Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on July 20, 2003, 04:12:26 PM
-
Well?
-
You get to choose how you'll be screwed?
-
There is oh so much more than just the President. There are local leaders, propositions, etc.
Of course... if you're deciding whether to like or dislike a candidate or proposition based upon the drivel they put on television during the campaign, it's probably best that you don't vote. :)
-
You can do a write-in vote for whomever you'd like.
Anyone who doesn't vote is a commie-pinko-rat-fink!
-
1. You can write one in. Write me in, for example. Write in Colin Powell. Write in Alfred E. Newman. There has got to be some person out there who you think is suitable for office, unless you think computers or lower primates should run the country.
2. You don't have to vote for a Dumbocrat or Republitard. For example you can vote for a Libertarian candidate (http://www.lp.org). Sure the minor parties don't get a lot of votes, but if the Demo/Repub hegemony continues to **** the American people up the ass, eventually the minor parties will start getting some votes. Assuming of course, that people like you vote instead of just sitting on your bellybutton and whining on a BBS. :D
-
If you don't vote, don't squeak about the outcome. You have a choice to participate or sit on the sidelines. Just don't think you have any reason to complain if all you did was sit.
-
I've been voting Green lately. Not because I agree with any of their politics, but because I figure that if enough people think like me we might eventually have a viable 2 party system.
-
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
There is oh so much more than just the President. There are local leaders, propositions, etc.
Of course... if you're deciding whether to like or dislike a candidate or proposition based upon the drivel they put on television during the campaign, it's probably best that you don't vote. :)
I never said I'm not open to yes/no voting on specific issues, just dont wanna get attaced to political personalities. And thats what I'm asking you - why should I be forced to vote for them if I dont like any of them? Whats the point?
As for the commericals, I dont pay any attention to what they say except that they they amply demonstrate how two faced and hypocritical these people are from the get go.
Like I said, I'm sure most of us have noticed how all of the poiliticians have both the "My opponent is a racist child molestor" agressive ads, and the "Gee whiz golly look at me, I'm playing ball with my kids im our yard, aren't I a wholesome candidate" family adds. Just disgusting....
Are you saying I should just pick somebody for the hell of it even if I dont like any of them just to please your views about participation?
-
The vote these days consists of voting for the politician you despise the least.
MiniD
-
Originally posted by Mini D
The vote these days consists of voting for the politician you despise the least.
MiniD
:) LOL
But I hope you'll forgive me not being overly excited about that propsition...
-
Originally posted by Mini D
The vote these days consists of voting for the politician you despise the least.
MiniD
Exactly.
-
part of free speech and democracy is having the choice not to vote at all.
The bs about if you dont vote then dont squeak is just that. I squeak about all kinds of stuff I didnt bother to voter for/against. People have the right to express their opinion on how their government is run regardless.
A lot people overlook the fact that folks can write in and vote for who ever they want.
So vote, write in a vote or dont vote in the end its all the same.
-
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I never said I'm not open to yes/no voting on specific issues, just dont wanna get attaced to political personalities. And thats what I'm asking you - why should I be forced to vote for them if I dont like any of them? Whats the point?
Out of all the candidates, you can't find a single one that might represent your interests? Not one?
-
Originally posted by Batz
part of free speech and democracy is having the choice not to vote at all.
The bs about if you dont vote then dont squeak is just that. I squeak about all kinds of stuff I didnt bother to voter for/against. People have the right to express their opinion on how their government is run regardless.
A lot people overlook the fact that folks can write in and vote for who ever they want.
So vote, write in a vote or dont vote in the end its all the same.
If you're not participating, than is it truly of the people, by the people and for the people?
-
Not really there is something I disagree with with all of them and basically I dont wanna get attached to political peronalties. I'll defend them if I agree with what they are doing, like bush in iraq, or argue against them if I dont - for example I didnt like clinton impeachment debacle. But I dont wanna get involved or connected by actually voting for them.
I guess I'm either cynical and dont care or an idealist waiting or hoping for something better.... I donno...
-
yes, "people" really means citizen, you dont give up your citizenship but not voting.
Some may not as an excersive of freedom of speech. Some may not give a crap. Either way they are still the "people".
-
Write yourself in.
Seriously, voting for the lesser of two evils is not that bad a reason to vote.
I would have voted for Riordan over Davis in a second, but given the choices we had on the ballot I had to vote for Davis simply because I didn't want a Fundi in charge of California. Having a wacko religious nut in charge of California would have been significantly worse than grey Gray's pathetic excuse of an administration.
-
Originally posted by Karnak
Write yourself in.
Seriously, voting for the lesser of two evils is not that bad a reason to vote.
I would have voted for Riordan over Davis in a second, but given the choices we had on the ballot I had to vote for Davis simply because I didn't want a Fundi in charge of California. Having a wacko religious nut in charge of California would have been significantly worse than grey Gray's pathetic excuse of an administration.
Not having a chance to vote for Riordan is in some part Democrats design - they engineered a campaign to defeat riordan in the republican primary including IRRC encouraging democrtats to vote for simon just so Davis wouldnt face the much tougher candidate Riordan. Actually this is one of the reasons I kinda support the Davis recall - kinda nice irony IMHO... My reservation about the recall is that it smacks me of parlamentalism where you can have votes of no confidence for a PM or can, apprently, call new elections whenever they are in crissis insted of just bearing down working together as public servants and fighting through it...
-
Originally posted by Batz
yes, "people" really means citizen, you dont give up your citizenship but not voting.
Some may not as an excersive of freedom of speech. Some may not give a crap. Either way they are still the "people".
Democracy is a participatory government. Certainly, one doesn't lose citizenship (nor should they) for opting out. It's a choice, a poor one, IMHO.
There are no doubt thousands, if not millions, of people on this planet that would die for the right to participate in their own government. Here... people blow it off like it's unimportant. It's sad.
The fact that some defend this point of view is equally sad.
-
If anything, the fiasco in Florida should have really hit home for people that their vote can make a difference.
-
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The fact that some defend this point of view is equally sad.
Yes...because your one single vote can make the difference!!
-
If you pay taxes and don't vote, well what more needs to be said.
This is a Kodac moment. ;)
-
If you vote for someone, you are endorsing them. If they are all scumbags, you are actively supporting and helping elect a scumbag. Not voting is more honest.
-
Voting is the enfranchisement of your citizenship. Failure to exercise that right means you lack the moral character to actually BE a full citizen. For some time I have been rather taken with Heinlein's idea that the right to vote should not be automatically granted simply as an accident of birth. I think he had it right in a way. Those who canot be bothered to actually earn that right don't deserve it. Failure to excersize the right to vote should be held in contempt absent any compelling reason, such as physical incapacitation on election day, for the failure to vote. Making a general statement that ALL the people up for elections are scumbags is an overgeneralization that indicates a lack of research of the cantidates.:rolleyes: There is always someone who is less qualified or deserving of the office. If nothing else vote for thier opposition.
I still stand by my earlier statement, if you can't be bothered to vote, you have no right to squeak about the outcome. You had a choice given to you to make your opinion heard. If you can't bother, then you get the government you deserve. To truly use your freedom of speech you must be involved, anything else is just noise.
-
I rather like the way the Aussies used to do it (and they still might)... People that did not vote received a fine.
-
Originally posted by Torque
If you pay taxes and don't vote, well what more needs to be said.
What needs to be said is that such a person is SQUANDERING or ACTUALLY TAKING A CRAP ON a right that MILLIONS OF AMERICANS have DIED TO PROTECT and such a person IS NOT DESERVING of CITIZENSHIP AND ANY OF THE BENEFITS AND PRIVILEGES THEREOF.
:D
-
If you choose not to vote, it is not the same as not BOTHERING to vote. If after a careful and sober (well for some not so sober) deliberation you choose not to empower any of the candidates, you have put as much effort in as your neighbour.
That is my philosophical view. In actuality, I have voted in every election since I turned 18, as I have chosen to vote for the party that compromises my principles the least. I am sometimes happy about making that vote (like voting for Mike Harris in Ontario) and sometimes unhappy (like voting for Brian Mulroney federally back in 1980)
Just remember Brewster's Millions - none of the above!
-
Some folks just arent qualified to vote. Encouraging them with flag waving "they died for you" isnt the best thing to do.
Ideally only those who have taken the time and effort to understand what they are "voting" for should be able to vote. But there are millions of hand in the sand idjits who dont care. Making them vote with a threat of a fine or stripping them of their citizenship doesnt sound to smart.
An oligarchy isnt always a bad thing. America was an oligarchy early and as the voting base expanded to include just about any one who could sign their name has not brought about a better America.
So the left wing dope smokers complaining about the Council on Foreign Relations at their "stop US imperialism" rally dont need to be encouraged and or forced to vote. Instead of handing out voter registration cards we ought to hand out free dope and condoms or what ever to keep umm away from the poling stations.
The same goes for some right wing religious Kooks. Convince them that God Hates voters.
Look at those idiots in Florida who voted and didnt even know wtf they were voting for.
Again some see not voting as right as well. Free speech and all.
But whatever.....
-
Originally posted by Batz
Some folks just arent qualified to vote.
I believe the only qualification required is citizenship. The idiot votes will cancel each other out... :)
-
Originally posted by funkedup
What needs to be said is that such a person is SQUANDERING or ACTUALLY TAKING A CRAP ON a right that MILLIONS OF AMERICANS have DIED TO PROTECT and such a person IS NOT DESERVING of CITIZENSHIP AND ANY OF THE BENEFITS AND PRIVILEGES THEREOF.
:D
Okie dokie....:)
-
Marian Berry, spelling is probably wrong. DC Mayor, perfect example of the unintelligent voting.
He took a van straight down to the projects and got as many people registered to vote as possible. What happened? They reelected a crack head.
-
Also, you should be much more concerned about who is sitting on the local school board, city council, and other local governments.
I bet you’d be real surprised at what’s actually going on in your backyard by your “elected” leaders. Everyone is so concerned about the federal level they don’t see the city council passing bread bans on Pit bulls because a Labrador took some kids face off.
Or how about giving radar guns to citizens to track speeding cars on residential streets? Or putting in a Wal-Mart in a residentially zoned area because the council didn’t read the fine print? All things that have happened in my area that I would guess 90% of the “voters” have no idea about.
-
My answer is that if you don't vote, then when the day comes and someone takes away your right to vote. You will have nothing to complain about. It'll be too late. Failing to vote implies you have no interest in democracy.
I suggest voting against the candidate you dislike most. That's what I do.
I always vote if I can. We just can't afford to take the right for granted.