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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: B17Skull12 on July 14, 2003, 12:52:39 AM
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Can we plz have a green B17 skin to me the silver skin just look wierd and it bothers me and also is HTC going to come out with a new TV commerical because i have never seen a formation of 4 bombers before in MA.
Skull12
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It might look weird to you but that's how that particular unit's B-17Gs looked like.
Ack-Ack
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It was mostly B17Fs and lower marks that had the olive drab paint job.
The reason being I think the polished metal caused less air resistance.
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They stopped bothering to put the paint on because there was little threat of the airfields being attacked (so they didn't need to be hidden on the ground) and 300+ B17s in the air were pretty damn hard to miss no matter what colour they were painted. Dropping the paint was just a convenience: it meant less work at the factory and less to maintain in service. Though they weren't polished there was a weight saving but I don't know if this improved performance to any noticable extent. Some fighter units polished their a/c when they had time: this often led to a few extra mph on the top speed.
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Can we polish our planes in the ToD?
Give us something to do while we wait for a mission.
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I know American Airlines did not paint their aircraft because that related to much less weight, and therefore, greater fuel economy.
Probably the same deal here.
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Planes as small as an F-16 Will weigh 600 Lbs more with just their primer. -- Which is why almost all Airforce planes are Grey.
Flying through "BugStorms" also takes off paint just like sandblasting. -- Imagine what a B17 goes through, the plane would just about need need a new coat on all leading edges after every flight.
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A polished bare metal B-17 will have a 30 knot speed advantage over a painted one. This can shorten many raids by hours!
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I'd also heard the non-painted look was to make spotting the buffs easier thereby drawing the LW out to play...
SKurj
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Skull12 did you read any of the latest posts in this forum before writing your request? I mean any of them in the top ten positions on this page? ;)
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Skull12 did you read any of the latest posts in this forum before writing your request? I mean any of them in the top ten positions on this page?
Do you even have to ask? Obviously he hasnt :)
At least ur askin for things in a forum and not on chan 1 skull, alota ppl were getting annoyed :D
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accutally i posted this last night i got so happy when i found this out this morning i did not realize i was flying a f4u4 :D
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heh heh heh.
Looks like I'm the dufus for not being able to read a date
:)
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600lbs to prime an F-16?
Unlikely.
The external tank on the space shuttle was painted white for the first two flights with a thick, heat resistant paint.
After the flights, they realized that there wasn't as much heating as expected, so they stopped painting them. The amount of weight saved?
600lbs.
Your figures about the F-16 are... excitingly wrong, 2Hawks.
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Maybe he added an extra 0 by mistake?
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If someone could not paint an entire F-16 with 2 gallons of paint, they have a serious problem to begin with..> in a controlled environment like a large booth, I bet I can do it with one. Total weight.... about 12 pounds....
600 pounds is BS.
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If someone could not paint an entire F-16 with 2 gallons of paint...
I bet you can't.
The modern grays have some "stealth" elements to them in that they are supposed to change color a bit depending on the light. I'm not sure what that does to the paint and its weight, but it's not your typical Dutch Boy semi-gloss you paint your door with. Plus, especially with the USN, the paint provides some corrosion control and they really slop that stuff on thick and in layers. It does add weight and as to how much, I have no clue. USN does their maintenance here at Coronado if anyone wants to call them up.
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If it adds 600 lbs, then the the F-16 must look completely different under the foot or so of paint.
There's slopping on the paint, and then there's candle-making.
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Ok, let's inject some numbers here. The C-5 galaxy has 2,600 lbs of paint & primer. It has 20x more wing area, and who knows how much more fuselage area. Why would it only have 4x as much paint as an F-16? C'mon, let's see some more data.
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However I was told by a person who worked on the planes in Arizona around '93. If this is true or an exaggeration I do know know. Was this the time of Lead paint? Do Supersonic craft require special grade paint?
The only real way to find out I guess would be to call up an airbase and ask. Tell them your name is ahmeed and your just curious...
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Don't forget to ask if they offer flying lessons, and if you can get a discount if they just teach you to take off.
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I painted YO MAMA'S BUTT and it Weighed an extra 2000 LBS!!!! :D
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lets see multiply 7.9 lbs per gallon x the est . 80 gals of paint = 632 lbs of paint you may have to subtract a little for evaperation
But thats about how much paint goes on a plane the size of a B-17. (note some paints weigh more or less)
as the plane gets older even more paint goes on it .(ive worked on the old HH-53's that must of had over 40 layers of paint on them.
And yes they have many different types of paint for aircraft.