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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Caine on September 16, 2000, 11:18:00 PM
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Is there a procedure for complaining about disruptive behaviour in the game?
I have been trying to get some practice in the training area for two hours now, but there is the minor problem of an experienced pilot slaughtering newbies. It is not a very 'safe' environment when you are shot up on the runway repeatedly merely because you are new and some pilots want kills, not a challenge. Someone help!
If possible, I'd like to report this "psycic" (his spelling, not mine) for ruining the game for those of us who are actually taking it seriously.
Help!!
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Did you ask him to stop? There is usually a field in the TA that is used as an ffa field. It pays to steer clear of these fields if youre wanting to do some practice.
Also, look in the roster for a trianer. They will help you out.
hblair
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As far as getting them disciplined, ya should email pyro about that. His addy is on the HTC website.
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hblair, its the training arena.. you shouldn't have to ask him to stop. That's not what the training arena is about.
Cain, send the person's id to HTC with an explanation of what happened. If it begins to happen in the future.. hit <alt-r> to start recording the event and then mail that to HTC.
AKDejaVu
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Thanks hblair, but we tried that.
I realise this may seem petty, but the fact that the practise arena is more deadly than the main arena is a serious problem for Aces High - and has seriously damaged my resolve to become a competent AH pilot (I can hear Mig Alley calling already...)
I know this community is not short of newbie pilots, but if this behaviour isn't controlled somehow, it's future is at risk.
I can glean no enjoyment from being blown apart whilst rolling down the runway at 50mph , and I doubt many other newbies can either.
Surely something can be done about these people - maybe a dot command similar to join but for consent?
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Wow I took a long time to type that, thanks all you guys, I'll see what happens.
Thanks for your concern, and sorry - I know there have been posts here about whiners, didn't mean to be one of them :-)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
hblair, its the training arena.. you shouldn't have to ask him to stop. That's not what the training arena is about.
AKDejaVu
What ya should or shouldn't have to do doesn't have anyhting to do with what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about what usually works.
I spend a lot of time in the TA myself. There is usually a field where the ffa is going on, usually default field. For serious flying and training with friends, trainers, etc. You should go to another field.
This guy is probably on his free two weeks and just doesn't give a rip. Is that right? of course not, but thats just the way it is. You can go through the trouble of typing up an email, finding the screenshot, reduce the file size, attach it, send it, etc. Then pyro checks his mail, and among the big hundred or so emails he gets every day, he'll have to read and deal with this one too.
Sure, I occasionally report someone to pyro or to the instructors bbs, but I reserve those for the worst of the bad apples. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
To sum it up, I'd advise just moving to another field when ya log on for serious stuff. If he gets beligerent, I'd do the screenshot thingy.
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BTW cain, we don't think you're a whiner. I just hope this negative incident doesn't influence you to go to another simm.
We'd be glad to have ya here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, blow me down.
Don't take this the wrong way, hblair, but am I right in thinking that when I want to practise, I should go to the practise arena and run with my tail behind my legs to another airfield? That the practise arena is actuall a FFA arena? That all these newbies with zero experience should somehow know all this?
I'm sorry, but AH is a commercial product. HT have placed a sign in there with RULES on it. I don't think just because some people have been playing AH for longer that they have the right to elbow out the newbies. We have just as much right to be here as the rest of you. I would say HT agrees, because they made a training area for newbies and a proper warzone for the rest. If you want FFA, they also provided a H2H option.
If you people insist on fighting it out in the training area, why don't YOU go to another airfield?
And you're right, I am still on my trial period. Er, does that mean anything aside from the fact that I like this game? I am not obliged to play it in order to justify the cost, I've been playing because I like the idea of a realistic multiplayer flsim.
Well, I liked the idea a lot more yesterday, anyway.
I know newbies are second class citizens in elitest communities such as this one, but could you lot please remember that you were a newbie too at some point, and have some consideration for others.
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sorry hblair, but it really shouldn't be necessary. That's what it says when you log into the training arena.
Its not the fault of the newbie loggin in for not bringing it up.
The newbie is not responsible for finding a field other than default to launch from. The people doing the furballing are.
That is the way the training arena should be. If its not, then the trainers aren't really get the point across adequately and HTC should handle it.
AKDejaVu
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Caine is 100% in the right. People who disobey the POSTED RULES in the Training Arena shold be dealt with STRICTLY by HTC.
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OK, here we go again...
First off, cain you misread my post (or I mistyped it)...
And you're right, I am still on my trial period. Er, does that mean anything aside from the fact that I like this game? I am not obliged to play it in order to justify the cost, I've been playing because I like the idea of a realistic multiplayer flsim.
I was referring to the other guy, not you. I'm on your side. If the guy wronged you, report him. If he vulched you and wouldn't stop, report him. If hes a general amazinhunk, report him.
I was just saying that some of those types don't give a rip, and it might be less troublesome just going to the tower and clicking on the next field over. Its not like it is some kind of chore. A mouse click is all. A rule of thumb is, if you join the TA, more than likely the field you default to will have some ffa going on. They may be nice guys, they may not. To be sure, I just go to another field.
As far as the ffa goes, thats just the way some guys practice. Granted, they obviously shouldn't be shooting new guys on the runway, etc. if the new guys arent ok with it.
I get in some ffa with citabria and a few other guys in the TA at times. We shoot each other on the runway. Its funny as hell to us, I was rolling in the floor when citabria nailed me OTR like 8 times straight. If someone else enters the area, they are informed that is an ffa area. This is just what we like to do. It works wonders for SA.
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Originally posted by Caine:
And you're right, I am still on my trial period. Er, does that mean anything aside from the fact that I like this game? I am not obliged to play it in order to justify the cost, I've been playing because I like the idea of a realistic multiplayer flsim.
Well, I liked the idea a lot more yesterday, anyway.
I know newbies are second class citizens in elitest communities such as this one, but could you lot please remember that you were a newbie too at some point, and have some consideration for others.
Caine:
I think you may have misunderstood hblair...
when he referred to a person on a trial period, I think he meant the user who was shooting you.
I think that he just meant that since this guy who was shooting you was a "2 week free user", he might not care if he gets kicked off. By the time the complaint is dealt with HIS 2 weeks might already be over.
Newbies=2nd class..I don't think so.
No newbies...maybe no Aces High.
In my experience..(since beta)..many, if not most, vets are willing to help newbies out.
I agree COMPLETELY with AKDejavu.
Hang in there Caine and good luck !
[This message has been edited by Snoopi (edited 09-17-2000).]
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Caine, if you want to try to get your legs under you I'd be happy to act as a target for you.
I'm not an official HTC trainer, but I'd love to help extend the good side of this community to you.
Drop me an email if you're interested.
aahola@pacbell.net
Sisu
-Karnak
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LOL hblair !!
I was typing while you posted.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The newbie is not responsible for finding a field other than default to launch from. The people doing the furballing are.
You're taking for granted that the furballers are not also newbies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
That is the way the training arena should be. If its not, then the trainers aren't really get the point across adequately and HTC should handle it.
Run this one by me again, it aint too clear..
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
What I'm saying here is the problems that arise in the TA aren't always so cut and dried, it takes some give and take by everyone. The furballers and the people recieving/doing the training just don't mix well.
Should the default field be the furball field? probably not, but if there were no default field, and the pilots appeared at random fields upon entry to the arena, the problem would likely be solved.
If ya don't want to be disturbed while training with a friend/trainer it pays to steer clear of the furball area.
If ya don't want to get in trouble with HTC, don't shoot the non-participating newbies.
I'm rambling now...
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NM I can't read
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-17-2000).]
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Hblair,
It is very simple:
This is not an open arena. Do not engage other players unless you have their permission to practice with them. Do not interupt other people from practicing together. Thanks for your cooperation.
Asking people to stop is not the answer. It not starting in the first place is. If someone fails to follow the rules, HTC should be dealing with it. Its really that simple.
The "did you ask them to stop" reply really reminds me of a character Billy Chrystal played on Saturday Night Live. He was a NY wrighter doing a series of books about how NY was an excellent vacation spot. When someone called into the show and explained how when he visited NY, someone poured gasoline on him and lit him on fire. Billy Chrystal then asked "Did you look him in the eyes prior to this?"
Asking people to stop is not the answer. Furballing away from the main field sure is. Not attacking respawning planes sure is. That's why we have the training arena. If people wanted to be shot on the runway, they'd be in the main arena.
AKDejaVu
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Been trying to figure out your simple reply for 10 minutes AK, too tired for this, maybe I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
BTW, What do you recommend HTC do to a guy that vulches an unwilling fella OTR 3 or 4 times in a row in the TA? Think about it.
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hi:
Caine, I am not a trainer, and Ive been in AH for a couple of days, maybe more then a couple. It does not matter what anybody really say's to you, the guy that attacked you was wrong. now the guys responding to your post are right in the fact they are just trying to help you out. they may have worded some things wrong and that is easy to do here. you will find that almost all the people in AH are good people, and that a lot of them will help if they can.
now the only thing i can suggest is when this kind of thing happens, ask the person to stop as you are trying to learn, if he does not stop or says some thing rude to you, then yes, move to another field. right or wrong does not matter now, he is a jerk and wont leave you alone. at the same time, ask if there is a trainer in the TA and if they can do some thing about this person. now if all else fails, come to the MA and ask if somebody could help you out in the TA, you might be surprized by the responce. now at the same time, remember it is just a game and not worth getting upset over, you are the bigger person here and the jerk has to try and prove his manhood by been rude. dont fall down to his level.
now I do hope you wont let this be the deciding factor on wheather you stay with AH or not, it is a good game with a lot of good people, but it is the jerks that all ways stand out the most, and we have to put up with them here as well. but I do wish you the best of luck on future visits to AH.
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"BTW, What do you recommend HTC do to a guy that vulches an unwilling fella OTR 3 or 4 times in a row in the TA? Think about it."
You send him an email explaining the rules.
If it happens again you delete his account.
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If anyone wants a free-for-all, they should be the ones moving to a different field and preferably as far away from the default (A1 usually for Bishops) field as possible. Afterall there are some newbies that don't even know how to move fields yet. I guess some are so excited at getting a great game they fail to read the readme. Nevertheless no-one should be engaged and especially at the default fields.
I popped in the TA yesterday and there was someone parked on the runway in an Ostwind blowing everything up that tried to take off and land. Then other pilots vulching newbies trying to take off. As it stands it's quite a joke and some 1 or 2 week old newbies are guilty of that too.
Perhaps a different colour icon is needed showing that it's a newbie and which also makes them invulnerable to gunfire. They can then switch it off when they want to engage with their trainer etc. Some people may abuse this but after all it's a training room, not the main arena.
Regards
'Nexx'
[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 09-17-2000).]
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If people want a free for all, that's what H2H is for.
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I have never used the TA, but it seems to me the name alone says it all: "Training Arena".
Not "Free For All Arena", or even "Practice with your Buddies Arena". It is for training, assisted by a trainer, or just a safe place for newbies to learn to fly without having all you hotshots gunning them down before they get airborne.
I would suggest H2H for EVERYTHING but pure training.
edit-Lizking
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 09-17-2000).]
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This problem is has been ongoing since day one of the TA. The way to fix it is to have dedicated training times with dedicated trainers that are REQUIRED to be in the TA at those times.
I'm sorry but HTC has hosed up the whole training system since the get go. The TA while providing some outstanding training for new people has been a constant source of agravation for a lot of new people. I shudder to think of the number of people who may have never gone past their free trial because of the behavior in the TA.
Sharky
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Does this thread ever look familiar (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Problem simply solved by adding a line to the pop-up message: "Free-for-alls at A23 only".
You have to manually move to that field, and are fully aware of what you're getting into should you decide to go there.
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 09-17-2000).]
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OK thanks guys, I had a good nights sleep now and cooled off a bit. Admittedly, I flew off the handle a bit here, sorry hbair, that last rant wasn'r directed at you personally :-)
I am not about to be scared off by a few players who can't appreciate the enjoyment a challenge can provide (I'm confident if I could get some altitude on that guy I could wing him!)
But I can't play often - at weekends my ISP is free, and since I am busy tonight I probably won't get any more action til next week. Hopefully see some of you guys then...
You know where I'll be if you like winding people up :-))
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hey how come smilies don't work for me?
testing..
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ah i see.
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Thanx snoopi
Good answer funked, maybe a 24 hour suspension for the second offense, the deleting the account for a third.
As far as H2H being for ffa, I agree, but sometimes there isn't a session going, plus being the host can be a hassle with the screen freezes and all.
I had a guy show up in the TA last night minus a stick and any expereince in the game, after much hairpulling, I had him flying a P38 with the mouse. Was a blast.
cain, if you wanna hook up, my addy is in my signature...
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[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 09-17-2000).]
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Who is TAK? Anyone want to claim this TA abuser?
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Easy solution to problem.
One team / country is designated as FFA (not the default side)PERIOD. (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/ut1/mgpotato.gif)
Other two country / teams are training, PERIOD. (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/cwm/read.gif)
Notice to be revised in entry to TA.
Very simple as all it takes is a revision to inbound notice in TA. Violators of the policy to be dealt with as HT and Pyro decide. (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/ut2/Instagib.gif)
Final note, those that have been around a bit and who know what the difference newbies vs vets are GROW UP! (this includes me too) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif) (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/cwm/silly.gif)
Mav
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Having a dedicated country and even feild for FFA furballing is a good idea for the TA. Designating a FFA field in the login notice is all it would take, so that sounds reasonable.
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Although it can sometimes get out of hand, when a trainer is around things are normally manageable. If folks continue to abuse the rules, we can and will forward information on to Pyro to handle it.
Also, please note the Trainers page on the AH website. Any pilot wishing some dedicated 1v1 training please email myself or any of the training staff for some personal lessons at a time convenient to you and in your language if possible. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Keep the positive suggestions coming folks... they do get through.
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