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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: swoopy on July 20, 2003, 03:59:23 PM
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Superb Silverstone GP people doing all sorts of moves on every one, WTG to old Rubens superb drive and shuts up the media too. Nice to see the Toyota's in a one two for a bit :)
Scariest moment has to have been Fisicella's rear suspension failure at 150:eek:
Oh and the man on the Hanger straight.... what a F*****g idiot
In summery BEST RACE OF THE SEASON:)
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Go Kimi go! :D
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Best F1 race I've ever seen, no doubt about it.
I can't believe that kilted whacko with a death wish out on the track protesting with cars whizzing by at 150mph! Unbelievable.
Anyway, Speedchannel is re-broadcasting it at 9:00 Eastern tonight if you missed it this morning.
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The guy in the kilt put paid to Schuey having any real chance for the win, but a great effort for him, and Montoya to fight back into the points
intersting to see the cars thrown about like that after the second safety car, and well done to DeMatta for holding off Kimi so well...
Ruebens really put the moves on for the win, and it was excellent to see him take it out.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by swoopy
Superb Silverstone GP people doing all sorts of moves on every one, WTG to old Rubens superb drive and shuts up the media too. Nice to see the Toyota's in a one two for a bit :)
Scariest moment has to have been Fisicella's rear suspension failure at 150:eek:
Oh and the man on the Hanger straight.... what a F*****g idiot
In summery BEST RACE OF THE SEASON:)
Wow, you mean there were actual changes for the lead?????? I thought this was an F1 race??? Miracles never cease...
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Yep great race. It just shows how important a wide track is for F1 cars. Silverstone is one of those tracks where there are multiple lines through most of the corners, and we saw the result.
DC was my star of the race. He normally really struggles in wheel-to-wheel racing but he was fabulous today.
I hope they lock up that kilted whacko for a long time. He could have easily got somebody killed.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Wow, you mean there were actual changes for the lead?????? I thought this was an F1 race??? Miracles never cease...
You don't watch much F1 do you. :)
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Another thing: It looks like either Bridgestone has made some gains, or Michelin was caught out by lower-than-predicted raceday temperature. The rest of the season is going to be very interesting. See you at Indy. :D
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good racing although my guys except for montoya didnt do as good as i had hoped (ralph, alonso and trulli) :)
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It's a shame Silverstone is looking less likely to continue as an F1 venue. Which means there will be no F1 race in Britain - a complete joke.
It's also a shame that most other F1 circuits are piss poor. They even neutered Hockenheim.
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The Villeneuve/Button fight was a bit fruity. I didn't see Button pass him on the track so I guess it was in the pits. Excellent race, reminded me of Superbikes at times.
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oooooo, i really wish Villeneuve was in a better team. He is one of my all time fav drivers
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He's an arogant salamander shown up by a man with a fraction of his experience (and age).
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so?
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Not my idea of a great racing driver. If you are going to be arrogant, at least have the track performance to back it up. When your much less experienced team-mate is consistently beating you I think you're on shaky ground.
Now Michael Schumacher is arrogant, but there is no question as to his driving pedigree (IMO, of course).
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still like him.. nothing you say can change that :D
Maybe its because he won the championship the year i REALLY started to follow F1... maybe its because i think he is a really good driver, dunno
We will never know cause he is to old, but i think he would have kicked some arse in a better car
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shows you guys like too jump the gun.....
Villeneuve arrogant you say.....maybe he just likes too speak his mind and not play the stupid circus F1 game.....
and try too remember.....World Champ F1.....World Champ Cart Series.....
part of a group of gents tryin to start a brand new Team in F1....risky move....but he did put his Rep. on the line....its just not workin well.....he did get the giant Honda to come back to F1.
now apart from that.....Schum is on a team with a 350 million spendin budget(biggest)....Ferrari's closest team spendin budget is McLaren.....Talent and lotsa money will give you Champions don't you think.....
Same car.....Schum vs. Villeneuve......I pick Villeneuve any day of the week.....Schum is an excellent driver....very good at doin time trials.....but he really sucks when it comes too fighting for position.....he slammed D.Hill(on purpose).....and he slammed into Villeneuve(on purpose)....tryin to take em out of race......he's a bad loser.
put Schum into a Nascar.....and he's gonna slam into everyone.
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He's still being out-raced by a younger driver, driving the same car. You can't escape that fact.
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Originally posted by Dowding
He's still being out-raced by a younger driver, driving the same car. You can't escape that fact.
No we can't, but he DID however hold M.Schumacher back for a good 7-8 laps, which made Schumacher, who isn't the driver he was, but still has a clearly superior car, look quite weak.
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Same car.....Schum vs. Villeneuve......I pick Villeneuve any day of the week.....Schum is an excellent driver....very good at doin time trials.....but he really sucks when it comes too fighting for position
You must've missed when Schuey passed Trulli for 4th
No we can't, but he DID however hold M.Schumacher back for a good 7-8 laps, which made Schumacher, who isn't the driver he was, but still has a clearly superior car, look quite weak.
Thats a fairly debatable fact whether it was JV or the nature of modern F1 racing. One things for sure what happened when Schuey forced his way past.
Schum vs. Villeneuve - Easy...I'd take shuey anyday - just soley on the fact he is a vastly superior driver alone, he never makes the kind of errors Villeneuve makes...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by funkedup
You don't watch much F1 do you. :)
I watch quite a bit of it when I can. But I don't consider 2, 3 or even 4 lead changes all that exciting and that is what F1 has been for at least the last 6 years or so. Until this year it was Schuey, Haikkinen, or Barry (with the odd exception, Montoya, etc...) and that really isn't all that exciting IMO. Now WRC, there's bleedin' excitement mate!
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Originally posted by funkedup
You don't watch much F1 do you. :)
And quit being so snobby *smack!!! :D
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Originally posted by -tronski-
You must've missed when Schuey passed Trulli for 4th
Thats a fairly debatable fact whether it was JV or the nature of modern F1 racing. One things for sure what happened when Schuey forced his way past.
Schum vs. Villeneuve - Easy...I'd take shuey anyday - just soley on the fact he is a vastly superior driver alone, he never makes the kind of errors Villeneuve makes...
Tronsky
Jv's tires where much more worn out then Button's(explain why that is).....the crew called JV in the pits BEFORE Button......which gave Button the chance to go in front of JV.....in F1 you always wanna pit 2nd.....Button was faster......so crew decided to pit JV 1st.
now explain too me why it is that JV has 5 Dnf's and Button has none.....same car.....go figure.
vastly superior CAR and TEAM will put you in Front.....Schum had many opportunities to fight it out.....each time he crashed into the other.....and then you call that TALENT......unless he is in front of everyone...yes he is good.....put em in a fighting situation....he sucks....
as for errors...they all make em....proves there human after all.....at least he tries with the hardware at hand....instead of just whinin.
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JV's tires were worn because he wore them out. Maybe Button was driving more skillfully and conserving his tires?
DNFs - Usually caused by JV driving the car off the track.
I'm sure he would win races if he was with one of the top three teams. But he's not the driver he was 6 years ago. I don't think he really cares any more.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
And quit being so snobby *smack!!! :D
Sorry :)
Just wanted to make sure you weren't one of these NASCAR guys who thinks a car slowly pulling by another car that's 1 mph slower is "an exciting lead change". :)
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Funky, the F1 cars all run the same speed, just like NASCAR. The difference is, the NASCAR boys maintain high speed for a larger percentage of the time, thus the smaller comparative pull-away speed.
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nascar goes:
round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round..... you get the picture
wonder how those guys handle regular trafic? do they ever get anywhere or do they just go in circles?
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NASCAR has road courses too Nilsen.
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After spending the last couple of years learning how to drive fast in racing sims like GPL and Nascar Racing, I have a new appreciation and respect for race car drivers. It looks so damn easy on TV, but when you get behind the wheel and try it yourself, it is a very difficult and intense occupation.
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must have missed that funkedup, how many do they have every season compared to the oval courses?
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Watson's Glen and Sears Point. BTW, so far as I can tell, F1 goes round and round, too, they just add in a few(slow) right hand turns. Big whoop, what dif does that make?
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i just think its boring to wach oval racing whatever they drive, those right turns brakes it all up abit.
but hey, i dont like soccer either so maybe im just a freak. actually i cant say that i dont like it.... its more like an intence hate of soccer
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I'm with you on soccer, but I watch pretty much all forms of racing.
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Blah shoo hijacker :)
Was a great GP.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Sorry :)
Just wanted to make sure you weren't one of these NASCAR guys who thinks a car slowly pulling by another car that's 1 mph slower is "an exciting lead change". :)
Actually, I AM a huge NASCAR fan but I am a motorsports fan more than anything. I't doesn't matter what the speed is when the passing is done, just as long as there IS passing which is something that was sorely missed in F1 for YEARS. If there is anything about NASCAR that I hold way above F1 is the focus on the driver rather than the technology. Any given driver in a NASCAR race has a shot at a victory. Not so with F1. You have Ferrari, McLaren West and Williams shooting for the victory and thats about it. NASCAR? RCR, Hendricks Motorsports, Roush Racing, DEI, Penske Racing, RYR, Joe Gibbs racing and on and on that have a shot at winning. You want competition? There you go. Don't hate NASCAR ONLY for the fact of:
a)The 'redneck' image of the fans
b)inferior technology
c)They only turn left
d)any idiot can run a Cup car
Besides, at Spa a few years ago all of the F1 guys looked really amateur. What a "NASCAR"-like opening to a race, huh?? LOL!!
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West?
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West is McLaren's sponsor
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Originally posted by KanadianKrusty
West is McLaren's sponsor
Yeap. Dem ciggies bad for ya!!
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I'm a big Formula One fan. Have been following F-1 since 1966. I'm also a huge NASCAR fan, also since 1966. I think GP Motorcycle racing puts them both to shame.
But i like them all equally. To slam one or the other is just plain ignorant.........
C.
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ignorant? i not sure about that... though I agree about bike racing, pretty much any bike racing puts the 4 wheelers to shame...
I'd like to see NASCAR racing delve abit deeper into technology myself.. (mebbe I am ignorant +Q )
The technology of nascar typically seems less advanced than the majority of cars that you and I can buy today. I've always felt that racing at that level should lead to advances which eventually trickle down to the public, not technology that the public tossed away 10 years ago...
One thing I never did like about nascar... oops a road course.. lets find a road course driver...
SKurj
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Oh yeah about that twit in the skirt...
I was reading on the RSC forums about it and someone mentioned Tom Pryce in 1977 at Kyalami... Do a web search.. theres a video of what can happen when an F1 car hits a human body at 150mph+ (not for the squeamish)
SKurj
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I've seen it, the guy was literally torn into pieces. I really couldn't care less about the kilted guy, it was the drivers I was worried about.
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No kiddin...
Sadly for Tom the idiot who crossed the track was carrying a fire extinguisher (which was NOT needed) which they figure killed Tom instantly. His car carried on down the track with a dead man at the wheel.
SKurj
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Oh man I didn't know that part of it. Double suckage. :(
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Originally posted by SLO
Jv's tires where much more worn out then Button's(explain why that is).....the crew called JV in the pits BEFORE Button......which gave Button the chance to go in front of JV.....in F1 you always wanna pit 2nd.....Button was faster......so crew decided to pit JV 1st.
now explain too me why it is that JV has 5 Dnf's and Button has none.....same car.....go figure.
vastly superior CAR and TEAM will put you in Front.....Schum had many opportunities to fight it out.....each time he crashed into the other.....and then you call that TALENT......unless he is in front of everyone...yes he is good.....put em in a fighting situation....he sucks....
as for errors...they all make em....proves there human after all.....at least he tries with the hardware at hand....instead of just whinin.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree, because we obviously see this from completely different poles
I think Button is a far smoother driver than JV who to me he seems to fight the car more often than not..hence I believe the DNF factor compared to Button
As for Shuey....if everytime he had to pass someone difficult he crashed into them...well how do you explain his success, especially last years whitewash....
Ferrari is vastly superior team and car not just because of money (although obviously it helps), but alot of that is because of Schumacher. Schuey had the same benefit as JV did with BAR...a team built soley based on promoting the n#1 drivers success
As for whining...JV does nothing but, especially when a team mate looks to be better (even before the first race 'ala Button)
Tronsky
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I agree with Funked and Tronski - Button probably is a lot more conservative with his car and is able to get more endurance out of it. A similar example would be comparing Mansell and Patrese in 1992, both driving for Williams. Identical car, but Mansell achieved much better fuel economy and tire endurance than his team-mate.
And Villeneuve was doing a prima donna routine long before Button got in the car.
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On arrogance:
Interviewer: "Michael, what do you think about Jacques Villeneuve's comments considering the USGP circut?"
M. Schumacher: "I am not aware of any comments."
Interviewer: "He has reportedly refered to the Indy circut as 'Mickey Mouse.'"
M. Schumacher: "Then it should suit him."
One of the greatest verbal exchanges in F1 history. Pure dismissal.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Well we'll have to agree to disagree, because we obviously see this from completely different poles
I think Button is a far smoother driver than JV who to me he seems to fight the car more often than not..hence I believe the DNF factor compared to Button
As for Shuey....if everytime he had to pass someone difficult he crashed into them...well how do you explain his success, especially last years whitewash....
Ferrari is vastly superior team and car not just because of money (although obviously it helps), but alot of that is because of Schumacher. Schuey had the same benefit as JV did with BAR...a team built soley based on promoting the n#1 drivers success
As for whining...JV does nothing but, especially when a team mate looks to be better (even before the first race 'ala Button)
Tronsky
mind telling me WHAT Button has achieved yet......
lemme refresh your memory......NOTHING!!!!:D
when that punk starts winning something....then I'll start comparing him too diff. kinda drivers that have won something....
as for BAR vs. Ferrari......not in the same category at all.....Ferrari's been there since the beginning...so that comparison would not be fair.....
as for DNF's.....look again....If your a wuss you drive like Button...conserve is the key word....but if ya like too fight.....no need to conserve......Differences between WORLD Champ and young punk who hasn't achieved anything.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Funky, the F1 cars all run the same speed, just like NASCAR. The difference is, the NASCAR boys maintain high speed for a larger percentage of the time, thus the smaller comparative pull-away speed.
no they dont run at the same speeds, each car is different