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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sascha JG 77 on September 16, 1999, 11:21:00 AM
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The second big decision upon joining the AH community - other then entering your callsign - will be the choice of countries I suppose.
Now I remember we' ll have
The Knights
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The Bishops to choose from. But I can't remember the third choice...argh.
Anyhow: I'm 99% sure that I'll be a Knight
(I remember that I didn t like the third option). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sooo..whose side will you be on gals and guys?
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
[This message has been edited by Sascha JG 77 (edited 09-16-1999).]
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I'll have to say the Hellfire Sqd. will fly knights.
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
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HiTech Creations
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Knights, Rooks, and Bishops.
Being an Athiest/Agnogstic? (Don't go for organized religion, especially ones that say it is okay to kill for god (not going to argue religion)) I can't be a bishop.
I know the vast quantities of you will flock to "Knights" of the Air, to go with your chilvarous image of yourselves.
But being a stubborn, hard headed individual I will have to go with being a Rook.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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Awww, c'mon Downtown. I think with you being agnostic/athiest joining the Bishop country is a nice bit of irony (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'll probably go rook, since others will flock to knight.
Ronin
"Baldric, do you know what irony is?"
"I sure do. It's like coppery or bronzy, only harder."
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JG 301 for sure!!! They had to bear a lot of the "Reichsverteidigung" from '43 to '45! But is has been the first squad to be equipped with the Ta 152-H-0 and the Ta 152 Ha-1.
I bet you will be scared by this plane!!!
Regards & Watch your 6
Werewolf
-were- JG 301 "Heimatverteidigung"
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Don't forget the Queens which will have Spitfires & Ki-84s only.
<G,D,R>
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well yall correct me if im wrong but didnt chess come to europe during the invasion of the christian/jewish/muslim holy land? really not a christian game at all just another thing swiped from the arabs.and the muslims dont have a preist class. or anything like a bishop.
i think bishop is just a name given to it buy my klllin for fun in the name o the lord ansestors .although i can see your point.(anyone know if the arabic version of the game is still around? would love to hear about it)
when i first saw the idea about countrys being named like chess pieces i didnt like it ,(being used to the generic color thing.)
and i still think a 3 way war is a little silly. (unless one side is finland hehe)
but i like the idea more on reflection. we seem to have names and designations that companys have gone out of the way to make meaningless, (i guess the whole nova thing in mexico scared um all).
in war and peace groups of men always have uniting symbols,doesent matter what it is. it is a univesal thing not being a brain doc i dont know why and a color usualy dosent qualify. i think it is a savy thing they have done.it works on several levels
1.you have in chess the 3 pieces all about equal in strength but totaly different in tactical use.
2.knights, you can guess that alot of the new young guys are gonna go knights cause frankly most young people have have no idea what a rook is and probably think bishop is a character from alien the movie. (no offence to the hellfire sqd, im shure they have other reasons than its the only word they know of the 3 hehe)
3.bishops could open up flight sims to a whole new demographic, the bible belt in the south is full of radical warlike christains who could use a hate vent. if might lighten them up a little.
4.rooks, seems like the ugly duckling as far as the sound of the word (and it rimes with crooks hehe) so, well, i like it, go figure.
towd 44th
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If you boys get the TA 152
the Queens should get the Tempest II (basically a Sea Fury..the MIG Killer!) the Supermarine Spiteful and Spit Mk 24, a Bearcat and the late WWII/Korea model P51s and P47s.
wet your pants LW! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Grifon
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Well I guess chess pieces have different names in every country. In the original, arab game the rook was a war-chariot<sp?> BTW.
In German the bishop is called Läufer or runner.
The rook is called Turm (tower) and the knight is Springer (jumper) although some people call it "Pferd" (horse).
This is frankly my reason for choosing the knights: I ve been riding horses for 23 years now and I love them.
When I first saw the choice of countries I thought: "This is silly..everyone's gonna go Knights". On second thought I guess this won't be true. I mean in WB there ARE a lot of guys flying for purple and being the same colour as Barney is certainly worse than being a rook or a bishop. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
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Look on the bright side i didn't choose Kings Queens and pawns.
HiTech
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Very easy to decide....
I will fly for the country that has the least ammount of plays. This way i shouldnt have any problems finding a fight.
If you have 30 guys flyin for 1 counrty and 6 guys flying for another,How much skill is involved for the 30 guys to kill the 6 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
If the 6 guys learn the skill needed to kill the 30,who is better off at the end of the tour. Learning curve will be a lot less steeper (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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--wd-- < JG26 >
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Actually, you should have used Kings. Woulda worked out great. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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TKoKFKA-OZDS-
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you have no idea how long i spent goin over the paragraph on the king queen pawn theory hehe til i figured hehe "nothin wrong with that" as far as the queen and it throws the cool analogy of equal power but different aplication to each side off ( 2 royals 1 barney err grunt)
hehe
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Oh man, I can see it now. Almost everyone will want to be knights. There will be some rooks (Forecast: 6 weeks of "I got rooked again!" in radio buffer), and there will be one bishop, but that notwithstanding, most people in the arena will spend as much time as possible beating him.
"Damn gangbangers!"
"Come on rooks! Stop beating the bishop! We're being overrun by horses!"
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Dinger, no references to masterbation. "Come on rooks! Stop beating the bishop! We're being overrun by horses!"
Stop beating the bishop!
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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Well coulda been worse:
Christians,jews and moslems
Americans,Europeans and asians
Heterosexuals,homosexuals,and bisexuals
Californians,Texans and New Yorkers (or or the swedes stockholmare,göteborgare och skåningar)
Could think of some really politically incorrect threesomes but i leave it for you to post .
(g,d,r) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Towd:
Chess was known in scandinavia around 900 ac (thereabout (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) most likley imported from Konstantinople, who again got it from The Osmanian Empire.
danish
disclamer: memory
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id say knights, not because im young, but because i (1.) ride horses (2.) a fan of midevil history (3. ) named after a knight of the round-table (sir Trystan (the welsh spelling)) (4. ) use the knight to the most advantage in chess.
besides, their cool. =P
-drako
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Um, Penguin, that's mid-evil history. Get it right. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Look on the bright side i didn't choose Kings Queens and pawns.
It's good to be King. Wait for the shake.
Rolo
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I'll take the side with the color which blends in best with the sky! I usually flew gold or purp in Warbirds. Boy do I miss the range 1 kills from 6 low with the FW190A4.
Herc
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2.knights, you can guess that alot of the new young guys are gonna go knights cause frankly most young people have have no idea what a rook is and probably think bishop is a character from alien the movie. (no offence to the hellfire sqd, im shure they have other reasons than its the only word they know of the 3 hehe)
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No, that's probably it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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thanks for the history danish how the hell did it hop from scandinavia constantinople . now im not sayin it didnt, its just amasing it was there so early in hestory that is wheren beowulf was writen down wasent it? were the rules the same? the pieces? ( for instance the knight was a war chariot in the arab version?)
man i can ask um huh?
ignore me hehe
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Towd:
Gotta misuse more of my limited memory as my books are not at hand.
700-1000 ac in scandinavia is best known for the videspread naval activity witch took place.There were several main routes by witch these people (Vikings ;=) traveled:
1) North England/Fæøerne/Island/Greenland.It was by this route that North America was found as well.
2)Midt- and South England, Normandie, to some extend via this route also Spain, Southern France, Sicily.This route may have brought direct contact with the Osmanian Empire in Spain or deeper in North African area.
3)Route going via big rivers through Russia, via Novgorod (?) south directly to Konstantinople.For a long period the emperor of Konstantinople had a personal guard only consisting of scandinavians.It was via this route that the main contact with the Osmanians took place.
Scandinavia was at that time split in several (many) small kingdoms, but there are some general agreement that what we today know as Norway was dominating on route 1, Denmark on route 2, and Sweden on route 3.
Plz also remember that these people were selling\buying as well as robbing\murdering - and so some extent also settlers.Was a cas of opertunity ,=)
There has been found chess pieces (and boards ?) several places in scandinavia, and (but now my memery gets close to melt down..) also Greenland.
Little is known as to the actual rules of the game from that time.I beleve the modern chess rules were founded in 17.th centery Europa, with Spain and France as the dominant nations.Around 1840 the pieces and rules were as we know them today - execpt for some minor adjustments.
danish
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I remember something about Chess being developed by Charlemange 700 A.D.
The Game of Kings.
Now they like to romanticize Charlemange, so I could have been someone in his kingdom.
I also rember hearing that the Huns borrowed it from the Chinese, and (Was it Gengis who was a prisoner in Rome) Kahn was a prissoner in Rome (The Ceaser? At the time sent his son to live with the Huns, and Gengis Lived with the Romans, If either group broke the treaty and attacked the other, well the princes would be traded, just a piece at a time) Anyhow so he showed the game to the Romans and it spread around Europe from there. At some point the Gauls, changed the pieces to the shapes that we are familiar with now.
Now this could be wrong, cause us American's like to win in our history, and if we borrow European History it was because Someone had Won somewhere back there in the past.
Anyhow I don't know how or when the Russians got so damn good at the game.
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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG
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Charlemange?Huh?
Darn where is =flet= when we need him - hes gotta know.
Anyway, good tales ;=)
I think Ill go bishop, remember: the Church beat them all hehe.
danish
[This message has been edited by danish (edited 09-18-1999).]
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Let's see:
The Arabs in Spain would have been under the Ummayad dynasty. From mid-8th century on the 'Abbasid dynasty was in Baghdad. I know that in the 11th century Fatimids were in Cairo. At some point (12th C?) Seljuk Turks come on the scene. I seem to recall crusader narratives (From 1096 ff) that refer to the employ of Scandinavians by the Byzantines. We also have coin hordes unearthed up north, I believe dating from the time of the Viking expansion (early 9th century on), which do include byzantine coins.
The Ottomans don't come on the scene for some time, I dunno, maybe the 15th century?
If you do a web search on the history of chess, you get any number of claims.
The most believable (somebody plagiarizing The Encyclopedia of Chess) has it deriving from an Indian came (ca. 6th. cent.), passing through the Byzantine empire, and then the Arabs (after the invasions), and entering the Christian West via Spain in the 10th century. The claim is that "rook" derives from maghrib "Rokhkh" meaning "chariot", Check straight from Arabic "Shah" for "King" and Check mate from "Shah mat" for "King Helpless". Modern RUles haven't been around as long.
So it's quite possible that them Scandinavians had them before.
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Dinger you are cheeting!No help allowed ;=)
About the Osmanian Empire I sure stand corrected : those guys were turks not arabs.
danish
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Dinger (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) thanks for the compliment but I am in noway that old or did I invent the game of chess (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
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Hmmmmm......
1. P-K4
Any Takers?
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Aw, yer all wrong.
Seeing as how this game is named "Aces High", why not keep up the card game type of motif:
1. Kings.
2. Jokers.
3. Aces.
Hans, who is not going to fly "bishop"....period.
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NAhh.,. Everyone will want to be an Ace. Go for "Kings, Jokers and Deuces".
I'm tellin' you, bishops is where it'll be at. Sorta a Johnny Cash "Boy Named Sue" kinda thing.
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Shatarnge,(SP?) Chataranke, (SP?) and Byzantine are three forms of early chess. Currently Byzantine is played on a circular board, Both the others are played on a standard 64 square board. (which shows they've been adapted to current standards)
Both the others are played with minor differances in how a couple of the pieces move. I do not recall exactly which goes where, (haven't played em in 30+ years)
but in one, the king can move up to 2 squares on the angle, (involving a jump capture)
The other the bishops only move 2 squares at a time. Also in one of the two, the queen may only move 1 square at a time, except to capture, (the only time she gets full run of a column, row, or angle.
The Ottoman Empire is credited with being the birthplace of modern day chess, brought back by the crusaders, in their many Holy Wars, with credit also going to both Egypt, and the Danes for having quite similar games found in various burial sites. So Chess is the original war game....
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GreyBeard
Flt Ldr
Skeleton Crew
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QKtp - Kt3
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GreyBeard
Flt Ldr
Skeleton Crew
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Rook sounds good. A powerful piece.
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Polk./16GIAP