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Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Xjazz on July 10, 2003, 02:31:06 AM: Hi

So, what is your opinion?

Spitfire Mk I
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: davidpt40 on July 10, 2003, 02:46:55 AM: Me262 & Yak9T are equally difficult.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: mipoikel on July 10, 2003, 03:06:23 AM: For me: F4F4 and FM2.

Ofcourse 262 guns need some experience too..
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Kweassa on July 10, 2003, 03:12:05 AM: MG-FF cannons, definately.

.50s and Hispanos give out 600~800 yard kills easily. The MK108 and NS-37, you know it sucks to hit something with it, so you shoot at point blank ranges.

The MG151/20 frickin' sucks, but at least it's better than the MG-FF. The MG-FF cannons on the Bf109E-4, are a menace to hit with. Absolutely the suckiest cannon in AH.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Xjazz on July 10, 2003, 03:42:56 AM: Terve Mipoikel :)

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Originally posted by mipoikel
For me: F4F4 and FM2.

Wah?! Im far away from Good-Shooter but I ever feel like F4F-4 (4/6* US .50cal) or Super-Brewster FM2 (4*US.50cal) have a difficult guns.
F4F-4 and FM2 US .50cal lasers are nicely grouped together and they have very good hitting power.
BTW What convergence settings you are using for these birds? If I remember right, I use d250/d225 convergence with FM2.

I sayd Spitfire I because its weak .303cal MGs are so widely spaced. You must have a very short convergense (d200-) for "htting power".
Shooting from longer or shorter distance than concergence setting just give powerles pings all over the enemy fighter.

Take a Spit I and try to shoot FM2 panzer down :p
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: mipoikel on July 10, 2003, 03:47:48 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Xjazz
Terve Mipoikel :)

Wah?! Im far away from Good-Shooter but I ever feel like F4F-4 (4/6* US .50cal) or Super-Brewster FM2 (4*US.50cal) have a difficult guns.
F4F-4 and FM2 US .50cal lasers are nicely grouped together and they have very good hitting power.
BTW What convergence settings you are using for these birds? If I remember right, I use d250/d225 convergence with FM2.

Yep. They are lasers but somehow they just are difficult for me. I've tried different convergences but no help.

I have no problems with other planes with same guns. F6F is a killer, F4U is great, P47 is a blast... etc...
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Xjazz on July 10, 2003, 03:56:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by mipoikel
Yep. They are lasers but somehow they just are difficult for me. I've tried different convergences but no help.

I have no problems with other planes with same guns. F6F is a killer, F4U is great, P47 is a blast... etc...

One very important thing when you flying&shooting with F4F-4 and FM2 is... (Drums here)

A Slip Ball! You need to use alot left feet input and/or left Rudder trim to keep Slip Ball centered during hard maneuvers (E-bleeding) and for aiming & shooting.

Give a try. FM2 is very amazing plane.
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Post by: Furious on July 10, 2003, 04:03:46 AM: The 2 20mm ShVaks on the La5. Terrible ballistics, slow rate of fire and the hitting power is, IMO, the worst of the 20mm's we have.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Furball on July 10, 2003, 04:24:19 AM: i would agree with the ShVak's on the LA's. La7 used to be my main ride, now i vary it. 2 Gun ShVak loadout is pretty useless over about 400 yards because of the hitting power coupled with the drop of the bullets.

no wonder they made the la7 so fast.

Also the .303's on spits/hurricanes are actually pretty good if you get close and have convergence set right.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: devious on July 10, 2003, 08:37:00 AM: My vote is MG FF(/M), crappy trajectory AND hitting power.

MG 151/20 is easy to hit for me, just don`t fire over 500yds. On Mk108 hitting is not the issue, if you fire over 200yds it`s your own mistake ;)
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Post by: Smiggyy on July 10, 2003, 09:58:30 AM: Can't fire 'em or fit 'em into any known appliance!

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Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: AHGOD on July 10, 2003, 10:14:02 AM: Has to be the rear 7.9mm on the 110C4.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Soda on July 10, 2003, 10:18:47 AM: ShVak's on the La's... they are really tough. The 190D9 cannons often give me a tough time to start with also, for some reason the D9 simply doesn't have the same feel as the other 190's in that respect.... though I don't know why.

-Soda
Aces High Trainer Corps
The Assassins.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Oldman731 on July 10, 2003, 12:27:37 PM: I'd go with the 202's twin 12.7s. Convergence isn't a problem, but they're not worth anything unless you're right up close behind your target - similar in that way to the .303s and the bolshevik 37. It always seems to take a lot longer than those weapons systems to get an appreciable effect with the Italian guns.

Or maybe it's just me.

- oldman
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Post by: funkedup on July 10, 2003, 12:55:24 PM: A6M2 cannons.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: frank3 on July 10, 2003, 12:55:54 PM: I'd say anything with .303's you can hit alot but dont "hit" alot

you see? :)
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: JimBear on July 10, 2003, 01:27:20 PM: Shoot? no problem there.... hit?

Bf-109E-4 cannons, cant hit the broad side of the hangar with them.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: ccvi on July 10, 2003, 01:32:40 PM: all guns and cannons are equally difficult to hit with. i usually shoot at d200-300 (or even 100-200 if the target isn't stick stirring too much), but still manage to miss horribly with all kinds of guns, including 50s and hizookas.
Title: Re: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: swoopy on July 10, 2003, 04:58:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Xjazz
Hi

So, what is your opinion?

Spitfire Mk I

mk1 a blast in the MA makes u work harder to stay alive and get kills. Not really good in furballs but 1 vs 1 etc its a hoot, i love shooting down la7's in em :). Also theres a 87% chance ull never make it back to ure loved ones, and ure dog named suzie:)

Most difficult guns to fire and hit things with is the hurri 2D hard as nails
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Gloves on July 11, 2003, 08:33:21 AM: C202. With the low muzzle velocity, seems like most planes can outrun the shells being fired. ;)

Glove
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Post by: HeLLcAt on July 11, 2003, 10:41:28 AM: Niki, La7 bullets are hard to shoot.
Title: Re: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 11, 2003, 11:40:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Xjazz
Hi So, what is your opinion?

Most difficult guns to shoot?

Answer: Any guns connected to my wing, that has just been shot off :)

Gainsie
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: udet on July 11, 2003, 02:51:35 PM: 30mm on G10...but it's a darned good weapon
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: swoopy on July 11, 2003, 04:14:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by HeLLcAt
Niki, La7 bullets are hard to shoot.

LMAO
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Karnak on July 11, 2003, 05:06:42 PM: The hardest aircraft guns to hit with in AH, without any doubt whatsoever, are the MG/FF (Bf109E-3, Bf110C-4b and Fw190A-5 outer guns) and the Type 99 Model 1 (A6M2).

It so happens that these two guns are practically identical as they are very closely based on the Oerlikon FF 20mm automatic cannon.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: HeLLcAt on July 11, 2003, 11:24:57 PM: swoopy i'm Not saying at all...I NEVER fly those planes, don't think im some kinda dweeb!
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Nilsen on July 12, 2003, 11:12:57 AM: them 40mm's on the hurry
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: hazed- on July 12, 2003, 02:10:58 PM: Any LW weapon :)

and the easiest is 50 cals.
Title: Re: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Ike 2K# on July 12, 2003, 07:05:55 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Xjazz
Hi

So, what is your opinion?

easy..

.50 cals
.30 cals
Hispanos
HO-5s

medium

ShVAKs
37mm on Yak-9T
MG 151

hard

B-20
MG/FF
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Dowding on July 14, 2003, 08:27:00 AM: Furious - the rate of fire on ShVaks is one of the highest in the game. They do suffer from bad bullet drop, but their hitting power is without question in sweetspot (for me d100-250).
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: humble on July 14, 2003, 04:46:33 PM: The 109E has to be the toughest bird to hit (20mm) with in AH...outside about 150 its a pure crapshoot. The La-7 "twin 20mm" is a close second...the shells roll off the end of the barrel. I'd say the nikki is third...although I've been hit under g's at longer ranges (500-700) I think it's pure volume...not aim.

I think the 37mm in yak is amazingly accurate....if you remember your really firing a single shell per sight picture...had a couple of single shell snapshots at 400 or so in CT a month or so ago. flying in the CT this week I've had problems with the 190a5...probably just getting my "eye" for it back...but seems to lose punch and accuracy outside of 300 or so. Huge diffferance between tiffie (firing 2 x 20mm) and a5 with regard to range and hitting power.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Furious on July 14, 2003, 06:00:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
..the rate of fire on ShVaks is one of the highest in the game...

I stand corrected. At 13 rnds per second it has the same ROF as the M2 Browning.

Of course when you have 6-8 M2's firing 78-104 bullets per second traveling at 890 M/Sec as opposed to 26 bullets per second traveling at 750 M/Sec, there is a lot less space for those spittys to squirt through.

Perception wise I rate the effectiveness of 20mm canons in AH like this:

1. Hispanos
2. Mg 151
3. Type 99-2
4. ShVak
5. MgFF
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Post by: Urchin on July 14, 2003, 08:12:03 PM: And they call "Luftwhiners" biased.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 16, 2003, 10:36:28 PM: I don't know what the hardest guns are but the easiest one is the P-38. You can't get anymore Quake like than the Lightning, just point and click and watch the target go BOOM!

Ack-Ack
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Steve on July 17, 2003, 12:58:59 AM: I remember once on an ill-advised rope... AKAK's 38 made my pony(target) go boom. :)

I feel for the luftwobbles and their poor cannon performance. I love the d9 but I have to admit, the U.S. .50's are lazers.
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Post by: Dowding on July 18, 2003, 06:13:19 AM: Yes, the 50s strength is how numerous they are. Still prefer the Shvaks though - it's much more satisfying to nail someone with a close range blast with those than anything else.

I like hispanos too. :)
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: bfreek on July 19, 2003, 08:13:56 PM: all the guns......

when the guy is behind u
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Steve on July 19, 2003, 09:23:26 PM: I think the .50's strength, and the hispano's as well, is the remarkable ballistics. I can kill with 4 .50's about as well as 6.
If the la7 had decent guns, it truly would approach uber.
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Ike 2K# on July 20, 2003, 01:33:44 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bfreek
all the guns......

when the guy is behind u

u mean the turret guns? LOL!
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Post by: Reschke on July 20, 2003, 10:29:10 PM: If its on an AH plane I have trouble with it. :)
Title: POLL: most difficult AH fighter guns to shoot
Post by: Zanth on July 22, 2003, 12:40:14 PM: 40mm on the Hurricane II-D. You don't have enough rounds to play around with to fire and correct. You are either going to destroy any enemy with 1 shot or miss.