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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: nopoop on July 15, 2003, 10:33:00 PM
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Some observations. I dropped over when the sun went down.
Everyone "loves" the Axis Allied thing.
One thing that seems to never change is the numbers inbalance in the setup everyone loves.
It crosses over from game to game.
It always hovers around 2 to 1 allied. Granted I was in when the sun went down as no doubt quite a few were. Taking that into account it might not be an accurate accessment.
Second observation is while being a different arena few can resist a face shot. Flying an A8 under those circumstances is alot of fun.
But I'm rusty, flew 190's for years somewhere else, haven't flown but a few over here.
Snapped an A5 into a spin and even though I had tons of altitude I dug a hole.
Third, very little range voice used in ANY situation.
I'm fluent in German.
Or I play the flute..
It's one of the two..
Or maybe I felt like breaking out stiff leather.
I forget..
But I remember.
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Or I play the flute.. eeeeewww:D
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....I know this is wrong but........
Please say it isn't the skin flute.........
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Most people just prefer Allied rides , thats probably never going to change. Last night was one of the worse for numbers I've seen. I think one reason is there are so many fighters on the Allied side to choose from. The only plane they are missing fighterwise is the P-38 I believe.
It's hard to lure them over to fly Axis when they can fly...... P-47, P51 , Spit9, Spit14, Typhoon, F4U, FM2, F6F, Hurricane........ With that many choices not many people are going to be open to " Hey come fly a Fw-190 or Bf109".:)
It wasn't like we didnt have a chance , my problem last night was mainley I never got above the fight over 18. Thats where the majority of the fighting was, and I kept getting caught under the fight ,low on energy, and sluggish in a 190A8. Flying like that I'm gonna get killed even if the Axis have a 2 to 1 advantage. It's a good setup , the numbers have been fairley close all week.
Last night was squadnight for a bunch of squads, their favotite rides were there and they took advantage of it. I'll live with a number advantage at times, and I don't expect guys to change sides. I know I don't want to go fly Allied planes just because the Axis have a number advantage. As long as Allied rides are the favorite of most people this is never gonna change , also not many people want to be in Axis squads. Joining a side that lost historically, is another item, thats not a big sale .
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nothing like flying the 109f off a CV :)
if fleets were a little smaller, this setup would be perfect
yes, please fly the allied crates - they make nice torches :)
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was the squad night thing. most of the time that the numbers where unbalanced a majority of the allied pilots where waiting for the mission to up. so they werent in the air taking advantage of the numbers. seemed like the guys fightin between 18 and 19 were pretty even. usually when squads do the big squad night mission they broadcast on channel 1 so that there is some opposition. of course with the super radar in this setup you can see people comin about 50 miles out. but the allied rides are great. why dont the germans have the dora in this setup? too early i guess, but with the variaty of good guy rides, i dont think it would hurt. man i love that ride.
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Well.... on the aspect of side unbalancing... I thought this game was based on actual war of WW2. I don't think the allies or the axis did a check on rosters before they upped just to make sure that sides were balanced? I, myself, have been on both sides of the coin... I have been in CT when I was way out numbered by axis planes.... I still up... but I am going to take at least one down with me, if I go down. If I am getting ganged that bad... I log....and return to the CT later to see what numbers are... simple as that... It's not worth getting worked up over little things any more.... we are here to have fun...
As for Tuesdays... We do have our squad night then, if we have our squad rides.... you can bet we are going to be in them... The one we get to fly regularly is the P-40, so we are pretty much going to jump at the chance to fly the 51 or the 47 if they are in the arena. You can bet we are going to be doing some kind of mission, with or without, other squads... But we do like to have other allied squads fly with us... ergo the 880 and 106th if they are there... That is what we think is a good time in CT... Axis is more than welcome to come up with us... the only thing is we are not going to boradcast it.... Adds to the realisum of war....
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Originally posted by snocone
most of the time that the numbers where unbalanced a majority of the allied pilots where waiting for the mission to up. so they werent in the air taking advantage of the numbers.
Exacty!
While the numbers are often indeed imbalanced, what many mysteriously fail to realize is that the roster does not always tell the whole story. The roster does not tell you who is airborne who is in a GV, who is maning a gun or PT boat or who and how many are waiting in the tower for a mission, (often a bomber mission) to begin. This is especially true on squad nights.
Apparently though some enlightened individuals on ch 1 are equipped with a magical crystal ball and can deduce all by simply looking at the roster.:rolleyes:
Maybe I should just unsquelch ch1 and ask to borrow the crystal ball.:D
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Its not that flight sims in general cater to us players, its just that wbs and ah do.
In il2/fb theres plenty of axis players, many ex wb and ah guys.
In wwiiol there plenty of axis players, many from wb and ah.
Ah and wbs both are marketed for the allied (US player). It could be by design (larger market) or just a result of the amount of information available to these us designers in regards to allied planes.
Its not really allied, it mostly US and Spitfires. Even though the la7 gets a lot of use in the ah main most folks never even heard of it till it came to ah.
So the vvs in both games gets ignored as well.
Then theres the arena "gameplay" where planes like 190s and 109s (except for the fast late models) arent in their element.
All of these contribute to a lo number of "dedicated" axis players. Even in scenarios we do a lot of recruiting on the axis side from folks who normally fly allied planes.
Now in the ct where the "community" is only a tiny portion of the overall AH community you will find even less.
But I dont think the numbers in percentages are any less in the main then the ct. Just in the main where all sides fly all planes the lack of axis planes aint a problem because theres plenty of allied stuff to kill as well.
An axis/allied split like in wbs would kill ah. The axis would get gang banged and their numbers would drop and in turn some allies would get bored with the no action. The rest were become even more perfect milkrunners. Kinda like what you find in the ct.
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it's the 'classic' seal clubbing thing.
you should hear the howl that goes up if there's a PTO scenario that doesn't include the F4U, even if it's the 'canal.
many players wanna fly the superior planes. it's only natural.
even tho i always fly axis in CT, i don't mind a little imbalance.
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If you go into the CT 10 times, the allies will outnumber the axis on 8 of those occasions.
Only time it really sux is when one side hangs over their base or fleet and you have to fly through ack to fight. I think that goes on with allies more than axis, but I may be biased.
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You guys kill me..lol, I have to agree with SkyFoxx on this one. I regularly pay close attention to the bar dar as well as the roster. Even when the roster says that sides are even, watch the bar dar, it very seldom is even.
Stop complaining about the roster numbers and keep your eye on the bar dars. If it is not what you want, take the fight where you want it.....I do!!
If you depart a field and the red bar dar in the next sector, or your own sector is big, dont be stupid. They are comming after you or they are orbiting waiting for you. If you enter a unballanced fight, its your own fault. Very seldom do I see roster numbers off ballanced, however, when roster numbers are even, I see more unballanced fights. Dont just look at numbers, observe your suroundings...sorry for the typos!!
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If you enter the CT and see a lop-sided fight and then join the team with largest numbers you are a coward.
If you are in the CT on the team with lowest numbers, then change to larger team you are a useless coward.
If you are in the CT on the team with the largest numbers, but are only attacking undefended bases, you are just useless.
You may not agree, but you are wrong.
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you guys need to share whatever you are smoking. I know that on some maps the dar bar is limited so it is hard to tell who is up and who is not. Last night I was flying allied at 18 and it was a route. The best odds I saw was the 3 on 1 (thats 3 lwobbles chasing my spit). The axis bar dar was all the way across and allied only had a little nubbin. We had some more in the next sector, but no where near the number of lwobbles floating around.
I looked at the roster and it was 20 to 42. I sent out a message on country and said "where the hell are you guys?"
They were way up north doing their squad thing.
You could see a mass of maybe 25 guys up there heading to the coast of norway.
Now at the same time I saw some d!!!cheese axis pilot mouthing off about how horribly unbalanced the sides were and that this always happens.
Jesus Christ grow up and open your eyes.
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You guys are making more of this than the axis is. We expect to be out numbered on squad nights and 2 to 1 odds are not uncommon. We still kick ass. As for the fight over 18, the numbers were dam even Erg. Most of the fight happened between our two bases not over 18 so your dar expaination is mute. We all had good fights. We all had fun, right?
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Yeah it was fun, no the numbers were not even at 18, between or elsewhere.
Were we complaining? no.
If the numbers are bad i get alt. I dont mouth off on channel 1.
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I only saw one guy mouthing off , and he's not even on this thread.
Macchi asked us if he needed to switch, we told him no fly what he wants. Thats pretty much the way most of us feel about it. Yeah it's hard not to grumble especially for some guys. I didnt see that much complaining, the majority of it was from one guy. I'm not sure if he was really pissed I think he was just playing head games. So don't paint everyone with the same brush.
Actually it's become more of a thing guys joke about, then squeak about anyway.
Fly what you want when you want. Thats why the planes are put in.
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The numbers thing dont bother me a bit,there have been times where me and a couple of others pitted aginst 15-18 allied players.Like others said fly what you like no matter what that's what I do,I wish the CM's would put the a6m2 in every PTO setup I know I would fly it no matter what the PS is,I fly it in the MA and DA all the time aginst much better planes (maybe not pilots)than those F4U's and F6F's.
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I am the opposite, I ignore what I would like to fly and always try to balance the numbers.
Which of course means that so far i have not flown an allied aircraft this map.
Unfortunately the times i get into CT numbers vary between 8 and 20, half of these you can put into GV's or doing a group attack on some undefended base.
Boredom sets in very rapidly when your watching the map to see where if at all an attack is coming.
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Originally posted by KG45
it's the 'classic' seal clubbing thing.
Is this the classic "Us poor widdle axis players are always outnumbered by allied dweebs but we kick butt ... but still feel the need to start a whine thread" thread? :D
Seems like a classic. Even the short time I've been playing. ;)
Had fun last night. Landed one or two in a Spittie. Got some but landed none in the FM2. Must have been one of those oh so rare times of parity. :D
The hog carrier respawns six sectors away. But I bet most of my adversaries (well, those who know my preference for the hog in spite of my inept F4U use) would have wished it had been my ride.
I upped a g2 beast and managed to get a kill in it, even. The odds were two to one in our favor (in that particular engagement - even though the roster only showed the axis up by one player ... out of 11) but the enemy plane had alt and e. Unfortunately he cut to get the other guy and did it right in front of me ... in range. It don't take much with those gondolas slung and the snapshot hit.
Leviathan .... awesome flying, as usual.
Keyapaha .... yes, the 190 isn't suited to turnfight the FM2. But you made a pretty good showing of it anyhow.
Yes ... the classic axis vs allies thing. It's a ct thing. :D
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I've switched back and forth as the #'s dictate and have had plenty of opportunity to fly both sides...although probably 65% axis. I'm more of an angles fighter than anything else so obviously the 190/109 planeset is frustrating at times.
The key element is that the plane set competative (sp?). I had one hop tuesday night where I fought F4F's, F4U-1's, Spit IX's and finished up with a great 1 vs 1 with a hurricane. My G-2 was able to provide a decent fight to all and survive. I was down to the 7.7mm mg's at the end for the hurricane and we went round for a good 5 min before an A20 forced me to break off and scoot home.
Obviously #'s will vary and I've been on both sides of the mini gangbangs but all in all its a very well balanced set. As a rule I'm losing either do to pilot ability...an all to common occurance:)...or by knowingly putting myself in harms way with regard to odds and positioning.
Last couple of setups I felt like either I was in the best plane or I was in plane with no real ability to compete. Again I may be in the minority but I still evalute the set based on 1 vs 1 matchups...this setup I'll fly any plane on either side (fighters) and feel like I can hold may own in a 1 vs 1.
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Sure sounds like a complaint:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Yes ... the classic axis vs allies thing. It's a ct thing. :D
It's also generally the truth. I'm with Bear76, though, you get used to it, and as a by-product, you get fairly good at flying Axis rides.
- oldman (who wishes he could fly a captured P-47)
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Originally posted by Bear76
Sure sounds like a complaint:D
Sure it does. I'm just being descriptive when I say "poor widdle axis always fighting an uphill battle ... both ways ... barefoot in the snow ... but we don't mind ... really we don't ... just felt compelled to mention it ... time and again" whine. :D
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If you enter the CT and see that the roster split is 12 vs 15 in the other side's favor and the first thing you feel compelled to do is get on channel one and complain about how lopsided things are you are a moron.
If you are in the CT and you see someone on the other side do the above and feel compelled to aug and switch as fast as you possibly can you are a moron.
If you are in the CT and you are fighting in dogfights that are pretty even but the other side not only has four or five more players than yours but they seem more interested in taking one of your thirty or so some odd bases ... and you feel so outraged that you land and type complaints about in on channel one instead of grabbing a wingie or two and doing something about it ... you are a moron.
You may not agree, but you are wrong. :D
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Sure it does. I'm just being descriptive when I say "poor widdle axis always fighting an uphill battle ... both ways ... barefoot in the snow ... but we don't mind ... really we don't ... just felt compelled to mention it ... time and again" whine.
I wasn't even talking to you Arlo!
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Originally posted by Bear76
Sure it does. I'm just being descriptive when I say "poor widdle axis always fighting an uphill battle ... both ways ... barefoot in the snow ... but we don't mind ... really we don't ... just felt compelled to mention it ... time and again" whine.
I wasn't even talking to you Arlo!
Hehe .... this quote button feature is sooooo cool! :D
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I'll fly which ever side has the lowest numbers. The only exception to this is if there's a lot of people online and it's fairly equal and there's a particular aircraft I want to grab some experience in without having to buy a perk plane e.g. Spit14, in CT it is fun, in MA it is almost suicidal.