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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Erlkonig on July 28, 2003, 02:58:46 PM
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Elk,
Already been done on this BBS, and where the hell were you for that thread.....folks were wondering!!
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I just hate to disappoint.
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bush was only using his first amendment right to "self expression", but if you don't like it , why don't you take your french made Bic lighter and burn some american flags in protest.
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a Zippo works too.
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Originally posted by straffo
a Zippo works too.
yeah Bic lighters suck...Zippos are better or Duponts if you're a snotty rich arsonist...
if you have to burn a flag, at least do it right dammit:D
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I dont see anything wrong with it.
You have a "defaced" flag in your avatar.
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No, I don't.
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IRS just sent me a notice that I will be getting a check because of something Bush signed. If it was a flag he signed, so be it. And if he thinks he can buy my vote.............he is absolutely correct!
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republican logic distilled to its essence.
deny
lie
justify.
all in one thread.
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I think Bush is just signing an autograph.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
republican logic distilled to its essence.
deny
lie
justify.
all in one thread.
The Democratic logic....lie, lie, obfsucate
"I did not have realtions with that woman..."
"I accept my responsibility for my actions in this..."
"Define 'Is' "
BTW...anyone burn the flag in front of me and I'll kick your *ss. Serve in the military, go to a foreign country, get shot at, and then maybe I'll think twice before I kick your *ass for burning the flag.
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Drunky,
Could you provide a list of which people in the US have the rights guarenteed in our constitution that many fellow citizens have died protecting?
Just for clarification, is it only veterans?
Thanks!
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Chairboy, drunky was expressing a personal opinion, if you burn the flag and he kicks your prettythang , you could call the police.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Drunky,
Could you provide a list of which people in the US have the rights guarenteed in our constitution that many fellow citizens have died protecting?
Just for clarification, is it only veterans?
Thanks!
He never said you, or anyone else, does not have the right to burn the flag.
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Originally posted by Drunky
BTW...anyone burn the flag in front of me and I'll kick your *ss. Serve in the military, go to a foreign country, get shot at, and then maybe I'll think twice before I kick your *ass for burning the flag.
Note... Scribbling on the flag is okay... burning it is not. :rolleyes:
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you know i thought about posting something about this. Then i realized that whineing about something like this is even way over the top for a crazy liberal like myself.
especially when their is far worse going on in the news.
elk you gotta be a little more moderate.
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Scribbling on the flag is OK, so is burning it. If ya don't like it, don't do it.
SOB
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I think John and Lazerus answered ChairBoy's question so I will address Sandmans next.
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Note... Scribbling on the flag is okay... burning it is not. :rolleyes:
I consider the intent[/b] when it comes to MY flag. You burn it around me, I kick your arse. You are defiling (in my eyes) what is symbolic of me and my country.
I consider MY President signing MY flag as patriotic and a treasure.
Perhaps you liberal, socialists bastards don't understand such concepts as honor or service or country (Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living."), so be it.
You have the right, under the protection that I have given with the possibilty of my life to procect, to burn MY country's flag. That doesn't mean that I don't like it when you desecrate what it signifies and you better damn well better expect my response in the form of physical violence should you do it in my vicinity.
You have your form of expression and I will have mine in relation. I served my country and I take extreme pride in it. If all you can do is criticize without service or benifit then perhaps you should leave this Democracy and search out another place where you feel more "at home."
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i like to burn the flag to protest people whineing about people buring the flag while protesting.
hey drunky they are all made in china, maybe you should learn that america is an ideal that should be protected and not a piece of cloth. Your anger is misdirected. Maybe you should get angry at the people that try to make more and more laws that restrict peoples freedoms.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I think John and Lazerus answered ChairBoy's question so I will address Sandmans next.
I consider the intent when it comes to MY flag. You burn it around me, I kick your arse. You are defiling (in my eyes) what is symbolic of me and my country.
I consider MY President signing MY flag as patriotic and a treasure.
Perhaps you liberal, socialists bastards don't understand such concepts as honor or service or country (Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living."), so be it.
You have the right, under the protection that I have given with the possibilty of my life to procect, to burn MY country's flag. That doesn't mean that I don't like it when you desecrate what it signifies and you better damn well better expect my response in the form of physical violence should you do it in my vicinity.
You have your form of expression and I will have mine in relation. I served my country and I take extreme pride in it. If all you can do is criticize without service or benifit then perhaps you should leave this Democracy and search out another place where you feel more "at home." [/B]
!!!!!!!! Ditto.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
i like to burn the flag to protest people whineing about people buring the flag while protesting.
This is what separates the Libs from the rest of us with a thread of common sense. Jeez...
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
i like to burn the flag to protest people whineing about people buring the flag while protesting.
hey drunky they are all made in china, maybe you should learn that america is an ideal that should be protected and not a piece of cloth. Your anger is misdirected. Maybe you should get angry at the people that try to make more and more laws that restrict peoples freedoms.
This is exactly what I am talking about...
It would seem that the CONCEPT[/I] of patriotism is lost.
I don't worship the flag. I don't worship the president. I don't worship the 'ol U.S. of A.
What I do is believe, and uphold, and have faith in, and defend the concepts that the Flag, the President, and my Country represent.
I think that many have lost these ideas and beliefs and some are either too stupid or bitter to either understand or follow.
I don't look down upon your right to burn the flag. Its a right that I served to protect. Just don't expect my to sympathise or understand your liberal, unsupportive perspectives.
Just be aware that when you express your viewpoints that my *viewpoints* just might be headed towards your head if I am within arms range.
Doesn't make you right and doesn't make me wrong. Just means that I am willing to actively defend what I feel is right instead of derisively hiding behing rhetoric in a world of liberal ideas.
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Yeah Frogman, I guess I am being whiny and shrill in expecting the POTUS, of all people, to have any sense of propriety and taste when it comes to respect of the American Flag.
Maybe I ought to join the masses and lower my expectations.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Perhaps you liberal, socialists bastards don't understand such concepts as honor or service or country (Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living."), so be it.
This liberal bastard served ten years thankyouverymuch.
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perhaps you should leave this Democracy
dont you mean republic now?,,lol we havent been a democracy sence they started burning are constitutional rights
right to bare arms,,was not intended for us to protect are selfs from invaders,,,,it was put in place to defend us from are own goverment,,,because even back then,,they new power does some weird things to people,,and they wanted us to be able to protect are famlies from are own goverment,,but now that we are a replublic,,lol things have changed,,.no longer a democracy
i can understand loving your country,,,i know i do,,,but there are alot more things to be mad about than some one burning a flag<~~makes me not happy thats for sure,,and i think its a stupid cheap way to make a statment
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personal threats get you nowhere with me drunky. If you want my hot body your gonna have to wine and dine me first.
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Drunky,
What if a Vet burned a flag in front of you then proceeded to kick your ass? What then?
When I was in the service, I don't remember all those serving with me being conservatives. Did I miss something?
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Its a flag, not baby jesus. Hurts no one or no thing by writing on it.
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Originally posted by Spooky
yeah Bic lighters suck...Zippos are better or Duponts if you're a snotty rich arsonist...
if you have to burn a flag, at least do it right dammit:D
Vi avec un Dupont ça aurais quand même + de classe :)
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Originally posted by Drunky
.....You have the right, under the protection that I have given with the possibilty of my life to procect.....
So you have actually enlisted to protect the rights of US citizens? The US have a "professional" army, where people get payed to the their job. Save the bs.
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Originally posted by Drunky
What I do is believe, and uphold, and have faith in, and defend the concepts that the Flag, the President, and my Country represent.
I think you just inadvertently supported flag burning.
And if you practiced what you preached, you would not be threatening physical violence on those who do not agree with you.
I've never seen anyone burn a flag. Just what I see on TV, which is usually thousands of miles away.
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Its a flag, not baby jesus. Hurts no one or no thing by writing on it. - DavidPT40
So Dave, you're saying that it would be a problem if Bush signed baby Jesus?
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Originally posted by Gunthr
So Dave, you're saying that it would be a problem if Bush signed baby Jesus?
No problem at all, he would be struck by lightning before he got close.:D
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Originally posted by Furious
Drunky,
What if a Vet burned a flag in front of you then proceeded to kick your ass? What then?
When I was in the service, I don't remember all those serving with me being conservatives. Did I miss something?
All of you are missing Drunky's point. Its not the mere fact of burning the flag (which is a government endorsed way of discarding old and or worn out flags) but the act of burning the flag as a sign of "protest". If you want to protest against actions of this country or its government then go to the polls and vote, contact other people to your point of views (although I do not endorse shoving any view down another person's throat) and generally make yourself productive. There is no need to burn the flag in "protest" other than to show that your are having a "knee-jerk" reaction to something that you disagree with. This whole "my schlong is bigger than your schlong" rhetoric is both childish and pointless. If you are going to make a point, use facts and observations and not emotional outbursts. Thank you and have a nice day. :D
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I wouldn't worry about Drunky. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't hurt anyone. He just had a wild night after his wife finally let him have more than 2 beers. :D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
All of you are missing Drunky's point. Its not the mere fact of burning the flag (which is a government endorsed way of discarding old and or worn out flags) but the act of burning the flag as a sign of "protest"...
... an act that is allowable because of the First Amendment.
Do you not support the Bill of Rights?
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1. I'll never burn a flag.
2. I love my country.
3. I strongly believe in our constitution and the rights it gives us.
Because of points 1, 2 and 3, I support the rights of jerks to burn the US flag. Anyone who talks about making flag burning illegal is out of touch with WHY our country is special.
'Freedom of speech' isn't limited to popular expression.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
... an act that is allowable because of the First Amendment.
Do you not support the Bill of Rights?
Ok, I will try again. Yes I support the BoR, what I am saying is there are other ways to show your disapproval other than by doing something that is so repugnant to others. Burn all the flags you want, all I am saying is that it's a dumb way to protest. Is that clear enough?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
1. I'll never burn a flag.
2. I love my country.
3. I strongly believe in our constitution and the rights it gives us.
Because of points 1, 2 and 3, I support the rights of jerks to burn the US flag. Anyone who talks about making flag burning illegal is out of touch with WHY our country is special.
'Freedom of speech' isn't limited to popular expression.
Yup, Chair got it...how come you others don't seem to???
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Well, so far Bush hasn't faked tears on the beach of Normandy, he hasn't laughed and joked at an admininstrators funeral, and he's not knocking up 19 year olds in the Oval coffee room, he hasn't turned over our most secret nuclear secrets to China, and he's actively pursueing Terrorists instead of pretending they're not around...so, I think we can forgive him for signing a little flag, no?
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
...This whole "my schlong is bigger than your schlong" rhetoric is both childish and pointless. If you are going to make a point, use facts and observations and not emotional outbursts. Thank you and have a nice day...
You do understand how assinine it is to defend Drunky's post and then type the above statemnent, don't you?
Drunky's point was that if you exercised your freedom of speech he would in return commit a crime. Kinda dumb.
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Rip, don't waste anymore time on these idiots. They obviously don't get it, won't get, and choose not to get it. I voted for Clinton in '92. I will never try to hide that fact. But in '96 I voted for Dole after having seen the errors of my way. No matter what you say, no matter how many facts are put on the table, lib's will never understand what the conservatives try to advocate. After spending so many years as a lib, I look back now and realise what a genius my father was all those years. Not ONCE did he ever try to disuade me of my politics. I found out on my own. Never ever will I make that mistake again. Diversity my ass, let's just all be Americans and to hell with all of these damn PC labels everyone is so hot after.
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Originally posted by Furious
You do understand how assinine it is to defend Drunky's post and then type the above statemnent, don't you?
Drunky's point was that if you exercised your freedom of speech he would in return commit a crime. Kinda dumb.
No, that would have been is EMOTIONAL reaction to a situation. How assinine is it that you again missed a very simple and easy to understand point????
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You mean the point about not liking this particular form of expression and then the threat of violence?
... or was it something else?
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lol Sandman... you just don't get it... you just DON'T GET IT!!!!!
:D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Rip, don't waste anymore time on these idiots. They obviously don't get it, won't get, and choose not to get it. I voted for Clinton in '92. I will never try to hide that fact. But in '96 I voted for Dole after having seen the errors of my way. No matter what you say, no matter how many facts are put on the table, lib's will never understand what the conservatives try to advocate. After spending so many years as a lib, I look back now and realise what a genius my father was all those years. Not ONCE did he ever try to disuade me of my politics. I found out on my own. Never ever will I make that mistake again. Diversity my ass, let's just all be Americans and to hell with all of these damn PC labels everyone is so hot after.
You continually contradict yourself. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
ramble on.
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I find it funny that the people that rail about political correctness also hate Bill Maher.
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Originally posted by Furious
You continually contradict yourself. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
ramble on.
You hate it when you look at your reflection inside that post, don't you?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well, so far Bush hasn't faked tears on the beach of Normandy, he hasn't laughed and joked at an admininstrators funeral, and he's not knocking up 19 year olds in the Oval coffee room, he hasn't turned over our most secret nuclear secrets to China,
Or hiring people like this http://www.hereinreality.com/bigbrother.html running the pentagon and coming up with ideas like this http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93145,00.html
Kinda makes Clinton look like a saint
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Originally posted by Furious
You continually contradict yourself. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
ramble on.
Ok, thank you I will. Now for you people like Furious who can't understand I will type very, very slow. I was not defending Drunky's violent answer to a situation he disagrees with, I thought that was apparent but it wasn't to those of a lesser IQ.
Now, what I am defending is the burning of the US flag, something that I disagree with but don't have a hissy when someone does. Drunky's emotional reaction I can understand but I do not endorse it either. Where you see a contradiction is where YOU see a contradiction. So to some it up:
Drunky: Burn the flag and I'll hit you.
DiabloTX: Go ahead and burn the flag, its your choice, but next time find something more productive than that.
This is my final post on this thread. And yes Sixpence, I agree that those are 2 very unsavory things that Bush has tendered and I will fight them both tooth and nail, but I won't burn the flag in protest.
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Of all the things he has, is -or will ever do wrong, signing that little toy flag will be rated as one of his greatest failures.
Press on elkronig, your doing movalus dalling
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You hate it when you look at your reflection inside that post, don't you?
Any time you attempt to get a dig in on me, brightens my day. Please do it more and know that I laugh at you each and every time.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Of all the things he has, is -or will ever do wrong, signing that little toy flag will be rated as one of his greatest failures.
Press on elkronig, your doing movalus dalling
What's this the invasion of the body snatchers?
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dont worry yeager history wont even remember the little flag signing.
why is poindexter in charge of anything btw?