill or do too much damage for a single player.
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Ya I am for adding the He 162, Capt. Erich Brown considered it the best gun platform of all the WW2 Jet's, I would of rather had it added instead of the 262 actualy.
As far as the British Jets are concerned I would tend to argue aganst them sice they never actualy shot down an enmy plane but they did see service aganst the V1's.
The Fritz X, or the Hs 293, would be cool toy's, and any excuse to add the He 177 is cool by me:)
I would like to see the Baka my self, people kill themslefs all the time in AH so this is certainly not a sacrad cow, The down side is we would have a late model Betty added instead of an early one, which we could realy use for those Early CT and SEA set up's.
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If the Ta152 is valid the Meteor is valid.
It took out V1s, it did ground strikes, it hunted 262s (not its fault it didn't encounter any) and was involved in a dogfight with Fw190s (hey, that is combat) before some Spitfires arrived and started shooting at the Meteors which then left. In addition if things had gone worse for the Allies it is the Allied jet fighter that would have been tasked with holding the line so to speak as it is the only one that was in service.
re: Betty
Actually the Ohka (I much prefer Ohka to "Baka" as it is much more a Japanese sentiment) was dropped from G4M2s that had their bomb bay doors removed. The G4M2 is a 1942 version of the Betty, a reasonable compromise. It is still unarmored with a huge fuel endurance, unlike the late war G4M4.
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Well the Ta-152 did actualy Kill a maned plane, the Meterior did not but ya it is a week point, I would not realy mind seing it added but their is a sort of fine line in AH about planes actualy seeing combat, and I gues realy the meterior did after a fashion.
Well Baka is kinda slam your right.
The G4M2's were actualy entering service in 43, but ya it's not a big streach.
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Meteor was far far inferior to the me262 and it would be slaughtered by it if its modelled right. Loads of allied test pilots who flew it and the captured me262's all arrived at the same conclusion.It was no good :)
why add an another aircraft that had barely one combat in WW2?
we need several that had a huge impact and are currently missing, B24 liberator for one.
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He162 is not needed imo.
As for the Meteor, the only reason it didnt see air to air combat was because the LW was annihilated and it was kept in england for V1 defence. It did however attack ground targets and i for one would rather fly the Meteor III in the MA than the 262.
27 July 1944
First operational flight of the Meteor by F/O MacKenzie (RCAF) patrolling for V1s. Note that these are referred to by the RAF as 'Divers', not 'buzzbombs'.
S/Ldr Watts intercepts a 'Diver' near Ashford but has gun trouble. F/O Dean also has an opportunity.
"F/O Dean sighted one 'Diver' and followed in line astern at 405 mph. He closed in to 1000 yards on 'bomb' estimated flying at 390 mph when he was turned back by Control owing to proximity of balloons."
http://www.redtwo.demon.co.uk/616/jets.htm
So it entered operational service in late july 1944 and...
3 May 1945
Another airfield "beat up", this time at Schonberg. One Storch, two Ju87, two He111, one Me109 are all destroyed on the ground. The excellent New Zealand Fighter Pilots web site records that of these the BF 109, one He III and one Ju 87 were claimed for W/Co Schrader, who took command of the squadron on 1 May.
so it did get 'kills', if US claim aircraft on the ground as kills, meteors can too! :D
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Originally posted by hazed-
Meteor was far far inferior to the me262 and it would be slaughtered by it if its modelled right. Loads of allied test pilots who flew it and the captured me262's all arrived at the same conclusion.It was no good :)
why add an another aircraft that had barely one combat in WW2?
we need several that had a huge impact and are currently missing, B24 liberator for one.
I agree the Me262 is better, but the Meteor F.III will not be slaughtered in thr MA, not if the Tempest can survive.
As to why we need more barely made it aircraft, well, we don't. This post wasn't about asking for these aircraft (though I like to see all of these before the B-24, but that's just me) and there are many aircraft that should have higher priority.
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Originally posted by Karnak
... and was involved in a dogfight with Fw190s (hey, that is combat) before some Spitfires arrived and started shooting at the Meteors which then left....
Definitely this belongs to MA :D
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what about the tall boy and grandslam?
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Originally posted by Karnak
3) PC 1400 FX "Fritz X"
This was a German remotely guided, armor peircing bomb with a 1400kg warhead. It would require some way to guide it to it's target, both visually and to control it independantly of the aircraft. This weapon would also require the Do217, He111H-6 or He177A-5 to be modeled as a launching platform. I would suggest that a small perk price be added to the normally free bomber when the Fritz X bomb is selected, say 10 to 30 points, and those points are only recovered if the bomb hits a target.
4) MXY-7 Model 11 Ohka (Cherry Blossom) "Baka"
This was a Japanese suicide rocket bomb with a powered range of 23 miles and carrying a 1200kg warhead, dropped from a G4M2e "Betty" bomber. .
We already got Jugs and P38s being used as guided ordnance...Sheesh! :mad:
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Red Tail 444,
Cool down. These would cost perk points and be attached to a 260mph (when clean) unarmored bomber. They'd be much easier to stop.
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and X-wing, T-fighter, Y wing, starship destroyer ..............
ups, its not this game;)
why we should need all this stuff if current AH planes/weapon set have large holes?
Build and perk it? like allmost all perkplanes? How many times per day u see arado? Once a week?
Now is hard to spot 262, i see one or 2 per day when i fly.
When last time any of u saw Ta152 landed with kills?
I think better is "waste" time for build not perked planes then have lots of high perk stuff.
Of course when HTC cover this big hole in JPN-VVS stuf can develop other late war planes and Wunderwaffes.
So far i say NO
ramzey
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ramzey,
I didn't say "Bring this in to AH in the next release". I'm just saying that eventually these might be some nice toys.
Here is my list of aircraft and GVs I'd like to see in the next few releases:
B-25C
M4A3 (75mm)
M4A3 (76mm)
P-38F
P-38G
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Spitfire Mk VIII
Wellington Mk III
Bf109G-14
E-Boat
Fw190A-2
Ju52
Ju188A-2
Me410B-2
I-16-24
Il-10
LaGG-3
Pe-2
Pe-2FT
Pe-2B
T-34-76
T-34-85
Yak-1
A6M3b
H8K2
G4M2
Ki-43-II-Ko
Ki-44-II-Otsu
Ki-45
Ki-84-I-Ko
Ki-102
C.200
G.50
G.55/0
Re.2000
Re.2002
Z.1007
There, does that look more like a list you'd like?
Well this thread wasn't about those. It was about the weird units. It wasn't even about adding thw weird units NOW.
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What about the pe-8 with the 5000Kg bomb?
Looks like a mini-nuke going off in FB, but knowing FB, its proburly not what it looked like when i went off.
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Im sorry Karnak, every time when i see thread with "would be nice to have this .............." i m getting sick. Special when i see jets on list or nuke;)
Your request are most health on this one /thats mean "in good case whine", if i write something incorect;)/, and i react mayby to hard.
anyway i not like to see any more german jets, even any jets.
No guided weapon and no kamikadze planes. I see enough kamikadzes in tiffies, lightnings and ponys;)
Your list is not complete and in som point i not agree
B-25C - why not whole list from WB? I like tham all and think its one of most importand planes for US planeset
M4A3 (75mm)
M4A3 (76mm) - one Sherman is enough
P-38F
P-38G
also
PBY Catalina
B24
P39 D or Q
F2a
B17 D/F
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Spitfire Mk VIII - YESSSSS;) or LF MkIX c-e with merlin 66-70
Wellington Mk III
Blenhaim
Swordfish
Bf109G-14
E-Boat
Fw190A-2
Ju52 - most importand
Ju188A-2 - i not see reason
Me410B-2 same, but maybe as perk plane
also
Ju87G2
Do17 - most importand
He111 - mule of LW
I-16-24
Il-10 - what for?
LaGG-3
Pe-2
Pe-2FT
Pe-2B
T-34-76
T-34-85 - one of this tanks
Yak-1
also
LaGG -1
Mig - 1 or 3
Yak 1b
Yak 1m or yak 3
A6M3b
H8K2
G4M2
Ki-43-II-Ko - whole Ki44 family
Ki-44-II-Otsu
Ki-45
Ki-84-I-Ko
Ki-102 - im not sure about this one
C.200
G.50
G.55/0
Re.2000
Re.2002
Z.1007
im not sure about italian planes, maybe only 1 bomber and one fighter, but not so many
ramzey
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Well, as I said, for the next few versions. That is why I listed only one B-25. It is needed as an early war Allied buff that the Axis can deal with. More B-25s would be great later, but the B-26 fills those rolls now just as the B-17 fills the role of the B-24. I'm interested in plugging holes, not creating overlap while leaving holes open. Two versions of the Sherman are needed or we cannot do early war scenarios or late war scenarios.
The Swordfish would never get used. Ever. Thus it is a waste of time when looking at plugging holes. The same is true of the Blenheim. The Wellington works for that time period and might actually be used. I figure the Spitfire Mk VIII would be the way to go as it is basiclly a Spitfire LF.Mk IX in performance and wouldn't confuse people by having two Spitfire Mk IXs.
The Ju188A-2 would give the Germans a usable bomber in the mid to late war timeframe. That is why I listed it. I happen to like the Ju188, most would list the He177A-5. Why you think the Me410B-2 would be a perk plane is beyond me. The Mosquito we have would dominate it, let alone something like an La-7. The He111 and Do17 do the same thing the Ju88A-4 does, therefore they are luxuries to be added after the holes are plugged. You could make the luxury argument about the Me410 too I guess. The Ju87G-2 would be nice I agree.
Il-10 would be a good late war tank buster for the MA. Multiple T-34s are needed for the same reason multiple Shermans are needed. Those fighters would be nice, but it is really more than is needed immediately.
The Ki-43 is not in the Ki-44 family. Saying the Nakajima Ki-43, Nakajima Ki-44 and Nakajima Ki-84 are in the same family is like saying the Hawker Hart, Hawker Hurricane and Hawker Typhoon are all in the same family. They're completely different aircraft. Ki-102 would be mainly for the MA, it was a Japanese twin engined strike aircraft armed with a 57mm cannon and first used at Okinawa.
I see your point about the Italian stuff. I guess I was trying to be nice to them given how small the Italian planeset is. Make it the Re.2002 for a strike aircraft and the S.M.79-II or Z.1007 for a bomber.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Well, as I said, for the next few versions. That is why I listed only one B-25. It is needed as an early war Allied buff that the Axis can deal with. More B-25s would be great later, but the B-26 fills those rolls now just as the B-17 fills the role of the B-24. I'm interested in plugging holes, not creating overlap while leaving holes open. Two versions of the Sherman are needed or we cannot do early war scenarios or late war scenarios.
I think if HTC creat plane its easy to make couple versions at once
So, thats why whole B25 family. This bomber can feed east front too. Imo B26 not feel this role.
Im not interestend in ground battle so u can have what u like, but for early setup i think its need other tank with 45 mm cannon /Grant?/or Matilda and as oposition one of early german tanks
The Swordfish would never get used. Ever. Thus it is a waste of time when looking at plugging holes. The same is true of the Blenheim. The Wellington works for that time period and might actually be used.
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I not agree, if u like to have Italian plnset more equal. RN swordwish sign yourself there too. And sink som italian ships, as i remember som german too. But i can agree id 3rd line of what we need. Blenhaim fit more to early setup then wellington and much more then boston.
I figure the Spitfire Mk VIII would be the way to go as it is basiclly a Spitfire LF.Mk IX in performance and wouldn't confuse people by having two Spitfire Mk IXs.
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possibly yes
The Ju188A-2 would give the Germans a usable bomber in the mid to late war timeframe. That is why I listed it. I happen to like the Ju188, most would list the He177A-5.
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current ju88 fit this role well, late germans bombers not take big part in war. LW need early bomber to balance a bot weeknes of 0.303 guns and DM/who i hope will be more detailed in future/
Why you think the Me410B-2 would be a perk plane is beyond me. The Mosquito we have would dominate it, let alone something like an La-7.
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its damm fast plane with lots of guns. This one "improve" voulching only. Mix of La7 with mossie.
Im not look pleased eye on LW stuff, so u can say its personal;)
The He111 and Do17 do the same thing the Ju88A-4 does, therefore they are luxuries to be added after the holes are plugged.
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no, current ju88 is too fast for 1940 setup and not used in BoB as we use them now. Allies need something what can feed big edge in performance and numbers used in RL. I supose u fly BoB and saw its uncatchable bomber for hurricanes.
Till we not get diferent engine managment who not allow fly all the time 100% throttle and more detailed DM, we will need slower and easier to shot down bomber. Just to feed RAF and close condition to RL. If we have this bomber LW must take care more about bombers who can fly without cover now and not take big casulties from been guns
Il-10 would be a good late war tank buster for the MA.
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If u attack trucks or low armored vechicycles yes, for tank its usless as il2 was. More armour and a bit faster plane, nothing much more better then il2.
Multiple T-34s are needed for the same reason multiple Shermans are needed.[/b]
Not better to have something what can fight with Tiger? KV2 or IS2?
The Ki-43 is not in the Ki-44 family. Saying the Nakajima Ki-43, Nakajima Ki-44 and Nakajima Ki-84 are in the same family is like saying the Hawker Hart, Hawker Hurricane and Hawker Typhoon are all in the same family. They're completely different aircraft.
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misunderstand, i mean Ki43 -I- Hei, II Otsu , Kai.........
Not Nakajima KI series
Ki-102 would be mainly for the MA, it was a Japanese twin engined strike aircraft armed with a 57mm cannon and first used at Okinawa.
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well, possibly yes
I see your point about the Italian stuff. I guess I was trying to be nice to them given how small the Italian planeset is. Make it the Re.2002 for a strike aircraft and the S.M.79-II or Z.1007 for a bomber. [/B]
Regia was not small forces , but mostly unknow in service history for many of us. We can feed italians;) Imo they have enough famus fighter , time for italian bomber.
ramzey
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Interesting.
I think you misread the Me410 though. A Spitfire Mk IX will run it down at low altitude and the Spitfire Mk IX is something that even our crippled Mosquito would outrun.
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i have bad expirience with thos bird from free WB, possibly by otto issue.Whichone we not have here and i hope never will have/.
It was trauma expirience to get PK every time when u try to close to any otto equiped plane. Something like FB have now
I like to see LW stuff only falling in a flames;)
ramzey
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Well, the a6m7 and F4U-4C sure might be fun, too, but I'd settle for the Ki-84.
karnak, I wasn't hot, I added the wrong face...I never take AH TOO seriously....most of the time :rolleyes:
I thnk a fantasy arena, or a 1947 arena might be nice.
Gainsie...and still grounded.
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More Japanese planes: I'm all for seeing some other Japanese fighters to flesh out the Japanese Army and Naval air forces. One fighter and one buff would do it.
More Italian planes: The C 202/205 was a nice start, but we need either another fighter or a buff.
More German/American planes: Both sides are doing pretty well compared to the other countries. I'd hold off until we see how bolstering the Japanese and the Italians goes. However, some lend lease stuff might be fun-- 'Russian' Airacobras, colonial paintschemes for Brit fighters, attack versions of various bombers.
More GV's: I'd definitely like to see some Russian armor, a reasonable piece of American armor [something Patton would have approved of], and maybe something small and zippy to compete with the M-8 [a Japanese light tank?].
Wierd Stuff: V1's, and the Oka are obvious choices and sound like they'd add a big 'wow' factor when people first see one of these things streaking across the sky. I know I got a huge thrill when I saw the Me163 zip overhead while I was on a NOE mission. Anyways, perk 'em. Make 'em tricky to deliver. Make 'em devastating when they hit.
Perk Monsters: I think a 'big bertha' gun would be pretty cool. Stick it on the rails. Run it like a CV ship...on rails. Give it a slow as hell rate of fire that works only when stationary, and give it some reasonable game-accuracy. Give it some manned and unmanned ack, or the ability to spawn a few osties nearby. Make it cost a huge number of perkies to spawn the thing. Watch the fun as enemy missions show up to demolish the thing. If it works out, then maybe, one day, we can get some sort of large battleship that will do similar things.
April Fools Day/Halloween: I think that they should roll out something unusual for a couple days around April 1st and Halloween. [yes, the timing might be weird for the international community... but it's the sentiment that counts] Something just for sh*ts and giggles that's temporary--just a cameo in the MA. I don't care if it's V2's, barrage baloons, a Goethe, an outclassed ME 108, an out of place Albatross D.V. or a witch on a broomstick--I just want something unusual that'll make me laugh or say 'wow'.
--Corrupto
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Well, the a6m7 and F4U-4C sure might be fun, too, but I'd settle for the Ki-84.
karnak, I wasn't hot, I added the wrong face...I never take AH TOO seriously....most of the time :rolleyes:
I thnk a fantasy arena, or a 1947 arena might be nice.
Gainsie...and still grounded.
Just give the us Spitfire Mk.XII and I'll be as happy as a pig in a puddle. out-climbs the Spit Mk.XIV (it's 1,000 pounds lighter), rolls as fast as the F4U, turns better than 109G-2 and will pull 380+ mph on the deck. The perfect antidote for the La-7 hordes.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Karnak
If the Ta152 is valid the Meteor is valid.
It took out V1s, it did ground strikes, it hunted 262s (not its fault it didn't encounter any) and was involved in a dogfight with Fw190s (hey, that is combat) before some Spitfires arrived and started shooting at the Meteors which then left. In addition if things had gone worse for the Allies it is the Allied jet fighter that would have been tasked with holding the line so to speak as it is the only one that was in service.
re: Betty
Actually the Ohka (I much prefer Ohka to "Baka" as it is much more a Japanese sentiment) was dropped from G4M2s that had their bomb bay doors removed. The G4M2 is a 1942 version of the Betty, a reasonable compromise. It is still unarmored with a huge fuel endurance, unlike the late war G4M4.
actually if your criteria is actual combat with another manned aircraft then im afraid the Ta152 is far more valid than any Allied jet.Saw a lot more combats.
My veiw is this: AH is essentailly a simulation of WW2 and whilst some of the wonder weapons are cool for the odd crazy flight , overall they really struggle to find a role to play in the MA especially due to perk costs.So personally faced with the choice of the he162 and say a 190a3 or a6 Id much rather see the 190 purely because it has actually fought other aircraft, it wouldnt cost perks to fly and would be seen in the MA often.
I thought one of the biggest problems with the last AH update was the CHOICE of planes HTC decided on. It wasnt that i didnt want the aircraft they added, it wasnt that there was anything else i was particularly desperate to see, it was more the fact that almost every one was next to useless as a day to day MA aircraft:
The Ju87 i loved but i rarely see it or use it,
The 163 is fun but again rarely seen or used
P40b/e were the most used of those added but even then I struggle to find use for them.
(I think they need to mix rare types with more 'usable' types that wont get perked)
so with this in mind I can only agree with 2 choices in your list but even then i have reservations about one of them,
The fritzX missile I feel is a valid weapon to be added. It was used often in WW2 and was an excellent weapon. It was effective and actually sank quite a few ships, not least of which was a British Cruiser. It would have a good use in scenarios,CT,MA and all other types of arenas. It would be an unusual weapon, not often seen(if ever?) in games and so would be an added attraction in a unique way for AH.
The Baka is possibly ok IF it saw plenty of use.I unfortunately dont know much about it other than the only attack i know of that used them was broken up before it even began.If there is no other uses of this weapon then im afraid even this aircraft is a pointless addition.I dont agree with the kamakazi attitude of gamers in AH and this would encourage it so thats another reason i wouldnt desire to see it in AH anytime soon but if we have to see kamakazi's all the time, which we seem to we may as well make them use specialist weapons.
The he162 saw very little action. For me its pointless as an addition.what can it give us that we havent already got in the Me262.
The Meteor saw no action whatsoever involving enemy manned aircraft. It shot down V1 flying bombs but as we dont even have a V1 in AH then whats the point? I have absolutely no desire to see me262s and meteors fighting in AH.Im sorry its fantasy.Thats not what i play AH for I want it as near to real as we can make a game personally.
As for some of the other suggestions I like many of them.I disagree the swordfish would see no use. If only because I would use it myself! :) but I do think that, like the ju87, it wont see very much use overall and so shouldnt be a priority.
B25's, early 190s, early p38s,P47N even the 109K I think should come before the more obscure aircraft.
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btw karnak please dont take this as a slam against the thread. I agree 90% of the time with your posts and you seem to have similar ideas about how you would want AH to progress.Others i noticed are seemingly taking this thread a bit too literally when its clearly just an effort to get us musing over what we would like to see :). I got it hehe
The B24 btw i would also rate as a low priority atm because we already have the B17 but we do have a large gap in Allied early heavies, I think the b24 would fit this niche nicely.
Im a little against too much of an emphasis on the eastern front but this is a selfish point for me.Its not that i dont think its fair to want them or add them, its just that Russian aircraft dont grab my interest very much.I can appreciate there are those that they do excite though and its only fair to let them request them.
I do agree with you about more Italian aircraft and I would be happy to see the Piaggio P108 as the Axis heavy, although again I'd rather see the He177 for purely selfish reasons ;).Btw karnak did you know that some P108's had a 102mm cannon fitted into the fuselage for anti-shipping roles?
the few Russian aircraft I would like to see would be the I-16/10 or the I-153
Italian would be the Cr42 and C.200,
The Reggiane 2001,2002,2005 for me are all too similar in performance to the c.205 to be worth modelling really.(in fact the 205 beats them in pretty much any category but only by a small margin)
your choice of British aircraft:
Mosquito B.Mk IV (not my first choice)
Mosquito B.Mk XVI (yes i agree)
Spitfire Mk VIII - YESSSSS or LF MkIX c-e with merlin 66-70 (not for me! :))
Wellington Mk III (yes i agree)
Blenheim (yes i agree )
Swordfish (YES PLEASE :))
Bf109G-14 (109K-4 i think would be better)
E-Boat (hmm not really)
Fw190A-2 (definately not the best 190 but good for scenarios)
Id rather the 190A3 myself.
Ju52 - most importand (needed i think)
Ju188A-2 - i not see reason (decent bombload,better defensive armament,LOT faster but again id rather the he-177)
Me410B-2 same, but maybe as perk plane (Id also like to see it but why a perk ride?:confused: )
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Hazed,
The Ohka was used successfully on at least one occasion, sinking two American destroyers. The first attack was a complete failure though.
I agree that the Me410B-2 is not perk worthy. That was ramzey's suggestion which I was trying to refute.
As far as the Meteor Mk III, it did have the fight with the Fw190s and it was in active, non-experimental, service for months prior to the conclusion of the European war. I think that is enough to make it a WWII aircraft.
In regards to the Ju188A-2 vs the He177A-5, it is simply that I like the Ju188 far, far more. It would be quite usable in the MA. It is faster than the He177, better armed than the Ki-67 and carries a larger payload than the B-17G. It was also far mosre successful historically than the He177 as well.
Did I mention how much better it looks?:D
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Originally posted by brady
As far as the British Jets are concerned I would tend to argue aganst them sice they never actualy shot down an enmy plane but they did see service aganst the V1's.
C47 probably didn't shoot anything down yet we got one of them! As far as I'm concerned, if any WW2 aircraft saw operational action then it's eligible for inclusion. Bring the Meteor III to AH!
As for the He162, didn't it have an ejection seat? That would be cool to model! :)
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need to get out of the MA more often. Arguments against some early war rides are only valid in the MA, where they are put up against the late war stuff.
Now for the Advertising:
Operation Iceberg, the Battle for Okinawa, will be recruiting pilots starting on Saturday, July 19.
We have Ohkas. Cherry blossoms. Bakas.
That's right, you too can slam your ride into the vulnerable deck of an Essex class CV and die for the Emperor alongside other members of your high school class! Or try to stop the noble but deluded Japanese teenager from destroying your ship and killing your shipmates.
This is going to be GREAT! Join in the fun.
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"other members of your highschool class!"
Ghoulish humor, but I like it.
I also wanna put in a plug for the Swordfish. I'd love to fly it. It'd be a real lark to drop a torp on an unsuspecting PT after the CV has been destroyed.
If I recall correctly, there was some effort to bring in the Brewster Buffalo. What do you all think about that? I've also heard of something sort of similar called a Wirraway or a Boomerang(sp?). Did it see much service, or would they be fun to have?
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Originally posted by ramzey
When last time any of u saw Ta152 landed with kills?
I bet there are some pilots that will accept this challenge. Just from raw stats it has more kills in MA than the A6m2, 202, or P-40's and is 6th in K/D ranking. Somebody somewhere is using it well.
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rshubert,
Did you even read my post? Have you read some of my other posts?
Oh, for shame!!!! I have abandoned the holy quest by mentioning aircraft and weapons that were used after 1941. Gasp!!! How could I?:rolleyes:
Jeez. Lighten up.
I have posted about many early war aircraft that I'd like to see, even though early war isn't really my cup of tea. Mind you, late war isn't my cup of tea either. I prefer the variety, with capability, of the mid war period.
Nonetheless, mentioning late war items does not mean that I only fly in the MA or that I only want super weapons. It might mean that I simply want to discuss some late war equipment that doesn't normally get discussed.
BTW,
I think the Ohka would be far more interesting to use than suicide P-51s due to its crappy delivery system. Because of that tension, hanging there beneath a slow assed, unarmored, G4M2e "Betty" I think the Ohka might be neat and completely different than the invulnerable suicide P-51s.
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Originally posted by Karnak
rshubert,
Did you even read my post? Have you read some of my other posts?
Oh, for shame!!!! I have abandoned the holy quest by mentioning aircraft and weapons that were used after 1941. Gasp!!! How could I?:rolleyes:
Jeez. Lighten up.
I have posted about many early war aircraft that I'd like to see, even though early war isn't really my cup of tea. Mind you, late war isn't my cup of tea either. I prefer the variety, with capability, of the mid war period.
Nonetheless, mentioning late war items does not mean that I only fly in the MA or that I only want super weapons. It might mean that I simply want to discuss some late war equipment that doesn't normally get discussed.
BTW,
I think the Ohka would be far more interesting to use than suicide P-51s due to its crappy delivery system. Because of that tension, hanging there beneath a slow assed, unarmored, G4M2e "Betty" I think the Ohka might be neat and completely different than the invulnerable suicide P-51s.
No, no, don't get me wrong. I was going after the guys who think early war rides like the stringbag would never get used. They would see the value of those planes if they ever joined in CAPs, Squad Ops, or the CT.
I was agreeing with posts asking for early war rides, not putting anybody's wish list down. If it were up to me, there would be lots and lots more planes in the set, including early war, mid war, and late war rides.
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how 'bout we rent a non-descript panel van, drive down to HTC's hq, gas n bag the whole group, set up an office in an abandoned warehouse, and come up with a definite list of aircraft/weaponry we want, and then refuse to release them until they model all of these planes solely for use in the CAPs/ToDs/SEA?
I think this idea has some merit... if anyone else is interested, I'll be at the Budget rental office =)
blue skies
gunfodr
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The Meteor saw no action whatsoever involving enemy manned aircraft. It shot down V1 flying bombs but as we dont even have a V1 in AH then whats the point? I have absolutely no desire to see me262s and meteors fighting in AH.Im sorry its fantasy.Thats not what i play AH for I want it as near to real as we can make a game personally.
Wrong. It was on the frontline, was in dogfights with FW-190s before being chased away by spits and did ground attack missions. Your reason for non-inclusion is very weak. We have FW-190s, we have ground targets so there is no reason why the Meteor Mk III shouldn't be added.
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We also have some 'V1s' if you count dumb pilots that don't manuver and suicide into the side of a hanger.
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He162A-2 Salamander "Volksjager"
He162? Don't get me wrong but wasn't this a bucket of crap the Germans built right at the end of the war after they ran outta pilots and wanted to send up the untrained ranks of the Hitler Youth?
It might be fun but I don't think they actually produced a whole hell of a lot of em.