Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 10Bears on July 29, 2003, 03:16:54 PM
-
The Passion.
I bet this is going to be Mel Gibson’s best movie.
Here’s the trailer.. http://www.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/ramhurl?f=hollywoodjesus/Passion.rm
This film depicts the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus. and done in the original languages. I guess they’ll have sub titles but you really don’t need it.
After watching the trailer, I sat there a good 2 minutes Stunned..
-
I'm betting that hollywood critics tear this film apart simply because:
A) Mel Gibson is a family man with morals.
B) He's religious
C) He won't show up to screenings in a Limo, he drives his family station wagon.
-
I bet it is torn apart by a religious leader for being blasphemous before the critics ever get a hold of it.
-
Originally posted by Lance
I bet it is torn apart by a religious leader for being blasphemous before the critics ever get a hold of it.
Thats a given too. Probably by the Gay Men of Jesus Christ Church, for not representing homosexual men in the film.
-
It could be a good one, the material sure has stood the test of time.
But why is it that films still depict crucifiction with nails through the hands when it was not done that way. Through the wrist bones it was. Is it a left over from the Stigmata phenomena that this is perpetuated?
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Thats a given too. Probably by the Gay Men of Jesus Christ Church, for not representing homosexual men in the film.
More likely by Pat Robertson... who will compare it to Tinkie Winkie.
-
Originally posted by midnight Target
More likely by Pat Robertson... who will compare it to Tinkie Winkie.
or spongebob? :D
-
Well of course it will be criticized....it will anger someone for sure....still, I agree with 10 Bears, it took courage for him to do this and I think this may be his best effort.
I saw an interview with him where he stated he and his family were being threatened due to him doing this movie....from a Christians point of view, this is expected.
He's a better actor than most folks give him credit for, imho of course:)
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm betting that hollywood critics tear this film apart simply because:
A) Mel Gibson is a family man with morals.
B) He's religious
C) He won't show up to screenings in a Limo, he drives his family station wagon.
All of which is totally irrelevant. Actors act.
-
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
All of which is totally irrelevant. Actors act.
You and I know this...but Hollyweird has taken on a political aura of its own unfortunately. Actors/Actresses are consistently blacklisted for their political beliefs.
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
You and I know this...but Hollyweird has taken on a political aura of its own unfortunately. Actors/Actresses are consistently blacklisted for their political beliefs.
Like Zero Mostel?
Herchel Bernardi?
can you name one?
-
Hollywood blacklists aren't what they used to be... there's plenty of work outside of California.
-
I'd say that if it gets panned, it's because it is a wank film. Kind of like Waterworld. Sure, the bleeding heart types with persecution complexes will wax lyrical about religious intolerance but at the end of day if it fails to move, entertain or if it takes itself too seriously it will flop. This film has a distinct Costner-esque smell about it, but I'll hold fire until I've seen it. It has potential.
-
Originally posted by Dowding
I'd say that if it gets panned, it's because it is a wank film. Kind of like Waterworld. Sure, the bleeding heart types with persecution complexes will wax lyrical about religious intolerance but at the end of day if it fails to move, entertain or if it takes itself too seriously it will flop. This film has a distinct Costner-esque smell about it, but I'll hold fire until I've seen it. It has potential.
You mean a Costneresque smell without the Costneresque butt shot? How can this be?
-
Originally posted by midnight Target
Like Zero Mostel?
Herchel Bernardi?
can you name one?
Are you kidding? If this was a published fact, the media would be all over it. Its there, it exists.
-
so, there's no proof, but its well known?
:rolleyes: <------- :rolleyes:
-
Hey, it's another exciting adventure in 'Proving the Negative'!
-
Hollywood conservative Jerry Doyle has four short words for Tinseltown whiner Tim Robbins, who tried to conjure up visions of the old Hollywood blacklist days last week by complaining that he and partner Susan Sarandon had been banned from a Baseball Hall of Fame ceremony commemorating their old movie ''Bull Durham.''
''Give me a break,'' says Doyle. ''These people aren't going to be blacklisted. They're being lauded in Hollywood as heroes.''
Instead of liberals being blacklisted, it's conservatives who suffer the most because of Hollywood's one-sided political proclivities, the emmy award winning actor claims.
''After I ran for Congress in 2000 [as a Republican], I was about as busy as a deodorant salesman in Paris,'' Doyle told WABC Radio's Monica Crowley on Saturday. ''It was a great way to lose $100,000 and put your career on hold.''
Asked pointblank if he'd ever been blacklisted because of his politics, Doyle said, ''They don't come right out and say, 'Don't hire him.' But after I ran for Congress my manager got calls from people saying, ''What is this? What--is he nuts? I can't work with him.' ''
The Hollywood conservative also cited the experience of his conservative Hollywood colleague, Michael Moriarity, who he said ''came out against [Clinton Attorney General] Janet Reno and they slammed him and he went into never-neverland.''
Certain casting directors who ''don't like your politics just don't bring you in on certain projects,'' he told Crowley. ''There's a great deal of fear in the industry that if you tick off the people who are in the position to give you a job or to make your next movie connection, that you want to stay in their good graces.''
Doyle said that when it comes to Hollywood's politics, the herd mentality reigns supreme. ''I'd be willing to bet that if Spielberg and Geffen and Streisand and Sheen switched their registration to Republican that you'd see 90 to 95 percent of the industry switch over to Republican because they're sheep.''
There is one benefit, however, to Hollywood's conservative blacklist, the GOP actor admitted. ''I'm certainly [not] gonna miss going to that 'Save the Gay Gray Whale' meeting.''
Look for Jerry Doyle's latest film "Lost Treasure," due out in June on HBO
-
Lol, he's blacklisted from ever working again and he's in an HBO movie this summer? I guess the dixie chicks aren't the only ones that can whine about getting knocked around for their political views.
Mel Gibson is a movie money maker. He'll get work as long as he is.
-
was it gibson or costner that was in "radiers of the lost ark' i get them guys confused.
-
Originally posted by john9001
was it gibson or costner that was in "radiers of the lost ark' i get them guys confused.
NO THATS HANK SOLO
-
Originally posted by Animal
NO THATS HANK SOLO
Hans Solo perhaps? Harrison Ford for those who don't remember :).
-
heard this morning that a sub titled film hasn't made over $15 million ever
Mel's has made over $10 million and it hasn't even opened yet ..
set to make up to $40 million this weekend
very big film, life changer from what I've heard/seen
-
The Brits oughta be happy, he's not bashing them for a change, unless the Jews and Romans have English accents. ;)
Eager to see this one.
-
What is the signifigance of the film to xtians?
-
lol AKIron :D
"Awright, lads. Wot do ya think of this Jesus, fella? If my name ain't Pontius Pilate, I'm buggered if I know what to do wiv 'im."
The New Testament according to Guy Ritchie!
Nah, I'm waiting for the Hollywood interpretation of the Battle of Britain with the 'The Few' or whatever that Cruise thing promises to be. Stay tuned for some more rape of British history at a screen near you!
-
Here is what I don't like about the film:
1. Mel Gibson is a member of a sect of Christianity that refuses to hold Jews blameless for the death of Jesus.
2. The film is billed as being "the truth" by Christians, including the Pope.
As to point 1.
This is bound to create anti-Jewish feelings in some (possibly alot) of movie goers.
Hating Jews because they "killed Jesus" is about the stupidest thing any Christian could do. If they didn't there would be no Christianity.
As to point 2.
Did Mel invent a time machine with all his money and travel back in time to find out what "the truth" is? Doubt it...but you never know.
-
There were actually cases of assault by Scottish nutcases on English people after Braveheart, where the perpetrators said "This is for William Wallace."
Gibson believes his own hype.
-
Originally posted by Curval
Hating Jews because they "killed Jesus" is about the stupidest thing any Christian could do. If they didn't there would be no Christianity.
Agree 100% Curval and I think most Christians do too. Anyone that would argue need look no further than US support for modern day Israel.
As to blaming Jews for killing Jesus, every true Christian understands that every person is responsible for his death.
-
Jeez why be so profound about the film...
I'll go see it because:
1. It's a movie
2. It's got Monica Belucci in it!
Daniel
-
How can it be a life changing film? Its the same ole crucifiction of christ gig again. I mean how many times can they do it.. Everyone here that has heard of christanity has probably seen at least 2 film depictions of christ on a cross.. Is mel gonna change something and add a twist at the end? Will Jesus come back and lay waste to the jews that nailed him to the cross? Bring out the angles of death and rain fire down upon the ignorant masses??
IMO America has gone 'christ crazy'... No where in the bible does jesus christ say worship me.. No where does jesus christ say pray to me.. No where does jesus christ say he is the father.. No where does jesus christ say that he is god... Jesus was just a man.. Religious extremism and intollerance is sweeping our land in jesus christ's name..
-
I think the "jews" in hollyweird are pissed as they would not support him and he did it on his own nickel. they are the only ones upset about that neg spin
for this to be a "jew hater" movie is about as retarded as bens pearl harbor being a jap hater flick...
it is about the last days leading up to Christs suffering & sacrifice in the most realistic terms thus the R rating
if that offends some - sorry, don't see it and go on acting like it never happened.,.
good job Mel!
-
Originally posted by kappa
How can it be a life changing film? Its the same ole crucifiction of christ gig again. I mean how many times can they do it..
Not quite, Kappa, some things have changed. For one thing, the Jews are no longer the "whipping boys" for imagined problems.
The movie is rated "R" (I believe that's correct.) It's rated "R" because of the incredible violence portrayed in the movie.
Violence on this scale was absent in all previous versions. A good hair shirt does wonders for the soul. :)
The critics appear to be split -- half are saying it's garbage, the other half are enthralled. It seems clear to me that 100% of the critics are telegraphing their religious convictions, not their opinion of the movie.
As others noted, the pope liked it (It is as it was).
Religious convictions aside, I intend to see it. I anticipate it will be as well done as the Wallace movie. And who knows, maybe it will revive interest in Aramaic, a language rapidly dying away.
gary
-
Originally posted by kappa
... Jesus was just a man..
Did you forget about the walking on water, calming the storm, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead?
-
Braveheart was 'well done'?
It was half-baked at best. He was portrayed as a Saint, as were his troops. They neglected to show the rape and murder of civilians in the North of England and especially York.
It was sanitized, anti-English crap with only one pair of tits in it. And she was killed at the beginning. Stupid film.
-
Well I guess we can start preparing for a 12 hour epic of jews being tortured in the most henius way by christians.
Mel does have the courage of his convictions. As does his papa.
-
Originally posted by Dowding
Braveheart was 'well done'?
It was half-baked at best. He was portrayed as a Saint, as were his troops. They neglected to show the rape and murder of civilians in the North of England and especially York.
It was sanitized, anti-English crap with only one pair of tits in it. And she was killed at the beginning. Stupid film.
Easy there my fine Englander. :) I didn't say it was accurate, just a well made movie.
curly
-
Originally posted by AKIron
Did you forget about the walking on water, calming the storm, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead?
I demand proof, preferably VHS, but beta is acceptable.
curly
-
How can depicting christ in his final 12 hours be a good thing. This movie is suppose to sport the most horific beating of christ to date? Didnt Mel say something like that? A more violent end to christ will not leave people with 'christ like feelings'.....
IMO Christ is suppose to represent what man can achieve here on earth. He was unconditional love and caring. Respect for your fellow man and know that man to be brother..
Christ died for our sins?? Christ was just a man. People die for/because of our sins every single second... There are and have been "christ like" people all thrughout history.. Most were never heard of. I simply say if one has died for his brother then he is 'christ like'...
Walking on water, calming the storm, and giving site to the blind are all metaphors in the bible, IMO... Are we to really believe that in the old testiment that there was actually a "Tower of Babalon" built that could reach heaven? Clearly a metaphor for something else..
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Thats a given too. Probably by the Gay Men of Jesus Christ Church, for not representing homosexual men in the film.
Nope the jews have already done that
-
Im going to see it just to spite all you soulless bastards. :aok
-
Originally posted by AKcurly
I demand proof, preferably VHS, but beta is acceptable.
curly
Sorry Curly, I had it on beta but it faded after only a couple hundred years. ;)
The problem I have with those that claim Jesus was a prophet or philosopher or just a good man is that he wasn't. He was either the virgin born son of God, able to perform miracles and take the sin of all upon himself or he was a dastardly liar. No middle ground here imo.
-
AKCurly - it had good battle scenes and a foxy Scottish chica at the start. So it wasn't all bad. ;)
-
Originally posted by AKIron
Sorry Curly, I had it on beta but it faded after only a couple hundred years. ;)
The problem I have with those that claim Jesus was a prophet or philosopher or just a good man is that he wasn't. He was either the virgin born son of God, able to perform miracles and take the sin of all upon himself or he was a dastardly liar. No middle ground here imo.
(In my best Dave Barry voice) I'm not taking a position here. :)
However, I'm sure it has occurred to you that Christ believed all of those things (virgin birth, miracles, sin) and none of them are true.
curly
-
Originally posted by Curval
Here is what I don't like about the film:
1. Mel Gibson is a member of a sect of Christianity that refuses to hold Jews blameless for the death of Jesus.
...
Hating Jews because they "killed Jesus" is about the stupidest thing any Christian could do. If they didn't there would be no Christianity.
How do you get from "refuses to hold Jews blameless" to "hating Jews"?
-
The one thing the story of Christ provides a lot of people is a way to life eternal in the glory of God. Sounds good eh. The Bible, and other similar documents provide humanity with a set of values unavailable in the animal world. Values to live by.
The one thing I notice that seperates most religious people I know from athiests I know is that the people that believe in God tend to be happier overall then the people who think death is the end of themselves.
I say believe in whatever makes you happy.
-
Originally posted by Yeager
The one thing I notice that seperates most religious people I know from athiests I know is that the people that believe in God tend to be happier overall then the people who think death is the end of themselves.
I say believe in whatever makes you happy.
I haven't noticed that Yeager. I know many professed christians who are terrified of death. I know many professed atheists who are terrified of death.
I know a few christians who look forward to their reward. I knew a few atheists who view life as an interesting puzzle and anticipate death because it's the last thing they'll personally witness.
It is rarely safe to generalize about religious issues.
curly
-
If the accounts of Christ are not true then I have to go with liar Curly. There are too many things from his own mouth that delusion cannot account for. Of course many liars believe their own lies but I don't think that this is true for them at the beginning.
Anyhow, I choose to believe the accounts. My only fear of the unknown is that there may not be one. Tiny nagging doubt that I am usually successful at dispelling when I look to my faith.
-
Originally posted by AKIron
If the accounts of Christ are not true then I have to go with liar Curly. There are too many things from his own mouth that delusion cannot account for. Of course many liars believe their own lies but I don't think that this is true for them at the beginning.
Anyhow, I choose to believe the accounts. My only fear of the unknown is that there may not be one. Tiny nagging doubt that I am usually successful at dispelling when I look to my faith.
Well, religious hysteria can delude the senses. Witness the children of Fatima (and many other similar examples.)
And, how do you know you are reading the words of Christ? Hundreds of years, hundreds of writers and no one can agree on the correct word for rock (reference to Peter.)
gary
-
if there is a existence after death , you will find out what it is, if there is no existence after death , it won't matter, because you will never know. faith has nothing to do with it , what will be , will be.
-
spoiler: Odin kicks jesus's ass
-
I haven't noticed that Yeager. I know many professed christians who are terrified of death.
====
Thats cool curly, we all see life through a unique set of balls...eyeballs that is.
The only other thing I would comment on is that the christians you know, those that profess to be believers sound like they arent all that commited if they are terrified of the glory of God.
-
Funked...two dictinctly different points I was making, sorry I wasn't clear.
The first point is that he (Mel) has a "bias" against Jewish people by virtue of his membership in this sect.
The second point is that for those Christians who take this film as the "truth" and act out on their emotions and actually hate (or hurt) Jews because they were "responsible" for Jesus' death are idiots.
-
Originally posted by Yeager
I haven't noticed that Yeager. I know many professed christians who are terrified of death.
====
Thats cool curly, we all see life through a unique set of balls...eyeballs that is.
The only other thing I would comment on is that the christians you know, those that profess to be believers sound like they arent all that commited if they are terrified of the glory of God.
I was raised in a small town in Oklahoma a long time ago. 99.999% of the town professed to be christian. The remaining 0.001% were drunk or they would have made it 100%.
I knew maybe 1 or 2 out of 1000 folks (including ministers) who looked forward to their death as a greeting time from god.
Primitive times, Yeager. No doubt, the odds are much slimmer today in the US. Now, if you would mosey over to the Middle East, you'll find all manner of god-fearing folks who jump at the opportunity to meet their god.
curly
-
lol its just a squealing movie. They are trying to be historically accurate based on a book commissioned by the roman emporer. Its entertainment not a life moving experiance.
Btw if a movie changes the way you look at life, or you are moved spiritually by one more then any self awakeing your an idiot.
-
Originally posted by Frogm4n
lol its just a squealing movie. They are trying to be historically accurate based on a book commissioned by the roman emporer. Its entertainment not a life moving experiance.
Btw if a movie changes the way you look at life, or you are moved spiritually by one more then any self awakeing your an idiot.
So you are saying your outlook on life has changed and this movie moved you spiritually?
-
Frog...the Pope was quoted as saying this movie is "the truth".
-
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Thats a given too. Probably by the Gay Men of Jesus Christ Church, for not representing homosexual men in the film.
Eh Dude! Jesus was 33 when he died, unmarried. Most Jewish men married at 13-16 when the life expectacy was less than 40 years. He showed no interest in women.
He hung around with 12 other men wearing dresses...preaching peace, love thy neighbor, and when one cheek gets spanked turn and show the other cheek so it can get just as rosey...
Come on!
It's obvious the Christ Dude was gay!
-
Curval, I don't think I follow your point on Catholics being anti-Semitic. The Jewish people held responsible for the crucifixion would be the teachers of the Law, which Jesus showed to be false. They are the ones who plotted his death. It certainly wouldn't be a condemnation of the Jewish as a whole. The poster that said we are all responsible for Christ's crucifixion was right too- it's why He came. Our sins are what killed him.
You are right though, there would be no Christianity with Jews- I mean, c'mon, Jesus was a Jew. The Jewish are God's chosen people. Anyone that claims to be a Christian isn't getting any further than Genesis before seeing that.
People that walk out of the theater with anti-Semitic feelings in all likelihood walked in with the same feelings.
-
Originally posted by Curval
Frog...the Pope was quoted as saying this movie is "the truth".
And? The pope is just another human being like you and me.
-
Originally posted by AKcurly
Now, if you would mosey over to the Middle East, you'll find all manner of god-fearing folks who jump at the opportunity to meet their god.
Don't you mean to say...
you'll find all manner of god-fearing folks who self explode at the opportunity to meet their god.
-
Kieran, I didn't mean to portray all Catholics as anti-Semetic. Not sure where this comes from.
Frog...he may be just another man to you and I...but to pious Catholics he is much, much more. If he claims it is the truth..then millions upon millions of Catholics worldwide will think so too.
THAT is how he differes from you and I...his influence.
-
That and we dont crap our pants.
-
Frog your colostomy bag doesn't count.
-
My mom said it did!
-
Originally posted by Frogm4n
That and we dont crap our pants.
ROFL...sorry to any Catholics out there that might take offense, but that was funny.
-
let's bump it through Easter :)
-
Originally posted by Kieran
So you are saying your outlook on life has changed and this movie moved you spiritually?
:aok
-
Originally posted by Curval
Funked...two dictinctly different points I was making, sorry I wasn't clear.
The first point is that he (Mel) has a "bias" against Jewish people by virtue of his membership in this sect.
The second point is that for those Christians who take this film as the "truth" and act out on their emotions and actually hate (or hurt) Jews because they were "responsible" for Jesus' death are idiots.
Curv ... I watched the Diane Saywer interview with Mel and got a complete OPPOSITE opinion of what Mel believes in and what his church is all about.
He was asked point blank if he was ant-semetic and he said to the effect ... "that the covenant of my faith does not allow it. If you have true christian beliefs, and I am a true christian, then I cannot harbour hate for the Jews."
The highest ranking Jewish Rabbi in the US said that he whole-heartedly believe that this movie does not promote anti-semetisim, but believes that the simple masses could take what is portrayed in the movie and use it to spark anti-semetisim.
-
Originally posted by Lance
I bet it is torn apart by a religious leader for being blasphemous before the critics ever get a hold of it.
Not this one.
-
I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been
invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion,"
but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up
in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the
influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything
that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic
thought, language or actions.
I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in
Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was
typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but
seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The
film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the
room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of
Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.
In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic
triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and
emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my
ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be
the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.
One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A
brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.
At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover,
a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the
compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be
'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus" I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful,sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.
We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel
narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by
Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion."
Mel Gilbson stated he did not appear in his own movie, by his
choice, with one exception: It is Gibson's hands seen nailing Jesus
to the cross. Gibson said he wanted to do that because it was
indeed his own hands that nailed Jesus to the cross (along with all of ours.)
----------------------------------
I got this by e-mail this morning.
This review, written by someone who appears to have many of the same feeling I do about Judaism, makes me really want to see this film.
I'm happy to note that my fears regarding anti-semitism appear to be unjustified.
I still have a problem with the film being billed as The Truth, but I will reserve judgement until I see it.
-
The people most angered and speaking out against the story of this film are those that have thought themselves into a very uninspiring form of non-belief, or should I say -believe that they are simply animals with no chance at a lasting spirit.
What a drag it must be to think of oneself as simply an animal with a spirit that dies forever with the body.
Have at it, your fate is gauranteed :aok
-
I saw The Passion of Christ.
Its moving. It isn't what I was wanting, though. I wanted truth in every way... maybe my expectations were too high.
I am a voracious reader. One of my favorite authors is James Michener, who wrote historical novels. His research is/was always exhaustive in every single detail. It means a lot to me in terms of my enjoyment. I like to see the same thing in movies, especially a movie about Christ.
In the film you see the nail pounded through the timber of the cross that Jesus was crucified on. The nail was longer than the timber was thick, so it came out the other side. The camera showed blood seeping and dripping from the distal end of the nail out the other side. This is quite impossible under the circumstances. It was an oversight that kind of ticked me off. I give this as an example of some trivia that stole from my enjoyment.
Making a film about the last hours of Jesus Christ is necessarily a tableau rather than a story that has time to develop characters and so on. This film relies heavily on what you already know and believe. You wouldn't really get it if you didn't already know the story. It isn't the kind of story that stands alone.
Overall, I thought it was simplistic. The portrayal of Christ's suffering was a bit overdone. I noticed one scene where you can see that the actor portraying Christ is wearing a rubber flesh suit - allowing us to see lacerations in real time during his scourging. I didn't think that was necessary. At the same time, I felt there was not enough examples of Christ's giving, and compassion. The movie needed more of that.
I did get angry with the Jews in this movie, who are portrayed not very attractively, other than Jesus, Mary and some others. There is an ugliness to all the antagonist characters. Almost all the Romans were sadistic brutes, with yellow teeth. I don't buy it.
Maybe it was symbolism, but it detracted from my experience because I would rather see something that I can believe was actually the way it was in the time of Christ, which leads to my next point.
The single thing that contributed most to this film is the language that was spoken. I really like this aspect of it . As a child I was forced to go to Mass every morning before school, 1st through 12th grade. The Mass was spoken in Latin, and the nuns and priests who educated me taught me the language in school (or as much as I could absorb ). I enjoyed recognising some of the words spoken, ie: "veritas" which meant "truth" in those times. That is the root of our modern word "veracity", which means having the quality of truth.
Its worth seeing...
-
Originally posted by Yeager
The people most angered and speaking out against the story of this film are those that have thought themselves into a very uninspiring form of non-belief, or should I say -believe that they are simply animals with no chance at a lasting spirit.
What a drag it must be to think of oneself as simply an animal with a spirit that dies forever with the body.
Have at it, your fate is gauranteed :aok
wow yeager your full of pride and quite boastfull. Isnt that sin? You seem very vindictive as well, almost excited that our souls are not saved and yours is. Not quite the christian you make yourself out ot be.
Maybe you should follow Jesus's teachings and lead by example of being a good person instead of proclaiming how your soul is saved and everyone else's is not.
-
If you find yourself without guide in life, just ask yourself:
What Would Ron Jeremy Do?
Daniel
-
wow yeager your full of pride and quite boastfull. Isnt that sin? You seem very vindictive as well, almost excited that our souls are not saved and yours is. Not quite the christian you make yourself out ot be.
Maybe you should follow Jesus's teachings and lead by example of being a good person instead of proclaiming how your soul is saved and everyone else's is not.
====
Just trying to make you think. At first I thought it worked......
-
No just pointing out your own personality flaws after you threw that first stone.
-
Its alright frog. I forgive you.
-
This is some really unreal reading on this BBS. :rolleyes:
-
They should put a disclaimer in the film like : " No jews were or will be harmed during the filming of this motion picture" To kill the whole pre and post debate . I might see it this weekend.
-
As much as it interests me to see a guy beaten and nailed to a cross, I think I'll go see Club Dread tomorrow instead.
-
Saw The Passion. Spaghetti Western meets/meats Braveheart. Too much gore, too little perspective. Many people die horrible deaths. Few offer a way of life. Even fewer involve resurrection.
The story of Jesus should be 30% before his death, 10% his crucifixion, and 60% afterward. The Passion is 10% before, 85% scourging and crucifixion, and 5% afterward.
2 of 5 stars -- wait till it comes to TV, and respect its R rating by putting the kids at the other end of the house and showing them Jesus Christ Superstar.
-
I didn't read practically anything in this thread. I just wanted to point out a simple fact.
This is a story that has already been done. Anyone read the Bible?
Then why the flap now?
Society should be neutered, then tortured, then murdered, and then finally the whole world should be blown up just to be sure that it won't spread any further.
Human, you have angered me.
-
Originally posted by Drunky
Society should be neutered, then tortured, then murdered, and then finally the whole world should be blown up just to be sure that it won't spread any further.
To hell with Jebus, I now worship Drunky. I have a well groomed sheep to sacrifice to you, my savior.
-
Originally posted by SOB
To hell with Jebus, I now worship Drunky. I have a well groomed sheep to sacrifice to you, my savior.
You are still gay, SOB.
But as your savior I love and forgive you.
XOXOXO
-
I never signed up for no love and forgiveness hoopty doo. This religion sucks, you're out ... I'm going to just worship the sun now.
-
You were my last hope for humanity SOB. How sad.
I am now forced to eliminate humankind.
Now choose the form of your destroyer.
............................. ............................. .
The choice has been made.
Wait, we didn't choose anything. Ray, did you think of anything?
Well, I tried to think of the most innoculous thing from my childhood.
Ray...What did you think of?
I thought of Mr. Black!!!
Suffer humanity...you deserve your fate