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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Grimm on July 11, 2003, 12:16:05 AM
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Thursday night might not have been a good night to be a Bishop..
It wasnt a good night to be Knight...
BUT IT WAS AWSOME TO BE ROOK!
Tonight The CAF lead the RJO and I was CiC, I and my squad have been planning this for sometime now.
Our plan was to completely take down the Strat of one entire country and see what effects it caused
Well, Bishops where the stronger of our enemies, so they drew the Strat card. RJO Squads totaly wrecked all strat targets, reducing all strats. we porked forward bases as well.
Then in the interest of spreading the hate, We switch and started pushing the knights. our flank was pretty secure because the Bishops where messed up.
RJO Squads pretty much steamed over the knights.
I wonder what our opponets thought...
The Total Strat Destruction really seemed to put the hurt on the Bishops.
Advance Planning and pumping up the troops gave us a huge numeric advantage. We held steady numbers thru the entire evening.
WELL DONE RJO SQUADS!!!!!
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The best part was when I checked Strat and found out that both Bish and Knits were radar less. :cool:
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Nice job, Grimm!
I was late getting the word out to the fellow Shills about the RJO (completely my fault) and was also late logging on (by about an hour) but I understand that we did get a couple of guys (Monster0 and CLShill, to be precise) to escort the Skyknights' bombers on the initial HQ runs. By the time I logged on, both Bish and Knight HQs were smoking craters and the SKs were making their B17 attacks on Knight factories and airfields. I tried my hand at gunning for 2Slow of the Skynights but the enemy fighters pretty much stayed away or were intercepted by Rook fighters before they could get to the bomber stream. M0 and CL were in fighters to assist in airfield attacks and base defense.
By this time, all 3 of us Shills were in fighters and plugging holes where best we could, trying to find enemy resistance and suppressing it. Monster0 was operating up north, I was working to the southeast, and CLShill was alternating fronts. At the time we won the reset, I was strafing buildings and Knight gvs in my FW190A8 and CL was airlifting troops into the town. M0 was west looking for Knight air resistance.
Hopefully I'll be more on the ball next time and will get the word out to the rest of the Shills and be able to put up more pilots. M0 and CL seemed to have a lot of fun doing it despite my lack of leadership and I'm sure I can talk a few more guys into participating in the next one. I'll pay closer attention to the radio frequencies and mission objectives and hopefully we'll have more of an impact in the operations next go-round.
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Rooks. The best part of being a Knight was the 50% discount of perk planes in a target rich environment. :D
Great organization & planning. My hat's off to you.
Glove
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just curious... how were the numbers in the arena during this awesome strat exercise? Lotta people come online as knits or bish diring this fun fest? wonder how many new players logged on and said.. "wow look at this awesome, chesslike, complex strat... sign me up!"
lazs
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We had the task of dropping the HQ of the target country. Our mission launch was set for 8:45est, as I started gathering the squad, 2slow reports being almost to Bish HQ in 17s. The next thing I know, he reports HQ down!
Grimm comes on channel and announces that Bish HQ will be our first target... "Uh, Grimm... we just killed that. " :D We launched on time, figuring that Bish HQ would be up again and sure enough it was (but not for long ;)). The Shills and Flying Tigers AVG were running escort duty for us and I personally didn't see any enemy planes get to within 3k of our bombers.
With Bish strat being in total ruin, Grimm orders the squads to the Knits and sure enough we get tasked with hitting Knit HQ. Again the Tigers AVG and Shills kept us free to work, resulting in the third HQ kill of the night for us.
The rest of the evening was spent killing this hanger and that, carpet bombing Tigers that just wouldn't die, etc. A great RJO and a to our escort.
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:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
We had a great turnout and the best time ever flying in B-17s , its been a long time and thanks to Grimm the Hawks were back in all Buffs. What a night I ALL who were there and IMOP it was fun.
To bad some players have to cry about the numbers, but if they took a long look at past weeks the ROOKs are usually out numbered and I have not noticed any complaints .
JSO Opperation Officer
NightHawks VA- 185
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Originally posted by lazs2
just curious... how were the numbers in the arena during this awesome strat exercise? Lotta people come online as knits or bish diring this fun fest? wonder how many new players logged on and said.. "wow look at this awesome, chesslike, complex strat... sign me up!"
lazs
Lazs,
The MA numbers were about normal for primetime before we started. At the time the RJO started, Rook numbers swelled to about 300. The Bishops and Knights numbers held steady most of the night. A Credit to them for fighting the hard fight.
Im not sure what a new player would have thought last night. But this was far from a normal night. Normaly you dont toast all the strat in a country, then turn and steamroller/Gang the other country into oblivion.
Did you get a chance to fly at all last night??? It would have probably been Lazs hell. (thou a target rich enviroment)
After the Reset about Midnight, everything was back to MA statis Quo.
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It is truely possible to have a EVENT in the main arena :D
ROOK JOINT OPS :cool:
I salute Grimm and all ROOK squads for a great RJO effort and a good time had by all!!! Squads stuck to their assignments best I have ever seen!!
Great trip! Great RJO! ;)
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zerg, baby, zerg!
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Grimm, CAF, and CJO. Even on the receiving end of dozens of hizzokas and Soviet 20mms, it was fun. :D
This is how the game should be - Im really surprised you guys came together enough as a country to actually work as a country.
My hats off to you.
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Laz I kept watch on the numbers for the night. For most of the night the Rooks had basically the same amount of pilots as the Knights and Bishops combined (their combine total a few times had like 10 more pilots).
The rook side had about 280 on average with a peak of around 300 at one point. Knights and Bishop numbers stayed around the 140 range each for the night.
Even after we reduced the strat facilities of the Bishops and pushed them back into just 10 bases their numbers stayed in that range. So we didn't see them doing a mass log off. The Knights kept their numbers pretty constant too up until the last base was siezed.
But I don't think I saw either side drop massively in numbers anywhere from 8:30 - 12:30 that the RJO was going.
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Boy, what a steamroller the Rooks put on last night!
to you guys for the planning!
It was surprising that, when you set your sites on the Knights, the reset didn't happen more quickly. The Knights were not even fighting the Rooks full-time, as we were still defending from the Bishops South of HQ, and attempting to take a couple of Bishop bases on the South-East coast. On the few times I ventured toward the Rook front, I only saw a few Knights defending those bases. It wouldn't have mattered anyway with the 3 to 1 ratio.
On the plus side, it was a target-rich environment, and though I didn't successfully land any kills last night, the perkies were high on my kills. Those that like to ride perk planes were getting them cheap, too!
All in all, GJ Rooks, but I'm glad it will be back to normal now!;)
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Yep .. 3 - 4 weeks roughly until its abnormal again.
Knights put up a good fight.
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to Grimm and the CAF command for the planning.
to all the other Rook squadrons in the core of the RJO.
to all non-core Rook squadrons who jumped on board.
Special to the Bishops and Knights for being worthy opponents.
On behalf of the Skeleton Crew...
scJazz
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Something was afoot. Couple of bases showing BIG dar bars. On Bishop channel someone wrote, “check roster 247 Rooks”.
I put the metaphorical book down me pants, knowing my arse was about to spanked.
I think all Bishops gripped hard and braised themselves. Sure enough we got spanked but plenty had presents of mind to Strat back. Bishops managed to nail all but one of Rooks forward facing barracks. Enough to make Rooks target Knights… until troopers were enabled again. We were slapped down to 10 bases with only 2 fields undamaged.
The type of Bishops comments ranged from “Doomed…we’re all doomed”, “Oh hell (cleaned that up) it ain’t fair”, “We done it to them enough. It’s our turn” to “Wow target rich tally ho”,
After the initial shock of it all. The part where U Rooks may have thought, Bishops resembled a chicken with its head cut off, trying to kill Barracks. Missions upped for a fight back. We recaptured some bases before reset, partly; due to the fact Rooks were working knights. Without wanting to come across sour grapes you Rooks were “Out on a Jolly”.
IMHO
I got to hand it to you Rooks you done a good job all round. Any army going to war ideally should have 3 to 1. Was jealous you guys mustered so many .
Was a little disappointed with some Bishops fighting over a Knight V base in the north while the south was taking a kicking. A V base that the Rooks would have away in minutes. Was glad Bishops didn’t Log on mass but despite the odd grown here and there, fought back . Was amazed that when Knights (nitwits as Bish call them) were down to just 1 flying field they fought back…against a Bishop field. GO FIGURE!
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recon7 said:
It was surprising that, when you set your sites on the Knights, the reset didn't happen more quickly.
That was just our usual "problem" popping up again. When the RJO gets into juggernaut mode, we only pork certain key things at fields so we can quickly use them at full strength to continue our advance. Problem is, only about 1/3 at most of the Rooks in the arena are in the RJO, so most don't know this. Many of these random, disorganized guys join onto our attacks and bomb stuff that shouldn't be bombed, thinking they're helping. The damage they do slows our advance considerably.
That's what happened last night. Over-enthusiastic non-RJO vandals killed troops, fuel, and bombs at nearly every field we captured from the nits. Thus, we had to make very long hops from places where we still had offensive potential. Oh well, maybe the common herd will learn someday :)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
This is how the game should be
Damn straight, most fun I've had in the MA since I started flying AH. There's nothing like having a plan and working as part of a team - exactly why scenario play is such fun.
I also agree with your "take" about being on the receiving end. Trying to be the wrench thrown into the gears of the juggernaut (as I've seen the opportunity to be from the Rooks' side many times) allows for fast and furious action, plus the satisfaction of knowing you're messing up someone else's plan :)
The nights when the fights are unfocused, even numbers, spread thin all over the map, are the "boring" ones for me.
culero (one way or another, pissing off the enema is gud!)
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Originally posted by Bullethead
Problem is, only about 1/3 at most of the Rooks in the arena are in the RJO, so most don't know this. Many of these random, disorganized guys join onto our attacks and bomb stuff that shouldn't be bombed, thinking they're helping. The damage they do slows our advance considerably.
That's the big drawback of all squad based operations. How can you expect those that are not in RJO squads to be cooperating with you if everything that counts for most players is their squad? It creates tunnel vision, focusing on squad members, hiding the rest.
There would probably more cooperation on a broader basis without squads at all...
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Originally posted by lazs2
just curious... how were the numbers in the arena during this awesome strat exercise? Lotta people come online as knits or bish diring this fun fest? wonder how many new players logged on and said.. "wow look at this awesome, chesslike, complex strat... sign me up!"
lazs
Dont want to brag guys but I told ya so last night :D
WTG Grimm.
Great Job Rooks.
Hail NightHawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's the big drawback of all squad based operations. How can you expect those that are not in RJO squads to be cooperating with you if everything that counts for most players is their squad? It creates tunnel vision, focusing on squad members, hiding the rest.
There would probably more cooperation on a broader basis without squads at all...
I don't agree, I think it works quite well. I was in the same room as Grimm helping the coordination. Communications were for all to see, so anyone not in an RJO squad could have joined in. We did not turn down any squad, small squad or individual who wanted to join in. Rogue Rooks that did not participate did a great job working other areas of the map. As a mater of fact, I was counting on them and they pulled through.
RJO is all about squads.
Gunner
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It was surprising that, when you set your sites on the Knights, the reset didn't happen more quickly.
The Knights put up a great fight with the overwelming odds. They didn't let up until the last field fell . I was surprised the numbers of both Knights and Bishops stayed steady and didn't drop off as I have seen before before a reset.
Gunner
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Well,
I thought I would share with you what we saw from the command center. Its a bit long, but Perhaps some folks might enjoy it.
After the big Op was done last night, Gunner and I sat and talked about the Operation. We where trying to come up with the squad that really did the best. The problem was, Everyone did so Dammed good it was hard to say one squad out shined another.
The Big Squads did there jobs, the Little Squads were in there scrapping. COs were making good judgement calls, everyone was keeping command here updated and informed.
The fact that everyone stayed together when we shift north against the knights was an outstanding credit to you all.
The Only effort that really stood out, was the defense at 48 just as we swung north. This was a real dirty job. I know the Nazgul were there, and probably some others. Id have to give the MVP to the Nazgul and there help. WTG Guys!
So On to the AAR From the Command Center.......
This Mission actually started about 6 months ago. Bullethead, FlashCAF and myself have been working toward this for a while. BH did allot of testing and prepared the data for a major strat raid, Flash doing ops for the squad ran a few strat nights for us to get a feel for how it works. the data was put together our plan.
A couple weeks ago I started to harass everyone to get signed up on the RJO mailing list website. I wanted to make sure we had everyone on board and ready to go. I asked for opinions from you guys on how to make it happen. We took that all into account when doing the plan.
So, at 7pm(central) I signed into AH and Started to prepare for Operation Big Load. I knew we would be pushing it starting so early, but you know how the RJO wanes later in the evening. I wanted plenty of time to do things properly.
At 7:30 Gunner arrived at my house as I was typing out target assignments for anyone that might have missed Email orders. He got settled in and by 7:45 (central) we were ready to rock.
The Bishops had the strongest position of our advisories, so we targeted them.
As Squads started rolling things got hectic on our end. lots of questions, lots of reports coming in, But I called for COs to make judgment calls, you all know what to do.
One of the Coolest parts of the night came next. I was stationed in a map room with the Stat Chart in front of me. I would watch the numbers (in %) rapidly falling 95%,83,58,57,54,44,32,21,15% just counting down as each target was hit.
Squads were ordered to secondary targets or to pork fields, we even got some bishop captures. at about 8:15 my time, things looked pretty bad for the bishops, they had NO Strat. Everything was down. It stayed that way all night, until the reset.
All week I had been considering making a second run to pork both countries, but with the numbers the rooks had rallied for a SUMMER RJO, it was apparent we would roll up the map.
Looking at the clipboard, it was obvious the Bishops couldn't sustain the war now. they just didn't have fuel or troops or much else to advance. The Knights on the other hand were starting to rally to push on our back door. The enemy was close to balance as far as fields and numbers, but the Knights at least had some strat, so thy were now the bigger opponent. Spread the Hate and Switch north. I made the call to move against the Knights. All Squads made the transition and the push was on.
Gunner and I assessed the Map and decided the way to achieve this would be to go up to the very tip of the map in the north, then push south again, pinching the knights between us and bishops.
It was a hard fight, We had been instilling Pork Pork Pork all night, it was hard for guys to stop. I cant blame them, we were having a grand time. still it made it hard to advance bring troops long distances. Still everyone stuck together and kept pushing. Slowly key fields fell one by one. Around midnight my time, we capture the last field and we had a reset.
The Bishops had been Crushed by Strat, the Knights had been crushed by field captures. we ruled the map and we had fields darn near from shore to shore.
I would have to say, Last Night was most likely the best night I have ever experience in AH or AW. I can thank all the RJO for that! Iv seen alot of comments that it was the best RJO to date. I have to agree, and Its a credit to everyone involved.
ODM!!!!
Grimm
CAF-CO
CiC - Op Big Load
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I wasn't there grimm but asside from the mental masterbation of thinking you were causing earth shaking grief on your "enemies"....
sounds like the actual event was as boring to participate from either end. Pretty much the definitive AH 'strat' experiance eh?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I wasn't there grimm but asside from the mental masterbation of thinking you were causing earth shaking grief on your "enemies"....
sounds like the actual event was as boring to participate from either end. Pretty much the definitive AH 'strat' experiance eh?
lazs
LOL!
Well, I think it would have been boring for you, but I had a good time. I was hoping you would have been there to see it. oh well.
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It is very sad that some pilots in Aces High cannot tolerate diverse views on how pilots enjoy Aces High ("my way or the highway" mentality like LAZS), cheap shots abound here in Aces High from a minority of pilots who do not have a sense of community or team. Being a lone wolf pilot is fine but the “Jerry Springer” attitude of a few hurt the Aces High community potential. There is more than one arena, and more arena options in Aces High TOD to come. The Aces High community is really a society of its own not unlike the world we live in. We will do ourselves a favor by showing more tolerance/diversity in the Aces High community to increase the enjoyment we all get from flying Aces High. Find the Aces arena, squad, lone wolf ops that you like and enjoy. It never ceases to amazed me the trash talk and cheap shots that you see in forums or on CHN 1. But again that is the Aces High society we live in and need to work things out.
Aces High is putting a great effort into AH2! I hope they put the same effort into creating an Aces High community that has LAW and Order, Fair and equal treatment, treating people with dignity and respect, and no tolerance for destructive comments in any forum or CHN1. Pilots need to have free speech to present their view but not in a destructive or offensive manner. I was pretty comfortable getting younger relatives involved in Air Warrior, Ace High is rated R or XXX at times and I am not comfortable any longer getting young folks involved and have seen Father/Son teams leave Aces high for that reason. That is a sad and lost opportunity for Aces High.
Grimm, I have already told you but I will say it again. That was the best Aces High Event, ROOK RJO, I have every participated in and it clearly shows what the Aces High community is capable of when they work together in a positive manner!!! WELL DONE!!:D
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> Grimm and the RJO.
I was amazing to watch - even from a Knight point of view ;)
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lazs2 groaned:
sounds like the actual event was as boring to participate from either end. Pretty much the definitive AH 'strat' experiance eh?
Well lazs, seeing how you never seem to enjoy anything, I'm not surprised you feel that way ;).
But I thought it was a lot of fun. AFAIK, nobody has ever attempted to simultaneously destroy all of a country's strat before, so it was very cool just being part of the attempt. That the attacks succeeded spectacularly made it even more so. After that, I agree it was pretty much the usual steamroller to the reset, except that 1) we were pitching instead of catching for a change, and 2) we aimed at the OTHER country out of pure spite, so that we stomped both bish and nits in the same reset. That's something you don't often get to do, so was also cool in its own way. Especially since we weren't expecting to get a reset when we set out :D.
I hope HTC is studying the effects of the big strat attack and checking the results against what they want the system to do. Who knows? Maybe a better strat system, one you might even like, will rise from the wreckage in bishland.
The thing I'm curious about is this: how long would bish strat have stayed down if we'd not reset the nits? I mean, nothing was higher than 18%, and most was below 10%, for 3-4 hours after the attacks--essentially no repair happened at all. Now suppose the Rooks and nits had agreed NOT to reset each other or the bish, but basically just furball along their front while ignoring the bish (after porking their fields to limit their reach). Would bish strat have EVER repaired? Could we have consigned the bish to the wasteland for several days straight? Now THAT would be Evil :D
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Sounds like a few people are tasting sour grapes ;)
~Rookie
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Originally posted by lazs2
I wasn't there grimm but asside from the mental masterbation of thinking you were causing earth shaking grief on your "enemies"....
sounds like the actual event was as boring to participate from either end. Pretty much the definitive AH 'strat' experiance eh?
lazs
Wow... our lives are now complete. Lazs has spoken... Ohmmmm! I for one can now discorporate knowing that his royal self has spoken.
Hey Lazs...new idea... why don't you just shut the ********** up! Unless you actually take the time to think first.
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I logged in with a few squaddies, you guys were moving so fast we couldnt get to the front before the front moved! I had started with a fuel porked c205 which i ran out of gas, then switched to hvy 51 which i flew around in for a long time due to the fact the intneded target fell just about as I got there. I saw grimm's recruitment notes so knew something was up, so gotta say wow, that was quite a display!
Nice work :D
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Originally posted by Bullethead
Now suppose the Rooks and nits had agreed NOT to reset each other or the bish, but basically just furball along their front while ignoring the bish (after porking their fields to limit their reach). Would bish strat have EVER repaired? Could we have consigned the bish to the wasteland for several days straight? Now THAT would be Evil :D
Hmmm....intriguing thought there, BH.
Does anyone remember those "War Weekend" deals 7blue (from Germany) tried to get going at AW3? (The idea was a weekend-long event with free-style competition amongst the countries, squads fighting for their flag in shifts around the clock, thus giving all time zones a chance to participate/contribute.)
Maybe an extended time period RJO could be a good idea for the next massive RJO, focusing on your idea of suppressing strat for an extended period of time? :)
culero (diggit!)
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I dunno if we =GHOSTS= were a "core-squad" or not, but we all had a GREAT time during the RJO. We got orders from somewhere and followed through as best we could.
It was a great night; absolutely amazing to see an entire country work together like that.
Thanks, Grimm & all Rooks. :D
F4i
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:) :) :) :) :) :)
Im short on long phrases but to see all the real thoughts come out here is really cool .
Why play if your not having fun ?
Does your side ever win ?
Can you lose without feeling beat up ?
Can you accept losing a reset ?
Is there something wrong with team play ?
Do you ever win ?
Is it OK if someone else wins ?
To bad for thoes that cant see that all we do here is sit at a computer and pretend to kill each other and when we die it hurts so bad the FUN is gone and you even pay for it.
No mater what side wins a reset it because an effort was put forth and if it works its real sweet .
I Salute all AH players that like FUN the rest of the winers , well you can take a hike .
I for one thougt the RJO was a blast and am waiting for the next reset no mater who gets it and will say my money was well spent and if ya dont like it stop playing . I dont think you will find a better game around so lets all have FUN .
ENOUGH SAID
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ahh... the joy of being an insect. sure, you ain't much individualy but get that hive mentality working and have a huge supreriority of numbers and..
and what? you prove what everyone allways knew about AH... the country with the numbers steamrolls. Next you are gonna tell me that late war planes work good in AH.
bragging about being an insect... will wonders ever cease?
lazs
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To think I used to live in Dixon, CA. (1977-2000) :rolleyes:
Can see it's gone to the other side :cool:
Lazs2, You have your litter box, use it in piece :D
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I was thinking of moving to Texas. Maybe corpus cristy... sounds like houston is full of insect people.
lazs
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WTG Grimm sounds like your boys did a great job, shame that a thread that was started to celebrate a nice bit of teamwork ends up with Lazs once again entering and name calling.
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I was actually hoping Lazs would join in the conversation. I do respect his opinions on things, sometimes we are even in agreement. Not on everything mind you, but some topics. He just likes to ruffle things up a bit. I am sad he didnt get to see this happen first hand.
Thanks Revin for the good words, and to everyone for the compliments. It really was a lot of fun for us to pull such a big strat strike off.
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Lemme see...lives on Left coast, speaks of "hive mentality" are you a left wing, liberal, tree hugging, bedwetter? Sounds like it. You are prolly one of those suffering from ADD and need yer drugs (Riddelin) to pay attention. sheesh! :rolleyes:
Looks, too, like yer home schooled and have no people skills!
Sometimes a group meeting or event has a good effect on folks. They need leadership, they need a sense of purpose, and of worth. Being an individual is the best thing we can be, but we can all be stronger and better, sometimes, if we gather as a group. The hive mentality has worked for ants and bees longer than we humans have existed. So your analogy to insects IS correct.
Maybe, in time, you might try flying with a squad just to see how they work. You don't have to join, but be a part of their OPS and see how they think. It's easy to be a solo pilot, why not try being part of a team.
The Cutthroats fly our Squad nite WED 10:00 EST. We usually have small numbers, 6-8, but we plan a mission, or just defend.
Most OPs for us are AD HOC and we still have fun as a group. We are part of RJO but a very small part, or not at all. We cant muster enough pilots some nights to count for much, but we have fun together, whether it is alone or as a few wingmen, or full strength. We fly ROOKS totally. Yer welcome to join us, and see.
Originally posted by lazs2
ahh... the joy of being an insect. sure, you ain't much individualy but get that hive mentality working and have a huge supreriority of numbers and..
and what? you prove what everyone allways knew about AH... the country with the numbers steamrolls. Next you are gonna tell me that late war planes work good in AH.
bragging about being an insect... will wonders ever cease?
lazs
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
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You wonder what your opponents thought?
Im a Knight and I didn't think anything of it. Normal operating procedure. When a Knight you get used to operating with your back against the wall.
Nice job though with good teamwork.
Swag
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ka ka ka ken... I live in Northern California.. we don't even stutter here. You might be surprised Ca. is a big state. Charleton Heston was the best president we ever had.
so you are proud to be an insect? You get your identity from being part of the hive? Must be an AW guy huh? (not that there's anything wrong with that).
grimm... I wasn't on but what was different? The game lately has been the large timid squads planning milkruns with late war planes. When it happens enough then people will either live with it or leave. It is VERY predictable. If yu would have asked me before the raid if it would have worked I would have had not trouble in predicting the outcome. What yu guys did was predictable. I don't enjoy predictable especially if it involves boring gameplay.
lazs
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The only thing
worthy was that you planned, coordinated and executed a simultaneous strat attack on a whole country. That is pretty impressive to get the timing down to whack out all the cities, factories and the HQ within a short amount of time. Definite for that, in all seriousness. :)
After that, bullethead admits it was nothing more than a zerg rush. The bigger hamster turns the wheel faster than the smaller one in AH. Plain and simple.
Had the Rooks pulled off the simultaneous attack and then proceeded to pummel the bish (or even bish and knights) with equal or even fewer numbers, then I would have been really impressed. Seriously, was the outcome ever in question? That's Lazs' point, and I'm surprised some fail to see it, or choose not to. You double the numbers for a country, and they'll win the reset. Just like the fight is easier in a 109G-10 than a 109E-4.
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Lazs is just upset because he didn't have enough gas to get his FM2 to the front lines.
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Grimm-
You and the rooks did a great job in strategic planning an execution. I had alot of fun, though at times it was frustrating, but mostly, it was blood pumping action.
For the life of me, I can't figure out how you pulled off such a monumental task, and I only wish the next time you pull this, the Knights and Bish have equal numbers to really give you a run for your money.
Any chance we can get Rip to come out of retirement and plan a KJO night for the next RJO?
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Was a fun night, even as a knit. Lots of targets :)
Was getting kinda funny as people logged on saying - Oh watermelon - we screwed lol --- Rooks seem to always get the short end of the stick in map wars, so once they get a reset - it usually is well deserved.. lots of good sticks fly rook, so hopefully you all had fun....Because as you know - you will be the doormat team til the next rjo :)
NwBie
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MuckMaw do you think you could organize a bunch of Knight Squads to meet the RJO squads for say a country duel in the SEA?
We could ask Flossy if we can rent the SEA for tonight. Pick a terrain and then say go at each other for 4 hours. I don't .. say side with most bases win .. of course start with equal number of bases.
Or we can work out some sort of setup / starting point for a major two country war. RJO versus KJO.
Or we can look into other ideas.
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Nifty nails the shot, nuthin' but net.
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Ghost-
I can get the MAW, Freebirds and USMC. We usually run joint ops anyway.
Let me see who I can get on the horn.
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yep... niffty get's it.. really surprises me that so many don't. wishful thinking has a lot to do with it I suppose... that and denial.
lazs
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I think that a pretty fair assesment Nifty.
Only other thing that we can hang our hat on was rallying that many. it was a way bigger turn out that I ever excepted.
The original goal was never a reset, our goal was to kill all the strat. I think that it was a "different" kind of goal, that got people interested.
I think everyone gets bored with the hampster wheel from time to time. We all need something to spice things up now and then. maybe that was why they were interested.
I am very interested in the Idea of doing something like this, both sides working as a teams, in the SEA. That would leave the MA untouched for those not interested.
The only down side is this, if it is alot of fun, we might suck a large number of players out of the MA on that night. I hosted an even on That-sim-that-shall-not-be-name. (a little harry potter lingo) It was a monthly AvA night that was pretty much a free for all. So one night out the month, the FR arena had only about 25% of it normal numbers.
Again thanks for the good words guys, It was a fun night for the CAF and the RJO :)
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Muckmaw,
Currenty the RJO consists of:
- 1º/4º GAv Pacau- Brasil
- 327th Steel Talons
- 339th Fighter Group
- 4 Wing Squadrons
- 52nd KIWI
- 81st Krewsaderz
- 9th Flying Knight's
- << Dragon Hawks >>
- =GHOSTS=
- Airmageddon
- Cactus Air Force
- Hells Angels
- III/Jabostaffel
- JG27
- NightHawks VA- 185
- Nightmares VMF-101
- RAF229th
- Shillelagh
- Skeleton Crew
- SkyKnights
- The Flying Tigers AVG
- The Flying Zoo
- The Magnificent Seven
- The Skeleton Crew
- TIGER Squadron
There are a couple other squads that participate every now and then but our not yet in the RJO db yet.
- 412th Fighting Brauncos
- Blue Thunder
- Cutthroats (K-ken)
- Nazgul
On average it would be interesting too see how many pilots actually turnout for an RJO event. My guess is an extra 120 pilots on average.
So a match up between the squads you can round up and the ones that we can rally, depending on the night, could range I guess from 120-200+ on our side. Friday Nights and Sunday nights we get much better numbers.
I am interested and I think I can safely say a bunch of Rook squads would be interested in a Rooks versus Knights fight (duel) in the SEA. Lets work on seeing how many are interested and then we can talk to Flossy about renting the SEA for a couple of hours.
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You can certainly count on the Cactus Air Force to lend support if we want to give this a whirl....
I envision something like this....
pretty much a full plane set, two countries with about the same amount of start fields. Set a start time and an end time. Set Goals/ Points, Unlimited lives, few rules, Just sort of turn everyone loose and see how they do.
Goals might include Total Air to Air kills, Strat Targets bombed, Fields Captured.
We should keep tossing this around, it might be a great kick off at the begining of fall, for the main flying season.
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ya know... I don't think I have ever heard of any of those sqauds except maybe ghosts because their sig is so blatant.
lazs
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Not suprising since you don't really fly Rook.
Out of the Knights I recognize the MAW, Freebirds, and MAG-33, and Most Wanted. The rest I don't really recognize.
As for the Bishops I recognize the AKs and 13th TAS.
There are some squads I know from Squad Ops such as the FDBs, 68th Lightning Lancers, etc. but really don't know which country they fly for in the MA.
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we recognize the same squads.. the others are insects suited to "joint opps".
lazs
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So your saying because you don't recognize any of the above squads they are insects and not suited for much. Interesting attitude.
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Maybe it is because Lazs hasnt been around long enough? or that he doesnt pay attention to much beyond Yanking and Banking.
Some of those squads have been around nearly Ten Years and have been their pilots have always been strong community supporters.
Hey wait.. Community.. Insects are Community minded, support each other and their inviroment. I guess most all the good guys are insects ;)
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guess so but... still rather run into guys that put up a memorable fight.
lazs
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Grimm, Gunner ,
! Thanks for all the work you guys put into it.
I had a total Blast ! I flew Fighter escort for the SkyKnights, after all, I AM a SkyKnight !!:D
to the Shills for escorting the bombers.
This was probably one of the funnest nights I have had in a long time. Not just because we were winning for a change, but because of the team work. Everyone really pulled together as ROOKS ! That is what makes the game fun ! I talked to guys I never usually talked to, Got to know a few more people, leanred a few more things.
Salute to the Bishops and Knights ! Plenty of you guys shot me down Plenty of times ! ;)
Again, I had a Blast !
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Originally posted by lazs2
guess so but... still rather run into guys that put up a memorable fight.
lazs
LOL!
Yeah, I like a good fight too. I did take a P40 and did have a good fight (even if I ended up losing vs a LA7 & a 109) a couple days ago. probably the best one of the tour. It was fun and Ill remember it for a while.
BUT... the Super Strat run will stand out for me much longer..
Must be my Bug type Brain ;)
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Rad1,
Thanks for the compliment. It was more fun than you can imagine putting it all together and pulling it off.
Im glad to here your comments, Thats IMHO one of the primary functions of doing Joint Ops. You get to know your fellow countrymen better and meet a few you might not know.
Then after linking up for something like this, you see those guys you worked with and feel the need to say Hi or clear there six if you see them in trouble. It tends to build new friendships outside your squad.
Thanks to the RJO Iv built alot of freindships with darn near every CO and XO of rooks squads, Iv gotten to know there key folks also. If Im up on an off night and want to link up for a mission, I just start asking and Iv got many invitations to fly along. I met hundreds of good people all stemming from joint ops.
Thats what community is all about... again it must be my Buggy old brain... ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep... niffty get's it.. really surprises me that so many don't. wishful thinking has a lot to do with it I suppose... that and denial.
lazs
The ones who "get it", lassie, are the ones who have fun with their friends. Not the whiners, like you.
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Originally posted by lazs2
... I don't think I have ever heard of any of those sqauds except maybe ghosts because their sig is so blatant.
we recognize the same squads.. the others are insects suited to "joint opps"
lazs
Hmmmm... that's ironic as we were busily hammering radar, etc. I mentioned that "Laz would hate this."
Several mission members simply replied... "Who is Laz? Never heard of him." :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Alpo
"Who is Laz? Never heard of him."
Ba-da-BOOM!
Heheheeee...
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they are unlikely to run into me if they never leave the hive.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
they are unlikely to run into me if they never leave the hive.
lazs
Good for them, that way they wont hear you whinning :D
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Not that it would twig anything with you, as you're more intent on studying yourself rather than the going on's of others, but the 4 Wing Squadrons are a combination of my two squads the 416 Lynx and 441 Silver Fox.
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Lemme see......"run into me", as in HO? I'd love to. If you are not a ROOK, I would be honored to duel you in any setting you should choose. Your choice of plane. My only rule, equal plane, equal fuel and loadout, and equal altitude. Merge is a NO fire on first pass. After that, anything goes. May the best dweeb win! I will film it too. And if you cheat, I will link it here for all to know.
Make my decade! PUNK! (in Dirty Harry Voice)
(if you are a ROOK, I respectfully withdraw the challenge-I don't fight against rooks and never fight a fellow cutthroat. It's a code of ethics we adhere to and live by.)
Originally posted by lazs2
they are unlikely to run into me if they never leave the hive.
lazs
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
(http://www.webdesignbyken.com/images/CMCsmall.gif)
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kkkken... I fly about every night between 6-8 pacific. I am very easy to find. I will be happy to fight you any time you like. My only rules are.... there are no rules. All you have to do is find the furball I am at and jing in and try to kill me. It's not hard... every 3rd person or so does it. I cheat so well tho that you won't be able to see it even on film.. It costa a little extra every month to buy the special "veteran cheats" from HTC but it's worth it I think.
"Not that it would twig anything with you, as you're more intent on studying yourself rather than the going on's of others, but the 4 Wing Squadrons are a combination of my two squads the 416 Lynx and 441 Silver Fox."
still never heard of any of you guys. where do you hide?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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still never heard of any of you guys. where do you hide?
Usually on your 6.
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well... next time you are there take a shot or just say hi..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ya know... I don't think I have ever heard of any of those sqauds except maybe ghosts because their sig is so blatant.
lazs
Its nice to know that Lazs has never heard of me. :p
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Grimm-
You and the rooks did a great job in strategic planning an execution. I had alot of fun, though at times it was frustrating, but mostly, it was blood pumping action.
For the life of me, I can't figure out how you pulled off such a monumental task, and I only wish the next time you pull this, the Knights and Bish have equal numbers to really give you a run for your money.
Any chance we can get Rip to come out of retirement and plan a KJO night for the next RJO?
Muck,
Iv been thinking about this and it would be alot of fun to H2H in the SEA. I hope we can work this out some time in the future.
BTW, Met some Maw here at the CON... good folks!
HT seemed to get a real kick out of some guys actually flattening the strat system. thats what it was built for.
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Originally posted by lazs2
ya know... I don't think I have ever heard of any of those sqauds except maybe ghosts because their sig is so blatant.
lazs
Lazs,
If you're talking about the =GHOSTS=, I'm not sure how we're "blatant."
But, if you're talking about Ghost Dancer's squad, I have no comment other than we respect the Nightmares. :D
F4i