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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: canadagoose on July 10, 2003, 10:27:43 PM
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Tonight for at least 5 hours I was in the MA when the Rooks had a numerical advantage of better than two to one. At times the combined numbers of Knights and Bishops did not equal the number of Rooks. I don't mind dieing, my stats show that, but when every field is covered and you can not even get to a point of fighting a battle this game loses its appeal. If Hitech is going to continue to get numbers of players like this on they need to do some forced parity in the countries as far as memberships. Also using a small map like the one this week just does not work with the amount of people, you get reset and immediately your overwhelmed again with the numbers because all the players on the winning side remain on and hammer you as soon as the new map is up. I know there are going to be times when one group has the advantage, but if it goes to the level of what happened tonight the game loses its appeal. I thought the idea was to have battles between the countries not just revised versions of the Little Big Horn. When it is so lopsided people jump to the winning side even more just because they are tired of being clubbed, and that makes the mess even worse.
This may be whinning, and I am sure the Rooks think it is but I know if the play is like tonight on a regular basis it will drive some away the game, myself included. Don't know how it can be fixed but something needs to be looked at.
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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
wtg, first time somone whine about too many rooks!!!
I never would expect something like that:cool:
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Originally posted by canadagoose
This may be whinning, and I am sure the Rooks think it is but I know if the play is like tonight on a regular basis it will drive some away the game, myself included. Don't know how it can be fixed but something needs to be looked at.
...or you might say we (Knights) fly in a lush, target-rich environment--dunno 'bout you, but lately I've had no trouble at all finding fights...:cool:
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Thank You... Thank you very much!
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it's called "Reset is imminent"
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Tonight the Rooks launched a long planned RJO (Rook Joint Operation). We mustered almost 300 Rooks, and got the reset a few minutes after midnight east coast time.
Usually, we Rooks are hard pressed to achieve parity with either the Bishops or Knights, seldom having a numerical advantage.
So, take a break and log on later, things will be back to normal shortly.
My regards,
Widewing
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LOL! I love this!! canadagoose you have become the ROOKs new hero:) Awesome whine my friend.
WTFG Grimm and well done. I had the best of nights in AH and as a Rook!!
To All
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It's like Aces High is chess, and the Rooks are the chessmasters!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Rooks!
I only logged on to see the end of it, from a Knight's perspective, but good work. I hope you guys had a good time on RJO night. I know it can be frusterating being a Rook as I was one for the first two years. I'm glad you guys got to dominate the Bish and Knits for a night.
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Cool Rooks had numbers. Atleast it wasnt the bish
Im a knight and during the day bish have way more then knights and rooks. I really want all the knights and rooks to go bish someday so they cant gang us :D
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Stay in canada, ya never been really free so you don't know what it is to have a free choice in selecting where,when and who you play with.
and stop whinning , just join the unbalanced side and sit down.
god i'm awful.
actually i like canucks, i've riden a few of them when i was at Whidbey Island.
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LOL I love it!!!! I've only been in AH for about a year in a half, but I've never seen the rooks with such a huge numbers advantage.
A bit hearty to Grimm and the CAF and the rest of the RJO squadrons. I had a blast:D
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Someone actually whining about Rook numerical advantage? Someone better call the Weather Channel to see if Hell froze over.
ack-ack
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palef
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Originally posted by canadagoose
Tonight for at least 5 hours I was in the MA when the Rooks had a numerical advantage of better than two to one. At times the combined numbers of Knights and Bishops did not equal the number of Rooks. I don't mind dieing, my stats show that, but when every field is covered and you can not even get to a point of fighting a battle this game loses its appeal. If Hitech is going to continue to get numbers of players like this on they need to do some forced parity in the countries as far as memberships. Also using a small map like the one this week just does not work with the amount of people, you get reset and immediately your overwhelmed again with the numbers because all the players on the winning side remain on and hammer you as soon as the new map is up. I know there are going to be times when one group has the advantage, but if it goes to the level of what happened tonight the game loses its appeal. I thought the idea was to have battles between the countries not just revised versions of the Little Big Horn. When it is so lopsided people jump to the winning side even more just because they are tired of being clubbed, and that makes the mess even worse.
I thought this was quite a good post. I take it that it took place in US Prime time because I didn't see it myself.
All the steamrollering hordes like this that are to be found on maps like Mindano go a considerable way to explain why I like the Pizza map. And Trinity of course.
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Well I found out how to be a hero. All I have to do is say anything that qualifies as a whine in someone elses view. Anyhow my hats are off to the Rooks for the organization that went to that night, guess that explains what happened to them all the night before when the Bish got the reset because they were too disorganized see they missed a chance to stop them. I would say my major beef is that when there are five hundred plus players on the small maps just don't work, when it is about three hundred they are ok but after that the whole arena turns into a street brawl. I am fairly new but the big push for new players a couple of months back seems to have changed the gameplay and so far I am not impressed with the effect.
Salute Rooks for the plan, and I am already drooling at the chance for revenge.
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Canada Goose,
You are quite right about small maps. Which is why HTC is starting to implement the larger maps. There are three in play right now (Trinity, Pizza, Infinity) but there needs to be more to replace the small maps. More people need to design and submit some to increase the available large maps.
As for the numbers the RJO (23 Rooks squads) plan one roughly once every three weeks or so and have been doing this for almost 2 years. Basically it large combined ops where one squad hosts and directs the others. So this is not a common problem of massive imbalance. It was a planned thing and their was a lot of effort put into getting squads to turn out for last night. Things should be back to normal in the arena until the next one several weeks from now.
I am not sure of the Knight and Bishop perspective but we started off with a plan of a massive bomber strikes on all the Bishop facilities. We started the night by sending out 100+ bombers with escorts against the Bishops strats. Then siezed several bishop fields and then GrimmCAF (CAF were hosting and he was the CiC for the event) turned us and instead of continuing to go after Bishops had us stop, do a 180 and attack the Knights. Was quite a thing to see the Rooks actually stop a drive and almost all turn and attack the other country instead of continuing against the one that we just had hit with 600,000+ lbs of bombs.
Was fun for us and don't worry its not a common occurance. You can't really organize something like this to happen every night, once a week, etc.
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Originally posted by bfreek
Stay in canada, ya never been really free so you don't know what it is to have a free choice in selecting where,when and who you play with.
and stop whinning , just join the unbalanced side and sit down.
god i'm awful.
actually i like canucks, i've riden a few of them when i was at Whidbey Island.
what is it with this guy? first he claims brits have no freedom of speech and now the canadians? sheesh he really needs to read his own laws to see who are the ones who made distributing certain undesirable materials illegal. The US has quite a few laws which on the surface totallly contradict their own freedom of speech claims. The word moron keeps popping into my head whenever i read bfreeks dross.
In the UK freedom of speech is so clear cut that we dont even bother to think about it.Its only the Americans who seem to keep bringing it up.I can say whatever i desire in the UK yet in the US I'd be arrested for flying a nazi swastika outside the whitehouse.(not that i would want to wave that trash of course)
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Rooks and RJO! LOL, its so nice to see someone take it to the Bish.
Now, is there a joint operations command for the Knights? Or are they organizationally challenged?
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as a Knight 262's were 91 perks... Was a hoot flew all 262 sorties
many targets few kills but gave me a chance to practice flying the rocket... The Rook numbers never achieve last nights so its not worth squeaking about....If it was so bad should have went to the CT for some action where they balance by choice...
Some kids have to be given ideas what to do for fun others find ways to entertain themselves... There is less of the later...
0J0T
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You should have seen the cost for a 262 on the Rook side. Almost hit 600 .. was like 597. F4U-1Cs were going at 26 points.
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Why don't the RJO annouce when this is going to happen next?
See if the kNights and Bish can do the same to have a true clash of countries.
(of course. 750 people in the MA would be a nightmare for HTC)
Anyway, WTG on a well laid plan Rooks. I did'nt like being on the receiving end, but got in some good sorties, and flew a cheap 262, cutting some bombers in half. Still fun!
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Hmm .. not a bad idea actually. We have also talked about if there was something similiar among the Knights or Bishops about asking to rent the SEA for a night and have the two organizations go head to head. Like a next step up from a squad duel .. a country duel.
But let me fire off a note to the other RJO squads about the idea of announcing one ops before hand and then letting the Knights or Bishops get ready for it.
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Originally posted by canadagoose and paraphrased by GoFaster
Tonight for at least 5 hours I was in the MA when the Rooks had a numerical advantage of better than two to one. .... If Hitech is going to continue to get numbers of players like this on they need to do some forced parity in the countries as far as memberships. ... I know if the play is like tonight on a regular basis it will drive some away the game, myself included.
It was an organized anomaly, a gathering of Rook squadrons under a coordinated command. You noticed that there were 8 to 12 attackers over each base along the front, rather than 20 or so pilots over just 2 or 3 bases as is the norm in the MA. It happens once a month, and is refreshing after getting hammered by Bishops the other 28 nights.
There was a time (before December, 2002) when numerical advantage was consistently with the Bishops and the Rooks were consistently scarce. HTC did do something about the unbalanced gameplay and introduced the weighted perk scale whereby the side with the most players gets the fewest perk points per mission and perk rides cost the most points to buy. For Rooks last night, a Me262 was costing just under 500 perk points and our perk multiplier was somewhere around 0.82. Meanwhile, 262s were on special clearance prices for Knights.
The Bishops still tend to have more pilots at any given time, but the numbers gap has closed slightly as individual players switch sides to take advantage of the perk system. I think the biggest beneficiary of this new style of side switching is Rookland. New players usually jump to the side with the most players (Bishops, for example) in order to take advantage of the "safety in numbers" strategy. Then, after awhile when they've gotten some skills and want to build a perk bank and try the perk rides, they jump to the side with the fewest players, which is usually the Rooks, in order to build perk points faster and get perk rides cheaper.
The Rooks also have one advantage in being smaller - Rook pilots keep seeing the same other Rook pilots each night and there comes a feeling of familiarity with each other, which breeds cooperation. Its hard to be anonymous when you know you're going to see that guy tomorrow night. The guy whose kill you steal today might be the guy who refuses to bring you supplies tomorrow night when your Tiger is dead in its tracks.
And of course there's the retribution factor. After rolling across the map unchecked last night, I fully expect Rooks to be rolled upon tonight, and the night after that, and the night after that, which really wasn't too much different from what was happend two nights ago, and the night before that, and the night before that. If I'm not mistaken, Bishops won the last 2 or 3 resets of this week's map.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
It's like Aces High is chess, and the Rooks are the chessmasters!
-- Todd/Leviathn
yes I agree levi....they are the Chessmasters of Cherry Picking and Individualistic flyin......last time I was rooks I prefered gettin my teeth pulled out WITHOUT novacaine.....
just imagine if they win 2 in a row.......King of the World....eh levi:rolleyes:
enjoy....:p
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"If I'm not mistaken, Bishops won the last 2 or 3 resets of this week's map."
True, but the guy that started this thread was a Knight. Last night might not have been so bad if the rooks had not bravely decided to change course and bully the already smallest and overwhelmed country. (I suppose the chances of success must have looked a lot better.)
Side balance is a problem more times than not lately. However, nobody forces anyone to be a whipping boy. If you don't like getting gang raped, join the other side or (as I did) log off. It's a big world out there.
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Hmm .. not a bad idea actually. We have also talked about if there was something similiar among the Knights or Bishops about asking to rent the SEA for a night and have the two organizations go head to head. Like a next step up from a squad duel .. a country duel.
But let me fire off a note to the other RJO squads about the idea of announcing one ops before hand and then letting the Knights or Bishops get ready for it.
I like the SEA idea. Its like "TOD/SquadOps" but with unrestricted planesets.
The problem with pre-announced JO in the MA is that one squad could get on there early and trash everything beforehand. :(
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Originally posted by Zanth
"If I'm not mistaken, Bishops won the last 2 or 3 resets of this week's map."
True, but the guy that started this thread was a Knight. Last night might not have been so bad if the rooks had not bravely decided to change course and bully the already smallest and overwhelmed country. (I suppose the chances of success must have looked a lot better.)
Side balance is a problem more times than not lately. However, nobody forces anyone to be a whipping boy. If you don't like getting gang raped, join the other side or (as I did) log off. It's a big world out there.
You know, that gives me an idea.
RJO with MAW and Damned.
Hitting the Bishops.
From 2 sides.
The naval powerhouse would be amazing.
How long would it take to get the reset? Think we could do it in less than 4 or 5 hours?
Would the MAW and Damned be satisfied with hitting Bishops without getting the benefit of the perk points from a reset?
Not that I have any say-so. Heck, I was barely a contributor last night.
Something to consider....
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So eh... Bish... when are we going to do this? I need to pad my score after last night.
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Originally posted by gofaster
You know, that gives me an idea.
RJO with MAW and Damned.
Hitting the Bishops.
From 2 sides.
The naval powerhouse would be amazing.
How long would it take to get the reset? Think we could do it in less than 4 or 5 hours?
Would the MAW and Damned be satisfied with hitting Bishops without getting the benefit of the perk points from a reset?
Not that I have any say-so. Heck, I was barely a contributor last night.
Something to consider....
my my my...already been tried on infinity.....why you think we call it infinity......:D
still takes ya weeks...crooks/nits working together to even come close to resetting Bishops.....
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well... winning two in a row would indeed make you chessmaters tho.
lazs
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yes I agree levi....they are the Chessmasters of Cherry Picking and Individualistic flyin......last time I was rooks I prefered gettin my teeth pulled out WITHOUT novacaine.....
Bah..
Only Bishy rodent sissies use anesthetics.
Just look how their pilots are stoned, brain-washed, strapped with a bomb and then merrily march off a cliff to their doom!
What's even better, is they still miss! :rolleyes: :D :D
ps) Yup. Quantity has a quality of its own.
The sunfish lays five billion eggs, which less than 1% of them grow to be adults. <- explains a lot, eh? :)
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Just to be nitpicking .. actually when GrimmCAF called off the assault on the Bishops they had the least amount of bases. They were down to 10 when we turned and attacked the Knights while the Knights were at 15 I believe.
So not sure saying we turned the smallest target is actually accurate.
RJO attacked and reduced Knights to 10 bases and then instead of finishing them off turned and attack the 2nd largest opponent at that moment the Knights.
Also we did what is usually a strategic no-no. For a large strech of time we physically seperated the Knights and Bishops. Meaning that they had no way to attack each other but instead only could hit our bases. Later in the night the Bishops retook the east noodleula and restablished a front with the Knights.
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Originally posted by Zanth
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Last night might not have been so bad if the rooks had not bravely decided to change course and bully the already smallest and overwhelmed country. (I suppose the chances of success must have looked a lot better.) [/B]
Yes we did change Coarse.
It was my desision.. When I evalutated things this is what I saw. Bishops and Knights both had about 15 fields. Both had near equal numbers. Bishops might have been less
Knights started at the smallest, but after beating up the Bishops and taking some bases we evened that out.
BUT The Bishops had NO Strat... Most facilitys were under 10% and Some as low as Zero. Feild were all porked up. They were primed to easily roll over.
Thats when I decided it was time to spread the misery and push north against the Knights, So at that time the Knights were actually stronger the Bishops.
Both our advisaries were determined and fight the hard fight, its a credit to them not to just roll over.
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Also we did what is usually a strategic no-no.
What you did wasn't strategy in any event. Well, not in any realistic sense anyway. I'm glad everyone had fun though, but let's not kid ourselves about the amount of strategy involved in deciding to steamroll this country or that with greater than 2 to 1 odds. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Todd just to debate the point yes their is actually strategy involved to some extent. At the end of the WWII the U.S. had massive odds versus the Japanese fleet and air forces. The U.S. had overwhelming for but still strategy involved in where to apply that force.
Last night their was strategy involved in where GrimmCAF decided to apply the participating squads. What fields to attack, mission types, etc.
Toward the end of the night when Knights where down to 7 bases .. yes no really complex strategy. Basically a big old baseball bat hammering away at 2 main targets at time.
I will agree with you that to a major extent no real tactics involved. The strategy was point squads and request them to do something.
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The only problem I have with a beautifully executed plan was that towards the end of the struggle, instead of attacking the Rooks, the Bish helped them get the reset by attacking knights.
I guess they just wanted to end the misery faster.
Frankly, I had a good time. I had no idea what was going on, but I was able to take up a 262 at 95 perks, and sawing some Rook Bombers in half.
This must have been an organizational nightmare to get this done.
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Oh, and while their was strategy involved I agree with you completely that with 2 to 1 odds it doesn't have to be complex, masterful strategy to accomplish your goals.
If any side say one a reset while significantly out numbered that would be a hell of a strategic accomplishment.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What you did wasn't strategy in any event. Well, not in any realistic sense anyway. I'm glad everyone had fun though, but let's not kid ourselves about the amount of strategy involved in deciding to steamroll this country or that with greater than 2 to 1 odds. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Bingo!
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Muckmaw .. missed that. But for some reason it always seems to happen that the one side ends up not attacking the dominant country when a major drive is on to reset a country.
Glad you had fun. Oh, another problem for Rooks was toward the end the blood lust got so bad that we had some give into it and were film bombing sheep, trees, rocks and some were actually trying to scrafe blades of grass around Knight fields. :)
As for organizational nightmare .. not too bad but Grimm and RJO been emailing for over about two weeks getting it setup, rallying troops, and getting ready, etc.
The go time was set at 8:30 and via email squads were group together into strike forces with bombers assigned with escorts. Then we logged in GrimmCAF (the RJO CiC for this event) assigned them their targets and we went.
After that massive bombing attack on the Bishop the rest of the night was more of him directing the battle and the squads to targets as things developed and the fronts shifted. At the end of the night it was steam rolling the last several knight bases.
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geez... whiny girls abound in this thread.
SLO, congrats, you've sunken to new lows of crying by labeling a whole country as having one flying style that you don't approve of. I'm thankful your gang isn't rooks, I enjoy shooting you guys down. Busher is truly a class act, you're blessed to have such a fine CO. I rarely hear him whining in here like you do.
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Originally posted by gofaster
The problem with pre-announced JO in the MA is that one squad could get on there early and trash everything beforehand. :(
There is not "before" or "after" in a 24hrs environment. If anybody wants to really show talent in organization, do something that is not restricted to a few hours.
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Originally posted by ccvi
There is not "before" or "after" in a 24hrs environment. If anybody wants to really show talent in organization, do something that is not restricted to a few hours.
You mean like scoring 34 victories/14 deaths in a plane with a MA impact rating of 0.38? :p
Seriously, though, for a straight-up country vs country event, for it to be a true contest of skill and organization, each country should start out with equal resources and in a 24-hour environment, that's not going to happen.
I think a SEA country vs country of squads would be interesting, since it would be a controlled environment (of sorts).
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What you did wasn't strategy in any event. Well, not in any realistic sense anyway. I'm glad everyone had fun though, but let's not kid ourselves about the amount of strategy involved in deciding to steamroll this country or that with greater than 2 to 1 odds. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
I agree, nothing especially impressive other than they can get a lot of people to log on at the same time (which is no small feat I suppose). Other than that this is just an Aces High adaptation of a Denial Of Service attack.
Not my cup of tea, but then if I don't like it I have the option of doing something else. (I play AH too much already anyway) However, HTC should be sure any new players go to rook side on those nights though. Sure wouldn't want any potential subcriber to think this is a fair picture of gameplay in AH.
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Originally posted by Zanth
I agree, nothing especially impressive other than they can get a lot of people to log on at the same time (which is no small feat I suppose). Other than that this is just an Aces High adaptation of a Denial Of Service attack.
Not my cup of tea, but then if I don't like it I have the option of doing something else. (I play AH too much already anyway) However, HTC should be sure any new players go to rook side on those nights though. Sure wouldn't want any potential subcriber to think this is a fair picture of gameplay in AH.
sooo how many people are in the Damned now 300
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Originally posted by Krusher
sooo how many people are in the Damned now 300
lol, Krusher--would that be a problem?
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I logged on and said wow what an bellybutton whoppin. Then noticed we had 2-1 over both countries. And to be honest we did find some good fights when the bish were in force and most of the rooks were crushing the knits. I think the suffering only lasted about an hour, and then the rooks were swamped again. DUnno gave me 20 perks I was happy.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
The only problem I have with a beautifully executed plan was that towards the end of the struggle, instead of attacking the Rooks, the Bish helped them get the reset by attacking knights.
I guess they just wanted to end the misery faster.
Frankly, I had a good time. I had no idea what was going on, but I was able to take up a 262 at 95 perks, and sawing some Rook Bombers in half.
This must have been an organizational nightmare to get this done.
Where as the knights would turn over bases to the Bish to stop the reset. Ya thats a lot better. Cant believe a MAW came on here to whine about numbers. Christ. Its the whole modus operandi of the MAW. Instant obediance from incompitant masses, best thing that could happen to most of your pilots is to have to fight for thier lives for a few months. Its amazing what it does to your abilitiys in the games
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Originally posted by TW9
DIdnt know 1 post good reflect on an entire country.. But what do i know? Im an american.. :rolleyes:
TW9 Im not saying every american says it. Its just throughout my entire 32 years as a citizen of the UK I have never felt censored in any way.Its just not an issue for us. Im trying to now remember any event where freedom of speech was brought up over here with regard to my country and not some foreign regeme.A news bulletin or item in a paper? nope sorry cant think of one example. But apparently according to bfreek its something i should be concerned about?
Im sure you like me dont even think about freedom of speech until you see some country like Afghanistan where it IS important and denied. Bfreek is obviously another 'living in a dream world' AH'er. He even suggested the Canadians are censored in another thread. Sheesh they aint censored, its just no one listens to them hehe ;) (JOKE JOKE)
I meant no offence to the average American I assure you.I know too many ;)
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Originally posted by Zanth
Last night might not have been so bad if the rooks had not bravely decided to change course and bully the already smallest and overwhelmed country. (I suppose the chances of success must have looked a lot better.)
Sorry, ma'am, but you suppose wrong.
The idea was to piss off as many enema as possible. We already had all the Bish strat WAY porked (all under 20%, most under 10%) and had captured a wad of Bish fields that were secondary targets of the main raid - so Grimm made the call that it was the Nits' turn to suffer :)
Honestly. It was discussed on channel 2 that reset was a secondary consideration last night. The quote that sticks in my mind was "No, we don't wanna reset, its more fun to play with our food" ;)
culero (member of the Rooks Equal Opportunity Terrorfleigers)
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A single player can piss of as many as he wants to, that's like a natural right.
Many pissing of few isn't respectful towards the few.
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Originally posted by culero
The quote that sticks in my mind was "No, we don't wanna reset, its more fun to play with our food" ;)
culero (member of the Rooks Equal Opportunity Terrorfleigers)
That was the unsung Hero of all this. GunrCAF!
Thats a line that sould long be remembered ;)
Gunner was at my side here in the Command Center in Wisconsin. He keep me upto date on what squads were moving were, of course the big white board had everyones squad posted on it.
If I wavered for a moment, Gunner was there to help me keep focus. He relayed Orders and caught questions I might have missed. When I was evaluating what target was next, he was right there with solid suggestions.
Another Unsung Hero would be BulletHead (BH3841) BH put together all the data needed to assist the rooks.
FlashCAF worked with BH getting the squad ready for this. The entire Cactus Air force had a part to play. Its really an honor to work with the men of the CAF.
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Originally posted by Horn
lol, Krusher--would that be a problem?
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Not to me, but I think Zanth is against large numbers :)
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Originally posted by ccvi
A single player can piss of as many as he wants to, that's like a natural right.
Many pissing of few isn't respectful towards the few.
In whose opinion?
This game is all about breaking each other's toys and taking each other's places. Team play is emphasized by the design.
So, therefore, it could be as easily said that a few whining about many engaging in team play aren't respectful.
Or, it could easily be said they're just plain whiners ;)
culero (get a clue! ya want a fair fight, go to the duel arena!)
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Originally posted by Krusher
sooo how many people are in the Damned now 300
Krusher its actually 299 but only 5 can actually be considered any good in AH:}
Say hi to the wife:}
:D
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Originally posted by AHGOD
I logged on and said wow what an bellybutton whoppin. Then noticed we had 2-1 over both countries. And to be honest we did find some good fights when the bish were in force and most of the rooks were crushing the knits. I think the suffering only lasted about an hour, and then the rooks were swamped again. DUnno gave me 20 perks I was happy.
Is that how you spell " Leutnant"? :}
:D
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sry didnt read the whole post but ....
Grimm... IMHO alerting the other countries to RJO would be a bad idea.
the MA would turn into the same it always is but with bigger #'s. thats defeats the whole purpose of RJO. i though it was for us to get together and crush the enemy.
oh well my 2¢
<>
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Hazed---ya have ALL the freedom of speech ya want in US & UK....until the speech in question becomes poilitically left of center;
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JB73,
Sort of reminds of that Conan movie....
"Conan... What is good in life"
"To Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of thier women"
Doesnt that sorta of sum up last night??? ;)
I do agree, losing the element of suprize would perhaps put a damper on things. But with RJO, If the Lead Squad and CiC wanted to put out a challage to the enemy. Thats good too. I will go where ever my countrymen need me.
Ghostdancer had an interesting Idea on an RJO vs _____ would be interesting diversion in the SEA.
Its Good to be a Rook :)
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hmmm freedom, censorship? the US????
Come on!! tune into some canadian tv channels sometime!!
legal for women to go topless in public in Ontario... Canada... find me a state (or states) that permit that +)
SKurj
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I flew quite a few sorties in a 163. Too many inbound from all directions to up a spit to do the pilot thingy.
I flew REALLY fast.
I had fun flying REALLY fast.
That about covers it.
..then I went to bed.
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Originally posted by nopoop
I flew quite a few sorties in a 163. Too many inbound from all directions to up a spit to do the pilot thingy.
I flew REALLY fast.
I had fun flying REALLY fast.
That about covers it.
..then I went to bed.
NoPoop, Sounds like a different kinda night.. At least you made the best of it. :)
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Hey you guys had a blast. Believe me it was a different map to look at from the Knights side as time went on.
Different, different is good.
And flyin around in a rocket was fun too.
Would I like to see it every day ?? Nope, but it was almost epic in it's size.
Main thing is a WHOLE lot of people had fun doing something of a magnitude that isn't seen very often.
That's fun.
Went to the CT and had a few fights, that was fun too.
Yesterday I was a FUNGUY...
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Originally posted by ccvi
A single player can piss of as many as he wants to, that's like a natural right.
Many pissing of few isn't respectful towards the few.
Gawd, how did this limp PC crap come into this den of cut-throats? :eek: Wait, I know. It began when AW got onto AOL and people who Hated each other and tried everyday to kill each other as often as possible suddenly had to start acting polite to each other on the message boards or be banned. From there it spread to company-sponsored boards like this one, and even to the point of having a "bad word filter" on ch 1, of all things.
But I digress. Still, it just makes me sick to see so-called fighter pilots whining about a lack of respect, like their nmes are supposed to feel their pain or something. Geez. :rolleyes:
Anyway, ever since it became standard practice in MMP flightsims to "win the war" by taking over the world, there has been a Darwinian imperative to do so or have it done to you. Especially when the games started handing out tangible rewards for doing so, over and above mere bragging rights. And naturally, given basically equal skill and organization across the board on an average night, the way to win the war is through numbers. Which means the outnumbered side gets ground into dust. That's not being disrespectful, that's just life in the big city. Get over it.
As to pissing folks off in the process, ain't that the whole object? This is WAR, after all. But we can't actually kill each other, and virtual death is pretty painless even in game terms. Thus, the only way to inflict lasting damage on the nme is emotionally. If you can get somebody to flame you on ch1 for kicking his bellybutton repeatedly, spoiling his plan, or whatever, you know you done good. It's even sweeter when the nme logs off in total ego meltdown, and you can imagine him throwing his joystick against the wall :cool:
You might have noticed, us RJO guys have had nothing but respect for all the nits and bish who held out to the bitter end, fighting us every inch of the way for Hate's sake if not in hope of victory. Having been on the receiving end of resets way more often than not, us Rooks can really appreciate that kind of resolve in others. But did we want them to go to bed fuming mad afterwards? You bet we did :D.
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367th didnt mind a bit, was kinda fun to watch,
Wtg!
S!
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I'm bummed I missed it. 300+ Rookie baby harp seals floundering around the MA waiting to get their little heads bashed in, it's a Knight's dream.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
300+ Rookie baby harp seals floundering around the MA waiting to get their little heads bashed in, it's a Knight's dream.
It really kinda was. It was a statpotato's wet dream.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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proof that the real strategy in AH is... the side with the most numbers wins.
I wasn't on but I imagine that there were a few places that we could catch 5 or 7 or the timid horde and kill em.... still not as fun as finding real fights tho...
just a novelty act. Just proof AH needs some work.
lazs
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Originally posted by Silat
Krusher its actually 299 but only 5 can actually be considered any good in AH:}
Say hi to the wife:}
:D
She says hi back !
Btw I have the wife (lalust) flying now.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Where as the knights would turn over bases to the Bish to stop the reset. Ya thats a lot better. Cant believe a MAW came on here to whine about numbers. Christ. Its the whole modus operandi of the MAW. Instant obediance from incompitant masses, best thing that could happen to most of your pilots is to have to fight for thier lives for a few months. Its amazing what it does to your abilitiys in the games
Oooo .. another expert on the MAW and its pilots.
I had a blast landing multiple 6+ kill sorties. It was amazing watching all these planes fly around in a frenzy with no SA at all to speak of.
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numbers a problem? switch to the lowest numbered country get a 262 for 100 perks and go terrorize the busiest enemy airfield. rtb with 11-17 kills a sortie. rinse, repeat. stay low and stay at 500mph and dont worry about anything.
numbers mean nothing to a 262. if another 262 comes along... kill it and keep slaughtering helpless prop dweebs
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OOPS! meant to say RIGHT of center
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Someone actually whining about Rook numerical advantage? Someone better call the Weather Channel to see if Hell froze over.
ack-ack
ROFL !
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Originally posted by lazs2
proof that the real strategy in AH is... the side with the most numbers wins.
I wasn't on but I imagine that there were a few places that we could catch 5 or 7 or the timid horde and kill em.... still not as fun as finding real fights tho...
just a novelty act. Just proof AH needs some work.
lazs
Shortly after the RJO turned its attention to the Knights, a large group of Knights organized a counter attack aimed at porking the primary Rook staging field. I counted 27 Knits in the main group with several more trailing behind. As I watched their gaggle slowly climb over the high ridge (coming from A60 to A49), I climbed about 3k above them. Most of the Knits were flying P-51Ds, along with a few P-38s, Tiffies, Yaks and La-7s mixed in. After alerting my fellow Rooks of the raid, I rolled in on the gaggle. I got 4 on my initial pass, two more over the field. Then, just like that, they were gone, wiped out by a mass of about 80 Rooks. Only a handful made it to the field. Rough night to be flying as a Knight.
I have been of the opinion that field captures are too easy. That bases are too easily neutralized and ships too easy to kill with HE type bombs. However, I don't see that any of those, be they hardened fields or ships, could have stood up to such an overwhelming number of attackers.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I have been of the opinion that field captures are too easy.
My regards,
Widewing
I think so too. I liked the fact that in that defunct game you had to destroy certain percentage of the base (think it was 69%) and get your drunks to the base within 5 minutes of destroying the base. Or you can increase the amount of drunks needed for capture, so instead of 10 drunks you need 15 drunks for capture, requiring two drunk transports instead of just one.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by ccvi
A single player can piss of as many as he wants to, that's like a natural right.
Many pissing of few isn't respectful towards the few.
Man, You would never have survived the 666th-Etal or the Boards on GEnie. Go back to playing Literati or something non-confrontational
BH, Could you imagine what DoK would do with this? ;)
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Originally posted by Widewing
I have been of the opinion that field captures are too easy. That bases are too easily neutralized and ships too easy to kill with HE type bombs. However, I don't see that any of those, be they hardened fields or ships, could have stood up to such an overwhelming number of attackers.
My regards,
Widewing
Id have agree Widewing. Captures are pretty easy with the huge numbers countries can throw against them. It used to be 5-10 guys would target a feild and work it over, vulching those coming up and having a goon standing by. It seems now its more like 30-40 guys muscleing there way to a feild. perhaps its time to adjust fields based on the hordes, at least make them harder to pork. The Strat Facilities seem about right, but base facilities are a bit easy to destroy.
Regardless, Thursday RJO would have swamped anyone under, we simply had a big number advantage. Also we were working as a team. The best thing that came out of it for us, was the feeling of teamwork and community these big ops build. Well, it was kinda fun to read the whines too lol ;)
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Originally posted by hazed-
Bfreek is obviously another 'living in a dream world' AH'er. He even suggested the Canadians are censored in another thread. Sheesh they aint censored, its just no one listens to them hehe ;)
What else can you expect from some trailer park trash on welfare?
Ack-Ack
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Talking to some of our advisaries that night, It seemed they got a kick out of having 262s for about 90 perks. That perk adjustment seems to work out pretty well.
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I think the oddest thing about the original post in this thread is the comment that it isn't so much fun when a country outnumbers the other two countries combined. This happens EVERY WEEKDAY around 10 AM - 2 PM US EST when the Bishops outnumber the Rooks and Knights combined. Your right as a Rook it isn't much fun at all. Why are you complaining though for you it happens once a month. For me it is an everyday occurence.