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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on May 14, 2001, 07:46:00 AM
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I've read *another* BBS (no not AGW) about the 'attitude' that is a generalization,and have received an email from an ex-flyer that generally states that this BBS is showing signs of "Elitism", "Arrogance", and rude behavior that has turned off at least two potential customers to AH.
Now granted, all three behavior problems are ALWAYS going to be part of an online flight sim. The first two are usually inherent of a fighter pilot in general. But to post that on a public BBS only makes the sim look that much more unpleasant.
I know its only two instances, but 2 instances can easily be magnified by 200 over time.
So, I ask you fellow posters, knock the crap off. Let's post about the flight sim, not personal attacks. Sure, I've said myself here on the BBS that I thought someone was full of B.S., and I didn't feel good about it either. I think we all have a tendancy to call a spade a spade, but I truly believe that some of our opinions of each other are to be left unsaid.
Join me by posting on this thread that you will try to refrain from personal attacks, and stick to the subject at hand, Aces High Flight Simulation. All others who feel they have a first amendment right to post what they feel can take a hike, this thread is not interested in your personal attacks.
<S> to those who 'stick to the subject at hand'.
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Ripsnort you DWEEB!
Now get to work (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Join me in a positive thread by congrats to Ash!
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I agree.
But I dont think you are the best one to post this here, remembering certain attitudes you had in this BBS. It will be interesting how many cynical attitudes will we see here coming from wich people.
In any case, I think about the forums and the Online game as different things. This board is VERY hostile continuously. Online is not bad, at all. At least when I?m online ,apart of certain happenings, 90% of the time this is a very friendly community.
not so in the boards.
IMHO, of course.
[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Ram, I could care less about someones attitude, its the personal attacks that drive folks away. Read the post above again about my personal attacks.
Also, might add, that the BBS is usually the first thing a potential customer will see prior to loggin on, not always, but in alot of cases. By making that a pleasant experience, ie. no personal attack messages, he may actually want to try the sim due to the positive subject matter. Thats all.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Ripsnort said:
........"Elitism", "Arrogance", and rude behavior that has turned off at least two potential customers to AH.
some good points rip. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) S!
but, a lot of this noise comes from just a few characters who live on here posting their lives away. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
they seem to want to control everyone's threads and repeat this obession over and over again.
no wonder outsiders get a distorted view of the majority of great people on here.
there are more subtle ways to hurt an on-line community than just behaving like nate and towd.
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sounds good to me .. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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DRILL
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I have allways tried to avoid this situation. When jokeing allways put in smileys. Some new post I wont even read because of the person who wrote it to begin with.
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Rip,
I have to agree with you. I came from FA where flaming was an art. What we have over here is down right personal attacks. Over there most was done in jest or joking. Here it is rather serious. I went back to their Newsgroup wnad was astonished at how much has changed. They are IMO one of the best NG's out there. They are all dedicated to their sim, yet you rarely see posts stating well were better then you kinda crap. I have said it before, the community makes the game, IMO they have the best one out there. That is why I stuck with it so long.
I am also going back, this game has become the same run of the mill as any other sim. There are some gleaming issues that need fixed that never will be. I have started a few flame wars (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) My last couple were in total fun, I just wanted to see responses. What I saw was exactly what I predicted. BBS's need to be moderated a little more heavily then they are now. I hope the crap will stop, but I seriously doubt it. Good luck.
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I have a lot of respect for most of the people in AH, and you rate way up there Rip. I hereby pledge to refrain from all sorts of personal attakcs and non-objective discussions, unless in good humour.
Corn aside, I think the BBS could use some more manners.
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332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
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[This message has been edited by darling (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Ripsnort, u are 100% correct, I am on a break from flying but i am still reading the BBS to keep up on stuff,This is not a user friendly BBS in fact i would say in general it is very hostile, or negative,The aircraft and vehicles section is not so bad as general discussion is but still it is amassing that this is tolerated by HTC. My old sim FA 2 (which sucks btw)had a very friendly BBS environment, the reason for this I think is that despite their being more people MSN monitored it better,the in flight radio was also monitored better, big brother was always watching. We are all basically big kids if left to our own we will get out of hand.
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Fighter Pilots LOL !
"Nerd pilot wannabes" we are... (ok, maybe 0.0001% are RL pilots, but... hehehe)
Does that mean I can't say Santa has the fattest Ar*e anymore ?
But, you're probably right Rip... <S!>
Saw
[Mass]
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Originally posted by brady:
Ripsnort, u are 100% correct, I am on a break from flying but i am still reading the BBS to keep up on stuff,This is not a user friendly BBS in fact i would say in general it is very hostile, or negative,The aircraft and vehicles section is not so bad as general discussion is but still it is amassing that this is tolerated by HTC. My old sim FA 2 (which sucks btw)had a very friendly BBS environment, the reason for this I think is that despite their being more people MSN monitored it better,the in flight radio was also monitored better, big brother was always watching. We are all basically big kids if left to our own we will get out of hand.
Totally forgot about that brady. They had people "volunteers" that would monitor in game chat, in the NG it was also monitored rather heavily. I do thank FA for it gave me cheap entertainment and I met a lot of wonderful people. Even the old NG using the Newsgroup has gotten better where flaming was 1st and foremost a requirement. Now you see posts on Aircraft, or excellent matches. Things you rarely see in here. I amo not innocent by far. But will curb my activities as well for the bettering of a community in need.
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I agree,personal attacking on the BBS is BS. I don't understand how anyone can attack someone they never met before. If you really think about it,its silly,and pointless. It just disturbs the whole community and then someone gets hunted for a month. It isn't worth it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Can't we all just get along (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Actually I've been thinking that the boards been a lot better the last couple weeks.
<S> to Rip for doing his part. Now if we can all follow his lead?
Disagree with someone all you want, but stick to the facts. Lets not get personal just to prove a point.
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I agree Ripsnort.
No personal attacks.
No attacks on groups of people
No attacks on HTC
No attacks on Nationalities in game or other wise.
When those rules are broken and someone attacks you..what is the drill?
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The problem here is the lack of proper moderation. You can't run a proper bbs without at least policing your boards.
Ripsnort, you should never have to ask the guys to smarten up. It's HTC fault the reason these boards are vicious because they let the community have at it.
Generally the boards police themselves but you do need a presence that hovers over and acts as a 'moderator'.
I've done it before and it's a no brainer task. All is needed is for someone to step in and move conversations to the O-Club or ask them to take it off line. Same goes for certain discussion threads. Some topics discussed in the general section should be moved to Aircraft or Gameplay etc.
It's time for HTC to appoint a moderator.
Vruth.
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Originally posted by Vruth:
It's time for HTC to appoint a moderator.
Vruth.
i think someone suggested this 6 months ago and pyro said they didn't believe in moderators here or on-line. something bout putting people between them and the players. let's not start that wasted thread all over again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
for what it's worth vruth, you're dead on. should have happened a year ago.
hard to believe they watch this daily fiasco and do nothing.
at least let someone else help the community out with this crap.
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All I ask is this: Let us police ourselves. Lets agree to disagree. Lets all have our own opinion. Lets all have our own 'attitude'. Lets not depend on HTC to 'monitor' this board. Let us police ourselves and by doing so, lead by example.
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All I ask is this: Let us police ourselves. Lets agree to disagree. Lets all have our own opinion. Lets all have our own 'attitude'. Lets not depend on HTC to 'monitor' this board. Let us police ourselves and by doing so, lead by example.
In a perfect utopian society where everyone is kissy kissy, sure. But lets face it. The boards are their own worse enemy. While the visible minority are not the invisible majority, the squeaky wheel does get the grease.
That minority likes to hide behind their keyboards. They take cheap shots and then are not held accountable. It makes the boards very unpleasant and it turns off a lot of people from getting involved in discussions.
What we need is a mature moderator, someone who reads the boards, then when needed, steps in an politely ask the gents to smarten up or move topics to the appropriate places. Better still, knowing that the moderator is there is a deterrent.
I would like to petition HTC for a moderator. Use the community members who are respected to moderate the boards.
Vruth
[This message has been edited by Vruth (edited 05-14-2001).]
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Arrogance? Elitism?
Who said the two catch words describing 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"?
You feebleminded descendants of pregnant hermaphroditic hippo allied farmboys may want to be meek and wallow in your own pit of misery; but do not ask US, far superior to you, to do the same.
If a dog eats his own manure, does a human mimic it? I think not.
If it weren't for those pathetic carbon based life forms, there'd be few to kill. Like toilet paper, they serve a purpose.
PTTFFFH allied pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I like your post Rip, I have very similar feelings. You have my support on this.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Ram, I could care less about someones attitude, its the personal attacks that drive folks away. Read the post above again about my personal attacks.
Have to agree that you confuse me a lot. Sometimes I think you are a ******* and a ****** (censored (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) and others I think you are a decent guy.
In any case and if you want to solve some of our differences, remember that you got my email.
In the meantime <S> for this post. I had lost the sense of that part, and had understood it completely different.
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Agreed Ripsnort, but it will never happen.
ATC
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I do not at all understand how the conduct of persons on this forum could effect my decision to play or not play Aces High.
I pay to play AH because it best suits my hobby requirements at the present time not because of what is or is not posted on this BB.
The tendency of many to have their concept of how things should be run imposed on the entire group is repugnant to me.
The "Appointment" of monitors to "Barneyize" this BB is ridiculous.
I would expect HTC to step in here if and when conduct of posters warrant.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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who wants to join a sim where everyone is nice.
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No. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
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Baron Von Fat
TGIF 96th sqd, "Bacon Cheeseburgers" (http://fdb.50megs.com)
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'Join me in a positive thread' and pledges to refrain from being nasty?
I don't think things are that bad - for the most part things are good natured and certain subjects will always become a bit personal, no matter how many people pledge not to be 'bad' again. Those that have difficulty handling not being the centre of attention will always be around, but they are fortunately in the minority.
We are all guilty of resorting to personal attacks and it's good of you to admit that yourself, Ripsnort.
I think most people don't go out of their way to be offensive, and usually regret it when they do so, so what exactly is the point of this thread?
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"I do not at all understand how the conduct of persons on this forum could effect my decision to play or not play Aces High."
A friend of mine absolutely refuses to play AH because of the attitudes displayed here. He likes the game, but reads the boards and is instantly turned off. He figures "Why spend 30 bucks and fly with a group of elitist A-holes, when I can spend 10 and have fun in FA".
These boards DO drive people away. The only question is how many.
J_A_B
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What a bunch of bullsh*t.....
Elitists? yeah right. There is not a more diverse group of people online simming than here. To say we are proud of the product is accurate. To say that we are driving away customers with our elitism is nonesensical.
People are driven away for ALL SORTS of reasons. Lack of skill, lack of testicular fortitude, lack of genuine sense of self. Its easiest just to say that *mommy, I couldnt hack AH because (cough) they are a bunch of meanies....LMOA
People are attracted to AH for ALL SORTS of reasons. Best online sim of 2001 is just one reason.
Some of you guys wear dresses and bras and watch soaps in the afternoon, thats all I can figure.
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If the stats show only 1 in 9 complain then the math isn't hard to figure out. The bottom line is HTC needs to be responsible for their BBS, not us.
Dowding - you are right. It's not that bad, but as you can see from a few of the replies in this thread, we do have a problem. As I said before, the visible minority needs to be moderated.
Vruth
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[This message has been edited by Vruth (edited 05-14-2001).]
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I agree to only attack those who are obviously wrong (meaning those who disagree with me). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Just kidding.
I try to moderate my responces, and have a hard time understanding why someguys take it to a personal level right away. Unfortunately when that has happened to me, I have responded somewhat in kind. I know there is always room for improvement, and I am working on it.
Good ideas, good post there Ripfart. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dago
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Originally posted by Yeager:
[Some of you guys wear dresses and bras and watch soaps in the afternoon, thats all I can figure.
Y[/B]
You'se got a problem wi' dat?
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Otter
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Yeagers been fantasizing about us again...
When ya comin out dude? Its way overdue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Originally posted by Yeager:
Some of you guys wear dresses and bras and watch soaps in the afternoon, thats all I can figure.
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Originally posted by darling:
Corn aside, I think the BBS could use some more manners.
Agreed, and to that end....Coffee, Darling?
Cobra
(I'm sorry everytime for that Darling, but that was a very funny Black Adder Episode.)
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Arrogance? Elitism?
Who said the two catch words describing 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"?
You feebleminded descendants of pregnant hermaphroditic hippo allied farmboys may want to be meek and wallow in your own pit of misery; but do not ask US, far superior to you, to do the same.
Speaking of descendants (and I don't want to do this but StSanta has forced the issue), I have irrefutable, non-retouched, digital-enhanced, photographic evidence that StSanta is Segfried & Roy's love child.
At first I thought he was Liberache's love child, but on closer review of the (ahem) evidence, it appears that while a distant relation to Liberache, he is in fact the prodigy of that famous Las Vegas Animal Act. Oh My! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
BTW, this is not a personal attack. It is merely a public service to unite these two parties.
Cobra
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... The concept of a kinder, gentler BBS smacks of another republican plot.. Rip, ol buddy; do you have an elephant in yer yard on election day?
I can understand and even agreee to the ideal of 'keep the personal attacks off the BBS'... but I, like some others here; would have to have my keyboard locked on some occasions... "spade's a spade's" a good analogy. I can rememeber a few occasions when I 'lost it' and did a "D&DID" (discourse & dismemberment in detail) on a now long gone pilot.. not one of my shining moments. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I applaud those with the restraint to absorb a direct insult without refrain on this BBS.. but; sadly, I find it difficult to do so myself. *sigh* Oh; well..
Some famous dead guy once said (while still alive I think) "It's often best to just clam up and let 'em think yer an amazinhunk than to open yer mouth and prove it". That may apply here.. most of the drivel I see needs no response.. we already know who the amazinhunks are. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hang
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First of all I strongly believe RipSnort's right. Oh, so right. But him saying " ... behavior problems are ALWAYS going to be part of an online flight sim." just isn't true.
I myself come from the SDOE community and I can only say that a friendlier more helpsome crowd is indeed virtually impossible to come across. It was very striking to experience the level of matureness in here. Not that I am easily offended (I found Cobra's remark above very funny).
I think it comes from eagerness. There's a feeling, perhaps, that if you shout loud enough on the BBS you might have your will regarding developments to the game. Further, AH pilots are very competitive. This is by all means great for the game (someone earlier said that people in-game are friendly and polite, but out here can be nasty and rude - I agree) - I just wish competitiveness would be accompanied with humor, a bit of role-play (yez, indeed ze germanz pilotz should indeed be of ze arrogantz nature) and foremost helpfullness to the new - aka more eagerness and sense of 'belonging' to this community.
It's really hard to feel at home here at times.
To quote Vruth:
"What we need is a mature moderator, someone who reads the boards, then when needed, steps in an politely ask the gents to smarten up or move topics to the appropriate places. Better still, knowing that the moderator is there is a deterrent.
I would like to petition HTC for a moderator. Use the community members who are respected to moderate the boards."
That's what we had in SDOE. Veteran moderators. I guess a person like Ripsnort would make a fine moderator!
(now pay up, rip) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Who says the board is unfriendly. http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~a.mert/fight.swf (http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~a.mert/fight.swf)
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Agreed, and to that end....Coffee, Darling?
Cobra
(I'm sorry everytime for that Darling, but that was a very funny Black Adder Episode.)
One lump or two?
Ahhhh, cappucino!
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wow.. rip and ag/sturm6 giving advise about how we should all stop "personal" attacks. It's really quite simple... don't lie and don't say stupid toejam and people won't be able to make any meaningfull attacks on you. If you do lie or say stupid toejam then get a thick skin or, as ag/sturm is doing... leave.
lazs
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Rip,
I think your heart's in the right place and I applaud you for speaking out and trying to make this community a better place for all of us to live : When you stop and think on it, we all do spend a large portion of our lives either in the "air" or on this bulletin board (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Why shouldn't we demand a community where mutual respect is the order of the day. After all (and without trying to sound elitist), this is OUR community. Well, okay, it's HTC's community, but we pay the rent!
<SALUTE>
Buhdman, in
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(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
home.earthlink.net/~wjbarrow
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Well J_A_B, what can I say?
Oh yeah, this:
Of all the people who fly in the AH main arena just how many of them actually post on this BB and are those who do not post here to be considered "elitist A-holes" just by association?
And this:
I really, really like this woman but I cannot stand her mother so I guess I will just forget the whole thing.
OK, here is a possible solution for your friend(s) who love the game-hate the BB.
Play the game....do not read the BB.
Would the phrase "Real Lame Excuse for not playing Aces High" be considered a personal attack?
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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While I agree, Sunchaser, that some use this as an excuse not to learn a new sim, and probably have alot other excuses, I'm sure you could agree to the fact that when a person downloads the game, and has some questions, they will usually go to the games BBS first. Its similiar to going to a restaurant, where you open the door, and the first senses that you encounter will usually set the tone for the visit. Now, I'm not saying AH is a restaurant, but bear with me.
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Originally posted by lazs:
wow.. rip and ag/sturm6 giving advise about how we should all stop "personal" attacks. It's really quite simple... don't lie and don't say stupid toejam and people won't be able to make any meaningfull attacks on you. If you do lie or say stupid toejam then get a thick skin or, as ag/sturm is doing... leave.
lazs
Truly amaze me with your wording. Please tell how you came about with this exquisite vocabulary? We've always wondered who wins the Darwin awards, lazs I have confidence you will be up for the 2002 awards.
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Let the flame war commense... or not. The choice is yours lazs and sturm. Kinda think that's what rip was trying to get at.
AKDejaVu
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Was raised a mere mullet but had (imagine booming deep voice of a father) "If you can't say a good thing about anyone/anything, Keep thy gob shut" drummed into me
I think and hope i adhere to this
(must admit i call a few guys Mullets but that's all in good fun, and i hope they see it as fun and not an attack on them)
Perk the BB !!!! (1hr flying buys ya 1 sentence (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) lol
Have Fun
Def
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Let the flame war commense... or not. The choice is yours lazs and sturm. Kinda think that's what rip was trying to get at.
AKDejaVu
Hey i rarely return the punches to lazs in the last month. And that was an extremely soft flame btw (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Give it up with this PC toejam it just won't work. I thought about it and yes I sometimes am harsh. But I also will not stand here and not defend myself. I settled things with SW awhile back and lazs just keeps pluggin away. So if I poke at him here and there so be it. I could have been worse but I chose to refrain for the sakes of your virgin eyes around here.
Kettle: Pot?
Pot: yes kettle over?
Kettle: get over it
Pot: roger
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Originally posted by Dago:
Good ideas, good post there Ripfart. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dago
I don't care what anybody say's, this board offer's the best comedy in the world. Oh..and I agree with Ripf...snort too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Swamp
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so ag/sturm... u didn't leave like u said u would? if not, i will continue to look forward to ur outrage at spelling errors and your.... exagerations.
it will be a relief tho knowing that there is a kinder gentler rip on the boards.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs:
so ag/sturm... u didn't leave like u said u would? if not, i will continue to look forward to ur outrage at spelling errors and your.... exagerations.
it will be a relief tho knowing that there is a kinder gentler rip on the boards.
lazs
I hvae 2 weeks 1 day left until I move. And check the other post from Rip might surprise ya there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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so.. ag/sturm... they give 'darwin awards' for vocabulary? I thought it was more like for turning in little tiny circles on the deck in your 190 against my dhog with a bunch of friendlies around... that was quite funny and more representitive of a "virtal" version of the darwin award i think everyone will agree.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs:
so.. ag/sturm... they give 'darwin awards' for vocabulary? I thought it was more like for turning in little tiny circles on the deck in your 190 against my dhog with a bunch of friendlies around... that was quite funny and more representitive of a "virtal" version of the darwin award i think everyone will agree.
lazs
Well tried being nice to you in the other thread. Won't work I see so you can just piss off. Not worth my time any more to post to you and your feeble attempts at putting two words together to make a sentence. Have fun lazs, can't wait to read about ya in next years awards BTW.
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{sigh} (Throws Rip a beer, swipes a cigar)
"Well that was, uh, special"
Yeager, testicular fortitude? And you'd be the knowing of that how, me wee laddie? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Note: It isn't just the BB, nor is the Newbies who object, Don't like that? Tough,
get over it, I got over you.
CYA around RIPSNORT
(deleting bookmark at last)
You're a good guy ta know, but, this bar still sucks, I'm going somewhere else. Y'dig?
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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What ever make you happy
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Rip, I agree whole heartedly, we need to police ourselves, however, I would say this, by and large very few of us are " pilots " let alone fighter pilots. with this being said if we use this as an excuse to be elite, arrogant or what ever you may choose, then that tells a whole different story about and individual or group of individuals, the personal computer and the monitor we look at has given rise to a whole new group of people who now feel like they no longer have to exercise any kind of civility because they know they can now get away with this kind of samll minded attitude, almost akin to what were seeing in individuals that are behind the wheel of a car that can drive away from their caustic dribble here we fly away in our virtual world knowing as soon as we turn the computer and monitor off it all goes away, but like you have pointed out what has been typed in a text buffer or left in a BBS leaves a stamp on the whole community and it doesn't go away as your friends have attested!
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You got my full support om this 1 Rip.
I quit following this board a while ago because of the reasons you stated.
Hopefully we are not to late.
maik
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wow - even a thread about flames draws flames (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I have been trying to post constructive, interesting things lately, not flames and attacks. I don't think I've completely put away the vitriol, but I am trying to tone it down.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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As an old ex-WB flier who has lurked here on ocassion, and watched the kids come over and kick over the trash cans on AGW when the mood strikes, all I can say is
BWWuuaahhaaaahaaahaaaha!!! You guys slay me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Give it up Rip, you'd have better luck getting Pyro to model an He-111, a Cutiss Hawk 75 and an RPS. When WB finally goes tits up, I expect that HTC will be underwhelmed by the influx of ex-iEN customers in part because of what you mention. Not that anyone in here gives a rats ass. What ever, cheers. =)
Lugnut
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If you're upset about what goes on in these forums, make sure you look up the guy who bothers you the most when you're both at the Con. Find that person, buy him a drink, and be honest. 9 out of 10 times you'll both find that neither of you is the a**hole you thought the other guy was. That last 1 time of course is just a great excuse for continuing to bag on the other dude (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In addition, if you ever get HT or Pyro mad at you, I sorta "proved" last year that HT will be your friend forever (or at least until he wakes up the next morning sleeping on the floor behind the con room door) if you buy him a dozen or so rounds of his favorite scotch (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I forget what Pyro drinks, but he's cool to drink with at the con too. If drinking isn't your thing, there's lots of ways to meet the person behind the ident at the con, and that alone is a great reason to make every effort to attend.
The other reason of course is to let Drex beat you during the tourny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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<places propellant on ground>
I blame it on the N1ki.
<runs like hell>