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Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 02:35:16 AM
Got this from AGW originally :

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1356380&nav=168XGqk0

Lets play hide the paintball bullet!!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2003, 02:50:36 AM
Ahh yes the same islamic world that stones women to death if they have extramarital affairs, the same islamic world that allows forced vaginal inspections on young girls suspected of being sexually active and then allows the father to kill her, the same islamic world that gave us the Taliban who exected women in public in front of thousands and thousands at a soccer stadium. Now of course these may be reginal "cultural" practices rather than islamic tradition, but then agiain the screams of these tortured women are yet to be drowned out by torrents of protets from the mullahs in Mecca...

So basically I suggest you go **** yourself Maniac - you ignorant narrow minded hateful peice of trash.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 02:53:22 AM
Go cry somewhere else Grun.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Fishu on July 15, 2003, 02:57:26 AM
A proof Grunherz knows nothing about the Islamist world than the extremists.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2003, 03:17:14 AM
Yes of course Fishu, and the article he posted deals with normal every day normal American cultural activities and behaviors so it makes sense to draw the conclusion he did...

Maniac I'll let you do the crying once you realize what an idiotic thing you just posted - that is of course till you come back and say you were only trolling...

BTW tell me Fishu how often did the most influential mullahs in mecca condemn the Taliban for their barbaric behavior towards women?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 03:20:35 AM
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Nash on July 15, 2003, 03:22:24 AM
"Marv Glovinsky is a clinical psychologist. He says Hunting for Bambi is every man's fantasy come true."

Uhm... Let me think about that for a second. Know what? No, I don't think it's quite every man's fantasy.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2003, 03:26:07 AM
Ok fine Maniac, Osama Bin laden blew up the WTC and the Pentagon because the USA demeans and mistreats women which is an affront to his Isalmic values especially as practiced in the perfect Isalmic state of Afghanistan under Taliban rule...

That is what you are saying, right?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: rpm on July 15, 2003, 04:18:25 AM
Islam shmizlam...Budda's gonna be pi$$ed.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 05:04:33 AM
And this is why I think Islam = pure evil.

I think I'm gonna make this post part 1 of a miniseries of posts on moslems.

We begin with a normal stoning, lets hear it from an eyewitness.

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A deep hole is dug in the ground. A 30 year old lady, tied up from feet to shoulders, as a stick, is lowered alive into this hole, in a standing position. Only her neck and head are visible.

When the order is given, a man throws a fist-sized stone at her protruding head. The stone hits her head with a thud. She screems in pain as the blood oozes down her face. Another man picks up a stone and scraps the side of her head drawing a lateral line of blood. She cries and screems in excruciating pain. Since it is a free for all, a teenage spectator from this open playing field, tries his luck, but misses her head completely. Another aims at her and flings it with force. The stone hits its intended target, her forehead. She screems and cries loudly for mercy. There is now a gash on her forehead. Blood spurting out, down her eyes, nose, cheeks, mouth and down to the ground. She cries out for mercy but to not avail. The minutes become an hour, between the many misses, scraps, nicks, chips and strikes. Another spectator flings forcefully at her.

The stone hits the bridge of her nose with another thud. She screems again and again. This time the blood comes down from inside and outside her nose. Probably, her nasal bridge-bone is broken, causing the bleeding from inside her nostrils as well. Though her wounds are grave, as you can imagine, her screems by now are not as vociferous as earlier, and her tears help to wash some of the blood on her cheeks. Her vision has completely gone with the blood coating.The next stone hits her again. A piece of flesh pops out. No, its not, oh God, it really cann't be her eye-ball. It is so bloody that you cann't really make out.By this time, blood has covered her entire face and the ground in front of her.She still makes groaning sounds. More time pass. Stoning her, continues. Her sounds are less and less audible. Her face has become unrecognisable. Flesh, like mashed meat is her face, but only more bloody, as she now literally has no human face. Small strips of flesh, like locks of hair are hanging from her. Her head is now droopping forward. At this stage a hit on her make splashes of blood. She has stopped making a sound for the last two stone pelting. Two hours have passed. The Islamic authorities check her neck for pulse. It is still beating but barely, due to the loss of blood. A flesh piece drops off her head, as the stoning process continues.

Finally,death comes to this lady. She is then left there for a few more hours for the spectators to see, because this is a public lesson for all muslim females, who commit adultery.Then her father and relatives are allowed to dig her body, and bring it above ground. Pieces of her flesh, lying on the ground, is collected and because she has no face, it is put back on the front of her head, and bundled up.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Fishu on July 15, 2003, 05:08:31 AM
Grunherz,

Must admit I only read your reply, which was quite enough for me to see.. since web sites were quite slow to me and I were in process of trying to get malfunctional keyboard replaced.

But dont take this as if I'd take my words back... :>
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 05:13:38 AM
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I think I'm gonna make this post part 1 of a miniseries of posts on moslems.


Feel free to start your own thread... dont post your spam here...
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 05:16:11 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Feel free to start your own thread... dont post your spam here...


Actually I think it makes for a good comparrisson.

I mean you post something you feel is an example of how bad Americans or Westerners treat their women, so why should I not do the same thing about how moslems treat their women?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 05:17:25 AM
Do it in your own thread... its easy, hit the button "new post"
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 05:21:01 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Do it in your own thread... its easy, hit the button "new post"

No, I think it belongs here.

You came up with paintball shooting on naked girls (where everyone involved chose to do so out fo their own free will) as an example of why the west is hated by the Islams.

So let me come up with a couple of reasons why Islam is hated/feared in the west.

You have already seen part 1 "stoning", soon you will get to see part 2...
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Dowding on July 15, 2003, 05:37:46 AM
Funny, there haven't been any public (or private) stonings of muslim women around here...ever. Strange that. But I bet those Muslims are just itching for some Shariah love, eh Hortlund?

Your argument is essentially, "look at the horrible things some Muslims do - therefore, all Muslims are horrible". I thought you were above such bigoted 'logic'. Clearly not.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 05:42:15 AM
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You have already seen part 1 "stoning", soon you will get to see part 2...


Ya, ive seen it but i havnt read it...

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You came up with paintball shooting on naked girls (where everyone involved chose to do so out fo their own free will) as an example of why the west is hated by the Islams.


Hortlund and Grunhertz are on the same level, you two perhaps can start an club or something.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 05:45:03 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Ya, ive seen it but i havnt read it...
 

Why am I not surprised? Glad to see that the old "avoid pesky truths"-routine works for you. Well, since you have failed Reality 101, you may continue spewing your hate over the western world.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 05:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Funny, there haven't been any public (or private) stonings of muslim women around here...ever. Strange that. But I bet those Muslims are just itching for some Shariah love, eh Hortlund?

Your argument is essentially, "look at the horrible things some Muslims do - therefore, all Muslims are horrible". I thought you were above such bigoted 'logic'. Clearly not.


Dowding, if you want me to give you 20-30 links to organizations in the western world who are working towards the goal of having sharia all over the world, just let me know.

And my argument is not that, my argument centers around the core of Islam - the Koran. There will always be weirdows and idiots regardless of what religion you search in. But Islam is special since the weirdows are sanctioned in the Koran.

And before you bring up some old testament quotes, DO remember that
1) the old testament is not the same thing as the new testament, and one of the testaments are more important to Jews the other to Christians.
2)  Christianity has had its reformations, the Jews have their Tora. The Moslems have no such thing.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 05:53:48 AM
Where have i spewed my hate for the western world?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 05:54:57 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Where have i spewed my hate for the western world?

This thread is a good example.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 05:56:22 AM
Can you find an quote? i cant see it...
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Dowding on July 15, 2003, 06:04:01 AM
And there are organisations that want to make overturn all scientific knowledge about the curvature of the Earth and declare the planet a flat surface. What's your point? There are plenty of organisations out there with bizarre agendas, some based on crackpot secular ideas and some based on crackpot religious doctrines/interpretations. By simply pointing out the extremists as ambassadors for a faith is ludicrous. I don't hold Christians accountable for the killings of abortionists doctors or for the sectarian brutality witnessed in Bosnia or Northern Ireland.

It boils down to interpretation. You might claim the New Testament ameliorates the fire and brimstone of the Old, but that is irrelevant - the extremists use any interpretation they like and don't say "hold on, we can't use that Old Testament passage because Hortlund says it is superceded by the New Testament."

The same goes for Judaism.

Essentially, you reveal your own particular bias. I like to think that the moderates of all religions are pretty much alike - decent people for the most part and probably easy to get on with even though I might not share their beliefs. I don't associate them with the actions of their militant 'brothers'. Why should I? Why should you?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: CyranoAH on July 15, 2003, 06:16:09 AM
Well Dowding, now that you mention extremisms... I WAS expecting the spanish inquisition! :D

Daniel
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Fishu on July 15, 2003, 06:17:35 AM
*clap clap clap at Dowding*
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 07:13:13 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
And there are organisations that want to make overturn all scientific knowledge about the curvature of the Earth and declare the planet a flat surface. What's your point?
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No, what is your point with that reference? You wanted examples on Moslems who wanted Sharia law, I said I could provice such examples, and you turn around with some lame flat earth-organizations?
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There are plenty of organisations out there with bizarre agendas, some based on crackpot secular ideas and some based on crackpot religious doctrines/interpretations. By simply pointing out the extremists as ambassadors for a faith is ludicrous. I don't hold Christians accountable for the killings of abortionists doctors or for the sectarian brutality witnessed in Bosnia or Northern Ireland.
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The problem, and the point that you are trying to avoid, is that the fundamental moslems arent extremists in that sense of the word.

Example. Suppose there is a passage in the Bible that says "a woman cheating on her husband should be stoned to death". Over time, the church has realized that this part of the Bible probably should not be interpreted to the letter. No, instead this part of the Bible should be held up as an example of how the laws were "back then" but in our modern society, these passages are "obsolete". Fine, this is an example of how the Christian faith goes through reformation, or on how the Jewish faith is modified by the Tora.

Now, no such movement/school exists within Islam. In Islam the Koran to the letter is the law.

Now, in the western world there are some that argue that the Bible too should be interpreted to the letter. But these are considered as fundamentalists or extremists.

In the Moslem world, there might be some that dare to argue that the Koran should not be interpreted to the letter. These guys are the extremists, and they are liable to get a death warrent on their heads.

Do you understand the difference?
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It boils down to interpretation.
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No it doesnt. Reformation, and Tora are two examples on how the Christian and Jewish faith have evolved over the ages. No such thing exists in the Moslem world. That is a fact that is not open to interpretation. It just is.
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You might claim the New Testament ameliorates the fire and brimstone of the Old, but that is irrelevant - the extremists use any interpretation they like and don't say "hold on, we can't use that Old Testament passage because Hortlund says it is superceded by the New Testament."

The same goes for Judaism.
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And that is what makes extremists extremists... The fact that they are not recognized by the "official" Church, the fact that they are held up as extremists. You have to ask yourself why this is Dowding. Why doesnt the Catholic Church for example, demand that the old laws in the Old testament be upheld in the Catholic nations of the world? The answer lays in the evolution of the Christian faith over the ages.

The point here is that the moslem "extemists" arent extremists at all. Get it now Dowding? They are supported by their holy scripts, there is no "reformation of the Koran"-process going on in the moslem countries. You have nations that are more sharia, and nations that are less sharia. But you dont have any "lets see if we should change what exactly Sharia is"-discussion going on. Simply because to the Moslems, teh Koran is untouchable, and anyone suggesting anything like that would quickly get a death warrent on him.
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Essentially, you reveal your own particular bias.
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So do you.
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I like to think that the moderates of all religions are pretty much alike - decent people for the most part and probably easy to get on with even though I might not share their beliefs. I don't associate them with the actions of their militant 'brothers'. Why should I? Why should you?

You can think/hope whatever you want. That is one of the benefits of living in the western world. Try living in Iran and express opinions like these in public.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 07:17:17 AM
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You wanted examples on Moslems who wanted Sharia law, I said I could provice such examples


Where did he say he wanted examples?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Hortlund on July 15, 2003, 07:21:16 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Funny, there haven't been any public (or private) stonings of muslim women around here...ever. Strange that. But I bet those Muslims are just itching for some Shariah love, eh Hortlund?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: mjolnir on July 15, 2003, 07:52:08 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Your argument is essentially, "look at the horrible things some Muslims do - therefore, all Muslims are horrible". I thought you were above such bigoted 'logic'. Clearly not.


I hate stepping into this, I just know it won't scrape off my shoes nicely.  But here goes:

That could have been his point.  It would make sense if it was, because the original point of this thread (whether intended as a joke or not) was "look at the horrible things some Americans do - therefore, all Americans are horrible."  So an equal and opposite response was entirely called for.  It's not like all Americans pay tons of money to shoot paintballs at naked women, just like not all Muslims stone women to death in public.  Some do, and in both cases it's a pretty stupid process, though stoning is far worse than shooting paintballs because someone ends up dead.  

Relax a little Dowding.  Not everyone who points out a flaw is a bigot.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 15, 2003, 07:54:41 AM
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though stoning is far worse than shooting paintballs because someone ends up dead.


Well did you check the film? they werent even wearing paintball masks! no one knows how this will end, djust wait and see...














:)
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: SLO on July 15, 2003, 08:07:22 AM
oh my!!!

gonna hate myself for this.....but I agree with....huh!!...hortlund:D

at least here they can express there religious beliefs....

try going over there and express your own beliefs.....not gonna happen....

anyways.....I'm an athiest....I truly believe 'RELIGION' sucks:D
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Dowding on July 15, 2003, 08:39:12 AM
Mjolnir - I was assuming that, unlike Maniac, Hortlund was making a non-infantile argument. I'd safely assumed Maniac was trolling, but Hortlund was not -  evidenced by the fact that he's expressed these same views repeatedly in the past.

The argument I outlined (in quotes), which you quoted and which maniac began his thread with is that of a bigot. I'm sorry if that word, and it's correct application, offends you.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2003, 08:39:44 AM
the girls get $2500 if they don't get hit.  They get $1000 if they do.   They are not drugged or coerced... in fact.. there is a waiting list and they must meet standards for looks.
lazs
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Gunthr on July 15, 2003, 08:43:16 AM
Hortlund makes some good points about certain tenants of the Islamic faith that can make it quite intractable to change. But Dowding correctly points out that we shouldn't paint all muslims with the same brush.

Muslim extremists like bin Laden want there to be a "clash of civilizations" between Islam and the West.

Most muslims in the west do not want this at all, and consider the deliberate targetting of innocent civilian non-combatants to be a great sin. We should not unjustly lump these people in with the extremists.

The "moderate" muslims are considered to be sellouts by muslim extremists. I think it would be a terrible mistake not to give these muslims all the support we can. And there a lot of them. To unjustly lump them in with the terrorists just puts them between "a rock and a hard place", and makes it harder for them to be moderate when they are treated as terrorists by ignorant individuals. I would not want to foster the idea that all muslims are terrorists ... it just plays into the terrorists hands.

Just the sheer numbers of muslims world wide means that we have to differentiate between the extremists and the moderates.

Here is an example of moderate Islam:  

Muqtedar Khan (http://www.glocaleye.org/)
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 15, 2003, 09:12:59 AM
IMO:

The Islamic world thinks of the United States as 'the great satan' because of our difference in the amount of religious involvement in everyday life.

The 5 pillars of Islam demand a variety of things, but they are all interwoven into every day of a Muslim's life.  Politics, education, marraige, etc etc etc.

The United States went through great pains to seperate religion from everything political, educational, and the every day life of the average American is no where near as 'religious' as that of a Muslim.

They dont understand why or how we seperate religion from everyday life and percieve one of two things:  We are Godless or we worship money.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Sandman on July 15, 2003, 09:29:41 AM
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Well Dowding, now that you mention extremisms... I WAS expecting the spanish inquisition! :D

Daniel


NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! (http://www.drizzle.com/~lostboy/binaries/Spanish.wav)
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: GrimCO on July 15, 2003, 09:41:53 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Well did you check the film? they werent even wearing paintball masks! no one knows how this will end, djust wait and see...


Well I could be mistaken here, but I assumed that the object of stoning was to cause a person's demise. As ludicrous as shooting paintballs at naked women is, I doubt it's intent is to cause their death, whether they wear a mask or not. It's a pretty big stretch to try to compare the two.

I'm guessing the guy that came up with this "Bambi Hunting" feces probably hated his mother or in the extreme opposite has a case of the old oedipus complex. At any rate, I hardly think it's why the Islamic world thinks of the U.S. as the great Satan. In fact, there's probably a few Muslim men who would enjoy taking a shot at a woman with a paintball gun. The only difference is she'd be wearing a burka.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: mjolnir on July 15, 2003, 09:43:00 AM
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Originally posted by Dowding
Mjolnir - I was assuming that, unlike Maniac, Hortlund was making a non-infantile argument. I'd safely assumed Maniac was trolling, but Hortlund was not -  evidenced by the fact that he's expressed these same views repeatedly in the past.

The argument I outlined (in quotes), which you quoted and which maniac began his thread with is that of a bigot. I'm sorry if that word, and it's correct application, offends you.


Haven't really found anything yet that offended me (except possibly for Teddy Baby).  It's just that the term 'bigot' gets thrown around this forum so often I think most people have no idea what it really means anymore.  You can't honestly say that you hold no biases whatsoever, because everybody has some.  Some are just more apparent than others, and some people choose to be more vocal about them.

Now Hortlund's declaration that "Islam = pure evil" is indeed a highly biased opinion.  Perhaps you were right is using the term bigot.  Islam, by and large, is a peaceful religion, as anyone who has studied it knows.  Like I said, not all muslims stone women to death in public.  Different countries interpret the Quoran in different ways.  A classic example is the way females dress.  Some countries still go by the "nothing exposed" rule (Saudi Arabia), some countries have taken a more western approach and don't care if their women wear jeans and t-shirts (Jordan and Egypt come to mind).

Nonetheless, if you boil his replies down to the "some arabs do this so they're all bad" arguement like you did, then it becomes just as trivial as maniac's "some americans do this so they're all bad in the eyes of arabs" that started this thread, and we're back at square one.  Everywhere you go in the world, there are weirdos.  It's a fact of life.  The other 98% of the world sits back and watches them and thinks "Gee I'm glad more people aren't like that."
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Dowding on July 15, 2003, 10:07:28 AM
Teddy Baby? I'll not ask where and how that was used. ;)

I can't honestly say I have no bias - but I dislike organised religion, in its various forms, pretty uniformly. Just about all of them are concerned with the centralisation of power in a few individuals, via human weakness.

As for Hortlund, he started with the premise that Islam is pure evil and then gave an example of why. I don't think it is a huge leap of the imagination to surmise that the followers of the religion are painted with the same brush, as it were, in his eyes.

I agree that most, if not all, problems in this world are the result of a minority of weirdos.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Ripsnort on July 15, 2003, 10:17:09 AM
Wow, great chumming action Maniac .
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Rude on July 15, 2003, 10:21:08 AM
Well, this is interesting.

I tend to agree with the author of this thread....the US is viewed by most in the muslim world as corrupt. We really have not set a consistently positive example for them or others in the world. Our secular and materialistic motivations are an afront to muslim beliefs.

Now, having said that, this country is more than the examples we have tossed around....unfortunetly, positive and uplifting behavior wont make the headlines...doesn't mean it's not taking place on a daily basis.

While typing this, the thought occurred to me of the 911 hijackers and their jihad....they were hangin out in strip clubs and other stories place different terrorists groups engaging in similar behavior.

It's a crazy world we live in.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2003, 10:31:38 AM
I give it a 7 for content and an 8 for presentation.. well done!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: funkedup on July 15, 2003, 12:56:10 PM
Islam is peace.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: rc51 on July 15, 2003, 12:56:57 PM
Well Well!! LOL.
WHO Is the dumbest here?
1. the men shooting the paintball guns
2. the Bimbos running around getting shot in the prettythang
3. Or the dude running this little circus

Well My vote goes for #2.


As far as muslims stoning women.
LOL what do you expect from the silly bastards.
I mean they are about as Dumb as they come.
A rather insignificant people if there ever was one.
:p
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Fatty on July 15, 2003, 01:25:56 PM
If any of your wives or any females reading want to pay $5000 to shoot paintballs at a naked Fatty, I am available.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: funkedup on July 15, 2003, 02:03:04 PM
Chris Pontius gets his naked bellybutton shot with paintballs all the time, and I don't think they pay him anywhere near $2500.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: john9001 on July 15, 2003, 02:22:58 PM
alot of muslims are stuck in the 7th century. the world has passed them by.
if not for the oil , they would still be living in tents and eating with their right hands.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2003, 02:42:07 PM
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As far as muslims stoning women.
LOL what do you expect from the silly bastards.
I mean they are about as Dumb as they come.
A rather insignificant people if there ever was one.


Well, there are 5 million American Muslims.

There are 183 million in Indonesia
134 million in Pakistan
121 million in India
114 million in Bangladesh
66 million in Turkey
59 million in Egypt
53 million in Nigeria
29 million in Morroco

All either allies or non-militant States.

Insignificant?
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: rc51 on July 15, 2003, 03:25:59 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well, there are 5 million American Muslims.

 


And thats 5 million too Dam many!!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: rc51 on July 15, 2003, 03:27:27 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well, there are 5 million American Muslims.

There are 183 million in Indonesia
134 million in Pakistan
121 million in India
114 million in Bangladesh
66 million in Turkey
59 million in Egypt
53 million in Nigeria
29 million in Morroco

All either allies or non-militant States.

Insignificant?


And if you add all those millions up you might have the combined IQ of a House fly.:p
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Post by: gofaster on July 15, 2003, 03:27:58 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
the girls get $2500 if they don't get hit.  They get $1000 if they do.   They are not drugged or coerced... in fact.. there is a waiting list and they must meet standards for looks.
lazs


I agree with the point Lazs is trying to make.  For me, its the same concept as "Dog Eat Dog" (which I enjoy watching) or "Big Brother" (which I don't) or "Survivor" (which I no longer do) or any of the other game-show/sports contests.  "Here's $1,000 to let us hunt you in a field and shoot you with a paintgun.  Here's $2,500 if you can dodge the bullet.  Are you up for the challenge?"  

I recall watching a documentary about how British fox hunters hunt human cross country runners rather than real foxes.  Seemed exceptionally kind to the animals.

The only lurid part of this Bambi deal is the fact that the hunted are naked.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: icemaw on July 15, 2003, 03:36:02 PM
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Originally posted by Fatty
If any of your wives or any females reading want to pay $5000 to shoot paintballs at a naked Fatty, I am available.


 $5000 to get shot by a paintball ya I am avalible too.

 All the money in the world to get stoned to death count me out!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2003, 04:26:54 PM
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Originally posted by rc51
And if you add all those millions up you might have the combined IQ of a House fly.:p


Muahahahahhahahahahaha...

That's classic dude! You are the king! WTFG!!! Housefly!!! HEhEEEEEEE!!! Whole religion shot down in one sentence!! Amazing ! I feel so sorry for them muslims! You sure got them good! wooHooooooo!!!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: rc51 on July 15, 2003, 04:51:55 PM
Ok Ok you got me!!
maybe two house fly's but only if they are after the same turd.

I guess i don't think of islam as a religion.
Not as long as most of it's followers use themselves as human bombs to get there point across.
Look dude I know you're from Kaliforinia and you really can't help you're self.
But these clowns are calling for the deaths of Americans!
So As I see it they Are nothing to me but the enemy!
They are no better than the Klan!
Thats right you heard me the Klan.
because they want the death to all those who are not like them.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2003, 04:56:17 PM
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Originally posted by rc51
Ok Ok you got me!!
maybe two house fly's but only if there after the same turd.


They're

:rolleyes:
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 16, 2003, 02:06:47 AM
*cough*




































:D
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Nash on July 16, 2003, 03:18:01 AM
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Originally posted by gofaster
The only lurid part of this Bambi deal is the fact that the hunted are naked.


That's the thing, though. Sure... Hunting humans. I can see it on a few levels. Prey that can outsmart you... the taboo angle because we really aint supposed to be shooting at other people... that kind of thing.

But when the people are nekkid chicks, it's a whole nuther ball of wax. It's now got some sexual angle involved... and it makes about as much sense to me as going to a strip club and seeing strippers stand around in camo. Totally arbitrary.

Maybe it's just me. Is the idea that not only do ya get to hunt stuff, but you get to look at nekkid chicks at the same time? Sort of like killing two birds with one stone, as far as spending a Sunday afternoon in style goes?

Or is it the challenge of sightin' something in while sportin' wood?

I'm at a total loss. How do these two things go together? Anyone able to walk me through it?

:confused:
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: SOB on July 16, 2003, 03:21:03 AM
I'll help.

Point #1: Boobies.
Point #2: EVERYTHING is better with boobies.

Conclusion: Shooting at stuff with painballs is better with boobies.

End of lesson.  ;)


SOB
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 16, 2003, 03:22:23 AM
Ya, im dumbfounded too, maybe they get an video tape of the whole thing to watch at home with the Wife?

Well someone should get in touch with an "women rights" group, those girls should atleast have an paintball mask and an gun to shoot back!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: SOB on July 16, 2003, 03:25:44 AM
LOL Maniac, that's a pretty sweet quote in your sig line.  Maybe I'm just tired, but it made me laugh.  :D
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 16, 2003, 03:26:55 AM
Ya,

Priceless :D
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Rutilant on July 16, 2003, 03:43:41 AM
Dayum Maniac, they bitin like mad today.. WTG! :D

It isnt obvious this post was a troll? Jeebus you guys are uptight.

Besides, the women volounteer to do this - they get PAID to do this, and they're LINING UP to do this, what this has to do with stoning to death is beyond me, OR how it's a valid comparison.




In before lock.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: mjolnir on July 16, 2003, 04:40:52 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Ya, im dumbfounded too, maybe they get an video tape of the whole thing to watch at home with the Wife?

Well someone should get in touch with an "women rights" group, those girls should atleast have an paintball mask and an gun to shoot back!


Watch the film clips, they do have someone follow them around with a video camera and give them the tape at the end of the day.  And I think the guy who runs it explained it like this:  "Well, when you're out hunting deer, the deer aren't wearing football helmets or shoulder pads.  So our girls don't either."

Lose the clothes = more animal like = less taboo to shoot....or something like that.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Fatty on July 16, 2003, 07:16:19 AM
I think it's because when girls don't have clothes on, they're what we refer to around here as "naked".
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Saintaw on July 16, 2003, 07:22:55 AM
LOL. Didn't read all this drivvel, but  Grunherz calling someone else "Narrow minded" did catch my eye.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Torque on July 16, 2003, 05:07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Fatty
I think it's because when girls don't have clothes on, they're what we refer to around here as "naked".


Like you've seen one without a sawbuck.
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Nash on July 22, 2003, 05:31:04 AM
Update:

It's a hoax.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33678
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp

I guess we shouldn't feel too bad for falling for this. I mean, FOXnews ran a feature on it with footage and all. :rolleyes:

If there's one thing we can take away from this... It's that, considering the interest, there's probably a crapload of money to be made. Anyone interested in pooling their money together for a start-up? :)
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Maniac on July 22, 2003, 06:12:07 AM
LoL!!!!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: gofaster on July 22, 2003, 09:26:13 AM
Sometimes you go looking for one thing and find another...

In reading the revelation on snopes.com, I clicked on "Joey Skaggs" and got a much better story about offers by a Korean company to purchase dogs from animal shelters.

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The idea for the sting came from Joey Skaggs, a man who has been the bane of the media for thirty years.

Skaggs sees himself as a performance artist on a mission. Where others use canvas and paint, he uses telephones and fax machines. His medium of choice is the imaginative prank. His messages often get lost in the fallout over his pranks , but they are always there. And you usually don't have to look very far for them.
...
Skaggs believed the American public, with its own prejudices regarding which animals it's okay to consume, would go bonkers when confronted with the dog-meat proposal -- and he was right. Animal rights groups and public officials took the story completely out of his hands -- in the process, he believes, exposing their own racism and cultural bigotry. One of the messages of the prank, Skaggs maintains, was "We are culturally intolerant. It was about prejudice, as illustrated in the letters, faxes and calls I received."
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: midnight Target on July 22, 2003, 12:09:54 PM
Now THATS Art!
Title: Why the Islam world thinks U.S is Satan
Post by: Zapata on July 22, 2003, 04:06:27 PM
Funny stuff, thanks for the laugh:)

When I read about the dog island someone set up off the FL coast as a private, human-free refuge for dogs "liberated" from their slave-like lives as household pets, the thing that bothered me the most was that someone was willing to pony up the dough for these wackos - what a waste of funds that could have gone to human charity.  But that wasn't all - they were happily promoting the fact that FL taxpayer's money was soon on the way!
Reading this site again I laugh cause
a:  I was fooled by such a stupid premise, but was willing to chalk it up to "stupid hippie crap".  
b: it is pretty well done, not over the top at all, but every once in awhile there's something that makes you go "what? who the hell are these people?" that should have tipped me off.

example (from the FAQ):
Q:  My dog is very high strung and often gets into fights with other dogs. I can control this now, but what happens when fights break out on the island?
A:  Fights break out occassionally, but this is not a real issue, because eventually, the dogs learn to get along. Every now and then some dogs gang up and kill and then eat another dog, but this is just natural, and it's okay for it to happen now and then, but normally this is not the case.

the dog island (http://www.thedogisland.com/)