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Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Gixer on July 19, 2003, 06:14:29 PM

Is the madness ever going to stop? How can one person be so short sighted.


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=425893


...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: ra on July 19, 2003, 06:17:08 PM

"President George Bush is targeting the international treaty to save the ozone layer which protects all life on earth from deadly radiation, The Independent on Sunday can reveal."

That's as far as I got before I fell over laughing.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Gadfly on July 19, 2003, 06:23:51 PM

Actually, what our government wants, is for Every signatory to abide by the same rules.  As is, the "underdeveloped" nations get to polutte, while we, with our relatively cleaner industries must drop our emmisions.

Basically an anti-developed country treaty.  We would be stupid to sign it(which is why we haven't and won't).  Blame it on the U.S., not Bush.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: lazs2 on July 21, 2003, 08:35:22 AM

so would someplace like new zealand say, have as strict a rules as the U.S.?   I'm sure they could afford to contribute a feew billion a year to end this unproven but potentialy deadly threat to all mankind.
lazs

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: john9001 on July 21, 2003, 09:17:15 AM

the sheep in new zealand emit 'green house" gases that are a major contributer to global warming. the sheep need to be fitted with catalictc converters.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Eagler on July 21, 2003, 09:17:23 AM

bush must be the anti-christ :rolleyes:

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2003, 10:09:45 AM

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this unproven but potentialy deadly threat to all mankind.

Another person fooled by Rush Limbaugh and his silly science.

Read this before jumping to conclusions. http://www.atm.ch.cam.ac.uk/tour/part3.html

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: lazs2 on July 21, 2003, 10:27:49 AM

so... the current theory is that..... maybe.

oh... milk and eggs... good for us or bad for us these days?    Anyone know?  I like to stay current.
lazs

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: ra on July 21, 2003, 10:34:16 AM

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..milk and eggs... good for us or bad for us these days?

Yes.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: LePaul on July 21, 2003, 10:46:27 AM

There was a neat thing on the science channel this weekend...I think it was called "Climate Controversy" or the like.  Both camps argued scientifically about how to getter grasp/control global warming, etc.

Turns out, the science can't prove doing a thing makes a difference.  Satellites show the sun is more active, thus the higher intensity/warmer temps.  

And, if things were heating up badly, the lower atmospehere would be hotter.  It isnt

Catch the show...dunno what channel it is for everyone...its one of the discovery channels and was pretty good.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: lazs2 on July 21, 2003, 11:48:59 AM

If it is natural then there is no way to hire a bunch of useless agencies and afirmative action do nothings tio staff em so...   that would not be aceptable.  The government would not grow and a lot of people wouldn't have something to feel good about.
lazs

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 21, 2003, 11:58:10 AM

No rational actor in Bush's position would sign this treaty even if all of the science about global warming and ozone depletion is completely accurate.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2003, 12:26:49 PM

Global warming and Ozone depletion are 2 different things.

There is nothing 'natural' about CFC's depleting the Ozone.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Stringer on July 21, 2003, 12:30:18 PM

Want to slow Global Warming.....

Make more man-made snow!

More snow on the ground for a few days longer every year would mean more sunlight reflected back out to space instead of being absorbed, thus eventually slowing and ultimately reversing the Global Warming Trend!

I stake "Al Gore" claims to this idea and any proceeds that result!

Now I'm off to get that Government Grant money so I can build a super-computer (my P2 386 just won't due) and in 10....no 20 years worth of simulations to prove the validity of my hypothosis!

THINK SNOW!!!!

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2003, 12:34:01 PM

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Global warming and Ozone depletion are 2 different things.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Stringer on July 21, 2003, 12:42:42 PM

I know that MT....I work for a company that pioneered the use of ozone friendly gases to replace halon fire extinguishants.

My post was in response to the global warming post in this thread...or didn't you catch on to that?

But I do think it was cute how you quoted yourself....you should start your posts in the future like this....MT says...

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: mietla on July 21, 2003, 12:48:09 PM

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Another person fooled by Rush Limbaugh and his silly science.

Read this before jumping to conclusions. http://www.atm.ch.cam.ac.uk/tour/part3.html

This powerful picture convinced me right away. Those two little guys with a balloon in a right lower corner just can't be wrong. And on top of it, the info comes from the internet.

Count me as a believer now.

(http://www.atm.ch.cam.ac.uk/tour/tour_images/cartoon.gif)

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: ra on July 21, 2003, 12:51:43 PM

This picture prooves that the ozone hole is caused by all those balloons.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2003, 02:59:07 PM

That picture was there just so you conservative types can pretend its a comic book and continue reading.

:p

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: mietla on July 21, 2003, 03:03:02 PM

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Originally posted by midnight Target
That picture was there just so you conservative types can pretend its a comic book and continue reading.

:p

Nice try MT, but you libs send kids to public schools where they can't pass and exist exam for years because they do not know what reading is.



:)

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: LoneStarBuckeye on July 21, 2003, 04:21:44 PM

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
No rational actor in Bush's position would sign this treaty even if all of the science about global warming and ozone depletion is completely accurate.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Short, sweet, to the point, and obviously correct.

- JNOV

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Vulcan on July 21, 2003, 04:22:40 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
so would someplace like new zealand say, have as strict a rules as the U.S.?   I'm sure they could afford to contribute a feew billion a year to end this unproven but potentialy deadly threat to all mankind.
lazs

Stricter. Theres a huge uproar here over the so called "fart tax" imposed on sheep and cattle farmers. Whats making it worse is farmers receive no credit for forestry. Most farms in NZ have diverse crops, for example a lot of dairy farms have forestry plantations as well.

Last time I saw a pollution chart places like china were one of the biggest contributors. The Kyoto treaty is a load of bollocks, if its not equally applied whats the point?

Heres some refs on the NZ thing:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikatotimes/0,2106,2576004a6004,00.html

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2573527a6242,00.html

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2558666a4560,00.html

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2549151a4560,00.html

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: MrLars on July 21, 2003, 04:31:03 PM

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Originally posted by mietla
Nice try MT, but you libs send kids to public schools where they can't pass and exist exam for years because they do not know what reading is.



:)

LOL...seems a private education is no guarantee that proper puncuation and spelling will be used later in life.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: mietla on July 21, 2003, 05:09:21 PM

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Originally posted by MrLars
LOL...seems a private education is no guarantee that proper puncuation and spelling will be used later in life.

puncuation :)


obviously you are right.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: Udie on July 21, 2003, 05:23:27 PM

I remember a few years back while I was living in Houston.  There was this big convention in DC about global warming, the ozone and the weather.  Some big shindig that Clinton was having or something.  Well Dr. Neal Frank, the weather man for  CH. 11 in houston and the former head of the National Weather Service was asked why he wasn't going to attend.  His response.... " Look,  we can't tell what the weather will be like next week. What makes anybody think we'll be able to tell what it will be like in 50 years."  That just about sums up my position on all this crap.

 Bush is right not to sign that stupid treaty.  I tell you what,  if all the other nations on this planet would do 1/2 the stuff the US does to stop pollution we'd have no supposed problem....


 more hypocritical BS from the american/bush haters....

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: MrLars on July 21, 2003, 05:52:42 PM

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Originally posted by mietla
puncuation :)


obviously you are right.

I half no spel chequer, blame that other Bill....Gates!

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
Post by: john9001 on July 21, 2003, 06:09:54 PM

we needs a spel chequer in here, i havs to use my e-maile spel chequer awl the time, its a brother.

Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
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Title: "Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty"
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