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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: flakbait on September 17, 2000, 02:23:00 AM
Situations dictate actions you take in air combat. Some of these situations you can alter, others are fixed by the game or other pilots. Below I've listed what I think, in my own opinion, is a typical reaction to a given situation. Additions are welcome, as are flames and any other commentary.

1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.
Dweeb: Cut throttle and vulch the pilot.
Ace: Wait until he's got a little more alt, and speed, before diving in. Salute him if I get the kill or he kills me.
Experten: Set-up a wide orbit and wait for him to be in position for a perfect bounce from above and out of the sun. Salute him if he kills me.

2): Enemy bomber is above your field. You've got less altitude than he does, but more speed. Several other pilots are present over the area, one in a position for a diving attack.
Dweeb: Try a dead-6 attack and cuss out the BUFF pilot for killing me. Then come to the BB and whine about BUFF guns being overmodeled.
Ace: Pull off to one side and accelerate past the BUFF. Contact other friendly pilots for help killing the BUFF. Man above dives in just before I turn around for a head-on attack. Salute both the BUFF driver and the pilot who helped me out, regardless of the outcome.
Experten: Do the same thing the Ace does, only I tell the friendly pilot to dive on my call. He agrees and as I turn around to come head-on I call and he dives in. The BUFF dies and I salute the friendly pilot for the help.

3): Vulching pilots are roaming over your field. It's been capped completely, with little hope of getting up and not being killed.
Dweeb: Try to takeoff 15 times, dying every time. Then I cuss out everyone for not helping, for vulching, and my own inability to think.
Ace: Switch to another field close-by and try to gain a little alt before engaging. Maybe call for help if there's too many enemy planes.
Experten: Call other pilots to join up at a field farther away from the one under attack. We get a plan together for a 3-way strike to break them up. Alt and speed advantage is on our side.


Now for some opinions:

Favorite tactics:
Dweeb: Vulching mostly, and spraying everything around me when I can't get a good shot.
Ace: Up and Under attacks, bounce, a few aerobatic maneuvers when I've got the speed. Plan things out if I've got time and a wingman.
Experten: Strictly bounce, Up and Under, and wingman strikes all at high speeds. Plans are done enroute to the battle with my wingman / wingmen. I prefer to think before I act, in order to have an advantage over the enemy.


Bad habbits:
Dweeb: I lose my temper every time I get shot down. People vulch me or insult me becaue I vulch, which gets me even more angry. They're the dweebs not me!
Ace: I sometimes lose my SA at bad moments. I get a little frustrated when some moron decides to not help others too. But at least I don't raise Merry Hell over the radio about it.
Experten: I have on occasion not given an enemy pilot enough time to prepare. This is my fault and I realize it. Comments about others I keep to myself, unless they're funny.

Thoughts on Vulching:
Dweeb: Great way to rack up a kill streak! Plus I don't have to worry about being shot at by him.
Ace: Vulching? As long as it doesn't happen to me I really don't care.
Experten: That is not a tactic, it's a simpleton's cheap kill! Only people that can't think and fly at the same time do it. People who vulch should have their scores docked to reflect it.


Thoughts on score:
Dweeb: Scores mean absolutely jack squat.
Alt-Dweeb: I want the biggest kill streak ever!
Ace: I check my score at least once a week to see what's going on. I can find out where I need to improve, and what I'm doing right.
Experten: Scores mean two things: One; how you are performing against the other pilots. Two; a record of your ability to think and act in combat. I don't believe your score is your only way to show off. That's where tactics come in.

Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.

Thoughts on guns:
Dweeb: Hispano and .50 cals rock!
Ace: Unlike the Dweeb, I can fire a burst and actually hit something. .50 cals are nice, so are the MG 151s for close-in work. I'll use a Tiffe on occasion for jabo stuff, since those Hispanos can do a number on anything.
Experten: Any weapon is fine with me. Accuracy, not firepower, is what will bring kills. You can kill with MG 17s just as you can kill with Mk-108s. The only difference is the time it takes to inflict major damage. If you can be patient you'll be able to kill using any weapon.

There you have it; my thoughts on this whole mess. Feel free to add your own in. Who knows, maybe this will end up on some site as a humor list!


Flakbait
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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: bloom25 on September 17, 2000, 03:25:00 AM
After being killed:

Dweeb:  Respawns immediately without a second thought.

Ace:  Gets mad, makes excuses, or gives a <S>, but can't accept the fact that someone actually beat him. (Not always, but sure seems to happen a lot. )

Experten:  Always has the film viewer running and figures out why he was shot down.  Gives a sincere to the enemy pilot.  Learns from his mistakes.

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IMO being able to accept defeat and learn from one's mistakes is what makes a true Experten out of a good pilot.

I'm hoping that someday I'll figure that out myself.




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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Duckwing6 on September 17, 2000, 03:48:00 AM
Goingover most of your points i'm a:

ACE-DWEEB-EXPERTEN-ALT-DWEEB  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

oh and btw .. i see a pretty strong Luftwobble conspiracy rising it's ugly head in the last few points heheh

DW6
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: SOB on September 17, 2000, 04:01:00 AM
1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.
Dweeb: Cut throttle and vulch the pilot.
Ace: Wait until he's got a little more alt, and speed, before diving in. Salute him if I get the kill or he kills me.
Experten: Set-up a wide orbit and wait for him to be in position for a perfect bounce from above and out of the sun. Salute him if he kills me.


Dweeb.

2): Enemy bomber is above your field. You've got less altitude than he does, but more speed. Several other pilots are present over the area, one in a position for a diving attack.
Dweeb: Try a dead-6 attack and cuss out the BUFF pilot for killing me. Then come to the BB and whine about BUFF guns being overmodeled.
Ace: Pull off to one side and accelerate past the BUFF. Contact other friendly pilots for help killing the BUFF. Man above dives in just before I turn around for a head-on attack. Salute both the BUFF driver and the pilot who helped me out, regardless of the outcome.
Experten: Do the same thing the Ace does, only I tell the friendly pilot to dive on my call. He agrees and as I turn around to come head-on I call and he dives in. The BUFF dies and I salute the friendly pilot for the help.


Dweeb...do best to get alt on bomber, attack from angle...die anyhow.  Smile, and think that someday I should learn how to successfully attack a buff with a Niki.  Someday never comes, but I continue to attack buffs and die anyhow.

3): Vulching pilots are roaming over your field. It's been capped completely, with little hope of getting up and not being killed.
Dweeb: Try to takeoff 15 times, dying every time. Then I cuss out everyone for not helping, for vulching, and my own inability to think.
Ace: Switch to another field close-by and try to gain a little alt before engaging. Maybe call for help if there's too many enemy planes.
Experten: Call other pilots to join up at a field farther away from the one under attack. We get a plan together for a 3-way strike to break them up. Alt and speed advantage is on our side.


Dweeb, minus the squeaking.  Launch and point the nose at anything within range to kill and/or disable it, by whatever means necessary including repeated HO's.  Die.  Repeat until:
A. Enemy is repelled
B. So many NME aircraft that taking off is impossible
C. Fighter hangars are down.
Option C can be superceeded if I get a wild hair up my prettythang and decide to up in a bomber.


Favorite tactics:
Dweeb: Vulching mostly, and spraying everything around me when I can't get a good shot.
Ace: Up and Under attacks, bounce, a few aerobatic maneuvers when I've got the speed. Plan things out if I've got time and a wingman.
Experten: Strictly bounce, Up and Under, and wingman strikes all at high speeds. Plans are done enroute to the battle with my wingman / wingmen. I prefer to think before I act, in order to have an advantage over the enemy.


Dweeb.  Find a fight, kill everything I see - love the turnfight.  Planes, chutes, sheep, anything that moves.  Possibly extend if diving into a large group of enemies, trying to pick off one.


Bad habbits:
Dweeb: I lose my temper every time I get shot down. People vulch me or insult me becaue I vulch, which gets me even more angry. They're the dweebs not me!
Ace: I sometimes lose my SA at bad moments. I get a little frustrated when some moron decides to not help others too. But at least I don't raise Merry Hell over the radio about it.
Experten: I have on occasion not given an enemy pilot enough time to prepare. This is my fault and I realize it. Comments about others I keep to myself, unless they're funny.


Dweeb? Ace?  People rarely insult me when I vulch, but are sometimes less than happy when I use their chutes for target practice. Now if only HT would make it so the sheep would explode when you shoot them!

Thoughts on Vulching:
Dweeb: Great way to rack up a kill streak! Plus I don't have to worry about being shot at by him.
Ace: Vulching? As long as it doesn't happen to me I really don't care.
Experten: That is not a tactic, it's a simpleton's cheap kill! Only people that can't think and fly at the same time do it. People who vulch should have their scores docked to reflect it.


Dweeb...Planes taking off, landing, or ditching are targets just like anything else that can be shot.

Thoughts on score:
Dweeb: Scores mean absolutely jack squat.
Alt-Dweeb: I want the biggest kill streak ever!
Ace: I check my score at least once a week to see what's going on. I can find out where I need to improve, and what I'm doing right.
Experten: Scores mean two things: One; how you are performing against the other pilots. Two; a record of your ability to think and act in combat. I don't believe your score is your only way to show off. That's where tactics come in.


Dweeb.

Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.


Dweeb...Niki.  Will turn fight with any spit, and co-E zekes.

Thoughts on guns:
Dweeb: Hispano and .50 cals rock!
Ace: Unlike the Dweeb, I can fire a burst and actually hit something. .50 cals are nice, so are the MG 151s for close-in work. I'll use a Tiffe on occasion for jabo stuff, since those Hispanos can do a number on anything.
Experten: Any weapon is fine with me. Accuracy, not firepower, is what will bring kills. You can kill with MG 17s just as you can kill with Mk-108s. The only difference is the time it takes to inflict major damage. If you can be patient you'll be able to kill using any weapon.


Fighting...Niki.  Jabo...Niki.  Tanks...Niki w/bombs.


There you have it; my thoughts on this whole mess. Feel free to add your own in. Who knows, maybe this will end up on some site as a humor list!

Dammit...I didn't have any problem with this, until I found out that I was just a big dweeb! Thanks a lot flakbait!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)


SOB
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: wolf37 on September 17, 2000, 04:15:00 AM
hi:

flakbait, you have to much time with nothing to do.    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)



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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: funked on September 17, 2000, 04:18:00 AM
I'm in an RAF squad and I fly RAF planes mostly.  They all have Hispano cannon.  If you think I'm a dweeb you can kiss my grits.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

I don't think bouncing people from high altitude is a sign of skill.  It's a sign of cowardice.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Scores?  LOL!!!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: flakbait on September 17, 2000, 04:42:00 AM
Bloom25,

Why didn't I think of that? Hmm..... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Wolf37,

Yep, I sat here and wrote it all out on the fly. No kidding!

 
Quote
Oringinally posted by SOB:
...Now if only HT would make it so the sheep would explode when you shoot them!
ROFLMAO!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)


Funked,

Nice to know someone here still has a sense of humor!

Flakbait
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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: stegor on September 17, 2000, 04:43:00 AM
I am trying to roll from airstrip, when someone arrives and kills me.....  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
IMHO I am the dweeb; great mistake rolling without scanning the sky in search of possible enemy (lack of SA).
More I think judgeing someone by the aircraft hes flying is somewhat haughty  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)


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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Hangtime on September 17, 2000, 10:52:00 AM
Dweeb: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to live.

Ace: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to get kills.

Experten: LW pilots that do both.

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Hang

Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Jigster on September 17, 2000, 04:54:00 PM
That's right, keep trying to knock me out of the king dweeb position with yer phony classification system.

I'm here to stay. All hail the dweeb of dweebs!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

- Jig
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Swager on September 17, 2000, 05:26:00 PM
Great post!!!!  I have always wanted to know where I stood amongst other pilots in AH!!

Now I finally realize I am the ultimate dweeb!!

Thanks Flak!!!  U Da Man!!!

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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Jigster on September 17, 2000, 05:52:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by Swager:
Great post!!!!  I have always wanted to know where I stood amongst other pilots in AH!!

Now I finally realize I am the ultimate dweeb!!

Thanks Flak!!!  U Da Man!!!

  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

This is my terf, bub. There is only one ultimate dweeb, and dats me, see?

- Jig

Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Mathman on September 17, 2000, 07:23:00 PM
So basically, what your saying, is that there are NO experten in this sim?

If that is so, then I completely agree.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Just wanted to add that I think that most everyone fits neatly into a mix of all three.

-math

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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: flakbait on September 18, 2000, 12:08:00 AM
Swager,

Glad you enjoyed it, but it looks like you'll have to fight Jigster for that position.


Uhh, Jig? Why don't you do something REALLY[/b] amazing; re-arrange your sock drawer. Guys in the locker room are complaining about the smell.


Mathman,

Damn, you guessed!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I agree, most people here are a mix of all three. But I've yet to run into a real-live Experten since Ypsilon in the BETA days.


Hangtime. You and your Luftwaffe conspiracy.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Hangtime on September 18, 2000, 12:34:00 AM
There is no Luftwaffe. Therefore; there is no Luftwaffe conspiracy.

However.. we are receiving wild unsubstantiated reports of armed organised activity supposedly perpetrated by "German" aircraft.

We will investigate these unfounded rumors and kill anybody remotely responsible when we find them.

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Hang


Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: StSanta on September 18, 2000, 01:08:00 AM
Jah!

Herr Hangtime ist right! Et ist not gut venn rumors aar spret like zis!

Vee are merely observers!

Herr General StSanta, Luft..Luft...Luft Watcherers.

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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Swager on September 18, 2000, 06:58:00 AM
Well then Jigster, apparently we are on the same turf, and this sim is not big enough for two dweebs of our magnitude.

If I have to, I'll challenge you to a duel to see who can pull off the most dweebish actions in one flight!!

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Flak,  maybe you can monitor our duel and determine the winner (or is it whinner)!!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Fariz on September 18, 2000, 11:15:00 AM
Thanks, nice test to check myself. Ok, now lets try this one... item 1, dweeb, item 2, dweeb, item 3... hmmm, dweeb again, and... dweeb... dweeb... dweeb.

Can someone borrow me a gun?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Fariz
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Ripsnort on September 18, 2000, 11:25:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Fariz:

Can someone borrow me a gun?   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Fariz

Absolutly, which caliber would you like?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Karnak on September 18, 2000, 01:18:00 PM
1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.
Dweeb: Cut throttle and vulch the pilot.
Ace: Wait until he's got a little more alt, and speed, before diving in. Salute him if I get the kill or he kills me.
Experten: Set-up a wide orbit and wait for him to be in position for a perfect bounce from above and out of the sun. Salute him if he kills me.


Ace.  Done it exactly as described.


2): Enemy bomber is above your field. You've got less altitude than he does, but more speed. Several other pilots are present over the area, one in a position for a diving attack.
Dweeb: Try a dead-6 attack and cuss out the BUFF pilot for killing me. Then come to the BB and whine about BUFF guns being overmodeled.
Ace: Pull off to one side and accelerate past the BUFF. Contact other friendly pilots for help killing the BUFF. Man above dives in just before I turn around for a head-on attack. Salute both the BUFF driver and the pilot who helped me out, regardless of the outcome.
Experten: Do the same thing the Ace does, only I tell the friendly pilot to dive on my call. He agrees and as I turn around to come head-on I call and he dives in. The BUFF dies and I salute the friendly pilot for the help.


I do sometimes try a 6 attack on a bomber (When I'm in a Zero) but I never cuss at him or whine about bomber guns on the BB.  Between Dweeb and Ace I guess.


3): Vulching pilots are roaming over your field. It's been capped completely, with little hope of getting up and not being killed.
Dweeb: Try to takeoff 15 times, dying every time. Then I cuss out everyone for not helping, for vulching, and my own inability to think.
Ace: Switch to another field close-by and try to gain a little alt before engaging. Maybe call for help if there's too many enemy planes.
Experten: Call other pilots to join up at a field farther away from the one under attack. We get a plan together for a 3-way strike to break them up. Alt and speed advantage is on our side.


Ace.  Done exactly that once again.


Now for some opinions:

Favorite tactics:
Dweeb: Vulching mostly, and spraying everything around me when I can't get a good shot.
Ace: Up and Under attacks, bounce, a few aerobatic maneuvers when I've got the speed. Plan things out if I've got time and a wingman.
Experten: Strictly bounce, Up and Under, and wingman strikes all at high speeds. Plans are done enroute to the battle with my wingman / wingmen. I prefer to think before I act, in order to have an advantage over the enemy.


Ace, mostly.


Bad habbits:
Dweeb: I lose my temper every time I get shot down. People vulch me or insult me becaue I vulch, which gets me even more angry. They're the dweebs not me!
Ace: I sometimes lose my SA at bad moments. I get a little frustrated when some moron decides to not help others too. But at least I don't raise Merry Hell over the radio about it.
Experten: I have on occasion not given an enemy pilot enough time to prepare. This is my fault and I realize it. Comments about others I keep to myself, unless they're funny.


Ace, except I don't think others are morons.


Thoughts on Vulching:
Dweeb: Great way to rack up a kill streak! Plus I don't have to worry about being shot at by him.
Ace: Vulching? As long as it doesn't happen to me I really don't care.
Experten: That is not a tactic, it's a simpleton's cheap kill! Only people that can't think and fly at the same time do it. People who vulch should have their scores docked to reflect it.


Ace, its too easy to avoid simply by taking off from a field thats not capped.


Thoughts on score:
Dweeb: Scores mean absolutely jack squat.
Alt-Dweeb: I want the biggest kill streak ever!
Ace: I check my score at least once a week to see what's going on. I can find out where I need to improve, and what I'm doing right.
Experten: Scores mean two things: One; how you are performing against the other pilots. Two; a record of your ability to think and act in combat. I don't believe your score is your only way to show off. That's where tactics come in.


Ace, because the way scores are tallied here is really just a reflection on how much time somebody plays.


Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.


I don't know.  I like the Spitfire and the Zero, but I don't vulch.  I also grab a 109G-10 for its climb and speed, P-47s for their base killing ability and Tiffies for their groud attack capabilities.  Ace I guess.


Thoughts on guns:
Dweeb: Hispano and .50 cals rock!
Ace: Unlike the Dweeb, I can fire a burst and actually hit something. .50 cals are nice, so are the MG 151s for close-in work. I'll use a Tiffe on occasion for jabo stuff, since those Hispanos can do a number on anything.
Experten: Any weapon is fine with me. Accuracy, not firepower, is what will bring kills. You can kill with MG 17s just as you can kill with Mk-108s. The only difference is the time it takes to inflict major damage. If you can be patient you'll be able to kill using any weapon.


Dweeb kinda.  Don't like the term "rock".  I do use other aircraft and haven't found the Type 99 M2 or the Mg151/20 to be unusable.  I'm not very accurate, but I am trying to get better.


I don't think I can be considered an Ace.  I'm not a Dweeb and certainly not an Experten.  I don't think that people can be catergorized this easily and I don't like the pro-Luftwaffe bent these things usually seem to take.  This one at least acknowleged that Experten can fly non-German aircraft.  Its about time that one of them did.

Sisu
-Karnak
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Cobra on September 18, 2000, 03:06:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by Swager:
Well then Jigster, apparently we are on the same turf, and this sim is not big enough for two dweebs of our magnitude.

If I have to, I'll challenge you to a duel to see who can pull off the most dweebish actions in one flight!!

   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Flak,  maybe you can monitor our duel and determine the winner (or is it whinner)!!    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 09-18-2000).]


Hmmm....well I do know that Swager looks swell in a plastic pink dress w/heels and matching Tiara when he is flying the Spitdweeb-mobile.

Does that count?

Cobra
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Ripsnort on September 18, 2000, 03:13:00 PM
Cobra, it wasn't pink, it was blue, see below:

 (http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/trans_barbie.jpg)

 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Rojo on September 18, 2000, 03:20:00 PM
Vultching isn't dweebish.  We are all teachers in life, and hitting some neophite as they take off from a CAP'd field is an important lesson, that must be pushed home time and time again...some of us are slow learners after all  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).  Attacking buffs from dead-6 position?  Sure, at least when they're on their bomb run.  And do I take off from a field being vultched? Sure, if you know the goon is lurking nearby and you are your countries last hope.  No sacrifice is to great for the homeland/fatherland/mothercountry.  Favorite tactic? Hmmmm...anything that works for the situation of the moment.  No one said war was fair  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).  Bad habbits? Taking this game too seriously. Score? That and a dollar won't even get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.  Favorite aircraft? I live, die and kill in all of um (but like the Jug best).  Thoughts on guns? <get's dreamy, slightly unsettling look on face> MMMMMMmmmmmmm...guns  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).  Flakbait?  Way too much time on his hands.

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Sabre, a.k.a. Rojo
(S-2, The Buccaneers)

[This message has been edited by Rojo (edited 09-18-2000).]
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: sourkraut on September 20, 2000, 11:37:00 AM
Rip -

That picture is a spitting image of swager!
Is this the one he sent to you for the JG2 website?

Sour
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: flakbait on November 22, 2001, 11:22:00 PM
Ahh the good old days....


PUNT!

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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think my maker wants to hear from me right now. I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond

 (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/sig/delta6.jpg)
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Blue Mako on November 22, 2001, 11:35:00 PM
Hehehe I like it!  Good to see that the Luftwobbles have always considered themselves the only experten...  ;)
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Otter on November 23, 2001, 12:09:00 AM
Dweeb: Anyone who flies computer simulations

Ultra Dweeb: One who defines dweebism

Uber Dweeb:A dweeb who whines about non-Axis dweebs

Alt dweeb: Anyone higher than me

Bi dweeb:Complains about Axis and Allied planes

Celine Dweebon: You know who you are
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Apar on November 23, 2001, 02:34:00 AM
Flakbait, S!, nice one.

 
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Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.

On the "only boom and zoom in 190's", nah, you can do plenty of dogfighting in those planes, just got to pick the right adversary and the right moment. Maybe it is not the "experten" way but only B&Z is no fun for me.

HANGTIME:
 
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Dweeb: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to live.
Ace: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to get kills.

Experten: LW pilots that do both.


LOL,    :D

[ 11-23-2001: Message edited by: Apar ]
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Wardog on November 23, 2001, 11:43:00 AM
Im a Dweeb.. I dont use Tiffy for JABO. With 25% fuel & DTs Tiffy is very productive at 10k and under. I find it a challenge to furball low in her. I dont whine, i do <S>..

Im just a different kinda dweeb.

Dog out.....
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Frost on November 23, 2001, 11:47:00 AM
1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.

Dweeb: Dives into the ack attempting to vulch.
Ace: As the plane tries to gain alt staying within the field ack the Ace will make slashing attacks as the plane nears the limits of the 37mm.
Experten: Knowing that to enter a fight without the advantage is stupid he will wait until the plane is above the range of the 37mm and BnZ the plane to death.
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: lazs1 on November 23, 2001, 11:49:00 AM
A dweeb is someone who uses the term "experten".

to even get this anal about what you are doing or to justify what you are doing is dweeby.

To bounce someone who doesn't see you is dweeby but a little bit of it is fun enough.   Every type of simulated combat is fun in moderation..  some more than others.
lazs
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: ra on November 23, 2001, 12:01:00 PM
As far as 1) goes, there's nothing wrong with vulching, it's one thing dweebs, aces, and experten have in common.  Vulching is an easy kill, which is always good, and it may alert the victim that it's time to take off from another field.  Letting the victim gain altitude for some idea of sportsmanship is an unrealistic portrayal of the air combat we are trying to simulate.  It also puts your teammates at risk, as the enemy may get a chance to kill someone he otherwise wouldn't have.  

IMHO, the best kills of all are bounces were the enemy never even sees you.  The more time, energy, or ammo a kill requires, the less smooth the kill was.  The vulch is nearly the perfect kill.

ra
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: LePaul on November 23, 2001, 12:10:00 PM
I liked the Bomber Section, as I see that a lot.  Someone sits on my 6, steadily climbs within range of my guns. gets hammered, then rants on the BBS that buffs are too tough, etc etc.

The Main is very frustrating at times.  Especially if one country is really having their bellybutton handed to them.  Cooperation seems to fade, and any idea of taking back lost bases fades away as more players up into furballs over and over again.

I still see a lot of guys ask for bombers and goons, yet not cover or assist them in any manner, accept to ask for another if one fails to reach the requested target.  I'm forever in awe at guys who won't engage a con trailing a goon/buff yet babble incessantly if they aren't given a CheckSix and creamed.  We know who they are and they are just part of the game.

The only other dweebish thing I hate is folks running from a good fight.  1 vs 1.  Pony drivers are notorious for it <jest!>, yet claim Ace-like stature for running home, hiding behind friendly ack or yelling all over Channel1 (by accident) to get this con off his 6.  Heck I usually die in these 1v1 engagements since I fly buff too much to know how to fly the fighters really well.  But its just disappointed to see a good joust vaporize because the weenie had to call in 5 friendlies to help him get out of a jam.  Be a man, its a game, take the fight!  Running home to mama don't make you brave...sure you'll live to fight another day but don't you think your pals will grow weary of your running home whenever a red dot appears?
Title: Of Dweebs, Aces, and Experten
Post by: Kweassa on November 24, 2001, 04:28:00 PM
I fly like an Experten.

 I score like a Dweeb.

 ....

 ah, the temptations of dweebery  :D