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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Snowy on September 15, 1999, 03:53:00 PM
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Don't take this the wrong way please. If ya want to start an unlimited arena, which is a great idea I'm all for it, you may not want to alienate your canadian clientelle.
the 30 dollar american exchange rate when converted for canadians using a visa charge plan will be just short of 60 dollars a month... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
At that rate it would be unfortunately a bit to rich for my blood....
20 yes
30 way to high in canadian funds...
The cost for me and several other canadians would amount to the same as what it would cost us to purchase a new game every month...
I hope this helps you in your quest to set the perfect pricing plan that will satisfy everyone.
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Sorry snowy thats not going to happen.
HiTech
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and japanese will spend thousands of yen does that equal thousand of dollars us no.
the exchange rate dosent really require explanation here does it. so many of ours = somany of yours it is the same amount.our minimum wage is like 5.25 usd what is yours? higher i bet.
You are payin the same we are.in short and have a higher standard of living at least the 98 percent that live with in 20 miles of us border do .
also i cant think of the last time a got a 30 dollar box game. 1986 i think 688 attack sub i think.
towd
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Thanks Dale, np just a expressing a concern, as for -towd-, tone it down a notch there bud. Canadian minimum wage is 5.50 an hour, not even half of what yours is if you do the exchange rate on it. As for games 30 american translates to 48 to 55 canadian depending on your location and the business where you purchase your game.
Most new games in canada are all 60 or less depending on the business you buy them from.
I hope you can see your way clear to understanding just what my concern was -towd-, I wasn't complaining, just offering constructive input from a different perspective. I have and always considered Dale's opinion to be valid and in no way have I ever challenged it.
I personally may feel that 30 american may exclude some canadians from playing; however, I am not one of the few who would be affected thus.
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Nobody can make you angry, you choose to be.
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my appologys i had no idea your min wage was so low. i thought usa had lowest of industrialized world. i was so happy when i heard the 29 dollar news i forgot that some people are in even harder monitary situations than myself.
sorry man really
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Hehehe snowy, the pain for an American to spend $30 US is the same pain for a Canadian to spend $60 CDN.
Besides, tell Dale how much you spend a year on health care (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (PS the fact that it's second rate and subsidised with human lives doesn't count) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Besides, this is an issue to take up with Chretien, not HT. Why not ask Jean why our dollar is so pathetic?
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[This message has been edited by Kats (edited 09-16-1999).]
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You guys obviously forgot about our poor Italian friends, who'll have to spend MILLIONS of Lira every month...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sascha
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And what are 30$ in polish "Slotties"?
Starky, JG 301 "Heimatverteidigung"
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$30 is about 250 SEK, or little more than half the price of a premium boxed game (SEK 480 or so). During my WB peak usage period, I spent in the region of $100-150 a month. The bill is considerably lower these days.
$30 flat rate seems about right - although I'm far from sure that I'll be a customer anyway, for various reasons.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) whoopsy
[This message has been edited by dogsta (edited 09-16-1999).]
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Hey snowy&kats,lets just ask chetien to subsidise are accounts for us,or at least make up the difference of the exchange (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
well it was a thought.
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when you least expect it.
there I'll be.... A perfect target :)
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Actually dogsta...If we could get hitech to move the servers to Shawinigan Quebec...all Canadians could could probably play for free!!
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Rosco
*Flying Aces*
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lol thats a novel Idea, a canadian server.
Things that make ya go hmmmm>>>
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I could go for the canadian server, I live in north of Detroit, my ISP is in Flint. From Flint to Detroit, to CHicago to Virginia to Texas.
Could shoot from say Flint to Detroit to CHicago, to say Toronto?
Or better Flint to Detroit, to Toronto
Or Better I will clear space for a server in my Basement. (HTC Would have to pick up part of my electricty and phone bills though.)
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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Several of my Aussie Squad mates are already lamenting the exchange rate..
$30 US = around $50 Aus. from what I've heard.
Being on a limited budget, $30 will be a really hard push for me, but I'll give up a couple others if it's as good as it looks so far..
Food?? whatta ya mean we need food this month?? just give me coffee and popcorn!!
and a t1 line.....
SC-GreyBeard
Flt Leader
Skekton Crew
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GreyBeard
Flt Ldr
Skeleton Crew
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Hi Greybeard,
I've seen many pilots from across the pond lamenting how their paying more than their American cousins. I'm no economist, but isn't the whole point to the exchange rate is to determine the relative values of currency? So "in real terms" aren't they paying the same relative amount as we are ignoring the minor differences in living standard. Isn't it like saying :
"you only had to run 1 mile,
I had to run 1.6 km!"
Dazed, and confused,
AKWabbit
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Hi Hitech
I still think the $30 is a seriously bad idea. Rivals with the same type of game are only charging $6 a month.
You could probably get allot more pilots flying your game if the price structure was looked at a little more carefully, I think you might find people will be struggling to pay £30 sub every month, if the arenas start looking dry those who can pay wont wanna cos theres hardly anyone to kill.
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ACES_Hotpants
Http://acesrock.cjb.net (http://Http://acesrock.cjb.net)
ICQ 9713301
ACES ROCK!
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Well, wether everybody agrees or not, we'll just have to wait and see if it floats when they push it in the water. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Andy
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Hotpants: the difference between us and them is that we don't have a multi-billion dollar corporation backing us.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Which is a good thing IMHO. To many cooks in the kitchen will make "that other game" turn into a game (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gimp
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Another Aussie here paying approx. AUS$55 a month for the US$30.
I along with most of my squad mates will definately being trying the Beta - hopefully I'll be able to afford $55 a month for AH if it is good enough.
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P/O kkoori
75 Squadron RAAF Australia
Australian Aboriginal Soldiers Homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/6545
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Hehe, $30=750 rubles (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
My official salary is 370 roubles per month. It's what I pay taxes for. Still I think I can afford playing AH. ;-) I will not need coffee and popcorn - just beer and salted fish. In fact - I prefer it to "food" even now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Speaking of a reasonable flat-rate in Russia, I think that 50-100 roubles ($2-$4) per month is maximum that non-addicts will be able to pay. I don't think AH team is THAT altruistic ;-)
Even if they are, another problem is to deliver money to them. I am tired of solving different problems with my CC in Most bank. And I lost about $200 when Rossiyskiy Kredit bank was ruined a year ago.
But, as I mentioned above - this counts only for non-addicts :-)) Poor me!
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Actually, it all amounts to the same thing.."two weeks" haha.
roundy
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Actually, it all amounts to the same thing.."two weeks" haha.
roundy
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Occasionaly I see double post.Occasionaly I see double post. Can some one tell me what cuases them?Can some one tell me what cuases them?
HiTech
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Assumming no sarcasm..
Double post ussually result from a net burble causing the client computer not to get the message the post went though the first time. So the poster hits submit reply again.
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Thx rzch wasn't ment to be sarcastic.
HiTech
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wuz funny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) wuz funny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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man and im pissed cause my toyota needs body work.
how the hell can u live on salted fish and beer, crist all that salt and alcohol has got to be bad for somthin in your gizzard.
also i have got to fly with you boroda you are a trooper. you russians have been gettin the short end of the stick so long its amazing. you are this texans hero for a day where the hell do yu live in russian?
well moore to the point.
in airwarrior my favorite plane was la7 (was it the 7?) the most fun to fly for me ( all cannon 2, 20s as i remember or that was the rumor and a short clip)it could be flown in either a b&Z mode or turnfight well. it was the master of no form for but decent at all.
I.E. easy to get tactics right.
you just fought the fight you adversary sucked at ( and ran like hell from spits)the hand of a good pilot made it a first rate plane (aginst the super 9spit in aw nothin had a chance)in the company of 109s and 190s.
you get lots of attention as la7s were treated like yaks to the uninformed. and i got lots o suprised angry messages cause prople never saw um in the air.
in short bring on that la5 baby !!!!
i assume the la5 is a similat aircraft, what is the armmement of a la5? were there historical variations battle field modifications in armement ? hell i for one have the time. and newsgroups are free hehe ( its hard to fly at 2.oo an hour after reading the posts for flat rate hehe.
towd 44th
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I guess the point is that $30 US is still cheap enough that the arena's will be maxed out if people enjoy the game (personally I think it's really cheap compared to other forms of entertainment).
Of course there will be people that can't afford $30, but there are also people that can't afford $1. What the hell are you supposed to do, run a charity?
Actually this thread has given me an idea hehehe - ever read "letters from a nut"? Time to write one to Daimler-Benz hehehehehehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Kats, you're looking for corporate sponsorships eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
"kill of xxxxxxxx awarded to yyyyyyyy from Always Coca-Cola"
"kill of xxxxxxxx awarded to yyyyyyyy from Pizza Hut"
We might even see a broker negotiating ad contracts for squads (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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-bmbm-, XO 56th FG
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Time for phaetn economics 101...
US$30 is US$30 is US$30... it doesn't matter what it converts to... any fluctuation in exchange rates will affect only non-Americans but will equally affect any other game that is paid for in US$ by these same people.
What has to be compared, then, is the perceived value against other products in the same market. How many people spend more than $30/month on Warbirds? A pile of them do. Think of the people who have the $29.95 plan and then still have to pay per hour after that... I have the $19.95 plan and kick myself almost every month when I don't manage to show any restraint and end up paying more than $30 and realize I could have bought more time for the same price. Plus, I'm a Canuck too, Snowy, so I feel your pain... (although relieving it is all covered by state sponsored medicine! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
US$30... okay, it's not exactly cheap... but then the play is UNLIMITED! If you play more than about 18 hours a month then this is the same rate as WB, with NO EXTRA COSTS for any extra time. If you play less then remember that you are paying for a new generation sim that has some elements that WB doesn't.
Imagine... playing for five hours straight (when the wife is out! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) and not having to worry about racking up a bill.
I can feel my arms going into spasms already from the sustained use of the Force Feedback! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers all,
Gian "phaetn" Vitzthum
phaetn@dogfighter.com
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well i will just say this! GAMESTORM $9.95 a month unlimited games like airwarrior classic, airwarrior3 3d, aliens online, battletech, legal crime, godzilla, jack nicklaus golf, legends of kesmai, casino poker and many more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) also AIRWARRIOR VIETNAM is in the works (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
i dont care how good the game is im not gonna pay $29.95 a month unlimited when i have gamestorm & AIRWARRIOR3 <G>.
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Yeah $30 US is a bit of stretch (aussie pilot here) but at least thats the total price no matter how many hour I put in. More pilots will be willing to buff and not be worried about the cost to climb to 25+k, More pilots will be willing to stay on DAR and vector countrymen to the cons. All pilots will be able to practice a lot in there fav ride ...not just the rich ones. I cant say for sure but I think a fixed price will build a stronger community and better game play than the "pay per play" wb's setup.
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Absolutely right laika!
The one real benefit I see from an unlimited pricing plan is that there is no financial encouragement to get a 'quick fix'. If you're paying $2 an hour or thereabouts the temptation is to take off from the nearest field - zoom over to the furball at 3K and mix it up.
With an unlimited pricing plan I'd certainly be prepared to spend an evening or two manning the radar, or climbing to 20k in a buff, or flying high alt weaving escort missions on those buffs.
As one who regularly spends over $100 Australian per month on the other game, I can't wait for AH to debut.
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I'm Canadian and $30/mo would be great for me
if you can't afford $30/mo I'm sorry to say but maybe online sims are not for you.
I payed over $100/mo for WB, now THAT is rich. Man, it'll be fun taking bombers for a change. Also, LONG scenarios will be a possibility, no more 45 minute slugfests.
Morc (Looking forward to seeing this come out)
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Gamestorm? godzilla, Air Warrior 3d, come on guys were talking grown up advanced beyond Warbirds type flying here. I for one will be happy to fork over 30 US a month for a real enviorment that pushes the power of my all to expensive computer system to the brink! What the hell do you need a Pentium for with a Gamestorm level simulator? You wasted your money!
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Gamestorm? godzilla, Air Warrior 3d, come on guys were talking grown up advanced beyond Warbirds type flying here. I for one will be happy to fork over 30 US a month for a real enviorment that pushes the power of my all to expensive computer system to the brink! What the hell do you need a Pentium for with a Gamestorm level simulator? You wasted your money!
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YEAH!! Gamestorm $9.95 a month unlimited & it does not cost extra to play the senerios:P
im not trying to knock ACES HIGH but come on $29.95 is a bit much if you ask me..
and for your Expensive Computer System all the EYE CANDY will cause lag warps etc...etc..
and as for your remark about the pentium kesmai is working on AIRWARRIOR VIETNAM whitch will require you to have a PII.
and as for me wasting my money hmmmmm
i shoot DWEEBS like you out of the SKY all day long for $9.95 a month unlimited & your sitting here waiting on ACES HIGH so you can do the same (or try too) for $29.95 now tell me who wasting there money?
ACRS HIGH does look good dont get me wrong i will like to try it out and see how everything looks & works.. i wish ACES HIGH the best of luck but like i said before the price is too HIGH...
AHA* (WHISTLING DEATH)
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The way I look at it is simple.
From the sounds of it or at least going by the average ages of players in the other game those in my Squad included.
$30 Bucks US = $60 NZ (New Zealand)
Yip $60 bucks....Its about the cost of 1 nights drinkin or eatin out, Chicken feed (thats an expression).
So, most of us are workin and earning some money,if you're not then get off ya fat lazy bellybutton and get some..ok ok, my point is in relative terms its the cost of 1 nights beer so drink less and fly more and stop ya grizzling.
-subz- RNZAF
[This message has been edited by subz (edited 09-22-1999).]
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See WarDog? $30.00 *will* help keep the Quakers out. And those that can pay it will not hang for long with the learning curve.
Some kind of quaker filter in the beta would be nice....
But then again look at all the targets!
--Curly
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$30 a month is a helluva deal. I spend about 60-75 a month on WB's right now, and I've had it as high as 150.
Excellent choice in pricing guys.
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-Rebel 487th Lil' Bastards
"You love a lot of things if you live around them, but there isn't any woman and there isn't any horse, nor any before nor any after, that is as lovely as a great airplane, and men who love them are faithful to them even though they leave them for others. Man has one virginity to lose in fighters, and if it is a lovely airplane he loses it to, there is where his heart will forever be."
--Ernest Hemingway
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hmmm bmbm .. I like that ... how about
Kill of -bmbm- awarded to Firefox of the BOEING Group
Cool
Slap me now, Ill go back to playing AH and make sure its ready for you Wolves.
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Rick "Firefox" Scott
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Hey Snowy, you make some good points! I feel the same as you do. No one wants to have a price that is so high that only a few very motivated and well-heeled people in Canada and other countries with unfavorable exchange rates will be able to enjoy AH. Time will tell on this issue, but thanks to you for raising it!
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Do the math. If you log into AH and never leave, it will cost you about 25 cents an hour for a month of non-stop flying. The same time in WB would be about $1400. Can you see the light? If AH is as real as a sim can get, I will probably give up my real life and become a AH junkie.
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A handful playing at $30.00/mo or an armful playing at $10.00-20.00/mo? I'm surprised at the price. I understand that it's hard to get something like this going, let alone any business venture going, but maybe, and it's just a thought......would you rather be playing against the same few players all the time that you've been playing with for years?? Or, have more players and new blood (pun also) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) to fly against. The $30.00/mo fee is going to exclude many a potential customer. My opinion is to lower the price and lure more new players to AH,which would broaden the customer base and create more revenue than having a higher price with fewer customers. I'm sure all those involved in the decision making process had already thought of this, but, I haven't seen it addressed yet and just wanted to see what others think. As for those complaining about "dweebs" from other flight sims, let's not forget that we ALL have the same interest and dedication in combat flight sims and the hope of seeing a better combat flight sim is common to us ALL.
I knew quite a few people that were interested in checking out AH until the pricing plan was announced, when they found out, all I heard was, shi*. They're not even going to check out the beta. Maybe no loss to some of you saying that it's their loss, but REVENUE, my boy, REVENUE. CUSTOMERS.....CUSTOMERS.....P AYING CUSTOMERS.....
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rob53
Maj Kram 428th RCAF
AW ETO2
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"A handful playing at $30.00/mo or an armful playing at $10.00-20.00/mo?"
I'll take the smaller number. I have more fun in a good 1v1 or 2v2, against skilled opponents, than in huge furballs of baby seals. Also, a smaller community will develop a more cohesive culture, than a large transient group. Do you have more fun with a few regulars at the local pub, or with a big crowd of strangers at MacDonalds?
My $29.95.
popeye
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If the customers aren't there...then the whole thing goes under ;(
So far everything here looks great and I hope they make it. I hope there are enough customers to make it happen!!!!!! 1v1 or 2v2 is great fun, furballs suck, I AGREE!!
But if the customer base is low, then ACES HIGH will be ACES in the hole.
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rob53
Maj Kram 428th RCAF
AW ETO2
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Rob53, I do believe the customers WILL be
there. And at $30.00 per month <checks
Rob53's sig file> folks won't have to put up
with the type of kiddie crap that pervades
the RR arena you refer to. Not saying you're
the cause of that baloney. But you do seem
to proudly display your stomping grounds on
your posts and that would lead to guilt by
association. I for one would be embarrased to
add AW ETO2 or WB ACA to a sig file.
Here's an honest question: Why would you be
interested in flying a MUCH tougher flight
model in Aces High if you don't even fly
under AWiers FR settings???
--Curly
[This message has been edited by Curly (edited 09-23-1999).]
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I'll take the smaller number. I have more fun in a good 1v1 or 2v2, against skilled opponents, than in huge furballs of baby seals.
And what's wrong with Baby Seals? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Baby Harp Seals
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I am in absolutely no way[/b] trying to sound elitist...
however, I think AH is designed to attract the hard core type player who is willing to pay a premium price for a premium product... premium to a point: it is flat rate so after the initial high cost there is no other additional cost and therefore will be seen as a benefit for those used to paying "per play" for long periods.
Curly makes a valid point, although perhaps he is not so subtle about it: WB definitely has better physics modeling than AW3... this cannot reasonably be refuted. Why do all AW players not flock to WB then? Likely because of its higher cost; the extra realism isn't worth the price for them. That's not who AH is marketing towards... they want people who are willing to pay for realism.
Since, then, AH is trying to attract a crowd willing to pay a premium, they have set WB as its major competitor (since WWII On-line hasn't announced details or pricing yet). They had to make AH pricing competitive with WB, but still high enough to generate decent revenue.
A high flat rate does that (and gets rid of nasty billing code, too!). It attracts people willing to spend $30/month for a top quality sim (quite a few WB'ers will do that) but then offers them added value by making it flat rate.
Again, I am not thumbing my nose at AW players, just suggesting why the pricing structure may be as it is. Those that have powerful enough computers to run Aces High (D3D capable card required; P200 very, very minimum) probably have a higher disposable income than those that have slower ones and might be willing to fork out the extra shekels. For some it would be a saving over WBs. For others, like AW players on a budget, it would mean going to one less movie (plus the horrendously expensive concessions) a month and putting it towards AH instead.
The bane of WB in my experience is that it is too easy to rack up bills of vast proportions... and for what? Transitory entertainment. If one has already played a lot in a month then ability to pay becomes a big factor and limits more play. A flat rate gets rid of that danger for a lot of people who just don't want to stop playing. Same cost every month! That may be attractive to more AW players than you think: they know they want to play 25 hours a month... in WB that is just too expensive ($37.50 on the platinum plan... more on a lesser plan) and what happens if one month they just have to play more (to cope with a divorce based on immaturity and financial neglect, for instance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )? If they know that $30 is the ceiling, that might just be worth it to them.
There are lots of other variables to consider, too, apart from lower cost attracting more players. Whether that is more profitable depends entirely on how many more are attracted, and how many are willing to keep accounts current. Even then, its mere exclusivity can be attractive for some people, too (this doesn't have to do with snobbery, it has to do with game play).
To sum up, I think it would be a pity to just say "it's too expensive, I won't even try the Beta." The Beta is free, why not try it? Make an educated decision at that point: it is personally worth it to pay more for this simulation, or, alternatively, it's not. The decision is based on the merits of the game.
Remember: whatever the market will bear...
[This message has been edited by phaetn (edited 09-23-1999).]
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I guess it's all relative to where you've been. Those of us whom have been spending upwards of $50-100/month for years playing Warbirds feel like our ship has come in. Those whom have been paying $9.95/month for the past few years feel like their ship just struck an iceberg.
Like any other product or service, the people who make the product try to determine what price the market will bear, and those that can afford it will pay to play, while those that can't afford it(or choose to spend their money on other things) will not.
I'd love to drive a Mercedes Benz, but since I can't afford it, I've learned to be happy with my Saturn. Should Mercedes lower the price of their cars to $20,000 so I can own one? (I wish they would)
I wish all of you on a tight budget could find a way to afford to play, as it would be great to have you. But they are running a business, and if they are able to produce the best online flight sim, why shouldn't they be able to make a good profit?
Kier, as in Kieren? Is that you, bud?
Phaetn, excellent post. You are a very reasonable chap! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Bax (-baxl-)
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Very nice (and diplomatic) way of putting it to say the least Phaetn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AH has announced (imho) a wonderful middle
of the road price. Escpecially for those who
have tired of an older sim and want an
something new. Who also want to rid
themselves of the 'quakerwarriors' scourge
but either could not afford $2.00 an hour
or did not feel the difference was worth that price.
There are *alot* of AWiers for whom this
sim has definately caught thier eye.
Sure it's more than $9.95 AWiers pay now
but the majority, of those who's eye this sim
has caught, signed onto GameStorm when the
intial flatrate was $39.95 per month a yeatr ago. In other words the veteran FR crowd. When Gamestorm went to $9.95 the community
changed worse than even the old DOS folks who
cringed at the coming of the Ten Thousand
Dweebs could forsee.
The now the VAST majority of subscribers are
relaxed realism flying, baloney spewing, chest thumping immature cretins who now have
GameStorm by the balls because THEY are the
majority now. And the bean counters cater to
the majority. <rolls eyes>
Here at AH many (many!) AWiers(and I imagine maybe Fighter Ace and other sim types) have
the chance to fly a potentially better sim.
Everything from drop tanks, to
selectable load outs. -A- damage model!!
Selectable firing for cannon or machine guns! Many things WB'ers have had. At the same time I see AH has many things AW has had. Nice to see it all rolling into one product/sim.
I'll cough up 30/month for peace of mind, even if I only fly 15 hours per month so that
I'm not constantly looking at the lock to count the minutes, not being constantly fearful of the next Visa bill and to also to know that when I log on I'm not going to run into a crowd of base porking, macro spewwing retards.
--Curly (the demure and grammatically challenged)
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I'll cough up 30/month for peace of mind, even if I only fly 15 hours per month so that I'm not constantly looking at the lock to count the minutes, not being constantly fearful of the next Visa bill and to also to know that when I log on I'm not going to run into a crowd of base porking, macro spewwing retards.
LOL! Okay, Curly managed to paraphrase my whole post in "five lines or less". So much for walking on eggshells! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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WOW. I did the math again and found a major error in my hourly calculation. I believe that you can fly for about 4 cents an hour if you choose to fly 24 hours a day, 30 days a month. Someone check my figures.
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Just a point in relation to exchange rates.
I'm an Australian, and our exchange rate at the moment is approx. $1AUD = $0.75USD.
My maths (and I'm a shocker at maths!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) says if I play AH, I will get unlimited hrs for roughly $38ish Australian. If I play WB's , I get charged $13ish AUD, plus $2.50/hr. If I fly for say, 15hr's a month, that will equal $50ish Australian.
I'm starting to confuse myself here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) but the point I'm trying to make, is that it is all relative to your countries exchange rate. ie. USD=USD no matter what your exchange rate is.
Do the maths - if you fly for approx 15 hr's a month, it will be cheaper to fly AH than WB's.
Confused? I am. I think I'm making sense. I think I'd better go to the pub for lunch. This is beginning to hurt my head. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by -rkat- (edited 09-23-1999).]
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Oops - double post
[This message has been edited by -rkat- (edited 09-23-1999).]
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Curly,
I didn't want to make this a WB vs AW3 topic. I for one am happy in AW3 and I DO fly FR with a decent kill ratio. The squad I belong to is in the process of transition to FR. FR is a blast, and challenging!! Why do you wnat to knock the AW'rs? Me Embarrassed?? HELL NO!! I tried WB, it was good, but I couldn't justify the cost (married, with children (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
Finances dictate my choice of gaming! That's the reason I posted to this topic, and was hoping someone would agree that more customers paying less each would create more revenue fot Hitech Creations than less people paying more and then we could ALL together enjoy what appears to be a hell of a flight sim, mutually. What it sounds like coming from you is that if you are not a WB'er then u ain't shi*! C'mon!!
Whatever the game, whatever the settings, we all enjoy the same thing---flying and the community within (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), I definately enjoy the friendships in AW3 more than the game itself. The game is just a medium. Just recently, last weekend as a matter of fact, myself and 11 of my squadmembers got together in Toronto from all over the U.S. and Canada. What a trip!!, meeting people that I've only talked to on vox and "flew" with, now that's community!! (rambling now aren't I?)
OK, point being.......regardless of where we currently play, for whatever reasons we are playing there, it doesn't matter! We are ALL looking for the same thing....A BETTER COMBAT FLIGHT SIM, and this one may just be it!! But the cost is going to scare away MANY a potential customer! If it's dweebs that you are worried about, do you honestly think the price is going to keep them out? A few I'm sure, "classy" people also will not be there. Dweebs usually burnout quickly and lose interest after a short time anyway.
I say we all cut the cutting on where we are from and enjoy what is coming up!
--I salute you Curly-- (with all 5 fingers too) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Maj Kram 428th RCAF
AW ETO2
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i agree with Rob the price is not gonna keep the DWEEBS out. anywhere you got to play any online game there will be DWEEBS & Smartasses. 90% of the smartass dweebs in aw3 are adults that are spoiled sports that squeak & whine about anything & everything.
as far as the Dweebs i can deal with but the smartasses i can do without & i dont understand why dweebs are such a problem? big deal there not as good as you at "the game" i supposed you learned everything on your first time up? just rember we were all dweebs at some point & time. i rember my first time on aw on aol smacked the ground hard trying to shoot my shadow after losin sight of the enemy SA SA lol..
<S>AHA*
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You guys obviously forgot about our poor Italian friends, who'll have to spend MILLIONS of Lira every month... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yes, but not for flying in whatever simulation you like... only to be connected on the phone to the Internet...! Since in Italy you pay for the duration of your call on the phone (either speaking or connecting by modem it's the same...), bills are particularly high for Internet surfers. I personally spend over US $250 montly in phone bills (two hours online daily), so go figure! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
L'E' BUNA ! (not really...)
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I can't believe this thread is still an issue LOL!
$30 is is expensive? Relative to what???????
One day at the golf course costs that much!
As far as I am concerend $30 is very cheap for a hobby that provides so much enjoyment for enthusiasts and one which is always growing and improving to make your experience more enjoyable.
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Hey, AHA... it's funny listening to you talk about dweebs <eg> Also, another question, since when did you start calling yourself Whistling Death? I've never seen ya with that handle...
As for AH, sounds good, I'll prolly give it a try, but I also want to wait on the other sim soon to be realeased, and AW: Vietnam and see what develops. THe pricing is halfway decent though.. good mix between Gamestorm and the absurd rates you have to pay for Warbirds
B1
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Hehehe 30$ a month for unlimited? Well forget all them 100$+ bills from WB you guys can bet that youll be seeing me alot.
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DHBG!!
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2 words "STUDENT LOAN" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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when you least expect it.
there I'll be.... A perfect target :)
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Veltro: I feel your pain, it's about the same over here in Germany. Internet access is still way too expensive especially for online players due to timed local calls. I just hope that the people "in charge" will realize one day that a fast connection to the web is not a luxury anymore.
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
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Veltro,
Due any of the ISP have cable modems?
I switched a year ago and no more high phone bills, + a 2mb up/down link to the ISP which is on a dual 45mb lines to the states.
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Shit Happens All The Time
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Funny how nobody has even mentioned the Microsoft product thats just on the horizon.
FIghter Ace II...heres a blurb from their website..
http://www.zone.com/fighterace/news/tbltnewsbetapeek.asp (http://www.zone.com/fighterace/news/tbltnewsbetapeek.asp)
Has many of the features of AH..and will be only 10 bucks a month unlimited..
maybe a place for the poor folks to go..
Desert fighters might have been worth looking into..if they didnt kill the project..
FIghterace was just a pure furball with terrible graphics..this looks like it might give AH some competition.
Usually bout 1000 logged into Fighterace on any given night..Im sure it will steal many AW and WB pilots.Like AH..we will just have to see (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Granger
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Most of the folks here don't consider anything by MS to be a true flight sim, more of an arcade game. Oz sure is getting better than the last time he saw it ages ago, but ozreckons it not quite up to the realism standards of most folks here.
And Desert Fighters was kilt.
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Kats I'd like to know where you play golf at if it is only costing you $30. I can't play for less than $300...I mean the plane alone is $100 an hour and all the duct tape to put the club on the wing is alot plus let's not forget all the lost golf balls. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dewey
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I dont like the flat 30$ rate. Its OK the months I play a lot, but its not worth it in the long term. U want me to cancel my account every time I go on holiday, or is away for other reasons? Nahhhh...I dont like it...better to pay for the time u actually are online.
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I think the $30 price is great. In fact, that is the amount I kept fighting for as a fair price for unlimited WB. I applaud HTC for recognizing the current Internet gaming market structure as well as the need for a flat rate. If this doesn't kill WB, I don't know what will.
I do believe AW will survive though, as its lesser realism arenas are often full and serve a market group not targeted by WB or AH (with any real force).
Kill iMOL, thank God Eidos CK is dead too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Razorback (edited 09-28-1999).]
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Do I think 30$ US a month is alot for an online non-persistant game?
Yes
Do I think 30$ US a month is alot in comparison to the other online flight simulators?
No
Is this price justified?
No clue
If you really want to know, ask someone who is really experienced with paying lots of money for online flight sims.
I'm not one for flight simulators but I might try it out anyway.
Conclusion:
Well, my message was pointless but... If you enjoy this game, (and you're not on welfare (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) that justifies the cost... right?
..and that is all..
Well, back to half-life & mankind!
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Whats all the flack about 30 usd's ? ..heck ..cost more to take a date to the picture show...costs more for a descent dinner.....360 bucks for a year of fun ? I'll take that ! especially since my kids like this game...take them skiing for one day costs nearly 400 dollars...30 dollars...noooo prob !..they sit there for hours playing this....heck..i think i'll buy another computer just for them for this !
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Now that I have played for a few minutes I will now endorse the $30 minimum. The screaming of the paratroopers convenced me that this is going to be a fun game.....
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I'm joining. Bugger the exchange rate. Screw the credit card limit. There are many other things we spend money on everyday that are a complete waste of time.
Food for one. Utilities, rent and clothing are also severly over-rated.
I'm also pretty sure that if i can get the right letter from the doctor i can get some of this back on my health insurance. Or at least a tax deduction.
It's just a question of priorities.
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I don't believe what I'm reading here!
For about 4 years I've read the gripes about paying $2 and hour too costly for a flight sim. Along comes another sim that will be asking a set fee for unlimited flight, this is what many people have been asking for(not me however) and now many feel that $30 U.S. is too much! Now some want to see $6 to $9 for unlimited play.
Geeze why not just demand free playing time?
You can always take your money somewhere else right?
I'm sure AH and crew don't need to feed and dress their families, make house or car payments, or have any of the other expenses that the rest of us have to contend with.
Get real if you don't like the proposed cost don't play it when it goes pay, in the mean time the beta is being offered as free, fly it, help make it a better product, it's not costing you a thing.
And don't give me grief over the exchange rate, I buy music CD's "at street price" from CD Japan and each one I buy of my favorite singer ends up costing me around $50 U.S. about double what I pay for a CD produced stateside.
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