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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dtango on July 21, 2003, 06:11:53 PM
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In case you guys haven't seen the threads...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=53950&referrerid=3699
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=91866&referrerid=3699
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22608/
The rumors are correct.
IEN Servered us with papers Thursday when I was at the con.
And we have never used the method describied in the pattent.
HiTech
You can form your own opinions about this.
I usually stay pretty low-key on argumentative topics and avoid stating my own strong opinions. In this case I'm going to state my personal opinion. I think IEN should be ashamed of going to this length. The accusation and suit feels very much like a last gasp of breath for survival. The ends never justifies the means.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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did we need another thread?
;)
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Well frankly, yes ;).
Consider this a "digest" since (1) It wasn't clear at all by the titles of the other threads and (2) others wouldn't have to spend 30 minutes reading through all the threads like I did to figure out if it was indeed true or not.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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And here I thought the reason we are paying to play this sim was to have fun and enjoyment. I didn`t realize we had to get into the legal aspects of running a business online. What do I know?
I can see that by reading the posts on, this part of the game is porked and that part of the game is porked and the "I think this should be changed" posts that is has become obvious that at least 50% of the player base believes that they could create a much better sim. What I find strange is all of this unused talent is going to waste. What I mean by this is simple. If everyone is so much better at building a flight sim and can find so many flaws in Aces High, why hasn`t anyone done it yet?
Name a flight sim that is better, just one. Name one that even comes close.
Until then , leave how things are done in the sim and how the business is run to Dale. If not build a better one and run it the way you want it run.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
And here I thought the reason we are paying to play this sim was to have fun and enjoyment. I didn`t realize we had to get into the legal aspects of running a business online. What do I know?
I can see that by reading the posts on, this part of the game is porked and that part of the game is porked and the "I think this should be changed" posts that is has become obvious that at least 50% of the player base believes that they could create a much better sim. What I find istrange is all of this unused talent is going to waste. What I mean by this is simple. If everyone is so much better at building a flight sim and can find so many flaws in Aces High, why hasn`t anyone done it yet?
Name a flight sim that is better, just one. Name one that even comes close.
Until then , leave how things are done in the sim and how the business is run to Dale. If not build a better one and run it the way you want it run.
clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, Bravo !
WTFG Jackal, Bravo finally someone put into words what has been in my mind since i started reading this board.
I would applaud you in 40 different languages but I only know 1.
JustJim1
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Originally posted by JustJim
clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, Bravo !
WTFG Jackal, Bravo finally someone put into words what has been in my mind since i started reading this board.
I would applaud you in 40 different languages but I only know 1.
JustJim1
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oh yea?
which one? :D
Tronsky
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Hmm, when Jackal was quoted, it changed "want it run" to "want tit run" ... software freudian slip?
Cya Up!
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Trademark and Patent Office Response to Warbirds III trademark request. (http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76389086)
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Originally posted by -tronski-
oh yea?
which one? :D
Tronsky
LOL wise arse :p
JustJim
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Originally posted by Dawggus
Hmm, when Jackal was quoted, it changed "want it run" to "want tit run" ... software freudian slip?
Cya Up!
Hard to type with one in your hand. :D
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yeah jakal.. you shouldn't complain no matter what you get for your money. I mean.. simply paying for a service doesn't give you the right to have an opinion on it.
lazs
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Oops, i got this one Jackal.
lazs is exactly the type of player he's talking about.
(edit) no, wait, bad jackal, bad!
(edit) nononon Jackal's right!
(edit) what was i thinking? Jackal is eeeevil.
(edit) what is this doing *here*?
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Without player feedback AH wouldnt be what it is today...
Nuff said...
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jakal.. when did I make you a part of my sig? you on the other hand seem obsessed by me. Even the restraining order hasn't stopped you. And I told you... I don't like flowers.
lazs
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Originally posted by JustJim
clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, Bravo !
WTFG Jackal, Bravo finally someone put into words what has been in my mind since i started reading this board.
I would applaud you in 40 different languages but I only know 1.
JustJim1
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The most applicable point to be made in addition to yours above is this....a very small representation of the player base actively post on these boards.
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Customer feedback is important, Jackal.
In any business, it's the clients that you do not hear from that one must worry about, as those are the one's you're most likely going to lose.
Those interested enough to keep posting suggestions/Feedback are passionate about your product and are interested enough to remain involved.
Regardless of the flames, this is a pretty tight knit community, and Dale and Company is the leader of the community. HTC's customer support makes every player feel like they are almost part of the company. Therefore, we do express genuine concern, as what affects Dale and HTC affects the community, and by proxy, us.
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somehow... it seems to sound a little nicer when muck says it than when I do. Could that be? naaaa.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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i thought shane and lazs were the leaders of this community. silly me.
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oh, and dale talked with us a little about the lawsuit at the convention. He did not seem worried beyond normal concern whenever a person is handed a lawsuit. I dont want to go into any more detail than that about what he said, as it is not my place, and I dont really understand any of it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal.. when did I make you a part of my sig? you on the other hand seem obsessed by me.
lazs
Part of your sig? What ya asking me for for? Why don`t you learn to read who posts what?
Obsessed with you? I believe your the one who is posting when no one said anything to you. Now go figure Humpy.:D
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sorry jakal... get you mixed up with your bud rut. you all look alike to me.
lazs
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muckmaw wrote:
HTC's customer support makes every player feel like they are almost part of the company. Therefore, we do express genuine concern, as what affects Dale and HTC affects the community, and by proxy, us.
Very nicely said! My sentiments exactly.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by lazs2
sorry jakal... get you mixed up with your bud rut. you all look alike to me.
lazs
Just stay on your meds , drink some warm milk and get your shawl. It will be OK, you just strained yourself. lmao
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Ironic isn't it? The thread started to focus on patent infringement is the only one that has nothing to do with patent infringement.
Perk the LA-7
Spits are for Dweebs,
All ponys are runners,
the luftwaffe iron is/isn't porked.
There. That should hold the thread for a while lol.
-Sik
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I think Wild Bill/iEN have a thundering cheek, given how WB3 was a blatant rip-off of AH. As soon as I saw WB3, the interface reminded me of what AH had been in 1999. Even the message text buffer had been modified to be like that of AH. The inclusion of vehicles was copied from AH. Even the flat rate pricing policy was introduced to copy AH.
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Les avis sont grands, critique est bon pour des affaires.
L'abus étourdi et l'amorce sont purement le travail des esprits préoccupés et minuscules ! !
Manière d'aller Jackal !
I personally think they faked the moon landing............
Smiggyy.
:D
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Ironic isn't it? The thread started to focus on patent infringement is the only one that has nothing to do with patent infringement.
Perk the LA-7
Spits are for Dweebs,
All ponys are runners,
the luftwaffe iron is/isn't porked.
There. That should hold the thread for a while lol.
-Sik
Now you know this won't be a complete thread until Lazs somehow ties all this legal stuff in to airfields being too far apart :)
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If the fields were closer together then people would be too busy to post.
lazs
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Too busy downloading wwiionline?
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chasing away wwii online fans would be a good thing.
lazs
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agreed
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Originally posted by beet1e
I think Wild Bill/iEN have a thundering cheek, given how WB3 was a blatant rip-off of AH. As soon as I saw WB3, the interface reminded me of what AH had been in 1999. Even the message text buffer had been modified to be like that of AH. The inclusion of vehicles was copied from AH. Even the flat rate pricing policy was introduced to copy AH.
Thats because HT and pyro worked on WB before leaving to create AH.
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Originally posted by Smiggyy
I personally think they faked the moon landing............
Smiggyy.
:D
The lunar landing pictures were cooked up by Martha Stewart. What a total babe!!
TW9 I know your out there somewhere. :D
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Regardless of the flames, this is a pretty tight knit community, and Dale and Company is the leader of the community. HTC's customer support makes every player feel like they are almost part of the company. Therefore, we do express genuine concern, as what affects Dale and HTC affects the community, and by proxy, us.
Well, it used to, before we as paying customers were labeled dolts and idiots by the "leader" -- anyhow-- what ended up happening with the lawsuit(s)?
h
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Oh, grow up.
The people who were called dolts deserved it. They should have known better, because they were complaining about exactly the things HTC said not to.
If you're too dumb to understand what a pre-release beta test is, then you only have yourself to blame. Don't you think you could be more original then to resurrect a dead thread?
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Originally posted by Horn
Well, it used to, before we as paying customers were labeled dolts and idiots by the "leader" -- anyhow-- what ended up happening with the lawsuit(s)?
h
Most of us thought the statement was funny as hell. Those that cried and took it personally, SHOULD have taken it personally.
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and what the hell is a thundering cheek?
Jeeze the brits are cooked sizzly on the rack....
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Originally posted by Martlet
Most of us thought the statement was funny as hell. Those that cried and took it personally, SHOULD have taken it personally.
Where you found humor is irrelevant. Skuzzy bans people from the boards for personal attacks. Thanks for playing.
h
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Oh, grow up.
The people who were called dolts deserved it. They should have known better, because they were complaining about exactly the things HTC said not to.
If you're too dumb to understand what a pre-release beta test is, then you only have yourself to blame. Don't you think you could be more original then to resurrect a dead thread?
Whether they "deserved" it or not is irrelevant. I'd wager less than one percent of the players here have participated in a formal software beta and had no idea what the devs wanted or what beta even means-- they just saw all the glaring (pre-release) problems and reported them with various level of emotion.
As to the old thread, I searched the BB and found no indication that the issue (lawsuit) had been resolved and was curious -- I then found muck's quote about HTC's vaunted customer service, noticed the July date and wondered at the change in attitude between then and now.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Where you found humor is irrelevant. Skuzzy bans people from the boards for personal attacks. Thanks for playing.
h
I think he'd probably rather not ban HT.
However, obviously you took offense at the "dolt" comment. I can see why.
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Few people ever hit the nail right on the head.
Martlet, you have done a fine job doing so!!!
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Originally posted by Martlet
I think he'd probably rather not ban HT.
My point. Apparently I was being too subtle for your intellect-- I'll make it simple so even you can follow along--Here's a question: "Why would a CEO of a software company call all of his customer dolts and idiots for not properly following directions during testing he was getting from these paying customers FOR FREE?"
I like this company--and the game--but this last year has been very disappointing from a customer service standpoint given the fine start HTC made. From lack of information on new revisions to the lack of current version bug fixes, HTC has been living off of good will.
Now that a new release has hit, one can just observe the pent up desires and frustrations of the player base as they compare the "beta" with their various, individual expectations built up over the last year.
So yes, I thought his comments inappropriate. One should never yell at volunteers.
However, obviously you took offense at the "dolt" comment. I can see why.
I can't wait to hear your witty explanation here.
h
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He didn't call all his customers dolts. Perhaps his wording was too subtle for your intellect.
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"Why would a CEO of a software company call all of his customer dolts and idiots for not properly following directions during testing he was getting from these paying customers FOR FREE?"
I know he wasn't addressing me ... those who are the "dolts" are the only ones that would be offended ... IMHO.
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potaton
Please quit trolling - or I'll just KEEP owning you in the MA :)
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Originally posted by Horn
My point. Apparently I was being too subtle for your intellect-- I'll make it simple so even you can follow along--Here's a question: "Why would a CEO of a software company call all of his customer dolts and idiots for not properly following directions during testing he was getting from these paying customers FOR FREE?"
I like this company--and the game--but this last year has been very disappointing from a customer service standpoint given the fine start HTC made. From lack of information on new revisions to the lack of current version bug fixes, HTC has been living off of good will.
Now that a new release has hit, one can just observe the pent up desires and frustrations of the player base as they compare the "beta" with their various, individual expectations built up over the last year.
So yes, I thought his comments inappropriate. One should never yell at volunteers.
I can't wait to hear your witty explanation here.
h
See, I thought the answer was obvious, so apparently it's not my intellect that is lacking. In fact, the majority of the user base understood. That means, either you belong to the handful of people of AH that are of superior intellect, yet still couldn't follow directions, OR, you fall into the clueless dolt category. I choose the latter.
The funny thing is, you STILL don't get it, so you continue to whine about it. The irony kills me.
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Somebody pass the popcorn.
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Starts filling up mugs ......
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""Most of us thought the statement was funny as hell. Those that cried and took it personally, SHOULD have taken it personally.""
Amen brother.The ones that think this was "Rude" "A bad way to treat paying customers" or whatever all were direct recipients of the "You are a clueless idiot" award.There just to damned stupid to realise it.
This was a free beta.Given out to stop the incessant crying over where it was.The dolts then proceded to DL and play withOUT reading the plainly written explaignation of what they were expected to look for.Apon being called clueless,got offended and proved without a shadow of a doubt that they WERE indeed the weakest links.Good bye.:rofl
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Originally posted by Horn
Whether they "deserved" it or not is irrelevant. I'd wager less than one percent of the players here have participated in a formal software beta and had no idea what the devs wanted or what beta even means-- they just saw all the glaring (pre-release) problems and reported them with various level of emotion.
h
Probably one of the reasons why Pyro posted these very simple and easy to follow guidelines.
The purpose of this limited open beta version is to test core level functionality
and performance across a wide spectrum of hardware configurations. We're
interested in lockups, crashes, major rendering errors, and frame-rate. Please
make your reports in the AH2 Beta bug forum on our message board. Please refrain
from reporting minor bugs (like tracers or some gauges not displaying correctly)
at this time. We'll be soliciting reports for those and gameplay issues in subsequent
versions of the beta. When making reports please include your system specs.
Makes it easy to see why HT called them dolts.
ack-ack
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If this is an open discussion forum, then why are all the ones that have anything slightly negative are locked?
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Slanderous hate-rousing threads are locked..
Folow-ups on delete or locked slanderous hate-rousing threads are locked..
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Jeez another one.
Twitchy Skuzzy has alreay told you that if you have a specific problem you feel needs addressing to contact them direct with proof.
IE film etc, it does no good to publicly post it on the bbs especially if you may be wrong.
And yet you just cant digest this and either follow instructions or let it go.
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:rofl
It never ceases to amaze me how fast one imbecile attracts another. Horn and Twitchy, please tell me if you idiots have an advanced version of the human pheremone system that works better in dolts?
:lol
Ohh, and in before the lock.
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Im amazed at this thread's ability to avoid the topic of Patent infringement... still.
-Sik
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We should all pay Bruce Artwick a fee of $18/connect for the privilege of flying on a computer, then pay AT&T $18/connect for a networking fee, and Bell Laboratories $18/connect for the privilege of technologies, and MIT $18/connect for conceptual creativity benefits,... but if we paid all that there would only be 100 of us still flying.
Hmmm, .... HT care to reconsider? :D
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Im amazed at this thread's ability to avoid the topic of Patent infringement... still.
-Sik
Truly.
The cheerleading is becoming deafening.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Truly.
The cheerleading is becoming deafening.
h
Cheerleading?
Probably more that most realize this is but a game....if you need your ego stroked, I assure you, you've come to the wrong place.
I've tried many times to get Dale to just cancel the accounts of those who can't seem to offer anything other than contention at every opportunity....sometimes, it's not worth doing business with some folks, especially at a whopping $15.00/month.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Im amazed at this thread's ability to avoid the topic of Patent infringement... still.
-Sik
Why are you amazed ? ... only HT and company can address the issue at hand and what makes you think that they will discuss any of it with us ... especially in a public forum.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Why are you amazed ? ... only HT and company can address the issue at hand and what makes you think that they will discuss any of it with us ... especially in a public forum.
I'm amazed, because the thread keep plugging right along, in spite of the lack of information/news on the topic.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Rude
Cheerleading?
Probably more that most realize this is but a game....if you need your ego stroked, I assure you, you've come to the wrong place.
I've tried many times to get Dale to just cancel the accounts of those who can't seem to offer anything other than contention at every opportunity....sometimes, it's not worth doing business with some folks, especially at a whopping $15.00/month.
Ego stroked? Contention? Now you are making things up.
I merely asked about the current status of the lawsuit and made an observation about the customer service levels between then (when the old thread was written) and now. Any more than that is your imagination and the input of illiterati like Martlet and Bohdi.
No wonder Dale doesn't listen to you.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Ego stroked? Contention? Now you are making things up.
I merely asked about the current status of the lawsuit and made an observation about the customer service levels between then (when the old thread was written) and now. Any more than that is your imagination and the input of illiterati like Martlet and Bohdi.
No wonder Dale doesn't listen to you.
h
WAAAAAAAAAAAH!
in before lock.
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I'm just wondering why this idiot bumped this old thread just to complain about some well deserved comments HT made. What does this have to do with lawsuit???
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In before da lock
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Originally posted by Horn
Truly.
The cheerleading is becoming deafening.
h
Horn, forgive me, but I had to respond to get in before the lo.... ummmm, to try to share some understanding.
You're right about dissing customers, but this isn't a normal business thing here. Many have known and flown with Dale sonce the early AW days, and sharing the hate has always been the norm. HiTech could give Shane a run for his money. So it's not surprising HiTech might respond with both barrels.
We should also consider the work these people have put into this game, and how hard they tried to get it ready for the third quarter. Then when we finally get a beta release to *start* testing, many responded negatively on things that have nothing to do with the beta or AH2, about stuff that was just tacked together to build the beta, and much of it insults against HiTech and his crew.
They gave us a clear explanation and instructions on testing the beta, so there was no reason for the mindless complaints and insults to HTC. It may not be great customer relations, but it sure is understandable and justified that HiTech called them dolts. And the fact that some here do understand and feel it was justified doesn't make them cheerleaders. Especially in my case, siince I've done plenty to piss off HiTech also.
grizzly
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I'm amazed, because the thread keep plugging right along, in spite of the lack of information/news on the topic.
-Sik
You'll notice that this thread died, as it should have, in July. It was Horn who decided to revive it with the intention of a double poke in the HTC eye while trolling.
So, with no new additions to this thread since July, from HTC, as to the current state of the lawsuit, none should be expected IMHO.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You'll notice that this thread died, as it should have, in July. It was Horn who decided to revive it with the intention of a double poke in the HTC eye while trolling.
So, with no new additions to this thread since July, from HTC, as to the current state of the lawsuit, none should be expected IMHO.
I wasn't assigning any responsability for any person or persons bringing this thread back.
If you look back, you'll notice that I posted the same thing on the first page of the thread, when the topic was relatively "fresh." As a guy working in the IP industry, I can't help myself, but click on this thread to see if there is any information in it. Of course now I'm as much of the problem as anyone else lol.
-Sik
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They gave us a clear explanation and instructions on testing the beta, so there was no reason for the mindless complaints and insults to HTC. It may not be great customer relations, but it sure is understandable and justified that HiTech called them dolts. And the fact that some here do understand and feel it was justified doesn't make them cheerleaders. Especially in my case, siince I've done plenty to piss off HiTech also.
I really dont think the ones that "Insult" was aimed at would be missed.:aok
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Old news that may just be rumors.
Don't really see the point of even bringing it back up.
Whatever is or is not going on is HTC buisness and I'm sure will be handled as such.
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Picture a dark damp corridor. Off in the distance you hear a faint echo of heavy footsteps. As the footfalls draw closer they increase in volume. Like thunder from a storm as it comes closer ever closer. Soon the the footfalls are like thunder from the gods themselfs. Echoing louder and ever closer your fear grows and grows. Frantically you search for a place to hide. Every exit you find is blocked. You scream and run headlong into the darkness.
Finally as the footsteps are reverbarating in your head like a jackhammer was pressed against your temples. You find a open door you dash inside and close it carefully as not to make a sound. Still the footsteps come closer and closer echoing in the darkness. Fear overtakes you back into a corner pushing with all your strength trying to slip into the crack in the wall and escape the closing steps. Finally the thundering steps are right outside the door you pray they keep going but to your dismay they stop. At any moment you expect the door to burst open and a demon from ID to step inside.
But instead you hear the jingle of many keys on a large ring. At the last moment you realize your mistake and make a dash for the door but its allready too late. Halfway to the door you hear the key enter the lock as the rusty bolt slams home into the door frame you consider your fate. How long will you be trapped? How long before a gratefull death takes you and frees you from your prison?
The thundering footsteps begin again this time slowly fading as the demon continues down the corridor. You can hear his soft mocking laugh as his footsteps fade.
SKUZZY the keymaster has locked you in. Your pathetic fate has been sealed and you scream at the darkness why why was I such a fool.
HEHEHE in before the lock.
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Is it so hard to reasonably argue?
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Maybe the fun comes too easy?
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10/22/2003 1:49 AM Pacific Time.
Warbirds II and III:
25 players online
Aces High:
98 players online
I'm actually surprised that Warbirds had that many pilots logged on. :eek: :D
TBolt