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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on July 29, 2003, 12:15:53 PM
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I have been kinda neutral on this one for a while, but I decided that this recall is just plane STUPID.
The only thing wrong with California (OK one of the main things) is the economy. Is this Gray Davis' fault?
I don't think so. I believe a recall based on political grounds or unpopularity is a dangerous move. Seems like the reps want a do-over, kinda like the dems did in Florida a while back. Only this time it's gonna happen.
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Blame Bush (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030714&s=scheer20030701)
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If it was only the Republicans who wanted him out there would be no recall. He is so unpopular across the state he's brought this on himself.
The economy is not California's only problem. The California government's huge deficit was caused by gross over spending which was presided over by Davis.
Whoever takes over, Rep or Dem, will have a very unpleasant job ahead.
ra
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Of cource the economy is the fault of the gvt and the dems.
Look at it...California has the highest minimum wage, utility rates, worker's compensation premiums, overtime restrictions, air quality requirements, and sales tax in the US.
In the public sector, every government agency is facing big job cuts because of the budget mess. Meanwhile, in the private sector, jobs are being lost left and right. And there is nothing strange with that, because given a choise, why would any sane company want to open a business in a state with such a punishing environment for private workers? Where would any corporate CEO look first when seeking to close plants due to high costs?
You have to create the wealth first before you bicker about sharing it. The Democrats frequently forget this inconvenient little detail.
The Democrats control 60% of the California Assembly and 60% of the Senate. They also hold all eight state elected offices. They've dominated the legislature forever, and have held the Governer's mansion for 5 years. In that time they have so botched the economy that sales tax revenue in San Francisco has fallen 50% in two years.
I'll repeat. California has the highest level of sales tax, the highest minimum wage, the most restrictive overtime rules, the highest electric rates, the largest budget deficit, the worst bond rating, and the highest worker's compensation premiums in the US. At some companies, worker's comp exceeds payroll as an expense. Talk about encouraging layoffs and discouraging employment.
If you're a business owner, what part of this is good news? How would this encourage you to expand your business? And without business expansion, how are tax revenues generated? How is unemployment brought down?
(California is a bit like Sweden in the way they are committing economical suicide)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Blame Bush (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030714&s=scheer20030701)
LOL
and if Goron woulda won in 2000, everything in CA would be A-OK today?
blame bush, yep typical lib cry - blame anybody but me - pls
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Originally posted by Eagler
LOL
and if Goron woulda won in 2000, everything in CA would be A-OK today?
blame bush, yep typical lib cry - blame anybody but me - pls
Is that your best argument? An alternate reality?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I have been kinda neutral on this one for a while, but I decided that this recall is just plane STUPID.
The only thing wrong with California (OK one of the main things) is the economy. Is this Gray Davis' fault?
I don't think so. I believe a recall based on political grounds or unpopularity is a dangerous move. Seems like the reps want a do-over, kinda like the dems did in Florida a while back. Only this time it's gonna happen.
My only question is why anyone would want the job right now.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Is that your best argument? An alternate reality?
well we are talkin CA, its about as "alternate" a reality as one can get :)
you tell bush to take the blame for everything wrong with the country as he is in charge, least you can do is ask the same of ur gov who is suppose to be in charge of/responsible for his state
funny to see if they stick a Republican in his place
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Originally posted by Krusher
My only question is why anyone would want the job right now.
Well, whoever gets the job, if they pull CA out of its tailspin, they'll have a good shot at making President some day (And, it'll probably take a Repub to pull em out)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Blame Bush (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030714&s=scheer20030701)
Man you guys are too much.:)
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Originally posted by Rude
Man you guys are too much.:)
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California is about pointing the finger at someone else and not taking personal responsibility for the soup they helped boil. "Center of the Universe" syndrome so predominent in the Californian arrogance.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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"Center of the Universe" syndrome so predominent in the Californian arrogance.
Not as keenly developed as Texas, I think. :D
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Here...take a listen from a Cali resident:)
http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/timages/page/media/tom%20Mcerney%20Dem%20for%20recall.mp3
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Not as keenly developed as Texas, I think. :D
Where do you think they learned it? In Montana, you don't want to drive at night with either CA or Texas plates on your car, unless you're going REAL fast.
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Thats because Texas realy is the center,therefore our view is perfectly valid :)
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Of cource the economy is the fault of the gvt and the dems.
Look at it...California has the highest minimum wage, utility rates, worker's compensation premiums, overtime restrictions, air quality requirements, and sales tax in the US.
In the public sector, every government agency is facing big job cuts because of the budget mess. Meanwhile, in the private sector, jobs are being lost left and right. And there is nothing strange with that, because given a choise, why would any sane company want to open a business in a state with such a punishing environment for private workers? Where would any corporate CEO look first when seeking to close plants due to high costs?
You have to create the wealth first before you bicker about sharing it. The Democrats frequently forget this inconvenient little detail.
The Democrats control 60% of the California Assembly and 60% of the Senate. They also hold all eight state elected offices. They've dominated the legislature forever, and have held the Governer's mansion for 5 years. In that time they have so botched the economy that sales tax revenue in San Francisco has fallen 50% in two years.
I'll repeat. California has the highest level of sales tax, the highest minimum wage, the most restrictive overtime rules, the highest electric rates, the largest budget deficit, the worst bond rating, and the highest worker's compensation premiums in the US. At some companies, worker's comp exceeds payroll as an expense. Talk about encouraging layoffs and discouraging employment.
If you're a business owner, what part of this is good news? How would this encourage you to expand your business? And without business expansion, how are tax revenues generated? How is unemployment brought down?
(California is a bit like Sweden in the way they are committing economical suicide)
Agree 100%.
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Originally posted by hitech
Thats because Texas realy is the center,therefore our view is perfectly valid :)
Finally! Someone who understands! :D
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From the point of view of a Repulican in California. Davis is a moron, he was a moron as state controller, he is a moron now and needs the boot. However if we end up with that psycho biatch Fienstien, we are in even more trouble. Same goes for old whats his name, the formor mayor of LA ,he is just a Dem in Rep clothing. I think California is going to be the first state to out law guns altogether. I will be moving when that happens and so will most of the people that keep this state alive despite the dems best efforts to make it a welfare state. I am trying my best to start the segragation of northern California movement again. I don't want anything to do with any part of California from Sacatomato south. We should make Redding our capitol and live happily ever after.
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Recalls Are for Cars, Not California Governors
When did the Target parking lot replace the voting booth?
By Bill Maher
Los Angeles Times
Thursday 24 July 2003
New rule: No do-overs. Once you elect an official, unless he runs off with public funds or gets caught with kiddie porn, you're stuck with him.
He's the governor, not some dude you married in Las Vegas.
What's going on here in California, if you're lucky enough to not have been following this, is that the economy turned, so we're getting rid of the governor. But what if we drive him out of office and the economy still doesn't get better? I guess we'll have to burn him. And if that doesn't work, we'll kill his dog.
Yes, in baseball when the team stinks, you fire the manager. But you don't fire him because it rains. And you don't let the opposing team choose a new manager for you.
And you don't fire him between innings. And replace him with a Viennese weightlifter.
Here's why the economy turned: The dot-com bubble burst. (Obviously on the orders of Gray Davis.) The airline industry collapsed. (Just as Gray Davis planned.) We fought two wars. (Playing right into Gray Davis' hands.) And Dick Cheney's friends at Enron "gamed" the energy market and ripped off the state for billions.
So you can see the problem: Gray Davis.
And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German.
But there are still a lot of Democrats with sour grapes over the last presidential election, and they're not collecting petitions to replace George Bush with Bernie Mac.
Now, I'm not saying that I like Davis. Being enthusiastic about Davis would be like saying your favorite food is straw. But he fought for his country in Vietnam and won a fair election, and he's entitled to his term.
Maybe he's a lousy governor, but he was the one elected by voters who bothered to show up at the polls. Their efforts shouldn't be undone by disgruntled shoppers signing a petition on their way out of Target.
Anyone who thinks this recall is some great affirmation of democracy should review early American history. This is precisely the kind of direct involvement by the howling masses that the framers wanted to avoid.
But, hey, let's have the recall. And then the people who voted for Davis can have a recall and put him back in. And then we can throw him out again. It works well in Italy.
And it'll really help the state economy, too, when investors realize our political system is on par with Belize.
Oh, and a recall election will cost the state up to $35 million. Money we would otherwise just waste on schools and roads. And we'll still have to have a regular election in March.
But this really isn't about elections at all. This is about a congressman named Darrell Issa, a Republican car alarm magnate who wants to be governor and has spent $1.5 million of his own money to fund the recall effort.
Think about that as the silver lining the next time a car alarm wakes you up in the middle of the night.
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Hortlund's facts abou dem majority in all branches, along w/ rediculous policy and a 40% increase in spending is to blame for the Ca economy. Sandman is a leftist whacko, with no basis in logic.
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Why not just wait for the next election.
And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German.
Hahahahahahahahah
(sig line material!)
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
Why not just wait for the next election.
Because the Kalifornia constitution allows recalls based on voter disgruntlement, and Kalifornians hate Day Gravis.
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Originally posted by Rude
Here...take a listen from a Cali resident:)
He's also a former San Diego Mayor that resigned in disgrace after being convicted of 13 felonies.
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Well, that just goes to show why Bill Maher's show got canned... lol
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I dunno, I've watched and read a lot about this and am on the opposite coast....but if I lived there, I'd be pretty upset at what's been reported...registering vehicles cost 3x as much, bloated government, etc etc...
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well, that just goes to show why Bill Maher's show got canned... lol
Nope, Maher and Davis are both Doctorates in political suicide.
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Originally posted by Steve
Hortlund's facts abou dem majority in all branches, along w/ rediculous policy and a 40% increase in spending is to blame for the Ca economy. Sandman is a leftist whacko, with no basis in logic.
FACT: FERC banned Enron from selling electricity as punishment for having severely distorted Western energy markets.
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I knew that...
What I was trying to subtly say is this quote
"So you can see the problem: Gray Davis.
And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German"
Makes him look like an prettythanghat, even if he was trying to be funny.
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Bill Maher called the 9/11 highjackers "heros", he should be deported.
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Actually Mahr hit the nail on the head. MARIA! Pack the Hummer! This will make Ventura look like Einstein.
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My question is:
When I signed the recall, I lived in La Verne. I have since moved to Bend, Oregon. Because my signature was valid when I signed the recall, is it still good, or did I sign it uselessly?
Grey Davis also alienated a lot of democrats who re-elected him based upon his education platform. Now, that's the first thing he wanted to cut after he was re-elected (and shortly after the re-election, the truth about the state of the economy came out...). He really doesn't have many friends down there right now.
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recalling an elected official for anything short of gross misconduct or evidence that the election was tainted is just plain stupid. you've made your pick now put up with it until his term ends.
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Read statement above about him not releasing the truth about the economy until after his re-election. People are pissed, and they are looking to make a point. Even if it doesn't make a huge difference, they are going to make a point that the people of California don't like Grey Davis.
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The different viewpoints, from what I can gather, are this...some think this is a personal attack on Gray....while others feel that at some point, the public has the right to fire government officials that are killing the state.
I think the latter. And I wonder if my state has such a recall clause. Hmmmm
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I think recall is a fine thing... we should be able to fire the governor if he's not doing his job.
Still, I am unconvinced that Davis is to blame. Of course, he doesn't have the luxury of being able to blame others in his administration for his current problem(s)... so what the hell... get involved... vote what you feel is right and don't be surprised if it makes absolutely no difference who's in office.
I want those bastards at Enron to return the money they stole.
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Considering the politics that Kalifornia is well known for....should this be called a Coup, rather than a recall?
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Nah Rip, there have not hardly been any 9MM hemorrhages...
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Of cource the economy is the fault of the gvt and the dems.
Look at it...California has the highest minimum wage, utility rates, worker's compensation premiums, overtime restrictions, air quality requirements, and sales tax in the US.
In the public sector, every government agency is facing big job cuts because of the budget mess. Meanwhile, in the private sector, jobs are being lost left and right. And there is nothing strange with that, because given a choise, why would any sane company want to open a business in a state with such a punishing environment for private workers? Where would any corporate CEO look first when seeking to close plants due to high costs?
You have to create the wealth first before you bicker about sharing it. The Democrats frequently forget this inconvenient little detail.
The Democrats control 60% of the California Assembly and 60% of the Senate. They also hold all eight state elected offices. They've dominated the legislature forever, and have held the Governer's mansion for 5 years. In that time they have so botched the economy that sales tax revenue in San Francisco has fallen 50% in two years.
I'll repeat. California has the highest level of sales tax, the highest minimum wage, the most restrictive overtime rules, the highest electric rates, the largest budget deficit, the worst bond rating, and the highest worker's compensation premiums in the US. At some companies, worker's comp exceeds payroll as an expense. Talk about encouraging layoffs and discouraging employment.
If you're a business owner, what part of this is good news? How would this encourage you to expand your business? And without business expansion, how are tax revenues generated? How is unemployment brought down?
(California is a bit like Sweden in the way they are committing economical suicide)
HITS NAIL ON HEAD!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Nah Rip, there have not hardly been any 9MM hemorrhages...
Theres been plenty of bloodless coups before....
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I want those bastards at Enron to return the money they stole.
You would need to contact a Mr. Bush in Washington, D.C.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Blame Bush (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030714&s=scheer20030701)
the nation is as left as PRAVDA of the 40's
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
FACT: FERC banned Enron from selling electricity as punishment for having severely distorted Western energy markets.
It's also a fact that Davis manipulated the energy crisis in California for political purposes.
And as for your rather idiotic assertion that somehow Bush is to blame for California's woes is just, well, idiotic. Davis brought this upon himself, otherwise almost half the signatures on the recall petition wouldn't have been Democrats. While Davis can't be blamed for a part of the current economic problems we're facing here in California, he still can be blamed for not helping matters or improving it. The current budget and deficit problems are his fault, as well putting out of work a great deal of our teachers in this state while he rewards his political contributors by letting them keep their jobs. It's funny how the groups that didn't support Davis were the first ones to suffer from his cut backs.
While I didn't sign the recall petition and really don't support it (I think it will do more harm to California's economy than helping it) I don't blame the rest of the residents of the Union's greatest state for wanting the little midget out of office. If only the moronic goose-stepping, jack boot wearing, far-right whacko California conservatives had supported Riordon instead of that totally incompetent Simon as their choice for the Republican candidate, then we wouldn't be facing a recall election. Have the Republicans learned their lessons? Nope, they are backing that idiot Issa so it looks like that even after we get rid of Davis, we'll still have a Democrat in the Governor's Mansion for some years to come.
ack-ack
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Davis enjoys support of big Democratic majorities in both houses of the Legislature, state law requires the budget to be approved by two-thirds. Republicans have enough votes to hold up the process indefinitely.
Maybe this is the problem? :eek:
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Davis negotiated idiotic energy contracts, paying top dollar for future engery needs. That pretty much doomed California's economy all by itself.
See, Kalifornia has the brilliant concept that engery companies have to buy power at unregulated market prices, then are forced to sell it at capped prices in Kalifornia.... sort of Soviet style . So then you have power companies going bankrupt selling power below the market cost... so brilliant :)
Davis then complained that California shouldn't have to pay the agreed price, after energy prices dropped around the country. Too bad he made a deal that sucked, oh well.
He now thinks the answer is to tax the watermelon out of everyone to make up for his spending. He is a joke that needs too and will be shown the door.
Glad I don't live there :)
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Originally posted by JBA
the nation is as left as PRAVDA of the 40's
I must assume that you've read both... but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Glad I don't live there :)
you don't have to live there to be a victim of their idiotic politics. Our energy bills doubled in WA state because our idiotic Dems sold power to Kalifornia, then when they didn't need it, we had to buy it back at double the cost. Guess who sucked up that excess bill? Consumers. :mad:
I got a big one-finger Salute for Kalifornia politicians, both party's.:mad:
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Excellent article by Maher. Maybe some of you knee jerks will read this if a small part is snipped out.
Here's why the economy turned: The dot-com bubble burst. (Obviously on the orders of Gray Davis.) The airline industry collapsed. (Just as Gray Davis planned.) We fought two wars. (Playing right into Gray Davis' hands.) And Dick Cheney's friends at Enron "gamed" the energy market and ripped off the state for billions.
So you can see the problem: Gray Davis.
All true no matter how much you hate Maher (the liberal Ann Coulter?).
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Of cource the economy is the fault of the gvt and the dems.
Look at it...California has the highest minimum wage, utility rates, worker's compensation premiums, overtime restrictions, air quality requirements, and sales tax in the US.
Actually the highest minimum wage in the nation is in (drum roll please.......) Ripsnorts own Washington State!!! $6.90
http://www.awb.org/policy/2002lo/MinimumWage.html
In the public sector, every government agency is facing big job cuts because of the budget mess. Meanwhile, in the private sector, jobs are being lost left and right. And there is nothing strange with that, because given a choise, why would any sane company want to open a business in a state with such a punishing environment for private workers? Where would any corporate CEO look first when seeking to close plants due to high costs?
You have a point here. However Gray Davis didn't start nor is he responsible for the huge increase in workmans compensation costs in this State. Our litigious society did that.
You have to create the wealth first before you bicker about sharing it. The Democrats frequently forget this inconvenient little detail.
The Democrats control 60% of the California Assembly and 60% of the Senate. They also hold all eight state elected offices. They've dominated the legislature forever, and have held the Governer's mansion for 5 years. In that time they have so botched the economy that sales tax revenue in San Francisco has fallen 50% in two years.
The economy wasn't botched by the Democrats, it was botched by war, and energy costs, and the dot com collapse and a poor stock performance.
I'll repeat. California has the highest level of sales tax, the highest minimum wage, the most restrictive overtime rules, the highest electric rates, the largest budget deficit, the worst bond rating, and the highest worker's compensation premiums in the US. At some companies, worker's comp exceeds payroll as an expense. Talk about encouraging layoffs and discouraging employment.
If you're a business owner, what part of this is good news? How would this encourage you to expand your business? And without business expansion, how are tax revenues generated? How is unemployment brought down?
(California is a bit like Sweden in the way they are committing economical suicide) [/B]
Sales taxes - California at 7.90% ranks 6th behind
1. Tennessee 9.35%
2. Louisiana 8.45%
3. Washington 8.30%
4. New York 7.95%
5. Oklahoma 7.95%
Minimum wage we've already covered.
Overtime rules are the same as a huge mafority of the States. Overtime for work over 8 hours in a day or over 40 hours in a week. We can also work 4 x 10hour schedules if necessary without paying OT.
The highest electric rates in the country are in NYC.
Please try to stick to the facts next time.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Excellent article by Maher. Maybe some of you knee jerks will read this if a small part is snipped out.
All true no matter how much you hate Maher (the liberal Ann Coulter?).
So you will cut Bush the same slack then.
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heck yea! I think he should serve the full 4 years.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
heck yea! I think he should serve the full 4 years.
LOL. You are saying the California economy is in the tank because of 911? Why does California have a deficit more than all other states combined?
And if you are going to say California's ecomony woes are due to 911, then I can expect you to believe that this is the case for the natianal economy under Bush.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Actually the highest minimum wage in the nation is in (drum roll please.......) Ripsnorts own Washington State!!! $6.90
http://www.awb.org/policy/2002lo/MinimumWage.html
1. Tennessee 9.35%
2. Louisiana 8.45%
3. Washington 8.30%
4. New York 7.95%
5. Oklahoma 7.95%
Minimum wage we've already covered.
Overtime rules are the same as a huge mafority of the States. Overtime for work over 8 hours in a day or over 40 hours in a week. We can also work 4 x 10hour schedules if necessary without paying OT.
The highest electric rates in the country are in NYC.
Please try to stick to the facts next time.
#3 should read "Washington State" due to our poor education system, some of our retarded posters are gonna think that its D.C.! Anyway, we're moving up to 9.1 soon. so we'll be #2. Thanks Democrats! :mad:
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Originally posted by Greese
My question is:
When I signed the recall, I lived in La Verne.
Hey, cool! I grew up in LaVerne, and went to high school at Bonita High. On the other hand, I'm glad I left CA, and don't expect I'll ever go back except to visit my parents. Of course, between the ultra-liberal 9th Circuit Court and Gray-out Davis, my Dad is seriously considering leaving CA himself.
When I was getting ready to retire from the Air Force, I interviewed with a company with offices in CA. The interviewer asked me if I'd consider a position in Torrance, CA. With a straight face I said, "Sure, but I doubt you can afford it."
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because our idiotic Dems sold power to Kalifornia
you legislator tells your utilitys who to sell power to and for what price?
much of my work is in the power industry. most states have regulated utilitys (all that I can think of except california where I believe they are actually state owned, but I rarely work down there so while I know their system is different I have no real interest in finding out exactly how it is different).
but in most states the gov't sets the % of profit they can charge on power sold in their state. they all sell power across state lines. when your utility is selling power across state lines you can charge whatever the market will bear, then the buying utility will charge that plus the allowed profit % to their customers. gov't regulates the allowable profit % to power sold in the utilities home area, it does not aprove individual sales or prices.
so the 'evil Dems' didn't sell your power off and screw you. if anything the power sold to cali from washington at the prices fabricated by Chaney and co. just makes more profit for the utilities in your area, making it harder to justify increasing your rates.
now be nice and tell california thank you.
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL. You are saying the California economy is in the tank because of 911? Why does California have a deficit more than all other states combined?
And if you are going to say California's ecomony woes are due to 911, then I can expect you to believe that this is the case for the natianal economy under Bush.
Partially.
Are you saying that 9-11 had NO effect on the economy?
Most economic changes are outside the control of the executive, and yes that goes for Clinton and Reagan too.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
you legislator tells your utilitys who to sell power to and for what price?
much of my work is in the power industry. most states have regulated utilitys (all that I can think of except california where I believe they are actually state owned, but I rarely work down there so while I know their system is different I have no real interest in finding out exactly how it is different).
but in most states the gov't sets the % of profit they can charge on power sold in their state. they all sell power across state lines. when your utility is selling power across state lines you can charge whatever the market will bear, then the buying utility will charge that plus the allowed profit % to their customers. gov't regulates the allowable profit % to power sold in the utilities home area, it does not aprove individual sales or prices.
so the 'evil Dems' didn't sell your power off and screw you. if anything the power sold to cali from washington at the prices fabricated by Chaney and co. just makes more profit for the utilities in your area, making it harder to justify increasing your rates.
now be nice and tell california thank you.
California caps the ammount that power companies can charge customers regardless of the cost they paiy to purchase the power,not a percentage of the cost, from my understanding.
So when Davis agreed to purchase power at premium rates, he screwed the California power companies. They were forced to sell power below the cost they paid for it.
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL. You are saying the California economy is in the tank because of 911? Why does California have a deficit more than all other states combined?
You sure about that Nuke?
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
you legislator tells your utilitys who to sell power to and for what price?
much of my work is in the power industry. most states have regulated utilitys (all that I can think of except california where I believe they are actually state owned, but I rarely work down there so while I know their system is different I have no real interest in finding out exactly how it is different).
but in most states the gov't sets the % of profit they can charge on power sold in their state. they all sell power across state lines. when your utility is selling power across state lines you can charge whatever the market will bear, then the buying utility will charge that plus the allowed profit % to their customers. gov't regulates the allowable profit % to power sold in the utilities home area, it does not aprove individual sales or prices.
so the 'evil Dems' didn't sell your power off and screw you. if anything the power sold to cali from washington at the prices fabricated by Chaney and co. just makes more profit for the utilities in your area, making it harder to justify increasing your rates.
now be nice and tell california thank you.
http://www.governor.wa.gov/eo/energy010126.htm
Nuff said!
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Originally posted by NUKE
See, Kalifornia has the brilliant concept that engery companies have to buy power at unregulated market prices, then are forced to sell it at capped prices in Kalifornia.... sort of Soviet style . So then you have power companies going bankrupt selling power below the market cost... so brilliant :)
That was Steve Peace's great contribution to this state. What didn't come out until after the arse pushed this through the state legislature that his biggest campaign contributors were the energy corporations. Of course Davis rewards his lap dog with a plum government post which inturn Steve Peace then puts his wife on some committee that only meets 3 times a year and is payed over $150,000 a year just to meet 3 times a year over tea and crumpets. And the Democrats say only the Republicans are capable of screwing up a wet dream.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The economy wasn't botched by the Democrats, it was botched by war, and energy costs, and the dot com collapse and a poor stock performance.
California's economic woes started way before the war started and before Bush was elected. The budget shortfall is all Grey Davis though, noone other than him is responsible for that. And not to mention the money that was wasted over the Oracle debacle. How much $$$$ did California piss in the wind over that one? Again that was another Grey Davis contribution.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by NUKE
California caps the ammount that power companies can charge customers regardless of the cost they paiy to purchase the power,not a percentage of the cost, from my understanding.
So when Davis agreed to purchase power at premium rates, he screwed the California power companies. They were forced to sell power below the cost they paid for it.
The caps were only recently put in place after the the people of California demanded it after seeing monthly electrical bills quadruple and suffering rolling black outs. A few businesses (mostly mom and pop stores) had to close down because they could no longer afford to stay open due to the increased costs. Before the caps were put in place by the PUC, the state pretty much bought the power from the highest bidder. In Grey Davis case, there has been ample evidence he manipulated the energy crisis for the sole purpose of political gain. There is also evidence that he ordered electricity purchased from a company that was over-bidding the other electrical companies by over 200%! And no Enron wasn't the company in question.
It's also silly to blame Enron for California's energy woes because the idiot in the Governor's Mansion is far more culpable but then the Democrats will try anything to tie something to Bush/Cheney.
Ack-Ack
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Fact: California govt spending went UP 40% during Davis's tenure. This, in spite of the fact that the economy was slowing, and the .com bubble had burst.
I suppose that's Bush's fault to eh? Whacko!
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Not sure here, but did anyone consider the fact that Gray Davis might just plain suck as a Gov. and is not real good at the job?
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LOL, yeah. The gorvernor sucks
LETS REPLACE HIM WITH A BODYBUILDER!!!!!
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Hey it's Cal....if you can have Gov. Moonbeam...lol! Actually Brown wasn't bad at all.
Anyway..I'm not saying Arnold would be better, I'm saying that Gray might not be good at his job.
Also, for some strange reason, I do believe Animal to be a Genius!!
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Originally posted by Montezuma
He's also a former San Diego Mayor that resigned in disgrace after being convicted of 13 felonies.
Not him...his guest
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well grey davis is leaving weather we like it or not even if this recall doesn't work (which it most likely will) we just have to put up with him till november january 2004 and also at that time we can try boot bush out of president:D im not allowed to vote so i cant but if i could i would vote aronld (how do you spell his last name again he was in terminator) in yto cal governer
skull12
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Originally posted by Animal
LOL, yeah. The gorvernor sucks
LETS REPLACE HIM WITH A BODYBUILDER!!!!!
LOL! (I saw the humor...)
Hey, lets say he does get elected, wanna guess what his re-elect slogan will be?
Thats right....
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"I'll be baaaaaack"[/size] (Snicker, I just crack myself up sometimes :D )
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Davis' term ends in 2007 and clearly the right to recall is there.
Given the situation, it makes sense that if he truly NEEDS recalling, it'd best to do it early in his term rather than at the last minute.
Seems like it's up to the voters of California to decide if he needs recalling, not anyone else.
I personally doubt that recalling Davis is going to change the California economy all that much. It'll recover when the rest of the US/World economy starts to move.
OTOH, it's never really bothered me to see politicians being made to bow to the will of the voters instead of simply doing whatever they want except while running for re-election.
So, the CA voters will do what the CA voters will do.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Actually the highest minimum wage in the nation is in (drum roll please.......) Ripsnorts own Washington State!!! $6.90
http://www.awb.org/policy/2002lo/MinimumWage.html
And the idiotic voters (as defined by voters who voted FOR this initiative) in this state tied it to inflation rates (as defined by the CPI) - which means if inflation ever gets out of control again, this state is DOOMED economically.
Sales taxes - California at 7.90% ranks 6th behind
3. Washington 8.30%
Dunno about the others, but WA does not have a state income tax, CA does, right?
And about those energy rates? CA exacerbated the problem with some rather less than effective policys noted above by ack-ack, nuke and others wrt to power delivery price caps.
BB
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Sales taxes - California at 7.90% ranks 6th behind
8.25%
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Originally posted by mietla
8.25%
If you are paying 8.25% some of that is local sales tax.
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i think californa needs hulk hogan for gov,,lol he would give all the tree huggers a leg drop:)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If you are paying 8.25% some of that is local sales tax.
It's 7.25% here.
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florida has no income tax, 6% sales tax, a county can add 1% to sales tax with the extra money staying in county for public works.
florida also has no state debt, fla constutition forbids the state going into debt.
i guess we all justa bunch ah dumb rednecks, yeehaa.
you kaliforny fellers is sur smarter than us.
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It's a shame you boys haven't figured out how to run a proper election. :D
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We have a retirement community called Sun City here in CA.
All the people who live there regularly write their parents in Florida.