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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on May 13, 2001, 06:56:00 PM
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am looking forward to flying the P-47D-11 razorback when it gets here and am practicing a bit on the p47d25 & 30 but having trouble fighting any decent flyer 1v1 or 2 v 1 even Co e or less. seems any turning or zooming for a shot and I loose all E and angles instantly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
still have ok K/d of like 3/1 but need help learning how to "roll around" in the jug and point the 50 cal where it needs to go.
help!
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I am not in the same league as the guys you are mentioning. But I fly the P-47D-25 and would be happy to work with you 1 v 1 or MarkAT and I could set up a 2 v 2 or 2 v 1 for you in the Training Arena. Be happy to let you shoot me down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but I will make it as hard as I can for you.
(http://www.applink.net/thunder/sig/thsig.jpg)
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LOL Citabria in a P-47.
I can see it now.. "HTC the performance of the D11 is way off, you must fix it now..."
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Cit,
I'm in no way qualified to have a valid 2 cents here...but I read some comments from robert johnson somewhere about "stuffing the elbow"...basically he would roll away from turn and push down and thru pointing jug to "elbow" of bogies turn...using roll rate and rudder to get nose pointed ahead of bogie. Then unload and zoom in for shot and pull up and over path...think some mention in shaw under 1 vs 1 disimiliar planes.
[This message has been edited by humble (edited 05-13-2001).]
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Two thing Cit.
1. Never turn with your nose up in a Jug.
2. Use Flaps! ( never more than two notches and none when pointed downwards )
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just think of it as a P-38 on one engine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Maybe Cit will have some respect for P47 pilots now.
Go away from my plane, the P47 doesn't need you.
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy6.jpg) 63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
You may want to fly above this red light, Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier while flight instructing on short final runway 04 KMLB.
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Well, to be honest I'm not that good when it comes to a duel situation. My SA is pretty good most times, and honestly I win fights that way most times. When it comes to a 1v1 co E... I'm not silly enough to engage. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Flying the Jug means having an E advantage. Period. If you don't, the best you can do is make 'em overshoot or surprise them with a very agressive move.
Now for the overshoot part and the 1v1 part, Drex is definately the man. He has a particular move that I can pick out instantly when I see it, and it is very effective. I'll let him tell you about it, but basically it's noting more complex than an oblique scissors that he starts nose up.
Other than that, the Jug is just a pure E fighter. It maintains E very well at speed, but it doesn't gain E back well at all. That means if you blow your E advantage, you are dogmeat. The key to the Jug is using the vertical and lag pursuit to maintain position on a better turning bandit until you can use your good instantaneous turn to burn your E advantage for a kill. The trick is judging E states, and knowing when you've blown it and it's time to bug out.
I'll recommend you set up a session with Drex. I'd be glad to help if you wish, but honestly in a 1v1 situation your just gonna smack me around. I think Drex is the just the anvil you need to hone your Jug skills against.
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://lephturn.webhop.net) for AH articles and training info!
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Email inbound Cit after I seal the deck for my wife.
Drex
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Share it with the rest of us jug wannabe's! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<S>IC
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Went online to grab some films for you cit. This flight was just a warm up flight, but it turned into some low E stuff. Not an exceptional hop, but one that shows some good geometry in a tough pinch. Gunnery stinks in it, but oh well.
Sent the film to Hooligan to post the link
Sending that email soon
Drex
[This message has been edited by Drex (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Here is the film
http://www.lvcm.com/jayb/film1.ahf (http://www.lvcm.com/jayb/film1.ahf)
Hooligan
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Drex...
The 357th will be switching to Rook for the rest of this tour. We hope to fly with you and the Blue Knights for pointers on the p47 and also with hblair to get some pointers on the 109. need to learn the quik reverse, i have been using keyboard rudders since 1989 in AW-DOS and im not sure if this is whats making quik reverses hard if not impossible.
This switch is a learning thing, we will switch back to Bish after this tour. Unless there are some heavy Bribes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dog out............
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Well, i'm no expert on the jug. But I can say wonders for a wingman, E, alt, and flying smart (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nomde
63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://nomdegurre.tripod.com/signature.jpg)
"God loves the 56th cause we keep Heaven filled"
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Watched the film. Very well flown Drex (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
POOR GUNNERY!! MY ASS!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You were getting hit flashes on that p47 from a thousand yards on a deflection shot LOL!
I know Drex's Achilies Heel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But I'm not tellin.............
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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was very exited to see your film... but it throws me back at desktop every time I want to play it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif) aarrrggghhhhhh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
Sorry I just really wanted to see it...
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Best regards
Dmitry aka vfGhosty
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Ghosty,
Do you have anything else in your films directory? If so, remove them. Rename this one drex.ahf and try that.
Also, ensure you are starting AH fresh when you run the films. If you have been playing offline or online and then go to films, there are often problems. Better to kill AH, start it again, and then go to the films.
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://lephturn.webhop.net) for AH articles and training info!
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Something that seemed to happen when I dowloaded this was that an additional "*.ahf" extension was added, so the file name read "film1.ahf.ahf". You may be experiencing the same problem.
Good Luck,
IC
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Thank you for your help....
I am very well aware about some probs when running films.. However 90% of d/l films brings me to the desktop every time I try to run them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
In this particular case I wanted it so bad, that I have removed all the *.ahf files from the folder... IT Didn't work...
I remember making a film myself and sending it to my squadies - only 1 of them could see it - the rest had the same prob I have right now....
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Best regards
Dmitry aka vfGhosty
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Drex, I saw the film too and must say you did superb job.One thing I noticed, you never even tended to blackout! Or does blackouts show on film?
What's your speed when chop throttle off during hammerhead?
Thx!
edit: Your opinion of differences of D-30 and D-25 what comes to ACM and overall handling?
[This message has been edited by janneh (edited 05-16-2001).]
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Dont you have to have the same terrian loaded as whats in the film... or you get the boot I think.
xBAT
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All i have to say is Hooooooolllyy chiit, what a flim. Im not in the habit of watching and or making flms but this one is a beauty. Drex, my hat is off, simply amazing. What a finish!
LaVa